1 td and one pick. I can't kill Jones for one errant throw in 42 attempts. Clearly he did enough today but once again the cast around him came up short. You have to be encouraged by his performance today.
6’5” athlete with arm talent to get ball in tight windows, a threat to run, a quarterback who is finally flourishing under good coaching, who continues to debunk criticisms of him.
Darius Slayton, Richie James and Isaiah Hodges putting up numbers. I think he is making the guys around him better. It would be nice to see him with a pair of “Stud Recievers” like they have in Philly, Cincy, Miami and a few other places…
He’ll have a price for Jones, but where are the alternatives? I’ve had my concerns about Jones, but he was really good today.
You want to move off Jones for Derek Carr?
Garoppolo?
Jones isn’t Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert or Lawrence. But, he’s also better than quite a few QB’s too. If Schoen moves off Jones and doesn’t solve QB quickly, he’s going to lose a lot of trust among NYG fans. It’s easy for me to say, move off him and find a better talent, but these QB’s don’t grow on trees.
Does Schoen think Jones is a stud? I don’t know. I think he’ll have a price for him, but it’s getting harder for me to see a scenario where he isn’t back.
RE: When it comes to football I'm extremely superstitious
So when they opened up the game boasting about how Jones hasn't thrown an interception in a while I immediately knew he was going to before it was over
Darius Slayton, Richie James and Isaiah Hodges putting up numbers. I think he is making the guys around him better. It would be nice to see him with a pair of “Stud Recievers” like they have in Philly, Cincy, Miami and a few other places…
Just ONE stud like WR would do wonders for this offense.
Darius Slayton, Richie James and Isaiah Hodges putting up numbers. I think he is making the guys around him better. It would be nice to see him with a pair of “Stud Recievers” like they have in Philly, Cincy, Miami and a few other places…
This is what I have been thinking. Jones does elevate a team, he has helped a poor roster perform like an average one, and with the coaching they are getting, the team is playing above even that.
Give Jones an average roster, and he'll help them play like a good one, and the coaching will tune that up into a very good team.
And hopefully in 2-3 years, he'll be playing with a really good roster.
Every QB has their warts, Jones has some really nice strengths to go with his.
very flawed. The Vikings cannot defend the pass. They suck. I am willing to bet the all 22 will show a lot of plays left on the field. ( the next time Jones leads a receiver across the middle will be the first time)
Looks like you’ve painted yourself into a corner on this one…
due to MONEY, I promise you that as quickly as you can say "The Meadowlands," the Giants will take several steps backwards next season and come nowhere near their 2022 win-total.
Depend upon it.You are spot on! If they let Jones walk we will be seeing a parade of used up qb's like Ryan, Flacco, Wilson et al and drafting a qb every 2 or 3 years and years of losing football!
In my opinion, DJ clearly outplayed Cousins today. Maybe that isn’t saying much, but give DJ weapons like Cousins has and I think a lot of people would quickly change their opinion of him.
He’s flawed but you can win with him. Needs much better weapons. They are fielding a starting group of WRs that would be 5/6/PS on almost every other team in the league. Bellinger may be decent down road but he still has a way to go. Barkley is excellent but backs are the most interchangeable. Would like to see Jones back on a reasonable deal. Load up on WRs in FA/draft. They need weapons.
And the OL is still not fixed. It’s serviceable but we still need more road graters.
very flawed. The Vikings cannot defend the pass. They suck. I am willing to bet the all 22 will show a lot of plays left on the field. ( the next time Jones leads a receiver across the middle will be the first time ) Kafka has done an excellent job scheming these guys open and everyone is bitching about him. Get all the “weapons” you want, you will all be here next season bitching about the o line and the receivers and ignoring the common denominator.
Man, I really wish I could have spent Christmas Eve with you, you must be a hell of a lot of fun!
And tell me jones can’t go through his reads. His eyes slowly go from the goal
line to the back of the EZ before he throws an absolute seed to hodgins.
