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Panthers request to interview Mike Kafka for HC

CromartiesKid21 : 1/10/2023 7:00 am
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@TomPelissero
The #Panthers requested an interview with #Giants OC Mike Kafka for their head coaching job, per source
Uh oh  
mattlawson : 1/10/2023 7:01 am : link
.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2023 7:01 am : link
I'd be floored if he got a gig this hiring cycle.
See - I actually think we have such a good foundation with  
BigBlue7 : 1/10/2023 7:04 am : link
Daboll that this is the first time I am not worried about losing coordinators
RE: See - I actually think we have such a good foundation with  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2023 7:04 am : link
In comment 15986683 BigBlue7 said:
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Daboll that this is the first time I am not worried about losing coordinators


You should be.
I think Daboll has done very well to this point in his coaching staff  
Ira : 1/10/2023 7:07 am : link
hires. Until he's done otherwise, I think he'll hire a good replacement should Kafka leave. That said, I think Kafka's a good coach and continuity is valuable.
Great early start for all of you who had  
j_rud : 1/10/2023 7:10 am : link
"Go get the guy that helped Daniel Jones" on your 2023 Apocalypse Bingo card
I enjoyed  
mittenedman : 1/10/2023 7:10 am : link
watching Kafka explode in the booth when Davis Webb scored.

Kafka is very stoic up there, it was fun to watch. These guys care about each other.
I always default to jokes and apologies as a lot are awful  
j_rud : 1/10/2023 7:11 am : link
But we're watching a sports fairy tale right now.
It is not a surprise  
Giantimistic : 1/10/2023 7:12 am : link
I think this is about the Giants making the playoff and turning around so fast with the roster we had. Teams want that turn around at lightening speed.

I wonder if he goes, maybe a surprise replacement for the giants—Webb.
This is an interesting dynamic  
giantBCP : 1/10/2023 7:14 am : link
in the DJ contract negotiations.
How many HC openings are there currently  
Rick in Dallas : 1/10/2023 7:15 am : link
Carolina
Arizona
Denver
Houston

Am I missing any team?

With respect to Kafka, let’s hope he sticks around for a few years on the Giants.
He has had a very positive impact on DJ.
Wink is probably a more serious HC candidate at this time.
RE: See - I actually think we have such a good foundation with  
Dankbeerman : 1/10/2023 7:19 am : link
In comment 15986683 BigBlue7 said:
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Daboll that this is the first time I am not worried about losing coordinators


My thoughts on Dabol being sucsessful right away has a lot to do with the decision he made to bring in Kafka and let him be the OC and call plays. Dabol being an offensive guy and letting someone else runit so he can be the needed CEO of the team is the right model for him.

Also I dont think Kafka hasnt even hit his stride yet. His loss will be a big one, but its gonna happen if we maintain sucsess.

I could see Webb  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2023 7:20 am : link
Moving into our coaching staff next year.
Imagine potentially losing both your OC and DC after 1 yr of a rebuild  
guitarguybs12 : 1/10/2023 7:30 am : link
Unbelievable
They might want to hijack  
giantBCP : 1/10/2023 7:32 am : link
DJ.
The 'next man up' for OC is often the QB Coach.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/10/2023 7:36 am : link
Tierney's resume is pretty thin. Groh has the CV, although his tenure as OC in Philly coincided with the start of Wentz's slide.
Has the NFL Become an Impatient League?  
M.S. : 1/10/2023 7:38 am : link

Mike Kafka is 35 years old with one year as an Offensive Coordinator. Yes, he was part of the amazing KC offense for a few years... but now, after one season with the Giants, Carolina is considering him as a Head Coach? Seems a little premature to me.

I would doubt Carolina as a team to hire him  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 1/10/2023 7:40 am : link
Their owner seems to like big splash names like Rhule for his first head coach and then Darnold and Mayfield as quarterbacks.
Ugh something that just made me sick:  
mittenedman : 1/10/2023 7:41 am : link
*Kafka gets hired by the Panthers as Head Coach

*Tepper backs up the BRINKS truck for Daniel Jones and he returns to his home state to QB the Panthers.

