I think this is about the Giants making the playoff and turning around so fast with the roster we had. Teams want that turn around at lightening speed.
I wonder if he goes, maybe a surprise replacement for the giants—Webb.
as an OC as his 1st coaching experience? No Chance
He is a young coach which is true, but his experiences first as an NFL quarterback, and second as a coach in mentoring not only the best quarterback in the league in Mahomes, but now also elevating a struggling quarterback in DJ are exactly what you want in today's NFL. After several years with Rhule who had none of these experiences, Kafka will be like manna from heaven for Tepper.
I could easily see Bidwill jumping in also so not surprised Tepper is moving quickly...
I dont think either gets poached this year. There's a reason Wink doesn't get hired, for whatever reason, he doesn't fit the criteria owners look for, especially in this modern offensive oriented age. I think Kafka is too green, I ca't see Tepper entrusting the franchise to him. Is it possible, sure. Just not likely imo.
Let me ask this though, would our assistant GM get poached as a GM? If that happens, all bets are off.
*Tepper backs up the BRINKS truck for Daniel Jones and he returns to his home state to QB the Panthers.
Not just his home state. Charlotte is DJ's home town, he went to HS at Charlotte Latin. I think if the money's equal or better, he goes to Carolina. (Assuming we don't franchise tag him, which we may or may not.)
I can only hope that Carolina thinks he doesn't have the requisite
That's why we saw all the young coaches land gigs in GB, AZ, NYG, NYJ, etc. That is why Kafka is going to get serious looks.
I was just going to write this. The trend is to go after the unknown guy, who is viewed as a guru, rather than a retread.
Also the difference between the Giants offense is night and day vs last year. These other coaching staffs, unlike BBI members, realize the deficiencies Kafka has had to work with here.
I agree. I tend to think the O is more a product of Daboll and will continue to have success. Wink on the other hand seems to be the driver of the D and I think he has gotten more out of the D than anyone could have expected given what he has to work with.
Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.
If Brown were hired this cycle they'd get the picks in 2024.
No I don’t think they will get picks if Brown gets a GM job. I believe that the rule is that an exec has to be with a team for a minimum of two seasons.
Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.
If Brown were hired this cycle they'd get the picks in 2024.
No I don’t think they will get picks if Brown gets a GM job. I believe that the rule is that an exec has to be with a team for a minimum of two seasons.
Oh you're right, just looked it up. I stand corrected.
Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.
If you have a habit of blocking interview requests it makes it more difficult to get quality people to be willing to take those positions in the future.
most of the year, a lot of BBI was questioning Kafka. His play calling. His game plan. This isn't the offense Giants want to run. questioning DJ as a marginal QB.
Now he's a QB whisperer with DJ, and going to be a big blow to lose him.
The offense has held up their end of the bargain, but the defense is the engine of this team. Losing Kafka would be a knock, but not insurmountable. I'm guessing it is half, or more, Daboll's offense anyhow. Losing Wink would be far, far, worse.
most of the year, a lot of BBI was questioning Kafka. His play calling. His game plan. This isn't the offense Giants want to run. questioning DJ as a marginal QB.
Now he's a QB whisperer with DJ, and going to be a big blow to lose him.
The offense has held up their end of the bargain, but the defense is the engine of this team. Losing Kafka would be a knock, but not insurmountable. I'm guessing it is half, or more, Daboll's offense anyhow. Losing Wink would be far, far, worse.
What odd is losing Wink would be worse but I just do not see him as a good HC. I like his style for D (still think zero coverage in 3rd and long to really long is "unwise") but that temperment as a HC would be disastrous. He is on record saying he is what he is and calls games accordingly.
RE: RE: See - I actually think we have such a good foundation with
Daboll that this is the first time I am not worried about losing coordinators
You should be.
Not really worried losing Kafka. Daboll can call plays if needed. Rather keep wink. I would like to see jones not have to have another OC but I would think offense has a lot of daboll imprint so should be big change
RE: RE: See - I actually think we have such a good foundation with
to stay with daboll 2 or 3 years, and then arrive a much more desired and credentialed coach. Taking a job now would offer very little room for error if things start badly
With that said, of course I'd understand if he wanted to take the opportunity, but even beyond being a giants fan I'd advise him to stay
doesn't mean he gets the job. He has said recently he's not ready for that position yet.