Three guys on offense that are more talented than the one on one defender in the open field, those 3 are Thomas, Barkley and jones. Everyone else, even belinger, who probably has a nice future here, is getting by on guile and guts. God bless them for that, truly, I love these guys, but the only guys better than most defenders are those 3. The rest are vulnerable. Beatable or covetable one on one. Thomas destroys his man nearly every play. Barkley and jones make plays on their own. That’s it. It’s impossible to not see this unless you’re trying to reinvent the wheel with this fine tooth comb analysis on Jones.
It used to be too many turnovers. Then it was not enough wins. He’s all but buried those if he can win next week. Now some are saying progressions and reads are his issue. Yea ok. Leaving plays on the field. And how many good
plays is he making? It’s a lot more good than bad.
Someone noted this before. It is not only that this group is worse than 10 NCAA teams, they can’t beat 1 on 1 coverage. Jones so many times has to throw into tight windows or have Hodgins make a great catch. His WR are also slow. Slayton is fast straight line only
Jefferson is open by 5 yards when doubled. Dallas/Philly game had guys open all over
is getting better all the time. He is the QB of the future and if we let him go we can expect to be last next year. Have you watched some of the other QBs hell even Kurt Cousins he tried to loss but the Giants dropped the ball. Wrs and TE dropped the ball the James drop was a first down big drop. Fumbles cost us points. I don't understand what you think we are going to find at QB that is as good or better than Jones. We are playing with a lot of really young players and Jones is keeping it together. Yes he threw an Int that will happen once in a while. I am happy to see us playing playoff type football with a team I did not expect this from.
very flawed. The Vikings cannot defend the pass. They suck. I am willing to bet the all 22 will show a lot of plays left on the field. ( the next time Jones leads a receiver across the middle will be the first time)
Looks like you’ve painted yourself into a corner on this one…
to receive a multi-year deal. You can always consider other options if you are Daboll & Schoen. But can you imagine having to prioritize getting a QB, as well as adding 2 wide receivers ? Starting over with the QB and waiting ,probably, 3 seasons until that quarterback is playing as well as Daniel is right now ? Moving up costing you draft picks ?
I will say this : Daboll was decidedly muted in his appraisal of Jones in his post-game presser . He’s actually usually praising 8 after the game . Instead Jones received the “He did some good things “ comment . It’s obvious that Dabes is very pissed after losses , especially after those he thinks he should have won . Like Parcells in that regard . I wouldn’t , therefore , put too much emphasis on that .
In my opinion, DJ clearly outplayed Cousins today. Maybe that isn’t saying much, but give DJ weapons like Cousins has and I think a lot of people would quickly change their opinion of him.
If you switch just James for any of the Vikings top 3 receivers, Giants win. Doesn't even have to be Jefferson.
Dak, Jalen and Joe Cool get bailed out by hero catches
When they had to have it. Perfect placement with pressure in his face. Incredible play. Give him credit a lesser QB doesn’t make that throw or it gets picked
When they had to have it. Perfect placement with pressure in his face. Incredible play. Give him credit a lesser QB doesn’t make that throw or it gets picked
is going to be to stop wasting time trying to convince the Jones haters. If they can't see the difference between Richie James vs. a real #1 WR like Jefferson and the difference that makes for a QB (separation, dependable hands, etc), that's their problem. They can debate with themselves, until they become masters at it.
I’m not even going to ding him on the INT, we can quibble that the throw was a tad behind, but it was a good decision and a decent enough throw. Peterson just made a terrific play. He gets paid too.
Good, quick decision making, accurate throws, I think he’s earning his 2nd contract. The only question is, at what cost?
very flawed. The Vikings cannot defend the pass. They suck. I am willing to bet the all 22 will show a lot of plays left on the field. ( the next time Jones leads a receiver across the middle will be the first time)
Looks like you’ve painted yourself into a corner on this one…
or maybe, just maybe......