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Of course, the Giants have the tag but it's best they get this contract done while they can. It's going to cost them.
Frank Reich and Jim Caldwell  
cosmicj : 1/10/2023 7:42 am : link
Two other interviewees.
panthers - ( New Window )
RE: Has the NFL Become an Impatient League?  
Beer Man : 1/10/2023 7:44 am : link
In comment 15986706 M.S. said:
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Mike Kafka is 35 years old with one year as an Offensive Coordinator. Yes, he was part of the amazing KC offense for a few years... but now, after one season with the Giants, Carolina is considering him as a Head Coach? Seems a little premature to me.
Carolina will likely cast a wide net. Being a first year OC, I would be very surprised if Kafka is their final choice
RE: Has the NFL Become an Impatient League?  
Sean : 1/10/2023 7:44 am : link
In comment 15986706 M.S. said:
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Mike Kafka is 35 years old with one year as an Offensive Coordinator. Yes, he was part of the amazing KC offense for a few years... but now, after one season with the Giants, Carolina is considering him as a Head Coach? Seems a little premature to me.

And Wink Martindale can’t get an interview. It’s ridiculous.
RE: Great early start for all of you who had  
colin : 1/10/2023 7:44 am : link
In comment 15986687 j_rud said:
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"Go get the guy that helped Daniel Jones" on your 2023 Apocalypse Bingo card


This comment isn’t getting the love it should.
I'm more concerned about losing....  
MarvelousMike : 1/10/2023 7:44 am : link
Assistant GM, Brandon Brown. I think he will be the first one to go to another team, but not until next year.
Daboll is the head coach whose an offensive guy  
Sean : 1/10/2023 7:47 am : link
I’d hate to lose Kafka, but I think losing Martindale would be worse.
There are three candidates out there that are tough to beat  
George : 1/10/2023 7:57 am : link
Sean Peyton
Frank Reich
Jim Harbaugh

I expect all three to be head coaches in the NFL by Feb. 1.

Jim Caldwell and Dan Quinn will be big names to watch too.

I just don't see how Mike Kafka competes with those dudes.

RE: I would doubt Carolina as a team to hire him  
Optimus-NY : 1/10/2023 7:58 am : link
In comment 15986707 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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Their owner seems to like big splash names like Rhule for his first head coach and then Darnold and Mayfield as quarterbacks.


+1
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2023 7:59 am : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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The interview can’t take place until next week, so shouldn’t be a distraction for Kafka’s preparation for the Vikings.
Stranger things have happened but right now  
Knickstape : 1/10/2023 8:06 am : link
the head coaching candidates out there are

Harbaugh
Sean Payton
Dan Quinn
Frank Reich
Ben Johnson
Shane Steichen
Jonathan Gannon
Demeco Ryans

I’d be surprised if Kafka gets plucked after 1 year with a giants offense that hasn’t exactly set the world on fire
RE: ...  
guitarguybs12 : 1/10/2023 8:06 am : link
In comment 15986736 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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The interview can’t take place until next week, so shouldn’t be a distraction for Kafka’s preparation for the Vikings.


people always say this but how can one learning you have a potentially life-changing interview ahead of you in a week not be distracting in some small way to the person getting the interview

AND

how can it not be also somewhat distracting for team learning that the OC that just helped their offense and team back to relevance not be disappointed at the potential of losing him after one year.
Good for him  
blueblood : 1/10/2023 8:07 am : link
Doubt he gets a hire, but good for him to get into the coach hiring process..
RE: ...  
shocktheworld : 1/10/2023 8:08 am : link
In comment 15986736 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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The interview can’t take place until next week, so shouldn’t be a distraction for Kafka’s preparation for the Vikings.


