First off, its being reported that Judge was offered 10-400 from SD and declined. Judge has always wanted to come back to the Yankees and he proved it. Love that guy.
So where do we go from here? We have a very solid team and will be in contention to represent the AL, but we can get better. Houston took a step back losing Verlander and nobody from the AL East made drastic improvements.
Heres what we look like right now:
C: Trevino
1B: Rizzo
2B: Torres/DJLM
SS: IKF/Volpe/Paraza
3B: Donaldson/DJLM
LF: Cabrera?/Hicks
CF: Bader
RF: Judge
DH: Stanton
Starters: Cole/Cortes/Severino/Montas/German
Biggest Need? LF. Ideally it would be someone who hits at the top of the order. Nimmo, Benintendi, trade?
2nd need- I'd argue it's getting rid of Donaldson and/or Torres. Ideally we trade Torres for a pitcher, but I'm not sure how much value he has. That will open up a spot for DJLM and the young guys.
Additionally, we can really use a closer and starter(pref top end).
I think I'd go hard for Nimmo right now. Not sure of the contract numbers he's looking for, but he fills an offensive and defensive need. Gets on base 40% of the time and can push .300 BA.
I'd like Rodon and Nimmo, but I don't know how realistic that would be. If we are limited, I'm signing Nimmo and then trying to trade Torres for a starter. If that doesn't work, I'd sign a lower end starter with upside for the back of the rotation. Maybe a Syndergaard or someone like that.
This lineup will suffice, IMO:
Nimmo
Judge
Rizzo
Stanton
DJLM
Bader
Donaldson
Volpe/Paraza
Trevino
Lefty bat that gets on base a ton, hits for a pretty good average and doesn't strike out a lot. He has played and can play LF as well as the other OF positions. I think he should be the target.
I think we'd all agree that the Sanchez, Gio trade is one we'd probably take back, let's not be so quick to repeat the error with Torres.
I can't imagine DJLM has the value needed to get us a good starter. You hope that Torres does. I'm doubtful, but hopeful.
in the starting line-up spells doom.
Nimmo would be a fantastic addition. But I would hate to pry him away from the Mets, because while I'm a Yankees first and foremost, I also happen to root for the Mets.
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But I’d rather have Torres than DJ.
I can't imagine DJLM has the value needed to get us a good starter. You hope that Torres does. I'm doubtful, but hopeful.
I guess wanting to keep Torres would be contingent on them signing someone. If they get Rodon I’d rather keep Torres and move DJ for bullpen arms. He’s not available enough.
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But I’d rather have Torres than DJ.
I can't imagine DJLM has the value needed to get us a good starter. You hope that Torres does. I'm doubtful, but hopeful.
I guess wanting to keep Torres would be contingent on them signing someone. If they get Rodon I’d rather keep Torres and move DJ for bullpen arms. He’s not available enough.
Im going off the assumption that the Yankees aren't getting Rodon and Nimmo. If that's the case, I'm going Nimmo and then using the trade market for a pitcher.
Nimmo is a perfect fit for this team, that's all I'm saying.
Donaldson: Struck out in 16 of his last 25 postseason ABs. At his age, 37, not clear what he's going to have for 2023.
DJL: Had a great first half of 2022 after a disappointing 2021. Then the lingering injury and will turn 35 in 2023. Will likely play a significant role this season, but not a piece you want to be placing full reliance on for too much longer.
Peraza/Volpe/Cabrera: Yankees very much want them to succeed, because they will be cheap replacement parts, but all have significant uncertainties. Cabrera's postseason was disappointing (2 for 28), and every young player has to prove himself after the league has scouted him. Volpe's Scranton stats were underwhelming. Peraza showed promise in the regular season and looks like an MLB SS in the field, but jury is still out as to what level of MLB hitter he will be. They will all be given a good look in spring training but roster/trade decisions on veteran players, such as Torres, need to be made before then.
Left field: May be resolved by an offseason move.
Donaldson: Struck out in 16 of his last 25 postseason ABs. At his age, 37, not clear what he's going to have for 2023.
DJL: Had a great first half of 2022 after a disappointing 2021. Then the lingering injury and will turn 35 in 2023. Will likely play a significant role this season, but not a piece you want to be placing full reliance on for too much longer.
Peraza/Volpe/Cabrera: Yankees very much want them to succeed, because they will be cheap replacement parts, but all have significant uncertainties. Cabrera's postseason was disappointing (2 for 28), and every young player has to prove himself after the league has scouted him. Volpe's Scranton stats were underwhelming. Peraza showed promise in the regular season and looks like an MLB SS in the field, but jury is still out as to what level of MLB hitter he will be. They will all be given a good look in spring training but roster/trade decisions on veteran players, such as Torres, need to be made before then.
