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The Perfect Daniel Jones Replacement For 2023

GMen72 : 12/8/2022 4:48 am
For all the DJ fanclub members who don't seem to think DJ is easily replaceable, let me introduce you to Jacobe Brissett, who will be a free agent at the end of the year, and is currently playing for $4.85 million.

Jacobe Brissett stats:
PY/G = 217.2
RY/G = 19.8
TY/G = 237
Total TD/G = 1.17
Passing TD = 12
Rushing TD = 2
Air Y/A = 4.5 (15th)

Daniel Jones stats:
PY/G = 197.1
RY/G = 43.5
TY/G = 240.6
Total TD/G = 1.25
Passing TD = 11
Rushing TD = 4
Air Y/A = 3.8 (35th)

As you can tell, their stats are almost completely identical. Brissett's numbers are slightly skewed because Deshaun Watson played most of the Browns' last game, but both have played in 12 games.

DJ will be a free agent, and according to some, will command $25 (average QBs) - $45.4 (2023 franchise tag) million, and possibly need to be signed to a longterm deal. Why overpay for mediocrity when Jacoby Brissett has played for $5 million, or less, for the last 2 years (both 1 year deals)?

I think even the biggest DJ fans will agree...$5 million seems a lot smarter than $25-45 million, for an average QB, doesn't it? Discuss...
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RE: Don’t need a QB replacement  
Producer : 12/8/2022 10:21 am : link
In comment 15937997 5BowlsSoon said:
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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.

Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.

Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.

Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..

Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).

In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.


You can't be serious. The KC unit is so good they had to acquire our sloppy seconds to beef it up. And you unironically mention Toney as an example of how good their unit is.

If we had JJS on this team, there would be a contingent on BBI trying to run him out of town. He's not great.

Mahomes and Allen would be perceived as stars on any team. If you can't admit that their talent would be apparent wherever they played, you're probably so dug in on Jones that you are beyond reason. Jones is not in their zip code, talent-wise.
Should be a rule  
PetesHereNow : 12/8/2022 10:24 am : link
If you can’t spell a player’s first name or last name, you can’t suggest him as a perfect signing.

Jacobe instead of Jacoby.
RE: Don’t need a QB replacement  
Blue The Dog : 12/8/2022 10:25 am : link
In comment 15937997 5BowlsSoon said:
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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.

Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.

Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.

Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..

Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).

In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.


Fine, who? What WR? Whenever people suggest that we need to move on from DJ, people ask who exactly he could be replaced with that is better next year (which isn't even the right question to ask). But now I will ask you what stud WR? Sure, they could draft someone, but are you getting a Jefferson or Agholar. And is this rookie going to be a stud from day 1? And if not through the draft, what about the FA WRs? Is the only thing standing between Jones and elite passing stats Jakobi Meyers, or Mecole Hardman? Please name the guy that is going to come in next year, light it up, and turn Jones into the franchise QB you think he is.
RE: RE: Don’t need a QB replacement  
rsjem1979 : 12/8/2022 10:31 am : link
In comment 15938138 Producer said:
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If we had JJS on this team, there would be a contingent on BBI trying to run him out of town. He's not great.


The people who think JuJu is some great WR haven't watched football in 4 years, and definitely missed the year when Roethlisberger was out and the Steelers had a couple of bozos playing QB.

They would hate him by Week 3 next year for not transforming Danny into the star he's destined to become.
Also  
Blue The Dog : 12/8/2022 10:32 am : link
The Giants tried to do the whole bring in WRs to fix Jones thing. They brought in a very high priced WR, and first round pick. Of course these guys didn't work out, but the point is, many of you act as if finding a long term upgrade at QB is impossible, but its a guarantee that you can just go out and get a guaranteed stud WR whenever you want
RE: RE: Don’t need a QB replacement  
DefenseWins : 12/8/2022 10:33 am : link
In comment 15938138 Producer said:
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In comment 15937997 5BowlsSoon said:


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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.

Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.

Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.

Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..

Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).

In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.



You can't be serious. The KC unit is so good they had to acquire our sloppy seconds to beef it up. And you unironically mention Toney as an example of how good their unit is.

If we had JJS on this team, there would be a contingent on BBI trying to run him out of town. He's not great.

