Eli Manning one is of the best QB's ever to play for the NYG's. He possessed all the tools needed to be an excellent QB. His ability to ALWAYS be available made him invaluable. Eli deserves every bit of credit for those two Superbowl runs and SBMVP's. Those are his legacy to the Giants organization and to us as fans. It is not debatable that Eli was the NY Giants Franchise QB and the face of the organization.
But Eli was not a great QB in the mold of guys like Aaron Rodgers from a statistical perspective. It's not even close.
Win/Loss: Eli 118-118; Aaron 146-77-1
Comp %: Eli 60.3; Aaron 65.3
Yds/gm: Eli 241.1; Aaron 257.6
TD's: Eli 366; Aaron 471
INT's: Eli 244; Aaron 102
fum lost: Eli 56; Aaron 39
Career QB rtg: Eli 84.1; Aaron 103.8
Playoff gms: Eli 12; Aaron 22
Playoff QB rtg: Eli 87.4; Aaron 100.1
I guess I am posting this because I am hearing too many references comparing Jones to Eli. "Jones will never be Eli", etc. I think we forgot how many bad games Eli had. How he averaged over 1 interception per game over his career. His pathetic 2008 playoff game against Philly with 2 interceptions and a rating of 40.7. His career record of 118-118. For much of his career, Eli was a healthy, but very average QB.
Jones is probably is not going to be Eli. But until Eli won a Superbowl, he was Peyton's less talented brother. And I am pretty sure we don't want to put Eli's and Peyton's stats side by side either or any of the other perceived top QB's of his generation.
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Seriously! Why?
If I had a vagina I'd be a lesbian?
If Judge didn't hit 61 HR would he be a good player?
If Parcells didn't win 3 SB's would he be a good coach?
I hate this "lets take away all the good things" arguments.
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This is such a ridiculous thread.
No. Eli isn't Aaron Rodgers or TB12 or Mahomes.
But no, DJ isn't even in Eli's stratosphere.
i think the point being lost on people is eli at this point in year 4 wasn't on eli's stratosphere. anyone who says they weren't worried about him after the Sharper game, the Redskin loss at home, and the Buffalo game where they only attempted like 1 pass in the second half and "backed into the playoffs" ahead of the NE game in week 17 2007 is a liar.
yes, some may spin themselves up with tales of him leading teams to the playoffs but i was at the philly game and the 3 int carolina shutout. those appearances was not a feather in anyone's cap at the time.
eli's arc is in no way predictive of jones but it is a good example of how much can change quickly in the nfl. eli was a punchline even through that sb win (worst qb to win a sb, etc).
Eli was a punchline to who? Dumbass Giant fans like you and the OP?
The reality is, fans of other teams do not think that highly of him. I worked with many people from all over the US, and aside from a few Patriots fans begrudgingly admitting Eli outplayed Brady in those Super Bowls, no one I ever met thought Eli was anything more than mediocre. It sort of surprised me.
That said, please stop comparing him to Eli, Rodgers, Russel Wilson, etc etc etc.
And that’s coming from a poster who believes you might be able to win with Jones.
I think this is where we are at. You can’t compare the 2, without extrapolating some stats. Like another poster mentioned. The fact is Eli is a legend and true fans, who know what it Mens to be a GIANTS fan are, like a kid at Christmas, wishing for DJ to get his Christmas gift and ours of comparable players and coaching.
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This is such a ridiculous thread.
No. Eli isn't Aaron Rodgers or TB12 or Mahomes.
But no, DJ isn't even in Eli's stratosphere.
i think the point being lost on people is eli at this point in year 4 wasn't on eli's stratosphere. anyone who says they weren't worried about him after the Sharper game, the Redskin loss at home, and the Buffalo game where they only attempted like 1 pass in the second half and "backed into the playoffs" ahead of the NE game in week 17 2007 is a liar.
yes, some may spin themselves up with tales of him leading teams to the playoffs but i was at the philly game and the 3 int carolina shutout. those appearances was not a feather in anyone's cap at the time.
eli's arc is in no way predictive of jones but it is a good example of how much can change quickly in the nfl. eli was a punchline even through that sb win (worst qb to win a sb, etc).
Man, we have some dumb fans.
I’m not saying Jones is or ever will be Eli, but like Eli he’s not a big stats guy. People on this board (some people) get absolutely enamored with these flashy stats. Like Herbert for example, hasn’t won shit through almost three years now and he has wonderful arm talent, etc.
