Problem (reason for some uncertainty): The unfortunate part about pinpointing a more targeted assessment is that up until this year is that he had every thing working against him (bottom tier coaching, blocking and weaponry).
Still, I think we can all agree his current and projected play lies somewhere between 14th and 22nd in the league. In other words, whether you are bullish or bearish on him, you probable realize he is in the neighborhood of average or more specifically, a tough, likable player without elite tools (arm strength, accuracy).
That brings us to the key question: what do we do at the QB position?
Let's say we want to replace him in 2023. The options are extremely limited:
Via FA:
Lamar Jackson will be signed or tagged, so not an option.
Then there is a precipitous drop off to:
Geno Smith, having a terrific season but unlikely he doesn't re-up with Seattle.
A host of subpar starters or primary back-ups with a caliber equal to or lesser than Tyrod Taylor and certainly below Jones.
Via Draft:
Let's kill the idea of CJ Stroud or Bryce Young because they won't fall to us.
Anthony Richardson and Will Levis look the part physically but I am not high on either as far as feel for the position. You could probably include Bo Nix in this group.
One interesting name is Hendon Hooker, who will fall in the draft due to a recent ACL tear and the fact that he is an older prospect.
Would you be inclined to franchise Jones for a year and draft Hooker as the heir apparent?
If you do not believe in Jones as the long term guy, what is your exit/replacement plan?
Agree to disagree on that. I like him a lot, especially in this NYG offense.
Good point.
Sign either Jimmy G/Jones/Geno (who is the best price)
Roll with Tyrod (Cheap option)
Put together some trade to move way up in the draft for Stroud, or someone they are sold on (this is really risky since we have other holes to fill)
I'm not sure what the likelihood of the Lions cutting Goff is after this season, but if they did that then I'd like to see him picked up by JS as the bridge
I don’t think Jones would want to re-sign here, given the current o-line and receiver situation.
If the value is right (not likely), the bridge could be Daniel Jones. I think the OP nailed it - likable, hard working, closer to the bottom 10 than the top 10.
I think it’s more likely they sign a ‘bridge’ guy (Trubisky, Dalton, Winston, etc) at lower cost OR they try to trade up in this draft. More likely to me they go for the QB in the ‘24 draft. I think for the money someone will pay DJ, the Giants will get someone else at better value that’s somewhat comparable. The rebuild takes a small step back in year two to leap forward in year three.
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I think the Giants give DJ a 3 year offer and draft a QB in ‘23 but ore likely ‘24, but he gets a better offer elsewhere.
I don’t think Jones would want to re-sign here, given the current o-line and receiver situation.
You think he will have an option to sign with a solid team as their starter? Let's be honest. There is no team built to win now that is signing Jones as the final piece to the puzzle.
If he is a starter in the NFL next year it is on a team that is rebuilding (and I include the Giants in that).
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I think the Giants give DJ a 3 year offer and draft a QB in ‘23 but ore likely ‘24, but he gets a better offer elsewhere.
I don’t think Jones would want to re-sign here, given the current o-line and receiver situation.
Totally disagree. I think if the NYG want him, he should reciprocate that interest. This is the first coaching staff that has done anything for him in terms of proper use of his skill set.
As far as OL, NYG has an elite LT, likely above average RT and seems committed and capable to building a good OL. The fact that they couldn't fix all of Gettleman's errors in one off season shouldn't be held against them by DJ.
Re: WRs, see prior point. With few resources this past off-season e.g. FA $, they were hard-pressed to fix every hole in the roster.
If the value is right (not likely), the bridge could be Daniel Jones. I think the OP nailed it - likable, hard working, closer to the bottom 10 than the top 10.
I think it’s more likely they sign a ‘bridge’ guy (Trubisky, Dalton, Winston, etc) at lower cost OR they try to trade up in this draft. More likely to me they go for the QB in the ‘24 draft. I think for the money someone will pay DJ, the Giants will get someone else at better value that’s somewhat comparable. The rebuild takes a small step back in year two to leap forward in year three.