Left field: May be resolved by an offseason move.
IKF proved we can make the playoffs with a decent glove and 0 at the plate at SS. Peraza is a huge upgrade. Getting rid of Torres for Murphy addresses C and allows DJ to play his best position at 2nd. Volpe can play third with Cabrera penciled in until he's called up.
Murphy has been the prize that teams haven't taken from the AAAs yet.
They need to add some hitters that hit for average and can generate runs when the long balls are not coming. Judge can't be the only player that can.
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I’d also consider trading Torres for a catcher that isn’t a net zero offensively, but not sure there’s many out there
Murphy has been the prize that teams haven't taken from the AAAs yet.
Are they looking to trade him?
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Trevino: Had an extreme hot streak for about three weeks in May-June, batting almost .500 (22 for 48) and hitting 5 home runs. Other than that one stretch, he was a hole in the lineup, batting .212 with an OBP not much better than .250, and little power. He's 30 years old and came into 2022 having appeared in 155 career MLB games, less than one full season. He's not someone you fill in the catcher spot and presume it's taken care of.
Donaldson: Struck out in 16 of his last 25 postseason ABs. At his age, 37, not clear what he's going to have for 2023.
DJL: Had a great first half of 2022 after a disappointing 2021. Then the lingering injury and will turn 35 in 2023. Will likely play a significant role this season, but not a piece you want to be placing full reliance on for too much longer.
Peraza/Volpe/Cabrera: Yankees very much want them to succeed, because they will be cheap replacement parts, but all have significant uncertainties. Cabrera's postseason was disappointing (2 for 28), and every young player has to prove himself after the league has scouted him. Volpe's Scranton stats were underwhelming. Peraza showed promise in the regular season and looks like an MLB SS in the field, but jury is still out as to what level of MLB hitter he will be. They will all be given a good look in spring training but roster/trade decisions on veteran players, such as Torres, need to be made before then.
Left field: May be resolved by an offseason move.
IKF proved we can make the playoffs with a decent glove and 0 at the plate at SS. Peraza is a huge upgrade. Getting rid of Torres for Murphy addresses C and allows DJ to play his best position at 2nd. Volpe can play third with Cabrera penciled in until he's called up.
Nobody knows how DJ is going to recover from his foot injury. From what I’ve seen whatever the injury is it’s rare and there isn’t much track record of treatment/recovery time, etc. Obviously we all hope he comes back 100% but that is not a certainty at this point
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I’d also consider trading Torres for a catcher that isn’t a net zero offensively, but not sure there’s many out there
Murphy has been the prize that teams haven't taken from the AAAs yet.
Are they looking to trade him?
Are they ever not looking to trade someone?
They need to add some hitters that hit for average and can generate runs when the long balls are not coming. Judge can't be the only player that can.
I thought Judge was on the Giants now, though?
IKF proved we can make the playoffs with a decent glove and 0 at the plate at SS. Peraza is a huge upgrade. Getting rid of Torres for Murphy addresses C and allows DJ to play his best position at 2nd. Volpe can play third with Cabrera penciled in until he's called up.
IKF batted twenty points over MLB league average in 2022. The year before, he was 12th in all of MLB in base hits, batting lead-off for Texas. Far from clear that Peraza can perform at that level on a full MLB try. He looked overmatched against high level pitching in his one postseason start. Obviously the Yankees didn't believe he was a huge upgrade over IKF or he would have started all of the postseason.
Volpe is also very much unproven.
Catcher trade is a thought, but what is the likelihood.
They have to move Hicks before he gets 5/10, and then we're stuck with him for the next three years.
They're on record as going for another starter.
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IKF proved we can make the playoffs with a decent glove and 0 at the plate at SS. Peraza is a huge upgrade. Getting rid of Torres for Murphy addresses C and allows DJ to play his best position at 2nd. Volpe can play third with Cabrera penciled in until he's called up.
IKF batted twenty points over MLB league average in 2022. The year before, he was 12th in all of MLB in base hits, batting lead-off for Texas. Far from clear that Peraza can perform at that level on a full MLB try. He looked overmatched against high level pitching in his one postseason start. Obviously the Yankees didn't believe he was a huge upgrade over IKF or he would have started all of the postseason.
Volpe is also very much unproven.
Catcher trade is a thought, but what is the likelihood.