Bottom line, you don’t have to have the best QB in the league to win a SB. You need a solid D, a run game, good blocking, and a QB that can manage a game with the best of them, read defenses, and make the plays when it’s needed most.
I’m not saying Jones is or ever will be Eli, but like Eli he’s not a big stats guy. People on this board (some people) get absolutely enamored with these flashy stats. Like Herbert for example, hasn’t won shit through almost three years now and he has wonderful arm talent, etc.
Bottom line, you don’t have to have the best QB in the league to win a SB. You need a solid D, a run game, good blocking, and a QB that can manage a game with the best of them, read defenses, and make the plays when it’s needed most.
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And we’ve got people comparing him to Eli. We’ll see what Schoen & Daboll ultimately think.
Heinicke has a number of physical limitations that should preclude him from being an NFL starter.
But this 4th down player against NYG on Sunday was an incredible off-script play. Those types of plays, I believe, are what QBs need to have in their arsenal to succeed in the NFL. Anyone think Jones makes this play?
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Personally, I think he dispelled any notions about his shortcomings as a QB in the 2014 and 2015 seasons. These were the two seasons McAdoo was the OC and they ran a variation of the WCO. He had his 2 finest seasons. 2016 and 2017 with McAdoo as the HC we did not run the same offense. But, those other two seasons Eli showed what kind of QB he could have been if the Giants weren't running a crazy offense for years. And why were they able to run it? Because he was about the smartest QB in the league.
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This is such a ridiculous thread.
No. Eli isn't Aaron Rodgers or TB12 or Mahomes.
But no, DJ isn't even in Eli's stratosphere.
i think the point being lost on people is eli at this point in year 4 wasn't on eli's stratosphere. anyone who says they weren't worried about him after the Sharper game, the Redskin loss at home, and the Buffalo game where they only attempted like 1 pass in the second half and "backed into the playoffs" ahead of the NE game in week 17 2007 is a liar.
yes, some may spin themselves up with tales of him leading teams to the playoffs but i was at the philly game and the 3 int carolina shutout. those appearances was not a feather in anyone's cap at the time.
eli's arc is in no way predictive of jones but it is a good example of how much can change quickly in the nfl. eli was a punchline even through that sb win (worst qb to win a sb, etc).
Eli was a punchline to who? Dumbass Giant fans like you and the OP?
you're right, eli's career was all sunshine and rainbows.
This from year 4 week 12 didn't happen:
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2007/11/25/giants-crushed-by-vikings-as-manning-hands-the-vikings-28-points/
Manning threw four interceptions, three of which were returned for touchdowns. Another interception gave the Vikings the ball on the Giants’ 8-yard line and the Vikings scored on the very next play. In effect, Manning handed the Vikings 28 points. All of this against the League’s worst pass defense.
and this from just a few weeks later in week 16 ahead of the first SB run certainly didn't happen.
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I really don’t know what to think anymore about Eli Manning. I’ve long been an advocate of his and I haven’t given up on him yet. I do believe that his struggles are very much a result of the offensive scheme employed by the coaching staff. I do believe that for various other (obvious) reasons he is scrutinized much more than he should be. And I still believe that statistics can be very misleading and are, especially in Manning’s case. However, the fumbles this year are very troublesome.
He threw two picks against Buffalo. Both of them, I believe were on comeback routes to Burress and Toomer and one or both of them may or may not have been on the receiver. I’m tired of making excuses though for the interceptions. Maybe I’m just frustrated because we haven’t seen Manning look like anything remotely close to a very good quarterback for a full 60 minutes since week one.
He’s thrown some beautiful passes this year. Shoot, Steve Smith dropped a beautiful pass that could have been a TD. Manning had heat in his face and couldn’t even step all the way into the throw. But it’s hard though to highlight what he’s done and does well, when he has had this propensity for turning the ball over at the most inopportune times.
Throughout the year, we’ve rarely seen the Manning 3rd and 15 interception on a 50-yard bomb that we as fans could say: “well he was taking a shot and it was as good a punt.”
Maybe it just seems this way, but I feel that every time Manning has turned the ball over this year (and let me stress that I still maintain that a lot of the interceptions have not been his fault) it has literally sucked the life out of the team and fans. You don’t fumble the ball in the redzone. You don’t lose the ball when you’re cocking your arm to throw. That’s the kind of stuff you see at your kid’s Pop Warner game. Your kid’s hands are a lot smaller than Manning’s.
Granted the weather the last two weeks has been brutal, but come on kid get your act together.
on a second read all that just screams "HOF QB about to go on a magical SB run".
