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Kmed6000 : 12/8/2022 9:55 am
First off, its being reported that Judge was offered 10-400 from SD and declined. Judge has always wanted to come back to the Yankees and he proved it. Love that guy.

So where do we go from here? We have a very solid team and will be in contention to represent the AL, but we can get better. Houston took a step back losing Verlander and nobody from the AL East made drastic improvements.

Heres what we look like right now:

C: Trevino
1B: Rizzo
2B: Torres/DJLM
SS: IKF/Volpe/Paraza
3B: Donaldson/DJLM
LF: Cabrera?/Hicks
CF: Bader
RF: Judge
DH: Stanton

Starters: Cole/Cortes/Severino/Montas/German

Biggest Need? LF. Ideally it would be someone who hits at the top of the order. Nimmo, Benintendi, trade?

2nd need- I'd argue it's getting rid of Donaldson and/or Torres. Ideally we trade Torres for a pitcher, but I'm not sure how much value he has. That will open up a spot for DJLM and the young guys.

Additionally, we can really use a closer and starter(pref top end).

I think I'd go hard for Nimmo right now. Not sure of the contract numbers he's looking for, but he fills an offensive and defensive need. Gets on base 40% of the time and can push .300 BA.

I'd like Rodon and Nimmo, but I don't know how realistic that would be. If we are limited, I'm signing Nimmo and then trying to trade Torres for a starter. If that doesn't work, I'd sign a lower end starter with upside for the back of the rotation. Maybe a Syndergaard or someone like that.

This lineup will suffice, IMO:

Nimmo
Judge
Rizzo
Stanton
DJLM
Bader
Donaldson
Volpe/Paraza
Trevino
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mitch300 : 12/8/2022 1:10 pm : link
Would love for the Yankees to start giving their youth a chance. I would be upset if IKF started over Peraza. The Yankees have a history of being very slow in giving their youth a real chance. Whenyour roster is based on salary that’s a problem. For years we heard about Florial. Finally last year he had good AAA numbers. They call him up and goes 2 for 10 ( just an example) and they send him back down. Meanwhile Gallo and Hicks go 1 for 20 and they continue to play. I’m not saying Florial will amount to anything. I’m just saying give the young guys a chance.when these kids get called up if they don’t produce immediately they get sent back down.
Benintendi  
GruningsOnTheHill : 12/8/2022 4:03 pm : link
10-D/Bader/Judge is an elite OF.

Bring me 10-D.
RE: RE: RE: Oh come on  
rich in DC : 12/8/2022 5:57 pm : link
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It's a 22 game sample for a 21 year old in his first time in AAA.



Of course. But Yanks are in a spot where they have to decide whether to trade away a known quantity (Torres) without having the affirmative evidence for Volpe's MLB potential that they would ideally like to have.

That's a question mark.




True. Still, trading Gleyber this offseason with two years of team control left probably nets you much more than next off season.

That they supposedly were willing to move him mid-season at the past deadline tells you all you need to know about how confident they are in being able to backfill his spot.

In any case, I don't dislike Gleyber, but he shouldn't be batting higher than 7 in this lineup.

They'll want Volpe to get 200ABs in AAA, and I wouldn't be shocked if we don't see an infield shakeup until the upcoming trade deadline, when they may finally be ready to go all-kid mode.


Why does everyone overlook Cabrera?

Remember, he is an INF- first time he ever played the OF was when he was already with the Yanks- NEVER played there in the minors. He had a LOT of time at 3B, SS and 2B. Defensively, he shouldn’t be a starting SS. However, he can be a 2B and possibly a 3B with the Yanks.

In fact, if DJLM opens on the DL and they trade Torres, my guess is that he is the likely 2B to start 2023.
In 7 starts against the Astros  
GiantGrit : 12/8/2022 6:09 pm : link
Rodon has a 1.55 ERA with 43 K's, also has publicly talked about disliking them.

That's my guy !!!!
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shyster : 12/8/2022 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15938692 rich in DC said:
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Why does everyone overlook Cabrera?

Remember, he is an INF- first time he ever played the OF was when he was already with the Yanks- NEVER played there in the minors. He had a LOT of time at 3B, SS and 2B. Defensively, he shouldn’t be a starting SS. However, he can be a 2B and possibly a 3B with the Yanks.

In fact, if DJLM opens on the DL and they trade Torres, my guess is that he is the likely 2B to start 2023.


Everything you say about Cabrera is true and your bottom line conclusion could well be correct.

But I did mention Cabrera in my "Question Marks" post above. He had a disappointing postseason at the plate: 8 starts, 7 0-fers. If he had not had that collision with Hicks that ended Hicks' season, I think Cabrera would very likely have found himself benched.