Saying IKF hits for average is like saying Gallo has a decent career slugging percentage. You're purposely ignoring what he doesn't bring to the table offensively, namely every thing else: power, walks, extra base hits, etc.
It's a 22 game sample for a 21 year old in his first time in AAA.
Oh Greg. That hurts. I love DJ.
in the starting line-up spells doom.
Nimmo would be a fantastic addition. But I would hate to pry him away from the Mets, because while I'm a Yankees first and foremost, I also happen to root for the Mets.
They need to find a way to move one of those two players,
virtually impossible to move both players. Everyone knows they are going to have eat money on either to move them!
As far as the rest of the infield, here is the bit of conundrum the Yanks are in with DJLM. Okay, so he didn't have surgery on his toe(s) after the season ended, he wanted to try the less 'invasive' approach, aka, no surgery.
Now supposedly he has got another opinion on his foot recently, and they are still hoping he doesn't need surgery.
Now that they have gone to December, and no surgery yet, lets just say he has surgery in say January. Well that takes him out for the beg. of the season at the very least. That might be a reason not to move a Torres, and to a lesser degree Donaldson. Personally, since the organization made an investment in DJ when he became a free agent, I think he should have stepped up, and had surgery after the season ended. There is no guarantee he will make it thru the season without surgery...
They need to add some hitters that hit for average and can generate runs when the long balls are not coming. Judge can't be the only player that can.
I don't necessarily agree with this statement, but it's also why I want Nimmo. Also, please don't forget the shift is gone. Rizzo will be one of the biggest benefactors in MLB.
Nimmo
Judge
Rizzo
Stanton
DJLM
Bader
Donaldson
Volpe/Paraza
Trevino
This lineup should have 5 guys that can hit .270+
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Thanks, sir.
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He's 34 and has been frequently injured and mediocre the past two years. I suspect the wheels are going to come off completely soon.
Oh Greg. That hurts. I love DJ.
He's right in the sense that his body is showing signs of breaking down, and the contract will become another albatross here...They are loaded with them now.
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He's 34 and has been frequently injured and mediocre the past two years. I suspect the wheels are going to come off completely soon.
Oh Greg. That hurts. I love DJ.
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He's right in the sense that his body is showing signs of breaking down, and the contract will become another albatross here...They are loaded with them now.
I don't disagree. The truth of it hurts. It'd suck if DJ became Donaldson. I just like DJ.
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The lineup is poorly constructed and needs some significant changes. They have too many players that are an easy out, and too many many players that are HR hitters but can't hit above the .220 to .230 range. In the playoffs we saw they either hit the HR or nothing.
They need to add some hitters that hit for average and can generate runs when the long balls are not coming. Judge can't be the only player that can.
I don't necessarily agree with this statement, but it's also why I want Nimmo. Also, please don't forget the shift is gone. Rizzo will be one of the biggest benefactors in MLB.
Nimmo
Judge
Rizzo
Stanton
DJLM
Bader
Donaldson
Volpe/Paraza
Trevino
This lineup should have 5 guys that can hit .270+
Hopefully, but other than Judge and DJ no one else on that list has a career BA at .270 or above
The only thing I have to strongly disagree with you on is he's still very good - when healthy. He was top 5-7 in WAR last year before the toe injury destroyed his season.
Now with that said he's suffered significant injuries the last two years. I've been saying to my buddies there is no way you can pencil him in as an everyday starter unless you have a legitimate backup. I'm not opposed to trading him.
It's a 22 game sample for a 21 year old in his first time in AAA.
Of course. But Yanks are in a spot where they have to decide whether to trade away a known quantity (Torres) without having the affirmative evidence for Volpe's MLB potential that they would ideally like to have.
That's a question mark.
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It's a 22 game sample for a 21 year old in his first time in AAA.
Of course. But Yanks are in a spot where they have to decide whether to trade away a known quantity (Torres) without having the affirmative evidence for Volpe's MLB potential that they would ideally like to have.
That's a question mark.
True. Still, trading Gleyber this offseason with two years of team control left probably nets you much more than next off season.
That they supposedly were willing to move him mid-season at the past deadline tells you all you need to know about how confident they are in being able to backfill his spot.
In any case, I don't dislike Gleyber, but he shouldn't be batting higher than 7 in this lineup.
They'll want Volpe to get 200ABs in AAA, and I wouldn't be shocked if we don't see an infield shakeup until the upcoming trade deadline, when they may finally be ready to go all-kid mode.
Saying IKF hits for average is like saying Gallo has a decent career slugging percentage. You're purposely ignoring what he doesn't bring to the table offensively, namely every thing else: power, walks, extra base hits, etc.