Mahomes and Allen would be perceived as stars on any team. If you can't admit that their talent would be apparent wherever they played, you're probably so dug in on Jones that you are beyond reason. Jones is not in their zip code, talent-wise.


They key to Kansas City's offence is Andy Reid and Kelce....not the WRs.
RE: Seems...  
Sean : 12/8/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15938105 Brown_Hornet said:
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...that the greatest thing that could keep DJ off of the roster in 2023 is cost.

His play has been meh, but he still has little to work with.

This is it. It’s always been this to me.
RE: RE: RE: Don’t need a QB replacement  
Producer : 12/8/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15938155 DefenseWins said:
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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.

Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.

Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.

Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..

Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).

In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.



You can't be serious. The KC unit is so good they had to acquire our sloppy seconds to beef it up. And you unironically mention Toney as an example of how good their unit is.

If we had JJS on this team, there would be a contingent on BBI trying to run him out of town. He's not great.

Mahomes and Allen would be perceived as stars on any team. If you can't admit that their talent would be apparent wherever they played, you're probably so dug in on Jones that you are beyond reason. Jones is not in their zip code, talent-wise.



They key to Kansas City's offence is Andy Reid and Kelce....not the WRs.


Cmom. Mahomes is more critical than Kelce and as important as Reid. Don't you think?
RE: RE: RE: Don’t need a QB replacement  
ZoneXDOA : 12/8/2022 10:41 am : link
In comment 15938155 DefenseWins said:
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In comment 15938138 Producer said:


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In comment 15937997 5BowlsSoon said:


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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.

Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.

Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.

Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..

Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).

In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.



You can't be serious. The KC unit is so good they had to acquire our sloppy seconds to beef it up. And you unironically mention Toney as an example of how good their unit is.

If we had JJS on this team, there would be a contingent on BBI trying to run him out of town. He's not great.

Mahomes and Allen would be perceived as stars on any team. If you can't admit that their talent would be apparent wherever they played, you're probably so dug in on Jones that you are beyond reason. Jones is not in their zip code, talent-wise.



They key to Kansas City's offence is Andy Reid and Kelce....not the WRs.
this is flat out incorrect. A poor receiving corps would allow defenses to blitz more and double Kelce and that’s difficult for anyone to coach around. Just ask Dabs!
RE: Also  
ZoneXDOA : 12/8/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15938152 Blue The Dog said:
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The Giants tried to do the whole bring in WRs to fix Jones thing. They brought in a very high priced WR, and first round pick. Of course these guys didn't work out, but the point is, many of you act as if finding a long term upgrade at QB is impossible, but its a guarantee that you can just go out and get a guaranteed stud WR whenever you want
Obviously it’s not EASY. It’s EASIER, though, to find better receivers than it is to find a franchise QB.
RE: RE: Don’t need a QB replacement  
ZoneXDOA : 12/8/2022 10:54 am : link
In comment 15938145 Blue The Dog said:
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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.

Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.

Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.

Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..

Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).

In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.



Fine, who? What WR? Whenever people suggest that we need to move on from DJ, people ask who exactly he could be replaced with that is better next year (which isn't even the right question to ask). But now I will ask you what stud WR? Sure, they could draft someone, but are you getting a Jefferson or Agholar. And is this rookie going to be a stud from day 1? And if not through the draft, what about the FA WRs? Is the only thing standing between Jones and elite passing stats Jakobi Meyers, or Mecole Hardman? Please name the guy that is going to come in next year, light it up, and turn Jones into the franchise QB you think he is.
Easy. St. Brown or Pringle from the Bears. Draft. Hodgins will be a producer for us. If Wan’Dale is able to stay healthy he was looking great. Trade for Lazard, Sutton, Reynolds, Palmer… So many options that would be an upgrade to our current situation. Remember, we don’t need Megatron (though that would be nice) we just need guys that will catch whatever hits their hands. our guys have been dropping way too many passes at critical times.
RE: RE: Also  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2022 10:55 am : link
In comment 15938179 ZoneXDOA said:
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The Giants tried to do the whole bring in WRs to fix Jones thing. They brought in a very high priced WR, and first round pick. Of course these guys didn't work out, but the point is, many of you act as if finding a long term upgrade at QB is impossible, but its a guarantee that you can just go out and get a guaranteed stud WR whenever you want

Obviously it’s not EASY. It’s EASIER, though, to find better receivers than it is to find a franchise QB.