The league has had the opportunity to scout him and he has to show he can repeat his 2022 regular season success before he has the status of a plug-in MLB starter.
Is Jameson Taillon  
M.S. : 12/8/2022 6:51 pm : link

gone?

Cubs?
RE: Is Jameson Taillon  
section125 : 12/8/2022 6:52 pm : link
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gone?

Cubs?


yes, 4 yrs/$68 mill off the top of my head.
RE: Benintendi  
section125 : 12/8/2022 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15938613 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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10-D/Bader/Judge is an elite OF.

Bring me 10-D.


Yes. I agree with this.
Benintendi  
mattnyg05 : 12/8/2022 6:54 pm : link
is the exact player you missed big time in the playoffs. He was becoming a catalyst for them before getting hurt.

More players that can put the bat on the ball around Judge/Stanton/Rizzo is the way I would go.
Peraza is a much better defensive SS than IKF  
Matt M. : 12/8/2022 6:56 pm : link
and, at worst, is about the same oiffensively right now, with a MUCH higher ceiling. I would much rather take my chances with him at SS. IKF could slide to 3B if they, miracle of miracles, can shake Donaldson loose. 3B is his best defensive position and where he won a GG.
I wouldn't love Nimmo  
Matt M. : 12/8/2022 7:00 pm : link
He's a guy that each of the last few years is supposed to take that next step and really only took a baby step. He is OK, but in no way a difference maker in any capacity for a lineup.
RE: I wouldn't love Nimmo  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/8/2022 9:11 pm : link
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He's a guy that each of the last few years is supposed to take that next step and really only took a baby step. He is OK, but in no way a difference maker in any capacity for a lineup.


No thanks on him. Rodon is much better/more important. Looks like the rumors of Rodon coming here are gaining steam, too.
Yanks targetting Rodon, new article from 15 mins ago:  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/8/2022 9:20 pm : link
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mitch300 : 12/8/2022 9:23 pm : link
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Dave, please delete. The article is by Heyman. :)
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Dave in Hoboken : 12/8/2022 9:25 pm : link
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Dave, please delete. The article is by Heyman. :)


Haha, I considered not posting it due to that. But everyone knows the Yanks are targeting Rodon big time now that Judge has been signed, so I figured I'd post it.

Can you imagine if we wind up with Judge and Rodon?! Man, that'd be sweet. And it seems like Rodon signing is here is gaining more and more steam, which is awesome.
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Strahan91 : 12/8/2022 9:27 pm : link
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Dave, please delete. The article is by Heyman. :)

Heyman becoming the new Nightengale this off-season is not something I saw coming
Cole, Rodon, Sevy, Cortes and Montas would be a sweet rotation.  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/8/2022 9:54 pm : link
Damn, Mets' payroll now at $320M and will only go up. We need to catch up.
RE: Cole, Rodon, Sevy, Cortes and Montas would be a sweet rotation.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/8/2022 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15938884 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Damn, Mets' payroll now at $320M and will only go up. We need to catch up.


That might be the best rotation in baseball.

And why do we have to catch up? Paying $43 million per year to a 40 year old pitcher and paying 185 million for a 4th OF? No thanks. It's hilarious, though. Every offseason the excitement is palpable with certain fanbases, and every year they wind up supremely disappointed. It's great.
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M.S. : 12/8/2022 10:13 pm : link
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gone?

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yes, 4 yrs/$68 mill off the top of my head.

Ah, got it, thanks!

RE: RE: Cole, Rodon, Sevy, Cortes and Montas would be a sweet rotation.  
KDavies : 12/9/2022 6:56 am : link
In comment 15938901 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Damn, Mets' payroll now at $320M and will only go up. We need to catch up.



That might be the best rotation in baseball.

And why do we have to catch up? Paying $43 million per year to a 40 year old pitcher and paying 185 million for a 4th OF? No thanks. It's hilarious, though. Every offseason the excitement is palpable with certain fanbases, and every year they wind up supremely disappointed. It's great.


Nimmo is a 4th OF? I’ve seen it all. He’s actually a superb CF defensively and one of the top leadoff hitters in the game. Mets fans like to call Nimmo a baseball IQ test. You have failed it mightily.
Nimmo lifetime  
KDavies : 12/9/2022 7:01 am : link
.827 OPS, .385 OBP

Bader .317 OBP, .723 OPS. .528 OPS with Yankees with .245 OBP

If Nimmo is a 4th OF, Bader is a AAA player
Stanton had a .7 WAR last year  
KDavies : 12/9/2022 7:42 am : link
Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge
RE: Stanton had a .7 WAR last year  
BigBlueShock : 12/9/2022 7:51 am : link
In comment 15939080 KDavies said:
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Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge

I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!

Jeezus, man. Pathetic
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KDavies : 12/9/2022 7:59 am : link
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Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge


I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!