I think they just roll with Tyrod then, if the choice is Trubisky/Dalton/Winston.
They weren't ready to commit $23mm to him for 2023 (reasonable, if not advisable).
Buffalo traded up to 7. Allen wasn't 'their guy', he was 1 of the 2 left when their pick came up. They were obviously ok with any of 3 QBs. They got lucky.
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Why we didn’t sign on for an option on DJ next year. Thx
They weren't ready to commit $23mm to him for 2023 (reasonable, if not advisable).
I also think they wanted a season to see him "up close" before committing one way or the other. Until you work with a guy you really don't know (unless he's a superstar of course)
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Will go with a ‘bridge’ QB until they can draft ‘their guy’.
If the value is right (not likely), the bridge could be Daniel Jones. I think the OP nailed it - likable, hard working, closer to the bottom 10 than the top 10.
I think it’s more likely they sign a ‘bridge’ guy (Trubisky, Dalton, Winston, etc) at lower cost OR they try to trade up in this draft. More likely to me they go for the QB in the ‘24 draft. I think for the money someone will pay DJ, the Giants will get someone else at better value that’s somewhat comparable. The rebuild takes a small step back in year two to leap forward in year three.
I think they just roll with Tyrod then, if the choice is Trubisky/Dalton/Winston.
You need two….I think they get another vet on the cheap, even if TT starts.
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Why we didn’t sign on for an option on DJ next year. Thx
They weren't ready to commit $23mm to him for 2023 (reasonable, if not advisable).
Good chance that's going to bite the Giants in the ass if they're left holding the QB bag.
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look at what they did in Buffalo, I think our FO is willing to do whatever they need to in order to get their guy in the draft, if they think he is there (a la Josh Allen). A lot of it hinges on how and where they value the upcoming class.
Buffalo traded up to 7. Allen wasn't 'their guy', he was 1 of the 2 left when their pick came up. They were obviously ok with any of 3 QBs. They got lucky.
They had no chance to get one of the other two QBs, they definitely traded up for Allen specifically
right because it was such an easy call to make...cmon dude. We really need to go over this again?
That’s a very reasonable cost for a decent NFL QB.
With Jones’ pending free agency, we’ve been talking a lot about the absence of a mid tier QB market. Goff and the Lions are an exception.
Look at whats happened to Hurts who is surrounded by 2 WR1, a great tight end, a great running game and a great offensive line. Do you think he benefited? Its made All the difference in the world.
How about what has happened to Rodgers and others?
That decision is looking horrible as time goes on.
Without making a list of the QBs, Jones is better than bottom 1/3.
I think only the strongest Jones supporters would claim he’s top 10.
I think many of Jones detractors would reluctantly agree Jones is not bottom 1/3.
So Jones is arguably 11th through 23rd.
11th doesn’t deserve 5 years with $100M+ guaranteed
23rd is probably too good to lose without getting any compensation
An incentive laden two to three year deal at a fair amount less than the single year franchise tag per year is a Giants friendly deal.
Jones is likely to get a better deal than the above on the open market.
How this plays out will be very, very interesting.
Regardless of the outcome, large numbers of BBI heads will explode.
i just don't see Jones and his camp being happy with that, unless he's tagged
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and the Giants will leave the QB door wide open while looking for an upgrade.
i just don't see Jones and his camp being happy with that, unless he's tagged
I don’t see him coming back to this dysfunction unless he’s tagged. If they do extend him a contract, I would take it that the 2022 season was a clear act of sabotage in order to reduce his value and sign him long term.
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Why we didn’t sign on for an option on DJ next year. Thx
That decision is looking horrible as time goes on.
No it's not. You're manufacturing fear and drama here. Jones will get what he gets paid and NY will spend additional money all over the roster. Relax.