Plus many teams/GM use “interviews” to get insight into what made that specific team/system successful. If I was an owner, I’d be interviewing as many successful coaches as possible… even if I can only choose one, I can listen to many theories/strategies. Hopefully Kafka stays, I see Tepper going for a big name….
Tepper has a big decision to make  
Costy16 : 1/10/2023 8:10 am : link
This time, he is going to do a ton of due diligence with interviews and I doubt the next coach gets a 7 year $63M contract. But, Steve Wilks went 6-6 with a team that he inherited from Rhule, with coaches he didn't choose. Alot of players want Wilks to be hired. As for Kafka, I'm sure he might get some feelers, I would like him to be retained though.
His resume is short  
Biteymax22 : 1/10/2023 8:11 am : link
But he's worked with Reid and Mahomes, then came to the Giants in a year under Daboll in which Daniel Jones made a ton of improvement. In other words he's been groomed by 2 high end offensive minds and has had success in each stop.

I can see why there's interest and expected this to happen.

On the flipside, if we were in the hiring cycle right now I don't think I'd feel comfortable with us hiring a guy with 1 year coordinator experience, but I don't make decisions...
RE: Ugh something that just made me sick:  
BillT : 1/10/2023 8:14 am : link
In comment 15986709 mittenedman said:
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*Kafka gets hired by the Panthers as Head Coach

*Tepper backs up the BRINKS truck for Daniel Jones and he returns to his home state to QB the Panthers.

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Of course, the Giants have the tag but it's best they get this contract done while they can. It's going to cost them.

Jones will be signed before FA begins.
Here is  
YANKEE28 : 1/10/2023 8:16 am : link
a solid article about potential GMs from Albert Breer at SI.

He lists the 25 most likely candidates to get a job this offseason.

The article is noteworthy in that his list does not include the Giants Brandon Brown in his 25, though he does mention him and speaks quite highly-but feels its simply too early in his career.

To summarize the article, he feels that prior experience will be the major attraction this offseason, rather than a young executive with great potential.

And as Giants fans, lets not forget that in our search last year, there were 2 finalists- Joe Schoen and Adam Peters with the 49ers. Peters continues to do an amazing job in San Francisco and I feel is probably the hottest name to become another teams GM this offseason.

With Brandon Brown, Giants fans should remember that if he stays with the Giants for 2 years, and then takes a GM promotion to another team, the Giants get two 3rd round comp picks. You hate to lose great administrators, but there would be compensation if he leaves any time after next season.
Link - ( New Window )
Yes, teams interview guys to  
section125 : 1/10/2023 8:27 am : link
pick their brains and I feel that is what Tepper is doing with Kafka. I want Kafka to stay because I think he will be much better next season and I want him with Jones to solidify Jones at QB. Jones is getting it and another season with Kafka will reinforce his gained knowledge this year.
I do think it is too soon for Kafka at HC. He is still an OC work in progress.

Jim Harbaugh - my Michigan insider is certain that Harbaugh stays at UM. Looking at options, but not truly serious. FWIW.
I heard Tiki  
afann : 1/10/2023 8:36 am : link
Say on the radio that it’s a young mans game and more teams are looking to hire a HC in their 30-40’s. He said it’s unfortunate that this could be the reason Wink doesn’t get a HC gig but that is the way the trend currently is. Now that is just Tiki’s opinion.
RE: How many HC openings are there currently  
yalebowl : 1/10/2023 8:39 am : link
In comment 15986695 Rick in Dallas said:
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Carolina
Arizona
Denver
Houston

Am I missing any team?

With respect to Kafka, let’s hope he sticks around for a few years on the Giants.
He has had a very positive impact on DJ.
Wink is probably a more serious HC candidate at this time.


Dallas - when McCarthy gets bounced from the playoffs
Surprised they are not considering Steve Wilks  
Angus : 1/10/2023 8:39 am : link
Didn't he almost get them to the playoffs?
RE: RE: Ugh something that just made me sick:  
Spider56 : 1/10/2023 8:47 am : link
In comment 15986764 BillT said:
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In comment 15986709 mittenedman said:


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*Kafka gets hired by the Panthers as Head Coach

*Tepper backs up the BRINKS truck for Daniel Jones and he returns to his home state to QB the Panthers.

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Of course, the Giants have the tag but it's best they get this contract done while they can. It's going to cost them.


Jones will be signed before FA begins.