I'm all aboard giving Peraza a long look as the starting SS, presuming he has any kind of a decent spring training.
The hard decision is on trading away Torres given the uncertainties of all the other infield pieces, both vets and prospects, and Peraza is part of that overall picture.
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He is a very good CF. Bader would play in CF over him though.
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Volpe's Scranton stats were underwhelming.
It's a 22 game sample for a 21 year old in his first time in AAA.
shyster loves to overreact to laughably small sample sizes. He’s regurgitated this nonsense about Volpe about 20 times since the season ended.
He also follows up this doozy with saying Peraza looked overmatched in his ONE postseason start a few posts later, lol.
Wrong. That take might have been accurate 3-4 years ago. A couple years ago, the Mets had him play deeper and he has been a near-elite (if not elite) defender in CF since. He would be excellent defensively in LF, which would give the Yankees quite the defensive OF. If Bader got injured, he would step into CF seemlessly
That they supposedly were willing to move him mid-season at the past deadline tells you all you need to know about how confident they are in being able to backfill his spot.
Certainly significant, but recall that, as of the trade deadline, DJL was performing at All Star level. His performance went off a cliff about ten days later, and then it was a struggling month before he went on the injured list.
Donaldson was not doing nearly as well as DJL as of the deadline, but he also wasn't the feeble spectacle he presented in the playoffs.
Those developments put much more of a premium on what the Yanks think of the infield prospects, if they're going to deal away Torres.
Granted, he would have walked but imho, Too much, too long.
Bring me 10-D.
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It's a 22 game sample for a 21 year old in his first time in AAA.
Of course. But Yanks are in a spot where they have to decide whether to trade away a known quantity (Torres) without having the affirmative evidence for Volpe's MLB potential that they would ideally like to have.
That's a question mark.
True. Still, trading Gleyber this offseason with two years of team control left probably nets you much more than next off season.
That they supposedly were willing to move him mid-season at the past deadline tells you all you need to know about how confident they are in being able to backfill his spot.
In any case, I don't dislike Gleyber, but he shouldn't be batting higher than 7 in this lineup.
They'll want Volpe to get 200ABs in AAA, and I wouldn't be shocked if we don't see an infield shakeup until the upcoming trade deadline, when they may finally be ready to go all-kid mode.
Why does everyone overlook Cabrera?
Remember, he is an INF- first time he ever played the OF was when he was already with the Yanks- NEVER played there in the minors. He had a LOT of time at 3B, SS and 2B. Defensively, he shouldn’t be a starting SS. However, he can be a 2B and possibly a 3B with the Yanks.
In fact, if DJLM opens on the DL and they trade Torres, my guess is that he is the likely 2B to start 2023.
That's my guy !!!!
Why does everyone overlook Cabrera?
Remember, he is an INF- first time he ever played the OF was when he was already with the Yanks- NEVER played there in the minors. He had a LOT of time at 3B, SS and 2B. Defensively, he shouldn’t be a starting SS. However, he can be a 2B and possibly a 3B with the Yanks.
In fact, if DJLM opens on the DL and they trade Torres, my guess is that he is the likely 2B to start 2023.
Everything you say about Cabrera is true and your bottom line conclusion could well be correct.
But I did mention Cabrera in my "Question Marks" post above. He had a disappointing postseason at the plate: 8 starts, 7 0-fers. If he had not had that collision with Hicks that ended Hicks' season, I think Cabrera would very likely have found himself benched.
The league has had the opportunity to scout him and he has to show he can repeat his 2022 regular season success before he has the status of a plug-in MLB starter.
gone?
Cubs?
gone?
Cubs?
yes, 4 yrs/$68 mill off the top of my head.
Bring me 10-D.
Yes. I agree with this.
More players that can put the bat on the ball around Judge/Stanton/Rizzo is the way I would go.
No thanks on him. Rodon is much better/more important. Looks like the rumors of Rodon coming here are gaining steam, too.
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Dave, please delete. The article is by Heyman. :)
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Dave, please delete. The article is by Heyman. :)
Haha, I considered not posting it due to that. But everyone knows the Yanks are targeting Rodon big time now that Judge has been signed, so I figured I'd post it.
Can you imagine if we wind up with Judge and Rodon?! Man, that'd be sweet. And it seems like Rodon signing is here is gaining more and more steam, which is awesome.
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Dave, please delete. The article is by Heyman. :)
Heyman becoming the new Nightengale this off-season is not something I saw coming
That might be the best rotation in baseball.