I don't think that's true. It's just easier to squeeze some sort of utility out of a WR bust than it is with a QB bust. You can use a WR situationally, but you can't really do that with a QB. So it doesn't feel like as big of a setback when a WR busts, but it happens fairly frequently.

Just look at the Giants' WR draftees from day 1-2 over the past 15 years:

2022: Wan'Dale Robinson (TBD)
2021: Kadarius Toney (bust for NYG)
2016: Sterling Shepard (good player, big injury issues, meh value)
2014: Odell Beckham, Jr. (success)
2012: Reuben Randle (mixed results, generally considered a miss)
2011: Jerrel Jernigan (bust)
2009: Hakeem Nicks (success)
2008: Mario Manningham (success)

That looks like a 38% success rate with a couple of other choices in there that provided adequate value but would absolutely not be considered WR1 caliber players. Even among the successful picks, I'd only count OBJ and Nicks as WRs who we would consider a passing-game centerpiece if that's the goal.
Statistical illiteracy  
adamg : 12/8/2022 11:00 am : link



Take a guess...

Rushes, yards, TDs, 1st downs, long, apc, ypg, apg


47 238 2 26 22 5.1 19.8 3.9

91 522 4 42 24 5.7 43.5 7.6



Sounds as good as a guy  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/8/2022 11:04 am : link
who threw for over 6300 yards, 60%+, and 43 TD/25 INT.

Hint He evolved a long neck to eat vegetation from tree top levels in the savannahs.
Daniel Jones has a lower ceiling than Patrick....  
MOOPS : 12/8/2022 11:22 am : link
Mahomes and Josh Allen? Really? Who'da thunk?

Who's on board for just using the Cleveland Browns business model.



Just keep bringing them in. The draft, FA, UDFA, arena league, Europe. One of them is bound to work out. Eventually. Right????

RE: Daniel Jones has a lower ceiling than Patrick....  
rsjem1979 : 12/8/2022 11:26 am : link
In comment 15938264 MOOPS said:
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Mahomes and Josh Allen? Really? Who'da thunk?

Who's on board for just using the Cleveland Browns business model.



Just keep bringing them in. The draft, FA, UDFA, arena league, Europe. One of them is bound to work out. Eventually. Right????


Which one of those guys should the Browns have kept as I presume you're inferring the Giants should do with Jones?
RE: RE: Daniel Jones has a lower ceiling than Patrick....  
rsjem1979 : 12/8/2022 11:26 am : link
In comment 15938271 rsjem1979 said:
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Mahomes and Josh Allen? Really? Who'da thunk?

Who's on board for just using the Cleveland Browns business model.



Just keep bringing them in. The draft, FA, UDFA, arena league, Europe. One of them is bound to work out. Eventually. Right????




Which one of those guys should the Browns have kept as I presume you're inferring the Giants should do with Jones?


Implying, not inferring.
I don't imply, nor do I infer.  
MOOPS : 12/8/2022 11:34 am : link
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The important similarity between Taylor and Brissett…  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/8/2022 11:49 am : link
… is that they are both journeyman “bridge” QBs. Even if that’s where the similarity ends, it’s enough reason not to add Brissett to a team that already has Taylor under contract to fill that role if they move on from Daniel Jones.
RE: Statistical illiteracy  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2022 11:51 am : link
In comment 15938210 adamg said:
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Take a guess...

Rushes, yards, TDs, 1st downs, long, apc, ypg, apg


47 238 2 26 22 5.1 19.8 3.9

91 522 4 42 24 5.7 43.5 7.6



The word you're looking for is "innumeracy."
I suggested this on another thread.  
81_Great_Dane : 12/8/2022 12:12 pm : link
Brisette makes some sense if the Giants move on from DJ, even if there's no young guy being groomed to take over in a year or two. He's a competent starting QB. I don't think he's what Daboll and Schoen want, but he's a solid pro.

