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GBN Draft Report: Pre-Christmas 3-Round Projection (12/21)

M.S. : 12/22/2022 9:57 am

A reminder from our friends at Great Blue North Draft Report: "...here is our annual pre-Christmas 3-round projection for the first two days of the 2023 draft... (our mock draft is meant to) give people something of an idea as to what players are likely to be available at different points in the draft based on the latest intel."

Giants have the 24th, 56th, 88th and 99th selections, taking WR, CB, WR and RB respectively. Technically, since Miami has forfeited its pick at #23, all of the Giants selections are actually one spot higher than listed above. The name that catches my eye is WR Rashee Rice out of SMU who is mocked to the Colts in Round Two at #38. I'd take this guy every time over the WR mocked to the Giants at 24.

Overall, 51 schools are represented, with 8 schools placing four or more prospects (totaling 40% of all draftees):

Alabama 8
Georgia 6
Ohio State 6
Iowa 4
Maryland 4
Michigan 4
TCU 4
Tennessee 4

Wide receiver leads all positions with 15 prospects, which is a good thing considering the Giants current roster. And the top four positions (WR, OT, DE and CB) comprise over 50% of all prospects in this 3-Round Mock:

WR 15
OT 14
DE 13
CB 12
QB 8
DT 6
LB 6
TE 6
RB 5
FS 4
OG 4
C 2
ER 2
G/T 1
SS 1


GBN 3-Round Mock - ( New Window )
Lol  
BigBlueShock : 12/22/2022 10:03 am : link
Carolina going RB in the top 10 again? I highly doubt that.

Also, WR seems to be moving up in these mocks. There is a good chance there aren’t any 1st round graded WR left when the Giants pick.
Don't watch college  
mfjmfj : 12/22/2022 10:05 am : link
football so I don't know the players, but I like the positions we took. Still need some linebackers and maybe an IOL, but those are best gotten in free agency rather than premium picks.

I am surprised to see Anthony Richardson mocked so high. My son goes to Florida, and he says AR is not yet a quarterback. Lots of skills, but who knows if he ever gets there.
I could see that, but I think they take a center in the 3rd, unless  
81_Great_Dane : 12/22/2022 10:12 am : link
they are very sure that Gates or someone else already on the team will be their center of the future.
I'd luv to hear that the Giants actually got Hyatt, but I expect he's  
Ira : 12/22/2022 10:17 am : link
going to go much earlier than projected.
Like Rice also  
jeff57 : 12/22/2022 10:18 am : link
But think he's more of a mid-second rounder.
they obviously see the Giants need for WRs  
Dr. D : 12/22/2022 10:20 am : link
I'd be happy with 2 WRs and a CB in the first 3 rds.
I agree with 3 of 4 positions selected  
MarvelousMike : 12/22/2022 10:21 am : link
as I don't know enough about college players. I like the double dipping at WR within the first three rounds. Don't know if going RB with second 3rd rounder as I think a Center or ILB would be more probable.
Witherspoon would be a great pick at 56  
jeff57 : 12/22/2022 10:21 am : link
But I think he will go higher. A decent chance he goes in the first round.
RE: Lol  
M.S. : 12/22/2022 10:22 am : link
In comment 15958945 BigBlueShock said:
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Carolina going RB in the top 10 again? I highly doubt that.

Also, WR seems to be moving up in these mocks. There is a good chance there aren’t any 1st round graded WR left when the Giants pick.

I know RB is one of those positions downgraded in the draft, and RB HOFers have fallen out of Round One, but I honestly cannot see Bijan Robinson falling out of the Top 10 in this Draft.
I would hope that the Giants could draft Jack Campbell in the 3rd  
Rick in Dallas : 12/22/2022 10:22 am : link
He is a run thumper at ILB
Love the Chase Brown pick especially if Barkley is let go this offseason
RE: I could see that, but I think they take a center in the 3rd, unless  
Pepe LePugh : 12/22/2022 10:22 am : link
In comment 15958960 81_Great_Dane said:
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they are very sure that Gates or someone else already on the team will be their center of the future.