New regimes don't just walk in and drop money bombs on bubble QBs they didn't draft. IT was the pragmatic move to make. And they haven't even paid him any money yet so who knows what happens. MAybe they are glad they didn't lock him up in 23.
Look at whats happened to Hurts who is surrounded by 2 WR1, a great tight end, a great running game and a great offensive line. Do you think he benefited? Its made All the difference in the world.
How about what has happened to Rodgers and others?
Enough with this stuff already. You don't run out and spend resources to try and make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. You spend resources when it is apparent when you have top-notch silk that will look even better with some shiny doo-dads.
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and the Giants will leave the QB door wide open while looking for an upgrade.
i just don't see Jones and his camp being happy with that, unless he's tagged
I don’t see him coming back to this dysfunction unless he’s tagged. If they do extend him a contract, I would take it that the 2022 season was a clear act of sabotage in order to reduce his value and sign him long term.
Lol right...stop thinking so much.
That's some crazy shit right there.
And QBs sign up where they get paid and where they can succeed. Jones won't be crying himself to sleep if he's earning millions in this same system next season with better talent around him simply because the Giants drafted a QB in one of the first 2 rounds. HE will deal with it and do his job.
This happened once though, so I wouldnt say it’s a blueprint, just a possibility. Trading up for Allen was very much, right player right time. And what it took to get Allen isn’t what it will take to get into the top 5 from where we will be picking. We’d need someone we really like besides the top 2 prospects.
1997 new regime--They came in saying all the right things about Brown. They tried. He failed. They moved on a year later rather swiftly. Why? Because Brown was BAD. Not pretty good or pretty bad, simply BAD.
There is no FA upgrade over Jones unless u want to trade for Rodgers. There might be a draft pick but we likely can't move up or get him without dumping a ton of capital to do so. MAybe they can. MAybe they do. But they won't know until April. Jones will be here if I had to bet.
If you do not believe in Jones as the long term guy, what is your exit/replacement plan?
If you do not believe in Jones as the long term guy, what is your exit/replacement plan?
Anybody with a higher ceiling, even if they have a lower floor.
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If you do not believe in Jones as the long term guy, what is your exit/replacement plan?
Anybody with a higher ceiling, even if they have a lower floor.
Maybe they can get Zach Wilson for cheap.
That's some crazy shit right there.
And QBs sign up where they get paid and where they can succeed. Jones won't be crying himself to sleep if he's earning millions in this same system next season with better talent around him simply because the Giants drafted a QB in one of the first 2 rounds. HE will deal with it and do his job.
It's more likely DJ goes to a team that isn't actively looking for his replacement at the same time. Oh and they'll probably overpay too.
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If you do not believe in Jones as the long term guy, what is your exit/replacement plan?
Anybody with a higher ceiling, even if they have a lower floor.
Well, that's unspecific and unhelpful.
and we don't offer that and he goes.Be about 36 months before we get better qb play than what he is offering now. Either way I don't think he's here next year. Schoen should have paid the 20 for next year when he had the chance. Move on if you like, but he's worth 20 for a year whether you get a QB in the draft or not. I'd probably pick a QB, and if he develops he does, if he doesn't he don't. I dont think it would be a first rd and he certainly shouldn't force a pick.
Either way it would have bought a year to figure out who comes next, instead of having to force a pick.
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If you do not believe in Jones as the long term guy, what is your exit/replacement plan?
Anybody with a higher ceiling, even if they have a lower floor.
Well, that's unspecific and unhelpful.
No, it's a perfectly sensible action plan. Draft a QB in the first 3 rounds. Mostly, they will have higher ceilings with a chance of a lower floor. And you don't have to be a sarcastic douche. You asked for responses. I took the time to answer you. Talk about an agenda.
Sign either Jimmy G/Jones/Geno (who is the best price)
Roll with Tyrod (Cheap option)
Put together some trade to move way up in the draft for Stroud, or someone they are sold on (this is really risky since we have other holes to fill)
Of that list, I think jones is the best. You'd pick the cheapest? Is that really better?