For all the DJ fanclub members who don't seem to think DJ is easily replaceable, let me introduce you to Jacobe Brissett, who will be a free agent at the end of the year, and is currently playing for $4.85 million.
Jacobe Brissett stats:
PY/G = 217.2
RY/G = 19.8
TY/G = 237
Total TD/G = 1.17
Passing TD = 12
Rushing TD = 2
Air Y/A = 4.5 (15th)
Daniel Jones stats:
PY/G = 197.1
RY/G = 43.5
TY/G = 240.6
Total TD/G = 1.25
Passing TD = 11
Rushing TD = 4
Air Y/A = 3.8 (35th)
As you can tell, their stats are almost completely identical. Brissett's numbers are slightly skewed because Deshaun Watson played most of the Browns' last game, but both have played in 12 games.
DJ will be a free agent, and according to some, will command $25 (average QBs) - $45.4 (2023 franchise tag) million, and possibly need to be signed to a longterm deal. Why overpay for mediocrity when Jacoby Brissett has played for $5 million, or less, for the last 2 years (both 1 year deals)?
I think even the biggest DJ fans will agree...$5 million seems a lot smarter than $25-45 million, for an average QB, doesn't it? Discuss...
If Brisset is as good as DJ he will also get at least $25MM a year next year. The market will decide.
I would love to get a reasonably good free agent NFL starter, say in the 10 to 20 range for $5MM a year to start for us. I would also love to trade a 2nd round pick for Patrick Mahomes and then renegotiate his contract to $25MM. Also would love to draft the next Eli late in the first round next year and only pay him a rookie contract. See how this works? There is lots of stupid things you can want and propose. They are just not going to happen.
Exactly... I have yet to see a viable replacement option for Jones so far.
Jones is going to get paid because too many teams have QBs that are worse than Jones.
NOBODY has come up with anything other than "go into the season with Tyrod as the starter". If the Giants do that, they are just admitting to the fan base that they are giving up on the season. The only way Tyrod is going to be consistently successful as our QB is if we have a dominant OL and we are gaining 5+ yards on the ground.
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See how this works? There is lots of stupid things you can want and propose. They are just not going to happen.
Exactly... I have yet to see a viable replacement option for Jones so far.
Jones is going to get paid because too many teams have QBs that are worse than Jones.
NOBODY has come up with anything other than "go into the season with Tyrod as the starter". If the Giants do that, they are just admitting to the fan base that they are giving up on the season. The only way Tyrod is going to be consistently successful as our QB is if we have a dominant OL and we are gaining 5+ yards on the ground.
The fact that you overrate Jones doesn’t mean the replacements suggested aren’t viable.
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See how this works? There is lots of stupid things you can want and propose. They are just not going to happen.
Exactly... I have yet to see a viable replacement option for Jones so far.
Jones is going to get paid because too many teams have QBs that are worse than Jones.
NOBODY has come up with anything other than "go into the season with Tyrod as the starter". If the Giants do that, they are just admitting to the fan base that they are giving up on the season. The only way Tyrod is going to be consistently successful as our QB is if we have a dominant OL and we are gaining 5+ yards on the ground.
The fact that you overrate Jones doesn’t mean the replacements suggested aren’t viable.
I do not see where I "rated" him at all in my comment. In fact, I never once on this website said that I am in support of Jones as our long term QB. Not once..
You need to take the emotion out of these decisions and all I am doing is responding to the idea that we can easily replace him with a CHEAPER option that will be just as good. Nobody including the OP has come up with anything. If it is possible, then sign me up.
I thought this was funny and just said that to my wife... not she wont talk to me
Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.
Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.
Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..
Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).
In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
Draft a QB in 2024
DG screwed the Giants by drafting a QB and rb before the rest of the roster was set. He put the cart before the horse.
Too many holes on the roster to pay Jones and Barkley what they will get as free agents.
Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.
Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.
Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..
Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).
In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
It will be easier to bring in playmakers with a cheaper or rookie qb than it will be after paying DJ.
Hurts and Tua are on rookie contracts, as was Allen when Diggs was brought in.
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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.
Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.
Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.
Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..
Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).
In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
It will be easier to bring in playmakers with a cheaper or rookie qb than it will be after paying DJ.
Hurts and Tua are on rookie contracts, as was Allen when Diggs was brought in.
Hence, the draft.
DJ is not getting tagged with the exclusive franchise tag, under any circumstances. The highest tag level that the Giants would use for him would be the non-exclusive franchise tag, which carries an estimated value of $31.5M for 2023.
This has been explained to you repeatedly.
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All you need is to get Jones a stud #1 WR. Use that #1 draft pick for that, if he is out there. Or pick up as a FA.
Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.
Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.
Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..
Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).
In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
It will be easier to bring in playmakers with a cheaper or rookie qb than it will be after paying DJ.
Hurts and Tua are on rookie contracts, as was Allen when Diggs was brought in.
This isn't remotely true.
Were the Saints #1 on their list? They're the team I think he's most likely to end up on
Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.
Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.
Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..
Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).
In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
Speaking of obtuse, did you know that DJ is an unrestricted free agent after this season?
How much are you paying him and for how long?
We need a QB that fires on all cylinders during the game but turns it up a notch when the game is on the line and a drive either for a TD or FG is needed.
That is what separates the top tier from the middlings.
Brisset is not that guy.
Viable replacement should DJ command too much money? Sure.
In a perfect world, I want DJ to re-sign for low-moderate dollars to have another chance to step up and/or as a stop gap til we can draft the next QB.
But, IF DJ is going to cost too much, other stop gap vets are available, if not already on the team. IMO, DJ is not worth medium-upper dollars for another round of prove it.
Going by stats alone, absolutely move on. But, the key is whether DJ is giving Daboll what he wants to see, and that's something none of us can know, so there's no point in dying on a hill for/against DJ.
Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.
Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.
Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..
Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).
In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
Giving a clown Academy Award winners to stage a play does not make the clown an Academy Award winning actor. You give the clown Academy Award winners to stage a play when the clown demonstrates acting ability.
In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
If Mahomes or Allen was the QB, I feel very comfortable that the overwhelming majority of this board would be at the same place:
Those guys are unquestionably immensely talented - because we would be seeing incredible throws, runs and improvisation - and it makes complete sense to build around them.
It's impossible to say that about Jones unless you are experimenting with hallucinogens.
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In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
If Mahomes or Allen was the QB, I feel very comfortable that the overwhelming majority of this board would be at the same place:
Those guys are unquestionably immensely talented - because we would be seeing incredible throws, runs and improvisation - and it makes complete sense to build around them.
It's impossible to say that about Jones unless you are experimenting with hallucinogens.
It's truly astonishing how people aren't able to recognize obvious differences in raw ability.
Patrick Mahomes would not be AS productive if he was on the Giants, but his skills would still be identifiable.
Josh Allen would not be AS productive if he was on the Giants, but his arm talent and mobility would be obvious to everyone on the planet.
Perhaps more significantly, both the Chiefs and Bills would be worse if Jones was their QB.
Daniel Jones has a lower ceiling than either of those two guys, and anybody who watches other NFL games and not just the Giants can see it plainly.
You think Juju and Toney are "GREAT PLAYERS" and you have the nerve to call anyone else obtuse?
4 fourth quarter comebacks vs 0
His play has been meh, but he still has little to work with.
DJ is a free agent. He's not under contract for 2023.
How much are you paying him and for how long?
I can think of only two things Taylor and Brissett have in common. One of them is that they play QB.
The other is the reason why you think they're similar.
Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.
Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.
Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..
Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).
In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
I don't agree with you that Jones is one great WR away from being a franchise QB.
But I really hope that you are right about all this and I am wrong.
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In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
If Mahomes or Allen was the QB, I feel very comfortable that the overwhelming majority of this board would be at the same place:
Those guys are unquestionably immensely talented - because we would be seeing incredible throws, runs and improvisation - and it makes complete sense to build around them.
It's impossible to say that about Jones unless you are experimenting with hallucinogens.
It's truly astonishing how people aren't able to recognize obvious differences in raw ability.
Patrick Mahomes would not be AS productive if he was on the Giants, but his skills would still be identifiable.
Josh Allen would not be AS productive if he was on the Giants, but his arm talent and mobility would be obvious to everyone on the planet.
Perhaps more significantly, both the Chiefs and Bills would be worse if Jones was their QB.
Daniel Jones has a lower ceiling than either of those two guys, and anybody who watches other NFL games and not just the Giants can see it plainly.
Precisely.
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See how this works? There is lots of stupid things you can want and propose. They are just not going to happen.
Exactly... I have yet to see a viable replacement option for Jones so far.
Jones is going to get paid because too many teams have QBs that are worse than Jones.
NOBODY has come up with anything other than "go into the season with Tyrod as the starter". If the Giants do that, they are just admitting to the fan base that they are giving up on the season. The only way Tyrod is going to be consistently successful as our QB is if we have a dominant OL and we are gaining 5+ yards on the ground.
The fact that you overrate Jones doesn’t mean the replacements suggested aren’t viable.
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To see where Brissette ends up next year. Because it won’t be with the Giants unless he’s replacing Tyrod as DJ’s backup! If the coaches didn’t believe in DJ, Tyrod would be starting.
DJ is a free agent. He's not under contract for 2023.