Jeezus, man. Pathetic


It is pathetic. Ignorant Yankee fans calling Nimmo a 4th OF and an average defender. He was a 5.0 WAR player last year. Name me a 4th OF with a 5.0 WAR. Quick. Spew complete lack of baseball knowledge, get called on it, and whine about it.

Reality is a player like Nimmo is just what the Yankees need. Push Judge off leadoff for good. Get on base at a near .400 clip for the power bats. Play excellent defense. Manufacture runs
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BigBlueShock : 12/9/2022 8:08 am : link
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Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge


I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!

Jeezus, man. Pathetic



It is pathetic. Ignorant Yankee fans calling Nimmo a 4th OF and an average defender. He was a 5.0 WAR player last year. Name me a 4th OF with a 5.0 WAR. Quick. Spew complete lack of baseball knowledge, get called on it, and whine about it.

Reality is a player like Nimmo is just what the Yankees need. Push Judge off leadoff for good. Get on base at a near .400 clip for the power bats. Play excellent defense. Manufacture runs

You’re barking up the wrong tree. I really like Nimmo and calling him a 4th OF is absurd. I just have no idea why you give a shit what other people think. Stop being so damn sensitive to some else having a different opinion on one of your precious little Metsies. You called out both Bader and Stanton and really, I couldn’t care less. And running as fast as you can to the Nimmo thread to copy and paste the same shit to get your buddies all riled up is lame as hell. Get ahold of yourself
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KDavies : 12/9/2022 8:22 am : link
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Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge


I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!

Jeezus, man. Pathetic



It is pathetic. Ignorant Yankee fans calling Nimmo a 4th OF and an average defender. He was a 5.0 WAR player last year. Name me a 4th OF with a 5.0 WAR. Quick. Spew complete lack of baseball knowledge, get called on it, and whine about it.

Reality is a player like Nimmo is just what the Yankees need. Push Judge off leadoff for good. Get on base at a near .400 clip for the power bats. Play excellent defense. Manufacture runs


You’re barking up the wrong tree. I really like Nimmo and calling him a 4th OF is absurd. I just have no idea why you give a shit what other people think. Stop being so damn sensitive to some else having a different opinion on one of your precious little Metsies. You called out both Bader and Stanton and really, I couldn’t care less. And running as fast as you can to the Nimmo thread to copy and paste the same shit to get your buddies all riled up is lame as hell. Get ahold of yourself


I brought up Bader and Stanton to compare their numbers to Nimmo. Not overly sensitive at all. It’s just comical the ignorance that was spewed about Nimmo. Different opinion? Ok. The objective stats show he is not an average defender or a 4th OF.

Nimmo was 27th in all of baseball in WAR last year. All position players and pitchers. Per fangraphs. The only OF ahead of him are Judge, Alvarez, Betts, Trout. That’s it. The 5th best OF in WAR last year is somehow a 4th OF. That’s not a difference of opinion. That’s objectively and ignorantly wrong.

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section125 : 12/9/2022 8:23 am : link
In comment 15939099 KDavies said:
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Nimmo 5.0. More than 7 times the $325 million man. Please, name me a team with 3 better OFs than Nimmo. Yankees have one in Judge


I love that you ran to your Mets fan Nimmo thread to tell them about this thread, lol. Let’s go get ‘em boys!

Jeezus, man. Pathetic



It is pathetic. Ignorant Yankee fans calling Nimmo a 4th OF and an average defender. He was a 5.0 WAR player last year. Name me a 4th OF with a 5.0 WAR. Quick. Spew complete lack of baseball knowledge, get called on it, and whine about it.

Reality is a player like Nimmo is just what the Yankees need. Push Judge off leadoff for good. Get on base at a near .400 clip for the power bats. Play excellent defense. Manufacture runs


Ok. Made your point well. No go away to the super sensitive Mets thread where you belong.
Nobody cares!  
BigBlueShock : 12/9/2022 8:24 am : link
Stop cluttering this thread with your Brandon Nimmo jerkoff session. He’s on your team. Be happy and be gone.
Need Rodon to get done today.  
Heisenberg : 12/9/2022 8:28 am : link
Not as fired up to bring back Benintendi. But he'd also be a nice fit.

And banish Donaldson and IKF ferchrissakes
RE: Need Rodon to get done today.  
section125 : 12/9/2022 8:32 am : link
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Not as fired up to bring back Benintendi. But he'd also be a nice fit.

And banish Donaldson and IKF ferchrissakes


I'd like Benintendi back.

I can go with IKF as utility IF. But absolutely get rid of Hicks and Donaldson.

Hick defensive miscues and then the hangdog attitude should be all they need to know about who he is.

