Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN
Kayvon Thibodeaux, asked about Colts HC Jeff Saturday ripping his celebration:
“I don’t know who he is. So I’m not really too concerned about people who comment on me & I don’t know them.”
He says he’s paid to be a savage & sack QBs
Thibodeaux hopes Nick Foles gets better
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has acted like an ass during this. This doesn't mean he committed the worst sin, but lets be real about what he did.
How is he acting like an ass?
As I said yesterday, I think his sack celebrations are lame, but no one complains when Lawrence does his sack dance.
What's the ass part?
It was that a guy was hurt and he was doing snow flakes for a while next to him. Then, when he knew how bad it was he was mocking him for putting him to sleep. Instead of taking the high road and saying I get the criticism etc, he played the "whose he" game with Jeff Saturday. That is a acting like an ass in my book. Doesn't mean he is the worst person in the world or a jerk or a bad guy etc, but it is not a good look in my book. I have acted like an ass before in my life and I don't think I am necessarily a bad person. But when I act like one, I would like to think I can say it and admit it.
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and they told a Thibs story from when they visited training camp this summer. Thibs told them he had seven minutes for an interview, gave them nothing, left after five minutes and went off on someone from the Giants communications department on his way out. Not a huge deal but we can acknowledge he's a bit of an ass.
I'm old enough to remember Lawrence Taylor almost physically assaulting a photographer on the sideline.
I love LT but suddenly he is the moral example we are holding people up to? Also, wasn't it LT waving the medical people on the field when he sacked Theisman--not doing a dumb dance?
“Saturday? I only care about Sunday.”
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Kayvon doesn't understand the difference between being a savage and being an asshole.
Nah.
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funnier if he said, "I don't care if Jeff Wednesday said something about me!" In a Mohammed Ali voice.
“Saturday? I only care about Sunday.”
4 teams have to care about this Saturday.
:)
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Here is what happened.
(1) KT sacks the QB, which was a key moment in the game.
(2) KT celebrates immediately without knowing the QB is hurt.
(3) Fans are turned off by the celebration because it occurs right next to the injured QB and "looks bad" even though KT doesn't know the QB is hurt.
(4) QB is knocked out of the game, but we later learn the rib injury isn't really that bad. Guy may have had the breath knocked out of him.
(5) KT is spotted on sideline making a gesture that seems to indicate that he is still happy about making the play and hitting the QB hard.
(6) KT apologizes after game.
(7) Head Coach of Colts calls KT trash (despite fact his own player tried to actually hurt Daniel Jones).
(8) KT is asked about HC calling him trash and KT basically tells him to fuck off.
(9) We have Giants fans here who still want KT to issue some sort of genuflecting apology despite the fact the QB wasn't really hurt and the HC called him trash.
This is where we are at right now.
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In comment 15978439 Pete in MD said:
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funnier if he said, "I don't care if Jeff Wednesday said something about me!" In a Mohammed Ali voice.
“Saturday? I only care about Sunday.”
4 teams have to care about this Saturday.
:)
Haha, semantics be damned!
I for one hope our Defense gets back to that!
I thought the snow angel was a sucky celebration. If this outcry is what kills it, good deal. Problem is 22 year old me would make the snow angel my sack celebration for the rest of the year!
Isn't it somewhat refreshing though to have a heated discussion that doesn't boil down to whether or not posters think Daniel Jones is good or stinks?
I love LT but suddenly he is the moral example we are holding people up to? Also, wasn't it LT waving the medical people on the field when he sacked Theisman--not doing a dumb dance?
Yes it was, and do you know why?
It's because LT *knew Theisman was injured.*
It's better to lose with sweethearts who do and say the right thing.
You know what KT did wrong?
Apologize after the game.
He didn't do anything wrong.
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In comment 15978733 bceagle05 said:
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and they told a Thibs story from when they visited training camp this summer. Thibs told them he had seven minutes for an interview, gave them nothing, left after five minutes and went off on someone from the Giants communications department on his way out. Not a huge deal but we can acknowledge he's a bit of an ass.
I'm old enough to remember Lawrence Taylor almost physically assaulting a photographer on the sideline.