How much are you paying him and for how long?
How did he do with a far superior team ?
Is he a long term solution?
This is not perfect by any means.
Yes you could potentially save money on Brisset but that is not a given. If he is as good as you believe, then his market should be equivalent to Jones. Brisset would likely be looking for a multi year contract. Do you want Brisset as the Giants starting QB for the next few years ? You could place the franchise or transition tag on Jones and get him for one year.
Brisset is not a long term solution at QB so the Giants would have to spend draft capitol on a QB who could develop into the solution.
If the Giants have Brisset you will throw away next year and perhaps the following year.
If Jones is not the QB for the Giants there needs to be a significant upgrade, someone who can be part of the long term solution.
Unfortunately I do not see that QB either as a free agent or as a draft pick.
Brisset is not the perfect to the Giants QB search.
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In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
If Mahomes or Allen was the QB, I feel very comfortable that the overwhelming majority of this board would be at the same place:
Those guys are unquestionably immensely talented - because we would be seeing incredible throws, runs and improvisation - and it makes complete sense to build around them.
It's impossible to say that about Jones unless you are experimenting with hallucinogens.
It's truly astonishing how people aren't able to recognize obvious differences in raw ability.
Patrick Mahomes would not be AS productive if he was on the Giants, but his skills would still be identifiable.
Josh Allen would not be AS productive if he was on the Giants, but his arm talent and mobility would be obvious to everyone on the planet.
Perhaps more significantly, both the Chiefs and Bills would be worse if Jones was their QB.
Daniel Jones has a lower ceiling than either of those two guys, and anybody who watches other NFL games and not just the Giants can see it plainly.
Precisely.
What does that have to do with anything? So we jettison anyone because they're not potential first ballot HOFs? Nobody has ever claimed that DJ is Allen or Mahomes. But there are about 2 or 3 of those guys in a decade. If you're holding out for that, you'll always be disappointed. The question is whether you have a QB you can win with. That's the appropriate debate
Amari Cooper, Donovan Peoples-Jones, David Bell, David Njoku, Kareem Hunt.
Brissett 2 rushing TD, 4 Fumbles
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What does that have to do with anything? So we jettison anyone because they're not potential first ballot HOFs? Nobody has ever claimed that DJ is Allen or Mahomes. But there are about 2 or 3 of those guys in a decade. If you're holding out for that, you'll always be disappointed. The question is whether you have a QB you can win with. That's the appropriate debate
Great, and my answer is no. They cannot win anything of significance with Daniel Jones at QB.
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To see where Brissette ends up next year. Because it won’t be with the Giants unless he’s replacing Tyrod as DJ’s backup! If the coaches didn’t believe in DJ, Tyrod would be starting.
DJ is a free agent. He's not under contract for 2023.
How much are you paying him and for how long?
I’m not paying him anything! LOL! That 100% up to Schoen and them. I’d be fine with whatever they decide is best for the team. If I were JS, I’d be getting that franchise tag warmed up.
Would it be fair to say that you would let Barkley walk in order to keep DJ?
That's a likely outcome if you use the tag on DJ without an extension in place for Barkley already.
Are you guys that obtuse? Don’t you see what a stud #1 WR has done for Tua and Hurts. Compare their last year with this year. Do some homework. In fact, both of those QBs #2 WRs are much better than any WR we have.
Any QB you bring in here won’t be that successful until you get them great playmates. Oh, see Josh Allen too…..Bills knew this….thus, STEFON Diggs brought in. Do you think Josh would be this great without him? Was he before Diggs came aboard? Nope.
Look at KC when they lost Hill. They went out to replace him and again they added a WR better than any we have in JSS, and interestingly, they wanted to give Mahomes more playmates, so they added a #1 pick in Toney hoping he can mature to be another stud. If Mahomes is so great, and he is, couldn’t he make even mush look good? Why get him GREAT PLAYERS? Andy Reid knows what many on our website don’t know or don’t want to know- The surrounding cast is that Important..
Who do we give for Jones to play with- Golladay, James, MJohnson, Sills, and Hodgins (although I really like him to be a solid possession receiver).
In conclusion…this is a much simpler solution as I see it, and I can assure you- if Mahomes or Allen had our WRs, they would not be stars.
You can't be serious. The KC unit is so good they had to acquire our sloppy seconds to beef it up. And you unironically mention Toney as an example of how good their unit is.
If we had JJS on this team, there would be a contingent on BBI trying to run him out of town. He's not great.
Mahomes and Allen would be perceived as stars on any team. If you can't admit that their talent would be apparent wherever they played, you're probably so dug in on Jones that you are beyond reason. Jones is not in their zip code, talent-wise.