(none of this is a shot at Eric - he captured what was a plain reality at the time and was more measured than most in doing so - they've all just got selective amnesia)
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This is such a ridiculous thread.
No. Eli isn't Aaron Rodgers or TB12 or Mahomes.
But no, DJ isn't even in Eli's stratosphere.
i think the point being lost on people is eli at this point in year 4 wasn't on eli's stratosphere. anyone who says they weren't worried about him after the Sharper game, the Redskin loss at home, and the Buffalo game where they only attempted like 1 pass in the second half and "backed into the playoffs" ahead of the NE game in week 17 2007 is a liar.
yes, some may spin themselves up with tales of him leading teams to the playoffs but i was at the philly game and the 3 int carolina shutout. those appearances was not a feather in anyone's cap at the time.
eli's arc is in no way predictive of jones but it is a good example of how much can change quickly in the nfl. eli was a punchline even through that sb win (worst qb to win a sb, etc).
Eli was a punchline to who? Dumbass Giant fans like you and the OP?
you're right, eli's career was all sunshine and rainbows.
This from year 4 week 12 didn't happen:
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2007/11/25/giants-crushed-by-vikings-as-manning-hands-the-vikings-28-points/
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It doesn’t get much worse for a quarterback than this. Eli Manning all but handed the Vikings the game today as the Giants were blown out 41-17 by the Minnesota Vikings at the Meadowlands. The Giants fell to 7-4 while the Vikings improved to 5-6.
Manning threw four interceptions, three of which were returned for touchdowns. Another interception gave the Vikings the ball on the Giants’ 8-yard line and the Vikings scored on the very next play. In effect, Manning handed the Vikings 28 points. All of this against the League’s worst pass defense.
and this from just a few weeks later in week 16 ahead of the first SB run certainly didn't happen.
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The Giants won this game in spite of a lot of things. The major one being: Eli Manning.
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I really don’t know what to think anymore about Eli Manning. I’ve long been an advocate of his and I haven’t given up on him yet. I do believe that his struggles are very much a result of the offensive scheme employed by the coaching staff. I do believe that for various other (obvious) reasons he is scrutinized much more than he should be. And I still believe that statistics can be very misleading and are, especially in Manning’s case. However, the fumbles this year are very troublesome.
He threw two picks against Buffalo. Both of them, I believe were on comeback routes to Burress and Toomer and one or both of them may or may not have been on the receiver. I’m tired of making excuses though for the interceptions. Maybe I’m just frustrated because we haven’t seen Manning look like anything remotely close to a very good quarterback for a full 60 minutes since week one.
He’s thrown some beautiful passes this year. Shoot, Steve Smith dropped a beautiful pass that could have been a TD. Manning had heat in his face and couldn’t even step all the way into the throw. But it’s hard though to highlight what he’s done and does well, when he has had this propensity for turning the ball over at the most inopportune times.
Throughout the year, we’ve rarely seen the Manning 3rd and 15 interception on a 50-yard bomb that we as fans could say: “well he was taking a shot and it was as good a punt.”
Maybe it just seems this way, but I feel that every time Manning has turned the ball over this year (and let me stress that I still maintain that a lot of the interceptions have not been his fault) it has literally sucked the life out of the team and fans. You don’t fumble the ball in the redzone. You don’t lose the ball when you’re cocking your arm to throw. That’s the kind of stuff you see at your kid’s Pop Warner game. Your kid’s hands are a lot smaller than Manning’s.
Granted the weather the last two weeks has been brutal, but come on kid get your act together.
on a second read all that just screams "HOF QB about to go on a magical SB run".
(none of this is a shot at Eric - he captured what was a plain reality at the time and was more measured than most in doing so - they've all just got selective amnesia) Game Review: New York Giants at Buffalo Bills, December 23, 2007 - ( New Window )
Jones is more the opposite. He's had some good games, with a mostly bad career, thus far.
Jones is more the opposite. He's had some good games, with a mostly bad career, thus far.
I consider eli a HOF QB so I don't think we disagree on that.
i was agreeing with what i think the premise of the thread is that people have memory holed the fact that through 4 years Eli was not a HOF QB - even just weeks ahead of what turned out to be his first SB run.
none of that has any relation to Jones. but it should be a cautionary tale that the nfl is unpredictable. who in a million years would have thought geno smith would be leading the seahawks to the playoffs while sb winning possible HOFer russell wilson is a joke?
end of the day you are what your record is and this year jones' record is a winning one and he's taken steps forward in almost every statistic. what if he unexpectedly beats philly this week? or has a big game in washington effectively punching the ticket to the playoffs? or wins a playoff game?