I love LT but suddenly he is the moral example we are holding people up to? Also, wasn't it LT waving the medical people on the field when he sacked Theisman--not doing a dumb dance?
Yes, because he knew he was fucking hurt, and the injury was a bone sticking out of a leg not getting the wind knocked out of him. How is this eluding you?
It's better to lose with sweethearts who do and say the right thing.
You know what KT did wrong?
Apologize after the game.
He didn't do anything wrong.
Unless I missed the full quote, I don't think he really did apologize. He said he didn't know Foles was injured, which explains why an apology isn't actually necessary.
Holy crap.
I love LT but suddenly he is the moral example we are holding people up to? Also, wasn't it LT waving the medical people on the field when he sacked Theisman--not doing a dumb dance?
He shouldn't be, but the Giant trot him out there to be the host of the pregame party and he is beloved by fans despite FAR FAR more outrageous and immoral things. There should be nowhere near the indignant finger wagging and apology demanding because Nick Foles fell on the pointy end of a football.
If you did not watch that game you would think KT was standing over a player who was bleeding out on the field and doing pelvic thrusts.
This has been so much loud nothing.
Like him or hate him, he nails it.
He also had more commentary on this topic in the Football Life special.
You work so hard all week in practice, celebrate your successes.
I do think people on here dig in their heels on the fringes and make things extreme. You could be totally fine with Thibodeaux being excited and celebrating the play, but also think doing snow angels next to the body of the guy you just murdered may be a bit unnecessary (intentional exaggeration for the mouth breathers). Seriously, his apology was more than enough. I wish he just dropped it there and said no comment afterwards. Keep doing what he does on the field and celebrate how he feels like celebrating (within the rules).
but if you think that you are branded "you want to lose with nice guys" lol. Can't win.
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I find puerile displays by (putative) adults distasteful. It's one of the aspects of today's game that I detest. I hate it when players on other teams do it and I really hate it when Giants players do it.
I'll cheer the production, but if this is the sort of crap that comes with it, I won't be cheering the player.
If 'swagger' is synonymous with 'asshole' (as it seems to be in this case), I'll take self-effacing every day, and twice on Sundays.
The outcome and reaction were both not serious.
I find puerile displays by (putative) adults distasteful. It's one of the aspects of today's game that I detest. I hate it when players on other teams do it and I really hate it when Giants players do it.
I'll cheer the production, but if this is the sort of crap that comes with it, I won't be cheering the player.
If 'swagger' is synonymous with 'asshole' (as it seems to be in this case), I'll take self-effacing every day, and twice on Sundays.
Again, that ship has long sailed.
You must have hated Strahan for example.
The behavior? Yeah, that I hate.
I mean, you are, in fact, a professional: at least pretend you've been there before.
The Colts completely quit. What a morose franchise.
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and they told a Thibs story from when they visited training camp this summer. Thibs told them he had seven minutes for an interview, gave them nothing, left after five minutes and went off on someone from the Giants communications department on his way out. Not a huge deal but we can acknowledge he's a bit of an ass.
I'm old enough to remember Lawrence Taylor almost physically assaulting a photographer on the sideline.
I remember. It was after one of those crushing losses to the Eagles at home (there were a few, lol). Either 1988 or 89 (I think 89). Both horrible losses. The one in 88 was the Clyde Simmons FG blocked by LT in OT, after which Parcells went apeshit on the officials and Belichick was in disbelief and the one in 89 where the wind was a major factor and Randall Cunningham made a 91-yard punt form his endzone. Ugh...
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Here is what happened.
(1) KT sacks the QB, which was a key moment in the game.
(2) KT celebrates immediately without knowing the QB is hurt.
(3) Fans are turned off by the celebration because it occurs right next to the injured QB and "looks bad" even though KT doesn't know the QB is hurt.
(4) QB is knocked out of the game, but we later learn the rib injury isn't really that bad. Guy may have had the breath knocked out of him.
(5) KT is spotted on sideline making a gesture that seems to indicate that he is still happy about making the play and hitting the QB hard.
(6) KT apologizes after game.