Yeah, that RB pick with late third seems out of place. I can see IOL, but I think TE makes more sense. Could also make a case for ILB or DT as more likely than RB here.
RE: I would hope that the Giants could draft Jack Campbell in the 3rd  
jeff57 : 12/22/2022 10:26 am : link
In comment 15958980 Rick in Dallas said:
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He is a run thumper at ILB
Love the Chase Brown pick especially if Barkley is let go this offseason


Campbell likely won't last that long. Would have to take him the second, if he lasts that long.
Missing Drew Sanders by 1 pick  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/22/2022 10:40 am : link
would suck.

Chase Brown would be a fabulous get though.
...  
ryanmkeane : 12/22/2022 10:40 am : link
love Hyatt, i wouldn't think we go RB in round 3 particularly if Barkley is still on the team
I like the draft projection a lot  
DavidinBMNY : 12/22/2022 10:43 am : link
But I can't see the first 4 picks all going to skill positions.
Buffalo had a history of adding to the lines of scrimmage. If they traded out 1 of those 4 for DL or OL thats an upgrade to the depth we have now, I'd buy that.
RE: I would hope that the Giants could draft Jack Campbell in the 3rd  
M.S. : 12/22/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15958980 Rick in Dallas said:
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He is a run thumper at ILB
Love the Chase Brown pick especially if Barkley is let go this offseason

Captain Jack is awesome! We don’t have anything like him on current roster. Would love this guy in 3rd Round!!!
Definitely strange having to  
Bill in UT : 12/22/2022 10:53 am : link
scroll that far down to come to the Giants' picks. 4 QBs in top 7. Assuming the other 3 position players in top 7 are studs, it would be pretty pricey for NY to try to move up for a QB
RE: I'd luv to hear that the Giants actually got Hyatt, but I expect he's  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/22/2022 10:57 am : link
Ira said:
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going to go much earlier than projected.
GBN is probably factoring in the "one-year wonder" risk, which is real - especially for a receiver who may not be built to take a pounding. You can even make a case that Hyatt is a one-game wonder. Granted, it was one hell of a game.
Don't like it  
kelly : 12/22/2022 11:25 am : link
We beat Washington in the trenches. I would go WR and then some combination of DT, ILB, IOL for ,my first 4 picks.

Than 4-7 would go WR, CB, TE, RB

It also depends on free agency pick ups.

Our ILB situation is worse than our receiver situation.
RE: Like Rice also  
Breeze_94 : 12/22/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15958969 jeff57 said:
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But think he's more of a mid-second rounder.


Rice is a guy that the social media scouts love. Have a feeling the NFL won’t be as high on him- here’s a few reasons

- SMU plays an air raid style offense. Stats are inflated which helped Rices production stand out
- Rice breakout came at Age 24 against non P5 competition. He’ll be a 25 YO rookie.
- He’s not a great separator and a bit raw (offense doesn’t run many NFL route concepts)

I’d rather have Hyatt, Tillman, Zay Flowers, Downs and Mims
RE: Don't like it  
Pepe LePugh : 12/22/2022 11:52 am : link
In comment 15959100 kelly said:
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We beat Washington in the trenches. I would go WR and then some combination of DT, ILB, IOL for ,my first 4 picks.

Our ILB situation is worse than our receiver situation.