Bill, I hope you’re right. But Tepper is one of those assholes who always thinks he’s entitled to what he wants and doesn’t care what it costs, as he did with Matt Rhule. I can see a scenario where he reaches out quietly to Jones’ agent now and tells him he’ll get Kafka and play the same system. If DJ doesn’t sign within 2 weeks, watch out.
RE: Surprised they are not considering Steve Wilks  
BigBlueShock : 1/10/2023 8:51 am : link
In comment 15986801 Angus said:
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Didn't he almost get them to the playoffs?

They are. But they are also interviewing other candidates. As they should
RE: How many HC openings are there currently  
BMac : 1/10/2023 8:53 am : link
In comment 15986695 Rick in Dallas said:
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Carolina
Arizona
Denver
Houston

Am I missing any team?


Indianapolis
RE: RE: RE: Ugh something that just made me sick:  
FStubbs : 1/10/2023 8:58 am : link
In comment 15986812 Spider56 said:
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In comment 15986764 BillT said:


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In comment 15986709 mittenedman said:


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*Kafka gets hired by the Panthers as Head Coach

*Tepper backs up the BRINKS truck for Daniel Jones and he returns to his home state to QB the Panthers.

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Of course, the Giants have the tag but it's best they get this contract done while they can. It's going to cost them.


Jones will be signed before FA begins.



Bill, I hope you’re right. But Tepper is one of those assholes who always thinks he’s entitled to what he wants and doesn’t care what it costs, as he did with Matt Rhule. I can see a scenario where he reaches out quietly to Jones’ agent now and tells him he’ll get Kafka and play the same system. If DJ doesn’t sign within 2 weeks, watch out.


He'd probably outright tamper if he could. Plus he knows Jones is from Charlotte.

Not that it would've worked, of course, but Tepper made that insane offer to Rhule after it became known the Giants had interest in him.
The Giants could just use the non exclusive tag for Jones then and  
Strahan91 : 1/10/2023 8:59 am : link
Carolina would need to pony up two firsts if they still wanted to sign him.
I’d rather  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/10/2023 9:01 am : link
Have good coordinators other teams want to hire then be stuck with coordinators who are terrible like Jason Garrett. Winning is a double edge sword, but it’s better than the alternative.
RE: RE: ...  
BMac : 1/10/2023 9:03 am : link
In comment 15986747 guitarguybs12 said:
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In comment 15986736 Eric from BBI said:


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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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The interview can’t take place until next week, so shouldn’t be a distraction for Kafka’s preparation for the Vikings.



people always say this but how can one learning you have a potentially life-changing interview ahead of you in a week not be distracting in some small way to the person getting the interview

AND

how can it not be also somewhat distracting for team learning that the OC that just helped their offense and team back to relevance not be disappointed at the potential of losing him after one year.


Because they're pros and realize that this is the nature of the business.
I’m more worried about  
illmatic : 1/10/2023 9:03 am : link
Wink and Brandon Brown leaving the team this off-season. Would suck to lose anyone when they’re just starting to build something potentially great but Daboll is an offense guy and I have faith he could find a suitable replacement for Kafka if necessary.
I mostly agree with the sentiment that Kafka  
Essex : 1/10/2023 9:11 am : link
is probably too inexperienced to get the job at this point, but David Tepper is an odd fellow, which concerns me. He seems to get pleasure in going against the grain and he is not afraid to make bold choices or act decisively to get what he wants (like paying Matt Rhule what was that contract?).
RE: RE: See - I actually think we have such a good foundation with  
gmen4ever : 1/10/2023 9:12 am : link
In comment 15986684 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15986683 BigBlue7 said:


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Daboll that this is the first time I am not worried about losing coordinators



You should be.


I agree, this would be a loss of continuity for Jones and another OC to deal with in his short 4-5 years in the league.
I agree with Brandon Brown  
DavidinBMNY : 1/10/2023 9:12 am : link
I think he's gone, unless he doesn't want to leave the project yet.

Wink I think will get interviewed, but DC head coaches have not been the trend, and I do not think have faired well.

Hiring Kafka after 1 yr of OC is a big risk, but just promote the QB coach to OC and hire Webb as the QB coach or something.