Absolutely get Rodon.
RE: Nimmo lifetime  
Greg from LI : 12/9/2022 8:59 am : link
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.827 OPS, .385 OBP

Bader .317 OBP, .723 OPS. .528 OPS with Yankees with .245 OBP

If Nimmo is a 4th OF, Bader is a AAA player


The .528 came in all of 14 games after being on the shelf for a few months. He was the only Yankee that hit worth a shit in the playoffs.

Nimmo's the better hitter, Bader's the better outfielder.
I just don't think theres any chance that Donaldson isn't our starting  
Kmed6000 : 12/9/2022 9:03 am : link
3B opening day. Cashman gave to get, he makes a lot of money and the 3 years prior to coming here he had an OPS of .900, .842 and.827 respectively. I don't think they will just write him off until he fails again(which he probably will), but he will get a chance to bounce back.
RE: I just don't think theres any chance that Donaldson isn't our starting  
section125 : 12/9/2022 9:22 am : link
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3B opening day. Cashman gave to get, he makes a lot of money and the 3 years prior to coming here he had an OPS of .900, .842 and.827 respectively. I don't think they will just write him off until he fails again(which he probably will), but he will get a chance to bounce back.


Meh, he could not catch up to the FB. So I doubt it gets much better.
He still has an excellent glove. Just as soon move on.
RE: RE: I just don't think theres any chance that Donaldson isn't our starting  
Kmed6000 : 12/9/2022 9:50 am : link
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3B opening day. Cashman gave to get, he makes a lot of money and the 3 years prior to coming here he had an OPS of .900, .842 and.827 respectively. I don't think they will just write him off until he fails again(which he probably will), but he will get a chance to bounce back.



Meh, he could not catch up to the FB. So I doubt it gets much better.
He still has an excellent glove. Just as soon move on.


My point wasn't what I would do, its what I believe the Yankees will do. They will give him the first crack at 3B until he fails again.
Haha. Well, that was easy.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/9/2022 12:17 pm : link
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Buster Olney  
Professor Falken : 12/9/2022 2:59 pm : link
says the Yanks are working on something big. Doesn't know what it is, but wild guess speculates Correa.
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shyster : 12/9/2022 3:16 pm : link
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Very plausible because there is so much uncertainty in the current infield situation.
Something's cooking  
Professor Falken : 12/9/2022 5:51 pm : link
"They are in on Rodon, but then I heard that there's something even bigger that they're working on" -
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3:53 PM · Dec 9, 2022

Ben Verlander
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa
Capt. Obvious here but  
bceagle05 : 12/9/2022 5:55 pm : link
Correa would be a monster addition, specifically for October. A lethal postseason player.
RE: Buster Olney  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/9/2022 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15939584 Professor Falken said:
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Ooooh boy!

What if it’s a trade for Burnes and Adames  
ajr2456 : 12/9/2022 6:28 pm : link
And that’s why they haven’t pulled the trigger on Rodon yet
RE: Something's cooking  
rich in DC : 12/9/2022 6:31 pm : link
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3:53 PM · Dec 9, 2022

Ben Verlander
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa


Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.
RE: RE: Something's cooking  
Semipro Lineman : 12/9/2022 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15939742 rich in DC said:
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Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.


And let's not forget that IKF defensive WAR was season was 1.9 while Correa was only 1.1. That's a serious downgrade of the middle of the field defense
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Correa?  
UConn4523 : 12/9/2022 7:18 pm : link
yuck, fuck that guy.
RE: RE: Something's cooking  
section125 : 12/9/2022 8:30 pm : link
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3:53 PM · Dec 9, 2022

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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa



Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.


rich they already have Cole and he was on that team and it is pretty obvious that Spider Tack was in use by him before it was banned.
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BigBlueShock : 12/9/2022 8:37 pm : link
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3:53 PM · Dec 9, 2022

Ben Verlander
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I have a sneaky feeling the Yankees are working on Carlos Correa



Why would the Yanks want Correa? A guy who was truly deep into the cheating scandal? THAT would DIVIDE the clubhouse.



rich they already have Cole and he was on that team and it is pretty obvious that Spider Tack was in use by him before it was banned.

Cole was not on the ‘17 Astros
I don't mind spending. In a day and age when San Diego is begging  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/9/2022 8:49 pm : link
people to take 300M off their hands, the Yanks becoming the big bad spenders again is not a bad thing.

But, Correa? When you have two SS prospects knocking on the door? Formerly of the hated Astros?

Why? Can't we have a plan?
Working on something big?  
The_Boss : 12/9/2022 9:54 pm : link
Ohtani?

Nah..they’re probably looking to bring back El Gary..
the baseless speculation at the moment  
Greg from LI : 12/9/2022 11:51 pm : link
is it's Tatis
Tommy Kahnle  
Eman11 : 12/10/2022 7:26 am : link
Saw the Yanks have signed him to a two year deal.

Glad to have him back in the pen and hope he’s back to his pre injury form. Would be a big plus if he can reach that level again.
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