Disagree with the last conclusion.
After cutting Golladay, the only WRs under contract next year are Robinson, and Colin Johnson for a premium position. Add Sill and Hodgins as ERFA.
ILB has Beavers, McFadden, Cam Brown, and Coughlin for what is often a 2 down position.
I like Hyatt  
Amtoft : 12/22/2022 12:03 pm : link
but I am not sure Cedric Tillman isn't the better WR from Tenn. Honestly if the draft fell like this I am moving up and taking Tillman and then come away with Hyatt and Tillman!
RE: I like the draft projection a lot  
81_Great_Dane : 12/22/2022 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15959027 DavidinBMNY said:
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But I can't see the first 4 picks all going to skill positions.
Buffalo had a history of adding to the lines of scrimmage. If they traded out 1 of those 4 for DL or OL thats an upgrade to the depth we have now, I'd buy that.
Good point re skill positions. I agree that they will probably look for an IOL, probably a center, and possibly a DL/DT to eventually replace Leonard Williams.
Andre Carter  
Mike in NY : 12/22/2022 12:42 pm : link
If he is allowed to play that would be awfully tempting to be able to rotate him, Thibs, and Ojulari. We definitely need WR talent, but I am just not sure that one will be BPA if we are picking in the 24 range.
BPA  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/22/2022 12:47 pm : link
WR, IOL, ILB, corner. I also think some type of hybrid DE/DT will be in play. The run D has been very poor and agree about a replacement for Williams.

Lot depends I think what happens at QB. I can see a case where JS invests a lot in the D.
I would sign for those first three picks...  
bw in dc : 12/22/2022 1:00 pm : link
right now. That would be a great start to the draft.

Witherspoon is an excellent corner and should have a first-round grade. If he falls to the second, what a bargain.

And I think our WR corp would be hugely improved with Hyatt and Perry. Hyatt is a legit vertical threat with high end YAC ability. And Perry is a huge target in the redzone and moving the sticks.

Outside NYG, 4 QBs in the top ten is interesting. But not surprising. And Cam Ward in the second round would be an awesome QB investment for a team. I just don't know if he's declared yet...
Judging Solely By Position And Round  
Trainmaster : 12/22/2022 1:06 pm : link
I don’t like that mock.

1st round: should be BPA from IOL, CB or DL
2nd round: best WR, IOL, CB, DL or ILB
3rd A round: grab the what you didn’t get in 1st or 2nd
3rd B round: grab the what you didn’t get in 1st, 2nd or 3rd A

First 4 picks should include 4 or these 5 positions.
WR
IOL
DL
CB
ILB

RE: I would sign for those first three picks...  
Mike in NY : 12/22/2022 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15959243 bw in dc said:
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right now. That would be a great start to the draft.

Witherspoon is an excellent corner and should have a first-round grade. If he falls to the second, what a bargain.

And I think our WR corp would be hugely improved with Hyatt and Perry. Hyatt is a legit vertical threat with high end YAC ability. And Perry is a huge target in the redzone and moving the sticks.

Outside NYG, 4 QBs in the top ten is interesting. But not surprising. And Cam Ward in the second round would be an awesome QB investment for a team. I just don't know if he's declared yet...


I have been on the Cam Ward train since early on. He needs to redshirt as a rookie, but watching his progress as the season went on makes me think there is something there if you keep him behind a bridge QB.
RE: RE: I would sign for those first three picks...  
bw in dc : 12/22/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15959261 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15959243 bw in dc said:


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right now. That would be a great start to the draft.

Witherspoon is an excellent corner and should have a first-round grade. If he falls to the second, what a bargain.

And I think our WR corp would be hugely improved with Hyatt and Perry. Hyatt is a legit vertical threat with high end YAC ability. And Perry is a huge target in the redzone and moving the sticks.

Outside NYG, 4 QBs in the top ten is interesting. But not surprising. And Cam Ward in the second round would be an awesome QB investment for a team. I just don't know if he's declared yet...



I have been on the Cam Ward train since early on. He needs to redshirt as a rookie, but watching his progress as the season went on makes me think there is something there if you keep him behind a bridge QB.


Yeah, I've given you credit on other threads for bringing Ward to my attention. I'm a fan for sure.