When teams are coming after your staff, it's a great leading indicator things are finally going in the right direction. I'm not including Graham b/c that was a wierd situation for him with the staff turnover and how close he was to Judge as someone "coming after you".

Good for Kafa. I hope he takes the interview and turns it down, in that he has more to learn, but these are limited opportunities to come by.
...  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 1/10/2023 9:12 am : link
I wouldn't be surprised if Kafka got a shot before Wink - it's an offense driven league and teams are desperate to find the next offensive mind.
I would be surprised to lose either coordinator  
Greg from LI : 1/10/2023 9:13 am : link
Wink's 60 years old and has interviewed for HC gigs a number of times before. Gut feeling is that, were he ever getting a shot, it would have happened already.

Kafka has one season of OC experience, and it's not as if the Giants offense was a juggernaut. I do believe he did an excellent job with a lineup that had some major flaws, but can he replicate that? I dunno, just seems awfully quick, and there are some big names out there waiting for a job.
RE: I mostly agree with the sentiment that Kafka  
Mike in NY : 1/10/2023 9:18 am : link
In comment 15986859 Essex said:
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is probably too inexperienced to get the job at this point, but David Tepper is an odd fellow, which concerns me. He seems to get pleasure in going against the grain and he is not afraid to make bold choices or act decisively to get what he wants (like paying Matt Rhule what was that contract?).


Kafka helped get the most out of a QB thought by almost everyone to be in the bottom 5 of NFL starters (the only reason he might have missed on some was if they were considering Jacoby Brissett the starter in Cleveland and not Deshaun Watson). Seeing how Ben Johnson is also on the list and he got a lot out of Jared Goff, who previously had struggled with anyone not named Sean McVay, I think the questions will be more focused on how do you turn around someone like Sam Darnold if you can. At 9 I do not think they will get a QB who can be counted on to start Week 1 (besides Young and Stroud everyone else looks like they need varying degrees of development time).
RE: RE: See - I actually think we have such a good foundation with  
Doug in MA : 1/10/2023 9:19 am : link
In comment 15986684 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15986683 BigBlue7 said:


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Daboll that this is the first time I am not worried about losing coordinators



You should be.


Why?
Keep your Cotton-Pickin' hands off our coordinators  
Named Later : 1/10/2023 9:20 am : link
The Giants have a long history of populating other teams with their better assistant coaches. From Landry to Lombardi to Spags......that's enough for a while.
RE: RE: ...  
k2tampa : 1/10/2023 9:22 am : link
In comment 15986747 guitarguybs12 said:
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In comment 15986736 Eric from BBI said:


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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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The interview can’t take place until next week, so shouldn’t be a distraction for Kafka’s preparation for the Vikings.



people always say this but how can one learning you have a potentially life-changing interview ahead of you in a week not be distracting in some small way to the person getting the interview

AND

how can it not be also somewhat distracting for team learning that the OC that just helped their offense and team back to relevance not be disappointed at the potential of losing him after one year.


Not to mention he needs some time to put together his presentation, which will require studying the Panthers. It's not like applying at McDonalds where you fill out a form and they interview you to get a sense of what kind of person you are. Owners want to see that you have a detailed plan for how to make their team successful.
RE: I agree with Brandon Brown  
Mike in NY : 1/10/2023 9:30 am : link
In comment 15986863 DavidinBMNY said:
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I think he's gone, unless he doesn't want to leave the project yet.

Wink I think will get interviewed, but DC head coaches have not been the trend, and I do not think have faired well.

Hiring Kafka after 1 yr of OC is a big risk, but just promote the QB coach to OC and hire Webb as the QB coach or something.

When teams are coming after your staff, it's a great leading indicator things are finally going in the right direction. I'm not including Graham b/c that was a wierd situation for him with the staff turnover and how close he was to Judge as someone "coming after you".

Good for Kafa. I hope he takes the interview and turns it down, in that he has more to learn, but these are limited opportunities to come by.