If he gets a HC gig, I bet Daboll elevates Tierney from QB coach to OC and Webb becomes the new QB coach.
If Wink leaves, I think they name Wilkins (the OLB coach who Wink "recommended" if negotiations with NY fell through). He was with Wink in Balt, has the same attacking philosophy.
has the wisdom to understand that declining an offer for a HC position now might be better for his long-term interests.
If he got the Panthers' job, that is a situation where there is still uncertainty at the QB position. Are you going to try and stick with Darnold or go through QB roulette in the draft. And if it doesn't work out, and you're going back to Daboll or Reid hat in hand, the narrative is going to be that Carolina picked an inexperienced coach who wasn't ready for primetime, and the bloom will be off the rose.
He's a hot-shot candidate right now, and will very likely continue to be, the star will only grow.
You think about how Josh McDaniels was viewed as a candidate when the Broncos hired him to the second time around and how long that took.
All this said, it's really hard to turn down the kind of increase in money we'd be talking about.
Kafka, it will be there for you, give us at least 1 more season, and put a Lombardi in the trophy case while you're at it.
being an OC for only 1 season, but strangers things have happened I suppose. It is a good experience for him and they want to most likely pick his brain as well.
I could see him getting the interview experience this go round and then perhaps getting a gig in 2024 when *hopefully* our offense performs better this upcoming year
Carolina would need to pony up two firsts if they still wanted to sign him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Daboll encourages him to interview. It’s good practice for when he actually gets hired. I would not be concerned of losing him this cycle
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The interview can’t take place until next week, so shouldn’t be a distraction for Kafka’s preparation for the Vikings.
I thought at some point in the past you couldn’t even ask until the season was over. Saying it won’t be a distraction is being hopeful at best. Human nature is human nature.
Interviewing Ken Dorsey for the job. Seems like they will do their due diligence to get right guy in there. I seriously doubt Kafka is a top contender.
The Giants have a long history of populating other teams with their better assistant coaches. From Landry to Lombardi to Spags......that's enough for a while.
what a distraction for Kafka. They should tell them no interviews until the end of the season.
Teams can’t deny a request for a promotion opportunity.
They also can’t dictate when interviews can happen.
Nor do the Giants want to deny it. Losing good young coaches hurts, but blocking their chances of career advancement is a quick way to make sure other good young coaches are reluctant to come here
Have good coordinators other teams want to hire then be stuck with coordinators who are terrible like Jason Garrett. Winning is a double edge sword, but it’s better than the alternative.
Exactly. I'd rather be fretting over losing Kafka than fretting over keeping Judge.
Plus, if you're a manager you always want your guys to succeed and move up. It's part of life. Daboll and Schoen will have to deal with it.
Pat Shurmer comes to mind. Good offensive designer, lousy locker room motivator. I think Kafka needs more time in the saddle. What if the playoffs are a disaster do they still want him? Isn't this called tampering I thought we were not supposed to allow coaches to be spoken to until the playoffs are over
I wonder if he goes, maybe a surprise replacement for the giants—Webb.
as an OC as his 1st coaching experience? No Chance
I could easily see Bidwill jumping in also so not surprised Tepper is moving quickly...
I think Carolina will go after DJ and they are exploring hiring Kafka because they think it will help them land DJ.
*Tepper backs up the BRINKS truck for Daniel Jones and he returns to his home state to QB the Panthers.
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Of course, the Giants have the tag but it's best they get this contract done while they can. It's going to cost them.
This should be a legit concern.
Let me ask this though, would our assistant GM get poached as a GM? If that happens, all bets are off.
Not just his home state. Charlotte is DJ's home town, he went to HS at Charlotte Latin. I think if the money's equal or better, he goes to Carolina. (Assuming we don't franchise tag him, which we may or may not.)
Please stay home, Mike Kafka.
This.
I was just going to write this. The trend is to go after the unknown guy, who is viewed as a guru, rather than a retread.
Also the difference between the Giants offense is night and day vs last year. These other coaching staffs, unlike BBI members, realize the deficiencies Kafka has had to work with here.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.
I agree. I tend to think the O is more a product of Daboll and will continue to have success. Wink on the other hand seems to be the driver of the D and I think he has gotten more out of the D than anyone could have expected given what he has to work with.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.
If Brown were hired this cycle they'd get the picks in 2024.
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Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.
If Brown were hired this cycle they'd get the picks in 2024.