And why do we have to catch up? Paying $43 million per year to a 40 year old pitcher and paying 185 million for a 4th OF? No thanks. It's hilarious, though. Every offseason the excitement is palpable with certain fanbases, and every year they wind up supremely disappointed. It's great.
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Cubs?
yes, 4 yrs/$68 mill off the top of my head.
Ah, got it, thanks!
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Damn, Mets' payroll now at $320M and will only go up. We need to catch up.
That might be the best rotation in baseball.
And why do we have to catch up? Paying $43 million per year to a 40 year old pitcher and paying 185 million for a 4th OF? No thanks. It's hilarious, though. Every offseason the excitement is palpable with certain fanbases, and every year they wind up supremely disappointed. It's great.
Nimmo is a 4th OF? I’ve seen it all. He’s actually a superb CF defensively and one of the top leadoff hitters in the game. Mets fans like to call Nimmo a baseball IQ test. You have failed it mightily.
Bader .317 OBP, .723 OPS. .528 OPS with Yankees with .245 OBP
If Nimmo is a 4th OF, Bader is a AAA player
I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!
Jeezus, man. Pathetic
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Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge
I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!
Jeezus, man. Pathetic
It is pathetic. Ignorant Yankee fans calling Nimmo a 4th OF and an average defender. He was a 5.0 WAR player last year. Name me a 4th OF with a 5.0 WAR. Quick. Spew complete lack of baseball knowledge, get called on it, and whine about it.
Reality is a player like Nimmo is just what the Yankees need. Push Judge off leadoff for good. Get on base at a near .400 clip for the power bats. Play excellent defense. Manufacture runs
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Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge
I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!
Jeezus, man. Pathetic
It is pathetic. Ignorant Yankee fans calling Nimmo a 4th OF and an average defender. He was a 5.0 WAR player last year. Name me a 4th OF with a 5.0 WAR. Quick. Spew complete lack of baseball knowledge, get called on it, and whine about it.
Reality is a player like Nimmo is just what the Yankees need. Push Judge off leadoff for good. Get on base at a near .400 clip for the power bats. Play excellent defense. Manufacture runs
You’re barking up the wrong tree. I really like Nimmo and calling him a 4th OF is absurd. I just have no idea why you give a shit what other people think. Stop being so damn sensitive to some else having a different opinion on one of your precious little Metsies. You called out both Bader and Stanton and really, I couldn’t care less. And running as fast as you can to the Nimmo thread to copy and paste the same shit to get your buddies all riled up is lame as hell. Get ahold of yourself
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Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge
I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!
Jeezus, man. Pathetic
It is pathetic. Ignorant Yankee fans calling Nimmo a 4th OF and an average defender. He was a 5.0 WAR player last year. Name me a 4th OF with a 5.0 WAR. Quick. Spew complete lack of baseball knowledge, get called on it, and whine about it.
Reality is a player like Nimmo is just what the Yankees need. Push Judge off leadoff for good. Get on base at a near .400 clip for the power bats. Play excellent defense. Manufacture runs
You’re barking up the wrong tree. I really like Nimmo and calling him a 4th OF is absurd. I just have no idea why you give a shit what other people think. Stop being so damn sensitive to some else having a different opinion on one of your precious little Metsies. You called out both Bader and Stanton and really, I couldn’t care less. And running as fast as you can to the Nimmo thread to copy and paste the same shit to get your buddies all riled up is lame as hell. Get ahold of yourself
I brought up Bader and Stanton to compare their numbers to Nimmo. Not overly sensitive at all. It’s just comical the ignorance that was spewed about Nimmo. Different opinion? Ok. The objective stats show he is not an average defender or a 4th OF.
Nimmo was 27th in all of baseball in WAR last year. All position players and pitchers. Per fangraphs. The only OF ahead of him are Judge, Alvarez, Betts, Trout. That’s it. The 5th best OF in WAR last year is somehow a 4th OF. That’s not a difference of opinion. That’s objectively and ignorantly wrong.
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Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge
I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!
Jeezus, man. Pathetic
It is pathetic. Ignorant Yankee fans calling Nimmo a 4th OF and an average defender. He was a 5.0 WAR player last year. Name me a 4th OF with a 5.0 WAR. Quick. Spew complete lack of baseball knowledge, get called on it, and whine about it.
Reality is a player like Nimmo is just what the Yankees need. Push Judge off leadoff for good. Get on base at a near .400 clip for the power bats. Play excellent defense. Manufacture runs
Ok. Made your point well. No go away to the super sensitive Mets thread where you belong.
And banish Donaldson and IKF ferchrissakes
And banish Donaldson and IKF ferchrissakes
I'd like Benintendi back.