Tierney has 1 year as a QB coach and was previously an Assistant QB coach in Buffalo. That is awfully quick to promote to OC. Mike Groh is more likely just because he has a bit more experience if they stay in house. They also could look outside of the organization. Bengals QB Coach Dan Pitcher was in the scouting department at the same time as Mike Derice and Brandon Brown. Lou Anarumo is liked by the Mara family so Giants could probably get inside scoop on him. Not to mention that Wink Martindale has coached against Bengals O so probably has his thoughts about it.
RE: It is not a surprise  
nochance : 1/10/2023 9:43 am : link
In comment 15986691 Giantimistic said:
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I think this is about the Giants making the playoff and turning around so fast with the roster we had. Teams want that turn around at lightening speed.

I wonder if he goes, maybe a surprise replacement for the giants—Webb.



as an OC as his 1st coaching experience? No Chance
Kafka should be considered high flight risk.  
The Mike : 1/10/2023 9:44 am : link
He is a young coach which is true, but his experiences first as an NFL quarterback, and second as a coach in mentoring not only the best quarterback in the league in Mahomes, but now also elevating a struggling quarterback in DJ are exactly what you want in today's NFL. After several years with Rhule who had none of these experiences, Kafka will be like manna from heaven for Tepper.

I could easily see Bidwill jumping in also so not surprised Tepper is moving quickly...
RE: They might want to hijack  
Del Shofner : 1/10/2023 9:48 am : link
In comment 15986704 giantBCP said:
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DJ.


I think Carolina will go after DJ and they are exploring hiring Kafka because they think it will help them land DJ.
RE: Ugh something that just made me sick:  
Dnew15 : 1/10/2023 9:49 am : link
In comment 15986709 mittenedman said:
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*Kafka gets hired by the Panthers as Head Coach

*Tepper backs up the BRINKS truck for Daniel Jones and he returns to his home state to QB the Panthers.

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Of course, the Giants have the tag but it's best they get this contract done while they can. It's going to cost them.


This should be a legit concern.
Unless the Giants go on a big run (Lets hope so)  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/10/2023 9:54 am : link
I dont think either gets poached this year. There's a reason Wink doesn't get hired, for whatever reason, he doesn't fit the criteria owners look for, especially in this modern offensive oriented age. I think Kafka is too green, I ca't see Tepper entrusting the franchise to him. Is it possible, sure. Just not likely imo.

Let me ask this though, would our assistant GM get poached as a GM? If that happens, all bets are off.
Kafka  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/10/2023 9:54 am : link
Isn’t ready yet. He reminds me McAdoo who became a coach after 2 seasons as a cordinator. He wasn’t ready and we know how that turned out.
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Del Shofner : 1/10/2023 9:58 am : link
In comment 15986709 mittenedman said:
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*Tepper backs up the BRINKS truck for Daniel Jones and he returns to his home state to QB the Panthers.


Not just his home state. Charlotte is DJ's home town, he went to HS at Charlotte Latin. I think if the money's equal or better, he goes to Carolina. (Assuming we don't franchise tag him, which we may or may not.)
I can only hope that Carolina thinks he doesn't have the requisite  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/10/2023 9:59 am : link
experience yet. His schemes and play calling are creative. What the offensive staff has done with the players they have is outstanding.


Please stay home, Mike Kafka.
This is exactly why  
Dnew15 : 1/10/2023 10:00 am : link
if I'm DJ's agent, the conversation of a long term deal w/ the NYG starts with the franchise tag AAV.
Rather him than Wink but selfishly hope they both stay .  
Blue21 : 1/10/2023 10:02 am : link
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Not that Kafka doesn't deserve  
AcesUp : 1/10/2023 10:34 am : link
to get his feet wet in interviews but it's outrageous that he'll likely be a hotter candidate than Wink.
Unless Kafka blows them away, I don’t foresee this being the fit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/10/2023 10:42 am : link
for him or the team. Their owner wants a big name and if he doesn’t get that, why not rehire Steve Wilks?
Everyone wants the next Sean McVeigh (sp)  
bradshaw44 : 1/10/2023 10:48 am : link
That's why we saw all the young coaches land gigs in GB, AZ, NYG, NYJ, etc. That is why Kafka is going to get serious looks.
RE: Daboll is the head coach whose an offensive guy  
KDavies : 1/10/2023 11:01 am : link
In comment 15986725 Sean said:
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I’d hate to lose Kafka, but I think losing Martindale would be worse.