He did not play well in their bowl game against Fresno State last week week. The entire WaZu team just slept walk through that game.
RE: RE: RE: I would sign for those first three picks...  
Mike in NY : 12/22/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15959272 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15959261 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 15959243 bw in dc said:


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right now. That would be a great start to the draft.

Witherspoon is an excellent corner and should have a first-round grade. If he falls to the second, what a bargain.

And I think our WR corp would be hugely improved with Hyatt and Perry. Hyatt is a legit vertical threat with high end YAC ability. And Perry is a huge target in the redzone and moving the sticks.

Outside NYG, 4 QBs in the top ten is interesting. But not surprising. And Cam Ward in the second round would be an awesome QB investment for a team. I just don't know if he's declared yet...



I have been on the Cam Ward train since early on. He needs to redshirt as a rookie, but watching his progress as the season went on makes me think there is something there if you keep him behind a bridge QB.



Yeah, I've given you credit on other threads for bringing Ward to my attention. I'm a fan for sure.

He did not play well in their bowl game against Fresno State last week week. The entire WaZu team just slept walk through that game.


I don't get too hyped either way for bowl games unless you are talking about teams playing for National Championship. Most of the time I don't even bother watching. I say teams playing for National Championship are different because it is a red flag if you are sleepwalking through that level of game.
RE: I like the draft projection a lot  
Dr. D : 12/22/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15959027 DavidinBMNY said:
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But I can't see the first 4 picks all going to skill positions.
Buffalo had a history of adding to the lines of scrimmage. If they traded out 1 of those 4 for DL or OL thats an upgrade to the depth we have now, I'd buy that.

Buffalo also traded multiple picks including a first rd for Diggs. They paid a HIGH price for that skill position.
No interior OL?!?  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/22/2022 2:19 pm : link
If the draft breaks out like this, I'd rather the Giants pick Charlie Jones (WR-Purdue) in the second and John Michael Schmitz (C - Minnesota) in the 3rd. And another interior OL with their 2nd 3rd-rounder.

RE: RE: RE: RE: I would sign for those first three picks...  
bw in dc : 12/22/2022 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15959279 Mike in NY said:
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I don't get too hyped either way for bowl games unless you are talking about teams playing for National Championship. Most of the time I don't even bother watching. I say teams playing for National Championship are different because it is a red flag if you are sleepwalking through that level of game.


Agreed. Bowls outside the current F4 are really a waste of time for the viewer/fan and the teams, quite frankly. They are exhibition games that have less meaning than ever in the college landscape. The attendance is brutal, and I have to imagine the ratings are equally as bad.

Thank God they are expanding the playoffs to 12 so we have 11 meaningful games.
RE: No interior OL?!?  
barens : 12/22/2022 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15959357 sb from NYT Forum said:
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If the draft breaks out like this, I'd rather the Giants pick Charlie Jones (WR-Purdue) in the second and John Michael Schmitz (C - Minnesota) in the 3rd. And another interior OL with their 2nd 3rd-rounder.


Would love Jones, and his teammate, TE La Porta in the 3rd round.

But overall, it's a nice looking draft.
RE: Judging Solely By Position And Round  
chick310 : 12/22/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15959256 Trainmaster said:
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I don’t like that mock.

1st round: should be BPA from IOL, CB or DL
2nd round: best WR, IOL, CB, DL or ILB
3rd A round: grab the what you didn’t get in 1st or 2nd
3rd B round: grab the what you didn’t get in 1st, 2nd or 3rd A

First 4 picks should include 4 or these 5 positions.
WR
IOL
DL
CB
ILB


I wouldn’t worry too much what GBN mocks suggest in DEC.