I can go with IKF as utility IF. But absolutely get rid of Hicks and Donaldson.
Hick defensive miscues and then the hangdog attitude should be all they need to know about who he is.
Absolutely get Rodon.
Bader .317 OBP, .723 OPS. .528 OPS with Yankees with .245 OBP
If Nimmo is a 4th OF, Bader is a AAA player
The .528 came in all of 14 games after being on the shelf for a few months. He was the only Yankee that hit worth a shit in the playoffs.
Nimmo's the better hitter, Bader's the better outfielder.
Meh, he could not catch up to the FB. So I doubt it gets much better.
He still has an excellent glove. Just as soon move on.
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3B opening day. Cashman gave to get, he makes a lot of money and the 3 years prior to coming here he had an OPS of .900, .842 and.827 respectively. I don't think they will just write him off until he fails again(which he probably will), but he will get a chance to bounce back.
Meh, he could not catch up to the FB. So I doubt it gets much better.
He still has an excellent glove. Just as soon move on.
My point wasn't what I would do, its what I believe the Yankees will do. They will give him the first crack at 3B until he fails again.
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa
Ooooh boy!
@RealMichaelKay
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa
Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.
Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.
And let's not forget that IKF defensive WAR was season was 1.9 while Correa was only 1.1. That's a serious downgrade of the middle of the field defense
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa
Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.
rich they already have Cole and he was on that team and it is pretty obvious that Spider Tack was in use by him before it was banned.
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@RealMichaelKay
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa
Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.
rich they already have Cole and he was on that team and it is pretty obvious that Spider Tack was in use by him before it was banned.
Cole was not on the ‘17 Astros
But, Correa? When you have two SS prospects knocking on the door? Formerly of the hated Astros?
Why? Can't we have a plan?
Nah..they’re probably looking to bring back El Gary..
Glad to have him back in the pen and hope he’s back to his pre injury form. Would be a big plus if he can reach that level again.
Also, I haven't seen anything regarding what type of contract Andrew Benintendi is looking for? I have seen estimates of four-years between $56 to $70 million
Let Pereza start at SS. Play DJL at 2B until Volpe is ready. Play Cabrera at either 3B or LF, and trade Torres for one of those positions. Hope Dominguez and Volpe are ready by the end of next year.
Or sign Benintendi to a reasonable deal and decide what to do with Bader based on Dominguez’s progress.
Or give out more big contracts. Fine by me too.
Also, I haven't seen anything regarding what type of contract Andrew Benintendi is looking for? I have seen estimates of four-years between $56 to $70 million
Reynolds is a better player than Benintendi at this point but Pittsburgh is notoriously difficult to deal with. They are going to want a ridiculous haul for Reynolds so I highly doubt that happens. Teams looked into Reynolds at the deadline last season and apparently the asking price was absurd
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa
Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.
rich they already have Cole and he was on that team and it is pretty obvious that Spider Tack was in use by him before it was banned.
Cole was not on the ‘17 Astros
He was here in '19...
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa
Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.
rich they already have Cole and he was on that team and it is pretty obvious that Spider Tack was in use by him before it was banned.
Cole was not on the ‘17 Astros
He was here in '19...
GD it, "T" key is worn...He was there in '19.
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa
Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.
rich they already have Cole and he was on that team and it is pretty obvious that Spider Tack was in use by him before it was banned.
Cole was not on the ‘17 Astros
He was here in '19...
They weren’t punished for cheating in ‘19. They were punished for cheating in ‘17…
He was here in '19...
What?
They weren’t punished for cheating in ‘19. They were punished for cheating in ‘17…
Everyone knows they cheated in 2019 too....So he was there when they were cheating.
Also, I haven't seen anything regarding what type of contract Andrew Benintendi is looking for? I have seen estimates of four-years between $56 to $70 million
That seems light for Benintendi. Nimmo got 8/$162M and they’re similar players. You never know, but I think he’s gonna get something like 6/$100M. My guess is if they sign Rodon they trade for a guy like Max Kepler or one of Arizona’s outfielders to play left rather than pay Benintendi or give up the type of haul it would take to get Reynolds.
I don’t buy it. Last offseason Olney said the Yankees would be one of the most aggressive teams. He said Freddie Freeman would be their top target and if they miss on him they could pivot to Seager/Correa and that they were going to aggressively upgrade their pen. They did none of those things… He rarely if ever has legit info anymore.