This.
RE: Everyone wants the next Sean McVeigh (sp)  
PatersonPlank : 1/10/2023 11:05 am : link
In comment 15987086 bradshaw44 said:
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That's why we saw all the young coaches land gigs in GB, AZ, NYG, NYJ, etc. That is why Kafka is going to get serious looks.


I was just going to write this. The trend is to go after the unknown guy, who is viewed as a guru, rather than a retread.
Also the difference between the Giants offense is night and day vs last year. These other coaching staffs, unlike BBI members, realize the deficiencies Kafka has had to work with here.
On Kafka and Brown  
Joe Beckwith : 1/10/2023 11:07 am : link
Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.

Kafka  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/10/2023 11:12 am : link
is likely a HC next year.
RE: Rather him than Wink but selfishly hope they both stay .  
Rudy5757 : 1/10/2023 11:18 am : link
In comment 15986985 Blue21 said:
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I agree. I tend to think the O is more a product of Daboll and will continue to have success. Wink on the other hand seems to be the driver of the D and I think he has gotten more out of the D than anyone could have expected given what he has to work with.
RE: On Kafka and Brown  
Strahan91 : 1/10/2023 11:20 am : link
In comment 15987111 Joe Beckwith said:
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Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.

If Brown were hired this cycle they'd get the picks in 2024.
RE: RE: On Kafka and Brown  
Jay on the Island : 1/10/2023 11:27 am : link
In comment 15987121 Strahan91 said:
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Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.



If Brown were hired this cycle they'd get the picks in 2024.

No I don’t think they will get picks if Brown gets a GM job. I believe that the rule is that an exec has to be with a team for a minimum of two seasons.
RE: RE: RE: On Kafka and Brown  
Strahan91 : 1/10/2023 11:30 am : link
In comment 15987129 Jay on the Island said:
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Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.



If Brown were hired this cycle they'd get the picks in 2024.


No I don’t think they will get picks if Brown gets a GM job. I believe that the rule is that an exec has to be with a team for a minimum of two seasons.

Oh you're right, just looked it up. I stand corrected.
RE: On Kafka and Brown  
Mike in NY : 1/10/2023 11:31 am : link
In comment 15987111 Joe Beckwith said:
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Just say NO! to requests. At least for 1 year.
Then if Brown walks take the comp picks Igor ‘24 which seems to be a better draft pool.


If you have a habit of blocking interview requests it makes it more difficult to get quality people to be willing to take those positions in the future.
tis funny  
fkap : 1/10/2023 11:32 am : link
most of the year, a lot of BBI was questioning Kafka. His play calling. His game plan. This isn't the offense Giants want to run. questioning DJ as a marginal QB.

Now he's a QB whisperer with DJ, and going to be a big blow to lose him.

The offense has held up their end of the bargain, but the defense is the engine of this team. Losing Kafka would be a knock, but not insurmountable. I'm guessing it is half, or more, Daboll's offense anyhow. Losing Wink would be far, far, worse.
RE: tis funny  
MotownGIANTS : 1/10/2023 11:51 am : link
In comment 15987141 fkap said:
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most of the year, a lot of BBI was questioning Kafka. His play calling. His game plan. This isn't the offense Giants want to run. questioning DJ as a marginal QB.

Now he's a QB whisperer with DJ, and going to be a big blow to lose him.

The offense has held up their end of the bargain, but the defense is the engine of this team. Losing Kafka would be a knock, but not insurmountable. I'm guessing it is half, or more, Daboll's offense anyhow. Losing Wink would be far, far, worse.



What odd is losing Wink would be worse but I just do not see him as a good HC. I like his style for D (still think zero coverage in 3rd and long to really long is "unwise") but that temperment as a HC would be disastrous. He is on record saying he is what he is and calls games accordingly.
RE: RE: See - I actually think we have such a good foundation with  
Payasdaddy : 1/10/2023 11:55 am : link
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Daboll that this is the first time I am not worried about losing coordinators



You should be.