If the Giants were to get an Anthony Richardson, who is clearly not ready to play in the NFL, then Brisette works as a bridge.
Richardson in the 20s  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/8/2022 12:35 pm : link
would not be a bad get. A bit of of project of course, but what else can you hope for with a middling pick.
I changed my mind  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/8/2022 12:36 pm : link
lets just avoid UF players. Ewww.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Don’t need a QB replacement  
DefenseWins : 12/8/2022 12:49 pm : link
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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.

Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.

Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.

Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..

Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).

In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.



You can't be serious. The KC unit is so good they had to acquire our sloppy seconds to beef it up. And you unironically mention Toney as an example of how good their unit is.

If we had JJS on this team, there would be a contingent on BBI trying to run him out of town. He's not great.

Mahomes and Allen would be perceived as stars on any team. If you can't admit that their talent would be apparent wherever they played, you're probably so dug in on Jones that you are beyond reason. Jones is not in their zip code, talent-wise.



They key to Kansas City's offence is Andy Reid and Kelce....not the WRs.



Cmom. Mahomes is more critical than Kelce and as important as Reid. Don't you think?


Mahommes is a given... it was a comparison vs the WRs. Even with the WRs, Kelce and Reid... Mahommes could not get the job done when his OL was shit.
It's either Jones, Tyrod or a young guy  
BigBlue7 : 12/8/2022 12:58 pm : link
I don't see them bringing in another old vet.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't know if you know this  
GMen72 : 12/8/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15938114 ZoneXDOA said:
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See how this works? There is lots of stupid things you can want and propose. They are just not going to happen.



Exactly... I have yet to see a viable replacement option for Jones so far.

Jones is going to get paid because too many teams have QBs that are worse than Jones.

NOBODY has come up with anything other than "go into the season with Tyrod as the starter". If the Giants do that, they are just admitting to the fan base that they are giving up on the season. The only way Tyrod is going to be consistently successful as our QB is if we have a dominant OL and we are gaining 5+ yards on the ground.



The fact that you overrate Jones doesn’t mean the replacements suggested aren’t viable.

the point he’s making is that we will likely have to pay closer to what DJ will make if we decide to go for JB. Just because he’s making a little over 4mil now doesn’t mean that’s all he’ll cost in free agency. Just because you underrate DJ, doesn’t mean he should be replaced by a guy who won 5 games with more talent around him and potentially save very little against the cap in the process.


Nobody is going to pay Jacobe Brissett big money this offseason. He's a average QB, and has always been an average QB, just like Daniel Jones. The thread was started to show just how average DJ is and how stupid it would be to pay him anything more than a backup salary.

The Giants aren't winning games because of Daniel Jones. Since Saquon went downhill and has no longer carried the offense, the Giants are 0-3-1.

Do I want Jacobe Brissett next year? No!...but I'd damn sure take him over paying DJ 5 times what JB will command.
RE: RE: Don’t need a QB replacement  
GMen72 : 12/8/2022 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15938138 Producer said:
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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.

Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.

Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.

Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..

Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).

In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.



You can't be serious. The KC unit is so good they had to acquire our sloppy seconds to beef it up. And you unironically mention Toney as an example of how good their unit is.

If we had JJS on this team, there would be a contingent on BBI trying to run him out of town. He's not great.

Mahomes and Allen would be perceived as stars on any team. If you can't admit that their talent would be apparent wherever they played, you're probably so dug in on Jones that you are beyond reason. Jones is not in their zip code, talent-wise.


Exactly, there's not a bigtime FA WR that is going to want to play with a QB that is limited to a dink and dunk, run heavy offense...unless the Giants severely overpay him (Golladay). Hell, with DJ, a WR is more likely to want to quit (Toney and Golladay) than even become a serviceable option in the offense.
RE: Should be a rule  
GMen72 : 12/8/2022 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15938143 PetesHereNow said:
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If you can’t spell a player’s first name or last name, you can’t suggest him as a perfect signing.

Jacobe instead of Jacoby.


I don't want Jacoby, Jacobe, or Daniel. They're all average, at best!
RE: RE: RE: Also  
GMen72 : 12/8/2022 1:28 pm : link
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The Giants tried to do the whole bring in WRs to fix Jones thing. They brought in a very high priced WR, and first round pick. Of course these guys didn't work out, but the point is, many of you act as if finding a long term upgrade at QB is impossible, but its a guarantee that you can just go out and get a guaranteed stud WR whenever you want

Obviously it’s not EASY. It’s EASIER, though, to find better receivers than it is to find a franchise QB.