On the one hand you have a guy or guys if you will, who coming out had HOF coaches in the case of Phil Simms play on in a different era of the league ; have HOF coaches try and recruit them in the case of Bill Walsh or were consensus #1 picks or were rumored to be better than their brother while in college. They come out and have struggled at times. Like all QBs have done; Joe Montana Tom Brady Peyton Manning. All had disaster games at some point in their careers. Both Brady and Montana benched at some point.
So from their you stretch that argument to say that some other guy now who was a 0 star recruit, who had one coach in 3 -- who is a 3x fired coach and out of the NFL -- beleived in this guy. Who scouts ewre saying isn't even a day one pick. So you take these arguments now and say "hey those guys did it , so Jones should be able to do it too". Right. Lets extend him for 10s of millions of dollars. He can do it if there are others who can lift him up. Too bad a. I thoughts what they did when they traded up for K toney and signed Golliday. Neither look like they want to play here gee I wonder why? But but but Eli had Shockey and Tiki. Too bad he played better withput them.
But looking back on it now -- despite Eli's bad games and lack of consistency ; there was always reason to believe that one day he could go toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers, Bret Favre and Brady and look like the better QB. He was supposed to be that good. It was only a matter of time.
Oh, I see what you're doing here. Now let's compare the QBR stat. Everyone here knows you can use statistics to make them say anything you want. It is the classic half-empty/half-full perspective.
To me it's all about the intangibles that Eli possessed and that's where this debate should end. Stop with the different players, oline, coaches, different passing rules and the increase in global warming. Yes, I created a new stat just for the hell of it. It's just an inappropriate comparison but given this thread BBI is sure going to try as hard as it can because we have nothing else to do until the game on Sunday and then we can resume this ridiculous comparison.
Why don't we look at Eli and Daniel's success against the Eagles? Just kidding
Eli is the best Giants QB ever and won us 2 SBs
That being said, I saw Eli and Jones play at the same time in 2019 and Jones was the better QB.
Don't know what the point of comparing them now is going to do...Eli is doing fine on MNF and Jones is doing fine as NYG qb
Compare him to Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, etc.
Compare him to Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, etc.
You sound new to bbi. He's compared to them constantly. Every day.
It is not putting down Eli to prop up Jones. Eli won two Super Bowls and both were with last minute drives for the win. One was against one of the greatest teams in NFL history(you could argue that Justin Tuck was the actual MVP). If you win two Super Bowls, you should be HoF. The last 6 years he had terrible teams(save 2016) that dragged his record down.
That said, was there any QB worse at running a screen than Eli? He was just plain awful on the required little touch pass required. On top of that Eli was a turnover machine.
Jones is not in Eli's league. But that does not mean that you cannot show the differences in supporting cast(Oline and WRs). You cannot deny what Jones has to work with when Sy'56 tells us weekly that the WRs are JV and the interior oline is awful.
But to understand why they ran that offense you have to understand the who the HC was. TC's main objective in restoring the franchise and winning a SB was "controlling the LOS". That was his words and Welly said it was "music to his ears" when asked about it after his opening presser. Think Welly liked getting abused in the Giants/Ravens SB? Ozzie Newsome was the very first hire at Cleveland. That Raven team remind anyone of someone from the 80's?
Like some and I said; Eli has some warts. Sometimes too many.
The goal was not to build Eli's stats. The goal was to win championships and they built teams accordingly.
What happens to a lot of those pass heavy teams lacking the physicality in the running game come playoff time? They meet its kryptonite and can't handle those elite fronts. Those type of D's also seem to have good secondary's with usually a elite player present. Look at last years SB for the most recent example.
So the vision for a TC team was not only to have one of those type of D's it was also to have a offense that could handle one. Both those SB's show this. Look at the box score and you will see the clear difference in teams. Parcell's 80's teams did the same thing. They beat offenses that that were the best of the year and the Giants O had a big hand in it. Play count and TOP have a big impact on games and the Giants offense could play this game.