“…maybe, just maybe…..” cannot possibly apply the HJ’s statement “..(the next time…will be the first). That’s just incorrect. Quick slants have been a staple all year. Witness the one to Hodgins yesterday that was absolutely threaded. Hodgins did a great job holding on to the ball, but the pass was through a mouse hole.
The difference between winning and losing this game was Flott dropping int -which led to a TD, blocked punt which led to a TD, R. James drop which would have been a 1st and 10. Jones int could take 3 off the board. Flott and the punt were 14 total.
Minn scored on a 3rd down with a great Hockenson catch and a 3rd down to Jefferson - top 3 WR in game.
Giants promising TE fumbled and their WR dropped the ball
Yards 15, completion % 10, avg yards 25, TD 23, INT 1-tie, QBR 12, Passer Rating 17, rushing yards 3 which averages out to 13.3.
Factor in he has one of the worst pass blocking OLs--sacked the 3rd most while being one of the more mobile QBs--and he has mostly inexperienced practice squad WRs and you get surprise, surprise:
Yards 15, completion % 10, avg yards 25, TD 23, INT 1-tie, QBR 12, Passer Rating 17, rushing yards 3 which averages out to 13.3.
Factor in he has one of the worst pass blocking OLs--sacked the 3rd most while being one of the more mobile QBs--and he has mostly inexperienced practice squad WRs and you get surprise, surprise:
DJ is a top ten QB
The only way I could subscribe to the notion that Jones is a Top 10 QB if the difference between #10 and guys between #11-#20 is very little.
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Yards 15, completion % 10, avg yards 25, TD 23, INT 1-tie, QBR 12, Passer Rating 17, rushing yards 3 which averages out to 13.3.
Factor in he has one of the worst pass blocking OLs--sacked the 3rd most while being one of the more mobile QBs--and he has mostly inexperienced practice squad WRs and you get surprise, surprise:
DJ is a top ten QB
The only way I could subscribe to the notion that Jones is a Top 10 QB if the difference between #10 and guys between #11-#20 is very little.
The difference is probably consistency more than anything else. The top 5 is another story. I don't see DJ getting there. I mean, that would be absolutely shocking!
There is nothing DJ does that can't be duplicated by Brissett, Mayfield, Minshew or a handful of other qb's. Reality will hit around contract time when his offer is in line with what they are going to get.
And the "weapons" argument falls apart when you consider Barkley is a top 5 back both rushing and receiving (except receiving yards and td-quelle surprise with this qb), Engram is posting numbers elsewhere not seen since his rookie year when Eli was his qb, and Galloway has been transformed from a multi year 1000+ yard receiver into a disgruntled non-entity who wants out. Giving DJ more "weapons" is like shoveling flies across the room.
At least James can get open, heh.
6’5” athlete with arm talent to get ball in tight windows, a threat to run, a quarterback who is finally flourishing under good coaching, who continues to debunk criticisms of him.
Yea, a stud. On you if you can’t see it
You want to move off Jones for Derek Carr?
Garoppolo?
Jones isn’t Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert or Lawrence. But, he’s also better than quite a few QB’s too. If Schoen moves off Jones and doesn’t solve QB quickly, he’s going to lose a lot of trust among NYG fans. It’s easy for me to say, move off him and find a better talent, but these QB’s don’t grow on trees.
Does Schoen think Jones is a stud? I don’t know. I think he’ll have a price for him, but it’s getting harder for me to see a scenario where he isn’t back.
Same here.
Just ONE stud like WR would do wonders for this offense.
He’ll, even a #2 caliber WR would be great
This is what I have been thinking. Jones does elevate a team, he has helped a poor roster perform like an average one, and with the coaching they are getting, the team is playing above even that.
Give Jones an average roster, and he'll help them play like a good one, and the coaching will tune that up into a very good team.
And hopefully in 2-3 years, he'll be playing with a really good roster.