I don't think that's true. It's just easier to squeeze some sort of utility out of a WR bust than it is with a QB bust. You can use a WR situationally, but you can't really do that with a QB. So it doesn't feel like as big of a setback when a WR busts, but it happens fairly frequently.

Just look at the Giants' WR draftees from day 1-2 over the past 15 years:

2022: Wan'Dale Robinson (TBD)
2021: Kadarius Toney (bust for NYG)
2016: Sterling Shepard (good player, big injury issues, meh value)
2014: Odell Beckham, Jr. (success)
2012: Reuben Randle (mixed results, generally considered a miss)
2011: Jerrel Jernigan (bust)
2009: Hakeem Nicks (success)
2008: Mario Manningham (success)

That looks like a 38% success rate with a couple of other choices in there that provided adequate value but would absolutely not be considered WR1 caliber players. Even among the successful picks, I'd only count OBJ and Nicks as WRs who we would consider a passing-game centerpiece if that's the goal.


That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.
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Walker Gillette : 12/8/2022 1:50 pm : link
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The Giants tried to do the whole bring in WRs to fix Jones thing. They brought in a very high priced WR, and first round pick. Of course these guys didn't work out, but the point is, many of you act as if finding a long term upgrade at QB is impossible, but its a guarantee that you can just go out and get a guaranteed stud WR whenever you want

Obviously it’s not EASY. It’s EASIER, though, to find better receivers than it is to find a franchise QB.


I don't think that's true. It's just easier to squeeze some sort of utility out of a WR bust than it is with a QB bust. You can use a WR situationally, but you can't really do that with a QB. So it doesn't feel like as big of a setback when a WR busts, but it happens fairly frequently.

Just look at the Giants' WR draftees from day 1-2 over the past 15 years:

2022: Wan'Dale Robinson (TBD)
2021: Kadarius Toney (bust for NYG)
2016: Sterling Shepard (good player, big injury issues, meh value)
2014: Odell Beckham, Jr. (success)
2012: Reuben Randle (mixed results, generally considered a miss)
2011: Jerrel Jernigan (bust)
2009: Hakeem Nicks (success)
2008: Mario Manningham (success)

That looks like a 38% success rate with a couple of other choices in there that provided adequate value but would absolutely not be considered WR1 caliber players. Even among the successful picks, I'd only count OBJ and Nicks as WRs who we would consider a passing-game centerpiece if that's the goal.



That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.


Very interesting, please tell us all about this.
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Atari2600 : 12/8/2022 1:54 pm : link
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The Giants tried to do the whole bring in WRs to fix Jones thing. They brought in a very high priced WR, and first round pick. Of course these guys didn't work out, but the point is, many of you act as if finding a long term upgrade at QB is impossible, but its a guarantee that you can just go out and get a guaranteed stud WR whenever you want

Obviously it’s not EASY. It’s EASIER, though, to find better receivers than it is to find a franchise QB.


I don't think that's true. It's just easier to squeeze some sort of utility out of a WR bust than it is with a QB bust. You can use a WR situationally, but you can't really do that with a QB. So it doesn't feel like as big of a setback when a WR busts, but it happens fairly frequently.

Just look at the Giants' WR draftees from day 1-2 over the past 15 years:

2022: Wan'Dale Robinson (TBD)
2021: Kadarius Toney (bust for NYG)
2016: Sterling Shepard (good player, big injury issues, meh value)
2014: Odell Beckham, Jr. (success)
2012: Reuben Randle (mixed results, generally considered a miss)
2011: Jerrel Jernigan (bust)
2009: Hakeem Nicks (success)
2008: Mario Manningham (success)

That looks like a 38% success rate with a couple of other choices in there that provided adequate value but would absolutely not be considered WR1 caliber players. Even among the successful picks, I'd only count OBJ and Nicks as WRs who we would consider a passing-game centerpiece if that's the goal.



That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.


Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching "
We can lose just fine  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/8/2022 2:00 pm : link
with Toney sitting on the bench as can a HOF coach and HOF QB.
This is  
Photoguy : 12/8/2022 3:18 pm : link
getting ridiculous. How about we wait to see what happens in the off season.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/8/2022 3:46 pm : link
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That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.



Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching "


These might be the two stupidest posts I’ve ever read on BBI. Congratulations idiots.
RE: Statistical illiteracy  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/8/2022 3:53 pm : link
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Take a guess...

Rushes, yards, TDs, 1st downs, long, apc, ypg, apg


47 238 2 26 22 5.1 19.8 3.9

91 522 4 42 24 5.7 43.5 7.6




I get your point here. The underlying one is that one team has a OL that imposes its will creating a running game. The other needs its QB, creativity and a OL that is very hit or miss in execution to chip in. PB between the two goes from very good for one to spotty at best for the other.

Certainly all this impacts the passing stats not even factoring in the difference in skill guys.
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GMen72 : 12/8/2022 4:21 pm : link
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That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.



Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching "



These might be the two stupidest posts I’ve ever read on BBI. Congratulations idiots.


Stupid is saying the Giants have a 38% success rate with new WRs, while not even mentioning Golladay, and mentioning DJ when he's had success with none of his receivers.
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2022 4:46 pm : link
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That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.



Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching "



These might be the two stupidest posts I’ve ever read on BBI. Congratulations idiots.



Stupid is saying the Giants have a 38% success rate with new WRs, while not even mentioning Golladay, and mentioning DJ when he's had success with none of his receivers.

I’m stupid for mentioning the Giants’ WR draft picks over the past 15 years?

Are you daft? Or just want to make sure that both sides of the DJ debate know that you’re a fucking idiot?
You can feel it coming...  
Jerry in_DC : 12/8/2022 4:58 pm : link
...its going to be another 2 years before we know what we have with Jones.

This week we broke the seal on the Sabatoge Theory. Who's going to be 1st on the 6 year evaluation period?
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GMen72 : 12/8/2022 5:03 pm : link
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That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.



Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching "



These might be the two stupidest posts I’ve ever read on BBI. Congratulations idiots.



Stupid is saying the Giants have a 38% success rate with new WRs, while not even mentioning Golladay, and mentioning DJ when he's had success with none of his receivers.


I’m stupid for mentioning the Giants’ WR draft picks over the past 15 years?

Are you daft? Or just want to make sure that both sides of the DJ debate know that you’re a fucking idiot?


Not stupid for the info but daft for the way it was presented. Better?

Trying to lump Eli's success in with DJs lack of success, was silly. Eli made receivers better, DJ doesn't...and it would've been better to mention who the QB was when a WR was successful/unsuccessful.

I'll bet that when DJ is gone, and we have a better QB, WRs will have more success as Giants. Right now, WRs get the blame for being average when it's not all them.
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2022 5:19 pm : link
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That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.



Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching "



These might be the two stupidest posts I’ve ever read on BBI. Congratulations idiots.



Stupid is saying the Giants have a 38% success rate with new WRs, while not even mentioning Golladay, and mentioning DJ when he's had success with none of his receivers.


I’m stupid for mentioning the Giants’ WR draft picks over the past 15 years?

Are you daft? Or just want to make sure that both sides of the DJ debate know that you’re a fucking idiot?



Not stupid for the info but daft for the way it was presented. Better?

Trying to lump Eli's success in with DJs lack of success, was silly. Eli made receivers better, DJ doesn't...and it would've been better to mention who the QB was when a WR was successful/unsuccessful.

I'll bet that when DJ is gone, and we have a better QB, WRs will have more success as Giants. Right now, WRs get the blame for being average when it's not all them.

It’s baffling to me that you missed the point of my post (hint: it wasn’t defending DJ).

You’re an imbecile and a troll, as evidenced by your repeated use of the exclusive franchise tag to go along with this very clear indication that you might not even know how to read.
I find this an interesting idea  
Matt M. : 12/8/2022 5:24 pm : link
You could have him and Taylor for about $10M total. Do I think either is better than Jones? Absolutely not. But, I also don't think the dropoff is huge ans they are both a Hell of a lot cheaper than Jones would be.