No I don’t think they will get picks if Brown gets a GM job. I believe that the rule is that an exec has to be with a team for a minimum of two seasons.
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Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.
If Brown were hired this cycle they'd get the picks in 2024.
No I don’t think they will get picks if Brown gets a GM job. I believe that the rule is that an exec has to be with a team for a minimum of two seasons.
Oh you're right, just looked it up. I stand corrected.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.
If you have a habit of blocking interview requests it makes it more difficult to get quality people to be willing to take those positions in the future.
Now he's a QB whisperer with DJ, and going to be a big blow to lose him.
The offense has held up their end of the bargain, but the defense is the engine of this team. Losing Kafka would be a knock, but not insurmountable. I'm guessing it is half, or more, Daboll's offense anyhow. Losing Wink would be far, far, worse.
Now he's a QB whisperer with DJ, and going to be a big blow to lose him.
The offense has held up their end of the bargain, but the defense is the engine of this team. Losing Kafka would be a knock, but not insurmountable. I'm guessing it is half, or more, Daboll's offense anyhow. Losing Wink would be far, far, worse.
What odd is losing Wink would be worse but I just do not see him as a good HC. I like his style for D (still think zero coverage in 3rd and long to really long is "unwise") but that temperment as a HC would be disastrous. He is on record saying he is what he is and calls games accordingly.
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Daboll that this is the first time I am not worried about losing coordinators
You should be.
Not really worried losing Kafka. Daboll can call plays if needed. Rather keep wink. I would like to see jones not have to have another OC but I would think offense has a lot of daboll imprint so should be big change
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Heck. We have a playoff game. This is the last thing I am worrying about unless he leaves tommorow
You should be.
With that said, of course I'd understand if he wanted to take the opportunity, but even beyond being a giants fan I'd advise him to stay
If he gets a HC gig, I bet Daboll elevates Tierney from QB coach to OC and Webb becomes the new QB coach.
If Wink leaves, I think they name Wilkins (the OLB coach who Wink "recommended" if negotiations with NY fell through). He was with Wink in Balt, has the same attacking philosophy.
If he got the Panthers' job, that is a situation where there is still uncertainty at the QB position. Are you going to try and stick with Darnold or go through QB roulette in the draft. And if it doesn't work out, and you're going back to Daboll or Reid hat in hand, the narrative is going to be that Carolina picked an inexperienced coach who wasn't ready for primetime, and the bloom will be off the rose.
He's a hot-shot candidate right now, and will very likely continue to be, the star will only grow.
You think about how Josh McDaniels was viewed as a candidate when the Broncos hired him to the second time around and how long that took.
All this said, it's really hard to turn down the kind of increase in money we'd be talking about.
Kafka, it will be there for you, give us at least 1 more season, and put a Lombardi in the trophy case while you're at it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Daboll encourages him to interview. It’s good practice for when he actually gets hired. I would not be concerned of losing him this cycle
It's not unprecedented for some coaches to decline their first time offers because the situation wasn't ideal for them.
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Arizona
Denver
Houston
Am I missing any team?
Indianapolis
And Dallas after they lose in the playoffs…:)
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The interview can’t take place until next week, so shouldn’t be a distraction for Kafka’s preparation for the Vikings.
I thought at some point in the past you couldn’t even ask until the season was over. Saying it won’t be a distraction is being hopeful at best. Human nature is human nature.
I don't think it got much traction at the time, but it could be an issue that keeps him from being retained.
Appreciate the thoughts on sticking for the right job. Perhaps for some. For others a chance at a very big guaranteed contract.
Stay focused on the Vikings.
Belichik and Payton come to mind.
Really? McVay got hired at 30 and clearly showed he had the judgment and connections to hire a quality staff.
Teams can’t deny a request for a promotion opportunity.
They also can’t dictate when interviews can happen.
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what a distraction for Kafka. They should tell them no interviews until the end of the season.
Teams can’t deny a request for a promotion opportunity.
They also can’t dictate when interviews can happen.
Nor do the Giants want to deny it. Losing good young coaches hurts, but blocking their chances of career advancement is a quick way to make sure other good young coaches are reluctant to come here
Exactly. I'd rather be fretting over losing Kafka than fretting over keeping Judge.
Plus, if you're a manager you always want your guys to succeed and move up. It's part of life. Daboll and Schoen will have to deal with it.