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I don’t buy it. Last offseason Olney said the Yankees would be one of the most aggressive teams. He said Freddie Freeman would be their top target and if they miss on him they could pivot to Seager/Correa and that they were going to aggressively upgrade their pen. They did none of those things… He rarely if ever has legit info anymore.
Michael Kay said yesterday that he’s heard the same exact thing from very trusted sources. He said these were sources not named Buster Olney
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Just like last offseason, and we saw who went further into the postseason..
They might have been in on Correa if Judge was not
re-signed. That ship has sailed now, they will go with the kids. The Mets just signed the Japanese pitcher for reasonable money,
Rodon will cost at least double that!
Arizona has some young outfielders, maybe the Yanks should consider moving Torres for one of them? I'm down on Benintendi myself, wasn't impressed with what I saw from him, before the injury, not at all. Even his defense was not as good as I thought it would be.
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Rodon. After that Benintendi. I just do not see Correa after spending on Judge, Rodon and Benintendi.
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Arizona has some young outfielders, maybe the Yanks should consider moving Torres for one of them? I'm down on Benintendi myself, wasn't impressed with what I saw from him, before the injury, not at all. Even his defense was not as good as I thought it would be.
If that was the case, just keep Cabrera out there. He was VG in right but close to a disaster in left - more from lack of experience, as LF in Yankee Stadium is a bear.
Yankees need a leadoff hitter. Judge leading off is foolish.
The Mets had more holes to fill given their own guys who left in FA (Degrom/Bassit) or needed to be retained (Nimmo). The Yankees have only lost Taillon and the only other notable FA is Benintendi. Regardless, I don’t see Hal spending on par with the Mets this off-season but hopefully they can close the deal with Rodon.
We are busy patting ourselves in the back with Cashman at the helm, let’s see how long that lasts when we no longer have a laughing stock across town.
We are busy patting ourselves in the back with Cashman at the helm, let’s see how long that lasts when we no longer have a laughing stock across town.
Same old tired nonsense. “We have to outspend everyone!”
When has outspending everyone worked? Maybe 2009- but that’s it. The dynasty teams were built around a core 4 of home grown players and they filled in at the edges.
The Padres, Yanks and Mets outspent everyone else by a large margin and they got to the World Ser… oh wait…NONE of them even went to the World Series.
There is NO correlation between spending and World Series titles. In fact, the Astros were 10th in spending. Further, of the top 5 spending, only the Phillies- who were 4th even made the World Series- and they got swept.
Those owners can afford it, but they are more interested in maximizing profits than fielding a winning team. They have the found the proper balance of spending just enough and then sitting back and waiting for those fat luxury tax checks.
Every team makes a bunch of money, if they didn't, you would see more relocations and team sales, IMO.
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Mets luxury tax in 2023 is more than 10-12 teams payroll. Per Buster. That is crazy. I’m sorry.but, there needs to be a certain amount you have to spend. If you can’t afford it, sell the team.
Those owners can afford it, but they are more interested in maximizing profits than fielding a winning team. They have the found the proper balance of spending just enough and then sitting back and waiting for those fat luxury tax checks.
Every team makes a bunch of money, if they didn't, you would see more relocations and team sales, IMO.
I agree. There needs to be a minimum floor. If the owners say they can’t afford it they should sell the team.
The problem with this argument is that if you want a floor, the small market teams will demand a ceiling (hard cap) as well. The small market teams outnumber the large market teams, so they tend to win the internal arguments among owners.
MLB has proposed one before- and the players went on strike to stop it- guaranteed to happen again if it happens.
What Cohen is doing is screwing the other large market owners. He’s literally making the small market owners case for them. While fans don’t agree- the owners have NEVER cared about public opinion on their spending.
We are busy patting ourselves in the back with Cashman at the helm, let’s see how long that lasts when we no longer have a laughing stock across town.
I disagree that the Mets "have more prospects in the pipeline". The top of the two teams' systems are relatively close to one another but the Yankees have more org depth at the moment.
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prospects in the pipeline then us.
We are busy patting ourselves in the back with Cashman at the helm, let’s see how long that lasts when we no longer have a laughing stock across town.
Same old tired nonsense. “We have to outspend everyone!”
When has outspending everyone worked? Maybe 2009- but that’s it. The dynasty teams were built around a core 4 of home grown players and they filled in at the edges.
The Padres, Yanks and Mets outspent everyone else by a large margin and they got to the World Ser… oh wait…NONE of them even went to the World Series.
There is NO correlation between spending and World Series titles. In fact, the Astros were 10th in spending. Further, of the top 5 spending, only the Phillies- who were 4th even made the World Series- and they got swept.
While this is true, what the Yankees have been doing isn't leading to championships either.