If you want a idea what Eli's stats would have looked like I would consider 2011 as a guide. That was the only year he had a upper tier WR group with one elite option. To Matt M's point about 14/15 about Eli's production it was less about the WCO and more about OBJ and a improved OL imv. I do agree the WCO does run a offense emphasizing shorter passes YAC with completion percentage a high percentage as opposed to a deeper big strike approach of the TC/Gilbride offense. Really the 2013-17 time was about something much deeper. It was about destroying the physicality on the OL/front 7 imv. 2011 had the QB and skill group to navigate this and the D actually rose to the occasion by the Dallas game and through the playoffs. That OL outside SF managed to do the same. By 2013 the OL bottomed out and that was one half of the destruction. The other side joined them in 2014. The 2008-2014 drafts tell why it happened that did not get much better in the years after. Nicks 2012 injury had a very big impact on the offense. After TB he was never the same.
Last points of Eli's first 4 years. Two of them were with the old D back rules. The NFCE was a much better division and for 2004-06 the HC's were Parcells, Gibbs, TC, Reid/Johnson. Then Phillips took over that 2007 team that Parcells built.
Jones is not Eli's equal imv. Jones has never had a OL nor a 2011 group of skill guys like Eli had either. It's not about the comparison to Eli. It's what his potential could have been with either type of team. We still don't know this imv.
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Jones has yet to be there once. He was top 10 in TDS 10 times. Top 10 in passing yards 7 times. I wouldn’t rank Cousins, Dalton, or Palmer over Eli at any point in their respective careers.
Oh, I see what you're doing here. Now let's compare the QBR stat. Everyone here knows you can use statistics to make them say anything you want. It is the classic half-empty/half-full perspective.
To me it's all about the intangibles that Eli possessed and that's where this debate should end. Stop with the different players, oline, coaches, different passing rules and the increase in global warming. Yes, I created a new stat just for the hell of it. It's just an inappropriate comparison but given this thread BBI is sure going to try as hard as it can because we have nothing else to do until the game on Sunday and then we can resume this ridiculous comparison.
Why don't we look at Eli and Daniel's success against the Eagles? Just kidding
What are you even saying
none of that takes away from what Eli ended up accomplishing, it just shows that wasn't easily predictable even several years into his career. none of that predicts future success for jones either - nobody can predict how this season will end any more than nobody would have predicted how it started.
if statistical similarity is all that matters, which no doubt would likely be the position his agent takes right now, here are a range of jones to peers comps for you from this season. some of these guys have also had bad supporting casts this year due to injury, but even with that i think it's hard to argue any has been significantly worse than jones'. i left out the comps on either extreme that aren't relevant, we all know he's not burrow/mahomes/allen or mac jones/zach wilson/baker.
none of that takes away from what Eli ended up accomplishing, it just shows that wasn't easily predictable even several years into his career. none of that predicts future success for jones either - nobody can predict how this season will end any more than nobody would have predicted how it started.
if statistical similarity is all that matters, which no doubt would likely be the position his agent takes right now, here are a range of jones to peers comps for you from this season. some of these guys have also had bad supporting casts this year due to injury, but even with that i think it's hard to argue any has been significantly worse than jones'. i left out the comps on either extreme that aren't relevant, we all know he's not burrow/mahomes/allen or mac jones/zach wilson/baker.
That’s a great post, Eric. Thank you.
Looking the Hurts and Jones comparison the YPA stands out.
I look at it saying would Brown catch that ball that Slayton dropped? Jones YPA certainly would see quite a bump as that was a plus 50 pass.
Still, this does not change my feeling that I am very neutral on Jones and cost is my biggest worry in addition to finding a better option in the draft. But he really has not had a very good environment either.
Eli threw for for 4,299 yards and 21 TDs in 2018. Odell missed the final four games, including a 3 TD effort by Eli where he threw TDs to such stars as Russell Shepard and Bennie Fowler.
Giants put up 23.1 PPG that year.
The 2017 Giants had Eli throwing for more yards and touchdowns than Jones will this year and Eli played in 15 games with Jones' projected 17.
And also it was clear Eli was a shell of himself both years.
That was Eli's most impressive season, especially considering his teammates, coaches and dysfunctional org.
Looking the Hurts and Jones comparison the YPA stands out.
I look at it saying would Brown catch that ball that Slayton dropped? Jones YPA certainly would see quite a bump as that was a plus 50 pass.
Still, this does not change my feeling that I am very neutral on Jones and cost is my biggest worry in addition to finding a better option in the draft. But he really has not had a very good environment either.
jmo but there's a lot of misunderstanding re "cost" and the economics of the QB position.
31m next year is likely be somewhere between the 12-16th highest QB cap hit. it also doesn't stop them from picking a QB in draft if they like one. or trading up for one like the niners did with Lance.
tyrod is not a viable starting option so unless Jones' play dramatically falls off where it is now i just don't see a better option. next year's FA class sucks (on the whole, not just qbs) and they have a ton of room so 1 year deals at higher AAVs dont bother me bc they carry no long term risk.