I don't think he's worth any if the possible tag values. I don't think he's worth $20M. He is still a guy that has to prove himself. There is no telling how the roster will look next year. Do you really want to spend top half of the league money to a guy still filled with question marks and really a middle of the pack QB?

I don't. If he would sign for less than $15M, but loaded with incentives, I'd be all for it. If you perform like a #6 pick, you get paid. He'll, even throw in escalators to add more guaranteed money or more salary for future years if certain incentives are hit in the first year. I've said for months, they need to get very creative with him and he also has to be willing to listen.
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GMen72 : 12/8/2022 5:26 pm : link
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That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.



Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching "



These might be the two stupidest posts I’ve ever read on BBI. Congratulations idiots.



Stupid is saying the Giants have a 38% success rate with new WRs, while not even mentioning Golladay, and mentioning DJ when he's had success with none of his receivers.


I’m stupid for mentioning the Giants’ WR draft picks over the past 15 years?

Are you daft? Or just want to make sure that both sides of the DJ debate know that you’re a fucking idiot?



Not stupid for the info but daft for the way it was presented. Better?

Trying to lump Eli's success in with DJs lack of success, was silly. Eli made receivers better, DJ doesn't...and it would've been better to mention who the QB was when a WR was successful/unsuccessful.

I'll bet that when DJ is gone, and we have a better QB, WRs will have more success as Giants. Right now, WRs get the blame for being average when it's not all them.


It’s baffling to me that you missed the point of my post (hint: it wasn’t defending DJ).

You’re an imbecile and a troll, as evidenced by your repeated use of the exclusive franchise tag to go along with this very clear indication that you might not even know how to read.


Mentioning the tag was to give a range of the POSSIBLE salaries mentioned by many on this board...and to point out that Brissett is a much cheaper option. Try to follow along...it's not all about you, kiddo!
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joeinpa : 12/8/2022 6:50 pm : link
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That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.



Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching "



These might be the two stupidest posts I’ve ever read on BBI. Congratulations idiots.



Stupid is saying the Giants have a 38% success rate with new WRs, while not even mentioning Golladay, and mentioning DJ when he's had success with none of his receivers.


I’m stupid for mentioning the Giants’ WR draft picks over the past 15 years?

Are you daft? Or just want to make sure that both sides of the DJ debate know that you’re a fucking idiot?



Not stupid for the info but daft for the way it was presented. Better?

Trying to lump Eli's success in with DJs lack of success, was silly. Eli made receivers better, DJ doesn't...and it would've been better to mention who the QB was when a WR was successful/unsuccessful.

I'll bet that when DJ is gone, and we have a better QB, WRs will have more success as Giants. Right now, WRs get the blame for being average when it's not all them.


A very good case could be made that the offensive line s inability to protect the passer makes the Giants receivers less effective.

However, even homers like Paul Dottino seem to believe the Giants receiving unit is well below NFL standards, not sure what you see to suggest they are not
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Ron Johnson : 12/8/2022 9:35 pm : link
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That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY.



Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching "



These might be the two stupidest posts I’ve ever read on BBI. Congratulations idiots.



Stupid is saying the Giants have a 38% success rate with new WRs, while not even mentioning Golladay, and mentioning DJ when he's had success with none of his receivers.


I’m stupid for mentioning the Giants’ WR draft picks over the past 15 years?

Are you daft? Or just want to make sure that both sides of the DJ debate know that you’re a fucking idiot?



Not stupid for the info but daft for the way it was presented. Better?

Trying to lump Eli's success in with DJs lack of success, was silly. Eli made receivers better, DJ doesn't...and it would've been better to mention who the QB was when a WR was successful/unsuccessful.

I'll bet that when DJ is gone, and we have a better QB, WRs will have more success as Giants. Right now, WRs get the blame for being average when it's not all them.


We’d love to be able to blame them for being average.
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ZoneXDOA : 12/8/2022 11:23 pm : link
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To see where Brissette ends up next year. Because it won’t be with the Giants unless he’s replacing Tyrod as DJ’s backup! If the coaches didn’t believe in DJ, Tyrod would be starting.


DJ is a free agent. He's not under contract for 2023.

How much are you paying him and for how long?

I’m not paying him anything! LOL! That 100% up to Schoen and them. I’d be fine with whatever they decide is best for the team. If I were JS, I’d be getting that franchise tag warmed up.