I absolutely agree with you on this point.
If I were the mid-market or large market owners, I’d be furious that they are stealing money from me. However, they never set up an enforcement mechanism to force those owners to invest in the team. Sure the union can and has filed grievances- but those went nowhere fast.
If I were an owner of a big market team, I’m make SURE there were rules that account for every dollar and make sure what spending would be considered good ways to spend that money and prohibited uses.
Pipe dream I know, but the system is broken.
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prospects in the pipeline then us.
We are busy patting ourselves in the back with Cashman at the helm, let’s see how long that lasts when we no longer have a laughing stock across town.
Same old tired nonsense. “We have to outspend everyone!”
When has outspending everyone worked? Maybe 2009- but that’s it. The dynasty teams were built around a core 4 of home grown players and they filled in at the edges.
The Padres, Yanks and Mets outspent everyone else by a large margin and they got to the World Ser… oh wait…NONE of them even went to the World Series.
There is NO correlation between spending and World Series titles. In fact, the Astros were 10th in spending. Further, of the top 5 spending, only the Phillies- who were 4th even made the World Series- and they got swept.
While this is true, what the Yankees have been doing isn't leading to championships either.
They haven’t won since 2009- but I don’t think spending totals are the answer. In fact, Donaldson and Hicks are wastes of money. With that said, I think they need to give some of the younger guys a chance.
IMO, the young guys who they shots to on the pitching side last year gave them a nice boost. Cabrera gave them a nice boost on the offensive side. A big piece of the dynasty teams was a core the developed themselves. Not even prospect will pan out- there will always be a Gerald Williams who doesn’t become a regular for every one like Bernie they find.
Still, if you don’t give them a short, you’re never going to find out. That loyalty showed last week with Judge- yes, he milked them for every dollar- but he wanted to end up back in NY.
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prospects in the pipeline then us.
We are busy patting ourselves in the back with Cashman at the helm, let’s see how long that lasts when we no longer have a laughing stock across town.
I disagree that the Mets "have more prospects in the pipeline". The top of the two teams' systems are relatively close to one another but the Yankees have more org depth at the moment.
yeah- I agree- that’s baloney.
Volpe, Dominguez, Peraza and Wells is a solid high end group as anyone else has. The depth is mostly at the lower levels.
The Yanks have demonstrated that they can develop pitchers- some names I suspect we’ll be talking about this time next year- Drew Thorpe, Trystan Vrierling, and Brendan Beck. Also, don’t sleep on Spencer Jones or Anthony Hall.
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prospects in the pipeline then us.
We are busy patting ourselves in the back with Cashman at the helm, let’s see how long that lasts when we no longer have a laughing stock across town.
I disagree that the Mets "have more prospects in the pipeline". The top of the two teams' systems are relatively close to one another but the Yankees have more org depth at the moment.
yeah- I agree- that’s baloney.
Volpe, Dominguez, Peraza and Wells is a solid high end group as anyone else has. The depth is mostly at the lower levels.
The Yanks have demonstrated that they can develop pitchers- some names I suspect we’ll be talking about this time next year- Drew Thorpe, Trystan Vrierling, and Brendan Beck. Also, don’t sleep on Spencer Jones or Anthony Hall.
I think the unique aspect is baseball is you can absolutely use payroll as a 'bridge strategy' until the next wave is ready. With football, you have to take your runs, suffer a few down years and then try and take another run.
While yanks do have some pipeline guys, let's say they said they aren't spending more after the Judge signing. I think most would agree that the team is probably as good as last year but not better and would need some things to break right to win a WS in '23. So you're looking at 24-25 to take another shot.
However, they could partially spend their way out of it by eating money on guys like Hicks and Donaldson and trying to beef up starting pitching.
That would probably make the team better than last year and doesn't jeopardize trading away the pipeline guys either.
So yeah money doesn't buy a championship, but baseball teams are uniquely positioned to use it as a tool to eat mistakes and use it to build without trading away assets.
And yet our process is great, our pipeline is great, our GM is great, so what gives? Someone cheats every year, we are besieged with injuries or bad luck always follows us every year?
We dwarf every other team in revenue, have a great “process” but not the result to show for it, and nobody in the industry would say we are better run than the Dodgers, Astros, Cardinals or Tampa.
I am just asking why not? Why can’t bent out of shape when someone questions Cashman? And you don’t have to tell who we have in the minors. Did Thorpe even pitch last year? How many 3rd round pitchers have flamed out before?
The Mets are serious about winning now, we can’t just be satisfied with playoff appearances going forward.