Or at all.
Projection  
Colin@gbn : 12/22/2022 4:21 pm : link
Thanks again for the plug M.S.; very much appreciated. Also very good comments along the way. And just as an aside M.S. we actually had Rice penciled in for the Giants in an early version but settled on Hyatt who appears to have a little higher grade these. Fact is it appears that WR will be a real strength this year with as many as a half dozen guys who could figure in in the 20-25 range including Hyatt, Rice, Flowers, Tillman and Downs. The other interesting thing about the WRs is that could be pretty decent prospects at the position in each of the three rounds. I believe one cold make the case that because WR is such a pressing issue that the Giants could quite literally take a receiver with each of their top 4 picks!

What the depth at the position could do though is free up the Giants to take another player in the first and then load up on WRs on day two as I am not sure there is that big a talent gap between the guys you'd get at #1 with what you'd get at #s 2-3. In putting together this mock we did look rather longingly at a couple of defensive players in Arkansas LB Drew Sanders and USC DE Tuli Tuipolatu, both of whom are really good prospects who would fit nicely with the D. We also looked at hybrid type DE/DTs in the later rounds but didn't see the pass rush value there.

I always hate to say never but I am not sure the Giants will use a lot of draft capital on the OL this year. They have a lot of guys coming back next year and I would think any issues on the IOL especially could more efficiently filled with mid-priced veteran FAs. We kind of feel the same way about ILBs. If you don't get one in the first or second round you aren't likely to find one who is more than a depth/rotational guy. Time will tell.

I thought the Chase Brown pick would get a little more comment. I really think the Giants need a complimentary back to work with saquon to take some of the load. Brown is also a very good receiver. The only hesitation I had there was there were still some very good backs on the board at that time and the Giants could quite likely still get a good one in the 4th.



The one IOL we might be tempted by though might be O'Cyrus Torrence if he were available in the first; he's just that good a player.
If Jones walks  
BigBlueCane : 12/22/2022 4:25 pm : link
then Duggans will be the guy, he checks all the boxes.
Colin  
Pepe LePugh : 12/22/2022 4:27 pm : link
Thanks for your input. And condolences for the loss of your associate Larry Parker.
RE: RE: Judging Solely By Position And Round  
Colin@gbn : 12/22/2022 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15959485 chick310 said:

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I wouldn’t worry too much what GBN mocks suggest in DEC.

Or at all.


I am simply going to assume that Chick didn't read the actual intro to the projection on our website which reads:

"And, as we always like to point out when posting a mock, the real value of a projection is not that we are going to tell readers which particular player a specific team is going to select at any one point in the draft. Certainly, not a full four months before the draft. What a mock will do though is give people something of an idea as to what players are likely to be available at different points in the draft based on the latest intel."
L.P.  
Colin@gbn : 12/22/2022 4:52 pm : link
And yes thank you Pepe and everyone else who has expressed their sympathies. We have known it was coming for awhile but it was still a shock. Larry was an absolute walking encyclopedia of college football information and he was a really nice guy.
RE: If Jones walks  
bw in dc : 12/22/2022 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15959503 BigBlueCane said:
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then Duggans will be the guy, he checks all the boxes.


Like the out-of-the-box thinking, just can't support who you landed on...
Colin@gbn  
M.S. : 12/22/2022 8:32 pm : link

My pleasure!
If went like that  
Carl in CT : 12/23/2022 6:49 am : link
I’d take Ringo in round 1
What a shame Jones never had an OL to help him produce numbers  
SGMen : 12/23/2022 8:16 am : link
I don't think any of these QB's are "Elite 8" types even Bryce Young. So we will stock with Jones rather than reach for a QB in round 1.

I believe Barkley will walk and we won't be spending big money in UFA so a comp #3 for him?

We need OL, WR, RB, CB and even DL.
SGMen  
Toth029 : 12/23/2022 2:15 pm : link
Glaring hole on defense is at ILB. Corner needs help but they've been hit on injuries.
bw  
BigBlueCane : 12/24/2022 11:12 am : link
Duggan is a multi year starter, who is mobile, has a decent arm and does not appear to have a personality off the field.

Which makes him a perfect fit for this team.
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