Every QB has their warts, Jones has some really nice strengths to go with his.
very flawed. The Vikings cannot defend the pass. They suck. I am willing to bet the all 22 will show a lot of plays left on the field. ( the next time Jones leads a receiver across the middle will be the first time)
Looks like you’ve painted yourself into a corner on this one…
Lol - no mention of the drops. Of course.
due to MONEY, I promise you that as quickly as you can say "The Meadowlands," the Giants will take several steps backwards next season and come nowhere near their 2022 win-total.
Depend upon it.You are spot on! If they let Jones walk we will be seeing a parade of used up qb's like Ryan, Flacco, Wilson et al and drafting a qb every 2 or 3 years and years of losing football!
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The INT sucked and he missed a few throws, had a few decision lapses in the pocket, but produced many more positive plays.
Lol - no mention of the drops. Of course.
There were drops, and there were a few missed throws
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The INT sucked and he missed a few throws, had a few decision lapses in the pocket, but produced many more positive plays.
Lol - no mention of the drops. Of course.
There were drops, and there were a few missed throws
Yes, you already mentioned the missed throws. But you conveniently left out the drops.
If you’re going to paint a picture, you should paint the ENTIRE picture.
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He’s flawed but you can win with him. Needs much better weapons. They are fielding a starting group of WRs that would be 5/6/PS on almost every other team in the league. Bellinger may be decent down road but he still has a way to go. Barkley is excellent but backs are the most interchangeable. Would like to see Jones back on a reasonable deal. Load up on WRs in FA/draft. They need weapons.
And the OL is still not fixed. It’s serviceable but we still need more road graters.
very flawed. The Vikings cannot defend the pass. They suck. I am willing to bet the all 22 will show a lot of plays left on the field. ( the next time Jones leads a receiver across the middle will be the first time ) Kafka has done an excellent job scheming these guys open and everyone is bitching about him. Get all the “weapons” you want, you will all be here next season bitching about the o line and the receivers and ignoring the common denominator.
Man, I really wish I could have spent Christmas Eve with you, you must be a hell of a lot of fun!
Yawn.. Richie James, Isaiah Hodgins, Darius Slayton - not exactly Burress, Toomer, Smith or Nicks, Cruz and Manningham..
line to the back of the EZ before he throws an absolute seed to hodgins.
Three guys on offense that are more talented than the one on one defender in the open field, those 3 are Thomas, Barkley and jones. Everyone else, even belinger, who probably has a nice future here, is getting by on guile and guts. God bless them for that, truly, I love these guys, but the only guys better than most defenders are those 3. The rest are vulnerable. Beatable or covetable one on one. Thomas destroys his man nearly every play. Barkley and jones make plays on their own. That’s it. It’s impossible to not see this unless you’re trying to reinvent the wheel with this fine tooth comb analysis on Jones.
It used to be too many turnovers. Then it was not enough wins. He’s all but buried those if he can win next week. Now some are saying progressions and reads are his issue. Yea ok. Leaving plays on the field. And how many good
plays is he making? It’s a lot more good than bad.
+1
Right like so many others that have on our past few teams
Jefferson is open by 5 yards when doubled. Dallas/Philly game had guys open all over
https://www.footballdb.com/players/daniel-jones-jonesda20/300-yard-passing-games - ( New Window )
very flawed. The Vikings cannot defend the pass. They suck. I am willing to bet the all 22 will show a lot of plays left on the field. ( the next time Jones leads a receiver across the middle will be the first time)
Looks like you’ve painted yourself into a corner on this one…
or maybe, just maybe......
Man, I wish there was a thumbs up feature on this board..
I will say this : Daboll was decidedly muted in his appraisal of Jones in his post-game presser . He’s actually usually praising 8 after the game . Instead Jones received the “He did some good things “ comment . It’s obvious that Dabes is very pissed after losses , especially after those he thinks he should have won . Like Parcells in that regard . I wouldn’t , therefore , put too much emphasis on that .