Would it be fair to say that you would let Barkley walk in order to keep DJ?

That's a likely outcome if you use the tag on DJ without an extension in place for Barkley already.
it is very fair. I love Barkley. But Brightwell and Breida are capable of replacing his production. I think it’s harder to find a good QB and get him up to speed in your offense than it is to get or promote a back. Barkley is the superior talent but the smart money is on Jones. I think they find a way to keep both, though.
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Ivan15 : 12/9/2022 8:38 am : link
That looks like a 38% success rate with a couple of other choices in there that provided adequate value but would absolutely not be considered WR1 caliber players. Even among the successful picks, I'd only count OBJ and Nicks as WRs who we would consider a passing-game centerpiece if that's the goal. ____________________________

That success rate is all Eli. The success rate with Daniel Jones is 0%. He's actually made a high priced FA and a 1st round pick want to leave NY. ____________________________________

Seriously where would you put Slayton in this mix? One of the last of Eli's games he threw 2 TDs to Slayton in like 1 of 2 games he played that year. Mike GLennon of all things had his best game with Toney as a Giant I believe. And I don't remember Evan Engram causing a bunch of interceptions for Eli Manning and he certainly did not when Geno Smith started one game here. Jones is like the reverse Midas Touch. It would be fuinny to hear to Jones apologists if Tyreek Hill came here and looked like an aloof avg. player. "oh it's the lines fault or the play calling stinks or the coaching " [/quote] ————————————————————

I never thought of it this way. In 4 seasons, DJ has not made any player better so maybe the decision is “who do you want as your bridge QB and how much do you want to pay?”
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/9/2022 10:29 am : link
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We’d love to be able to blame them for being average.


Keep in mind that the person you’re responding to is the same numbskull who thinks Kenny Golladay is just being held back by Daniel Jones. Even Kenny Golladay’s parents don’t believe that ridiculousness. Kenny Golladay simply isn’t good anymore. It happens sometimes. Look at Allen Robinson… no one actually believes that Matt Stafford and Sean McVay are failing him, right? He’s been awful. As for guys like David Sills, Rickie James, and Marcus Johnson, they aren’t “average receivers”. They’re the dregs of NFL rosters.

Pat Mahomes and Joe Burrow might be the 2 best QBs in the league. Guess what their franchises don’t ask them to do? Make scrubs better. The Chiefs didn’t say, “We lost Tyreek Hill, so here’s Marcus Johnson.” They brought in proven guys with various levels of success. Look at the targets category for the Bengals. You’ve gotta go pretty far down before you find a no-name bottom of roster guy. The idea that another QB is going to elevate this group of receivers is just fucking nonsense.
I almost want this to happen (sign Brissett)  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/9/2022 10:33 am : link
then all the Jones haters will be defending this guy and the Jones FC will be attacking him in a dramatic role reversal.
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/9/2022 11:03 am : link
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To see where Brissette ends up next year. Because it won’t be with the Giants unless he’s replacing Tyrod as DJ’s backup! If the coaches didn’t believe in DJ, Tyrod would be starting.


DJ is a free agent. He's not under contract for 2023.

How much are you paying him and for how long?

I’m not paying him anything! LOL! That 100% up to Schoen and them. I’d be fine with whatever they decide is best for the team. If I were JS, I’d be getting that franchise tag warmed up.


Would it be fair to say that you would let Barkley walk in order to keep DJ?

That's a likely outcome if you use the tag on DJ without an extension in place for Barkley already.

it is very fair. I love Barkley. But Brightwell and Breida are capable of replacing his production. I think it’s harder to find a good QB and get him up to speed in your offense than it is to get or promote a back. Barkley is the superior talent but the smart money is on Jones. I think they find a way to keep both, though.

We agree that it's harder to find a good QB. That's why I want the Giants to get the process underway ASAP.
RE: I almost want this to happen (sign Brissett)  
rsjem1979 : 12/9/2022 11:08 am : link
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then all the Jones haters will be defending this guy and the Jones FC will be attacking him in a dramatic role reversal.


Difference being, I don't think anybody is going to be acting like Brissett is a longterm answer.
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