Looking the Hurts and Jones comparison the YPA stands out.
I look at it saying would Brown catch that ball that Slayton dropped? Jones YPA certainly would see quite a bump as that was a plus 50 pass.
is there a more talented thrower in football than Herbert? Nope.
but is he less able to make big plays without his top weapons and less time from a weaker OL? of course.
Tua and Hurts (as you mentioned) are 2 obvious other examples of positive improvement thanks to their new more explosive WRs improving their Y/A because they are hitting bigger plays. It's pretty obvious to me that y/a is more of an offense stat than an individual QB stat. Unless we think Geno Smith now deserves the HOF plaque that used to be earmarked for Russell Wilson.
that's a great point they should definitely try to get the next burrow. mahomes too for that matter.
Even a guy like PM. You look at his in season to playoff stats. Quite a difference and why I went into the Giants type of team they built under TC and why. Behind all those poorer stats for PM I imagine it was part PM but suspect that "stretch run" was operating all so hot either. Playoff football. Then the SB loss against Seattle. Denver met its kryptonite. Big time D strikes again against pass happy teams.
Eli was one of the most clutch quarterbacks when it mattered - all time. BTW, in his last playoff appearance he totally turned back the clock. It was the boat trip WR group who couldn't catch a cold in Lambeau.
Aaron Rodgers can't get it done during the postseason. Blames everyone else but himself. Maybe he's part of the problem?
It is true Giants fans were largely against Simms and Manning and then they turned it around. I want Jones to succeed here but we'll see.
Hard to fathom why this forum is addicted to discussing Jones. Win or lose there's a new Jones thread. Its like discussing politics now.
tyrod is not a viable starting option so unless Jones' play dramatically falls off where it is now i just don't see a better option. next year's FA class sucks (on the whole, not just qbs) and they have a ton of room so 1 year deals at higher AAVs dont bother me bc they carry no long term risk.
It's not my lead idea but starting Taylor as a bridge/mentor to a rookie QB would make a lot of sense cost wise. Taylor could play part of '23 and then gave the rookie QB live action in the second half. And then in 2024, the rookie could take over.
Thus, instead of tagging Jones with a $30M+ one year hit, use the money to upgrade other facets of the team.
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tyrod is not a viable starting option so unless Jones' play dramatically falls off where it is now i just don't see a better option. next year's FA class sucks (on the whole, not just qbs) and they have a ton of room so 1 year deals at higher AAVs dont bother me bc they carry no long term risk.
It's not my lead idea but starting Taylor as a bridge/mentor to a rookie QB would make a lot of sense cost wise. Taylor could play part of '23 and then gave the rookie QB live action in the second half. And then in 2024, the rookie could take over.
Thus, instead of tagging Jones with a $30M+ one year hit, use the money to upgrade other facets of the team.
Tyrod has played 21 games since 2017 and i believe entered at least 3 of those years as a starter before getting hurt within a few games - as happened in less than a quarter of the 1 game he entered this year.
If Tyrod is your starter you don't have a starter. He's barely durable enough to be considered a reliable backup.
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It's not my lead idea but starting Taylor as a bridge/mentor to a rookie QB would make a lot of sense cost wise. Taylor could play part of '23 and then gave the rookie QB live action in the second half. And then in 2024, the rookie could take over.
Thus, instead of tagging Jones with a $30M+ one year hit, use the money to upgrade other facets of the team.
Tyrod has played 21 games since 2017 and i believe entered at least 3 of those years as a starter before getting hurt within a few games - as happened in less than a quarter of the 1 game he entered this year.
If Tyrod is your starter you don't have a starter. He's barely durable enough to be considered a reliable backup.
I'm okay with Taylor just being the seat-warmer until the rookie is ready for live fire. Pittsburgh has modeled this out with Trubisky and Pickett. And if Taylor does get hurt than the rookie has to gear up and play earlier. That's life in the big leagues.
Hell, I'd be okay with starting a rookie QB game 1 and dealing with the inevitable pain points.
Let's not forget Dan Marino was also a stat machine and didn't win jack.
Eli had a nice combination of game management, low risk ball with explosively crazy bouts of high risk.
Some of these big air attack offenses are totally failing now.
Giants have never had a big Air Attack except for Kerry Collins, who was a ton of fun to watch when he was ON