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The INT sucked and he missed a few throws, had a few decision lapses in the pocket, but produced many more positive plays.
Lol - no mention of the drops. Of course.
There were drops, and there were a few missed throws
Yes, you already mentioned the missed throws. But you conveniently left out the drops.
If you’re going to paint a picture, you should paint the ENTIRE picture.
I was talking about Jones, not the receivers, obviously.
If you switch just James for any of the Vikings top 3 receivers, Giants win. Doesn't even have to be Jefferson.
We also dropped like 3 INTs yesterday.
Good, quick decision making, accurate throws, I think he’s earning his 2nd contract. The only question is, at what cost?
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I’ve never known you to be agenda driven.
very flawed. The Vikings cannot defend the pass. They suck. I am willing to bet the all 22 will show a lot of plays left on the field. ( the next time Jones leads a receiver across the middle will be the first time)
Looks like you’ve painted yourself into a corner on this one…
or maybe, just maybe......
“…maybe, just maybe…..” cannot possibly apply the HJ’s statement “..(the next time…will be the first). That’s just incorrect. Quick slants have been a staple all year. Witness the one to Hodgins yesterday that was absolutely threaded. Hodgins did a great job holding on to the ball, but the pass was through a mouse hole.
Guarantee you he would point to the same few plays and say QB has to make them. Must. Difference between win or lose.
Minn scored on a 3rd down with a great Hockenson catch and a 3rd down to Jefferson - top 3 WR in game.
Giants promising TE fumbled and their WR dropped the ball
Can you clarify? You mean Daboll isn’t sold on DJ being a franchise QB? Please confirm.
Factor in he has one of the worst pass blocking OLs--sacked the 3rd most while being one of the more mobile QBs--and he has mostly inexperienced practice squad WRs and you get surprise, surprise:
DJ is a top ten QB
Factor in he has one of the worst pass blocking OLs--sacked the 3rd most while being one of the more mobile QBs--and he has mostly inexperienced practice squad WRs and you get surprise, surprise:
DJ is a top ten QB
The only way I could subscribe to the notion that Jones is a Top 10 QB if the difference between #10 and guys between #11-#20 is very little.
Dalton 20/28, 71% comp, 236 yards, 8.4 YPA, 1/0 TD/INT, 62 QBR
Fields 15/21, 71% comp, 208 yards, 9.9 YPA, 1/0 TD/INT, 80 QBR
MJones 28/39, 72% comp, 382 yards, 9.8 YPA, 2/0 TD/INT, 59 QBR
So, while DJones played well Saturday, this supports the POV that Minnesota's pass defense has been generous to a lot of QBs this year.
your ass is top ten?! LOL Maybe I should have written "Potential top ten."
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Yards 15, completion % 10, avg yards 25, TD 23, INT 1-tie, QBR 12, Passer Rating 17, rushing yards 3 which averages out to 13.3.
Factor in he has one of the worst pass blocking OLs--sacked the 3rd most while being one of the more mobile QBs--and he has mostly inexperienced practice squad WRs and you get surprise, surprise:
DJ is a top ten QB
The only way I could subscribe to the notion that Jones is a Top 10 QB if the difference between #10 and guys between #11-#20 is very little.
The difference is probably consistency more than anything else. The top 5 is another story. I don't see DJ getting there. I mean, that would be absolutely shocking!
There is nothing DJ does that can't be duplicated by Brissett, Mayfield, Minshew or a handful of other qb's. Reality will hit around contract time when his offer is in line with what they are going to get.
And the "weapons" argument falls apart when you consider Barkley is a top 5 back both rushing and receiving (except receiving yards and td-quelle surprise with this qb), Engram is posting numbers elsewhere not seen since his rookie year when Eli was his qb, and Galloway has been transformed from a multi year 1000+ yard receiver into a disgruntled non-entity who wants out. Giving DJ more "weapons" is like shoveling flies across the room.
Would like to see more games like this.