(7) Head Coach of Colts calls KT trash (despite fact his own player tried to actually hurt Daniel Jones).
(8) KT is asked about HC calling him trash and KT basically tells him to fuck off.
(9) We have Giants fans here who still want KT to issue some sort of genuflecting apology despite the fact the QB wasn't really hurt and the HC called him trash.
This is where we are at right now.
I haven’t weighed in on this debate, because the only part of that play I cared about was the sack.
I m just not much into the “gotcha scene” might be a generational thing, but this just seems like another example of people being too easily offended
Easy there, gangster - it's just people shooting the shit on a message board. I doubt anyone's lost any sleep over it one way or another.
Holy crap.
JFC - The is NO comparison at all. Some folks really need to get a clue.
Social Media certainly has changed the landscape the land, not always for the better
i know its pathetic
I loved that Foles was writhing in pain, glad he wasnt hurt seriously but thats just fucking people up in football with a legal hit
sure, the snow angel shouldve taken half the time
but I can live thru that :)
Oh, and if he can play like LT - feed him as much cocaine as possible.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Correct, but let’s get outraged at a stupid celebration
Hopefully it’s not a sign of things to come in terms of his ego. He’s a calmer/smarter guy than Odell but you still worry about that ego getting too crazy.
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My God
Easy there, gangster - it's just people shooting the shit on a message board. I doubt anyone's lost any sleep over it one way or another.
ChicagoMarty 1000% lost sleep.
Thibs quotes and attitude after the situation is what bothers me more than the snow angels.
It’s just a very childish response from him. Just admit you’re wrong and move on. That’s it.
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I find this to be so overblown. You'd think Thibs picked up Foles & threw him 15 rows into the stands while simultaneously screwing his wife & running over Foles' mother with some of the reactions here & on social media/TV.
Thibs quotes and attitude after the situation is what bothers me more than the snow angels.
It’s just a very childish response from him. Just admit you’re wrong and move on. That’s it.
You do realize your opinion isn’t the only opinion on it right?
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In comment 15978922 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I find this to be so overblown. You'd think Thibs picked up Foles & threw him 15 rows into the stands while simultaneously screwing his wife & running over Foles' mother with some of the reactions here & on social media/TV.
Thibs quotes and attitude after the situation is what bothers me more than the snow angels.
It’s just a very childish response from him. Just admit you’re wrong and move on. That’s it.
You do realize your opinion isn’t the only opinion on it right?
Lmao what? Yes, I realize that.
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the heck are we comparing Theisman's compound fracture where his leg literally snapped in two (and the players knew it immediately) with a guy who was looking to come out of the game with a bruised rib or breath knocked out of him.
Holy crap.
JFC - The is NO comparison at all. Some folks really need to get a clue.
If the player is hurt, you don’t celebrate. You have no idea the extent of his injury. Spleens and Kidneys get lacerated in football. You want to say he didn’t know, I doubt that, but he also was doing it on the sideline. Today, when given an opportunity to address Saturday, instead of just saying I get it and move on, he said basically who’s he to a guy who has accomplished a lot more than he has. When KT has 4 all pros and a SB, come back to me with the “who’s he” comments about Saturday. KT had the chance to put it behind him by showing just one iota of respect for a coach and and NFL former star. He chose the low road—again. This is an easy one.
When a man spits in your face, you don't take the high road and say, "that's OK."
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In comment 15978936 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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In comment 15978922 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I find this to be so overblown. You'd think Thibs picked up Foles & threw him 15 rows into the stands while simultaneously screwing his wife & running over Foles' mother with some of the reactions here & on social media/TV.
Thibs quotes and attitude after the situation is what bothers me more than the snow angels.
It’s just a very childish response from him. Just admit you’re wrong and move on. That’s it.
You do realize your opinion isn’t the only opinion on it right?
Lmao what? Yes, I realize that.
“Just admit you’re wrong and move on” implies that your opinion is the “right” one and everyone else’s opinion is wrong.
You seem to have made up your mind that he is some sort of bad person.
This is almost as crazy as the poster who thought KT was a bad person because he made a comment about smoking a cigarette.