Not really worried losing Kafka. Daboll can call plays if needed. Rather keep wink. I would like to see jones not have to have another OC but I would think offense has a lot of daboll imprint so should be big change
RE: RE: See - I actually think we have such a good foundation with  
Payasdaddy : 1/10/2023 11:56 am : link
In comment 15986684 Eric from BBI said:
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Daboll that this is the first time I am not worried about losing coordinators


Heck. We have a playoff game. This is the last thing I am worrying about unless he leaves tommorow


You should be.
I think Kafka would be better served  
SirYesSir : 1/10/2023 12:00 pm : link
to stay with daboll 2 or 3 years, and then arrive a much more desired and credentialed coach. Taking a job now would offer very little room for error if things start badly

With that said, of course I'd understand if he wanted to take the opportunity, but even beyond being a giants fan I'd advise him to stay
Getting an interview  
Dave on the UWS : 1/10/2023 12:02 pm : link
doesn't mean he gets the job. He has said recently he's not ready for that position yet.
If he gets a HC gig, I bet Daboll elevates Tierney from QB coach to OC and Webb becomes the new QB coach.
If Wink leaves, I think they name Wilkins (the OLB coach who Wink "recommended" if negotiations with NY fell through). He was with Wink in Balt, has the same attacking philosophy.
You hope Kafka  
allstarjim : 1/10/2023 12:14 pm : link
has the wisdom to understand that declining an offer for a HC position now might be better for his long-term interests.

If he got the Panthers' job, that is a situation where there is still uncertainty at the QB position. Are you going to try and stick with Darnold or go through QB roulette in the draft. And if it doesn't work out, and you're going back to Daboll or Reid hat in hand, the narrative is going to be that Carolina picked an inexperienced coach who wasn't ready for primetime, and the bloom will be off the rose.

He's a hot-shot candidate right now, and will very likely continue to be, the star will only grow.

You think about how Josh McDaniels was viewed as a candidate when the Broncos hired him to the second time around and how long that took.

All this said, it's really hard to turn down the kind of increase in money we'd be talking about.

Kafka, it will be there for you, give us at least 1 more season, and put a Lombardi in the trophy case while you're at it.
I don’t see him leaving after  
Simms11 : 1/10/2023 12:21 pm : link
being an OC for only 1 season, but strangers things have happened I suppose. It is a good experience for him and they want to most likely pick his brain as well.
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ryanmkeane : 1/10/2023 12:30 pm : link
First time HC gig is life changing money. I don't think guys like Kafka would really care about the situation.
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ryanmkeane : 1/10/2023 12:31 pm : link
I could see him getting the interview experience this go round and then perhaps getting a gig in 2024 when *hopefully* our offense performs better this upcoming year
I hope this request is denied  
JerrysKids : 1/10/2023 12:37 pm : link
what a distraction for Kafka. They should tell them no interviews until the end of the season.
RE: The Giants could just use the non exclusive tag for Jones then and  
Mayo2JZ : 1/10/2023 12:49 pm : link
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Carolina would need to pony up two firsts if they still wanted to sign him.


I wouldn’t be surprised if Daboll encourages him to interview. It’s good practice for when he actually gets hired. I would not be concerned of losing him this cycle
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allstarjim : 1/10/2023 12:53 pm : link
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First time HC gig is life changing money. I don't think guys like Kafka would really care about the situation.


It's not unprecedented for some coaches to decline their first time offers because the situation wasn't ideal for them.
RE: RE: How many HC openings are there currently  
Big Blue '56 : 1/10/2023 12:56 pm : link
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Carolina
Arizona
Denver
Houston

Am I missing any team?



Indianapolis


And Dallas after they lose in the playoffs…:)
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pivo : 1/10/2023 1:08 pm : link
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The interview can’t take place until next week, so shouldn’t be a distraction for Kafka’s preparation for the Vikings.


I thought at some point in the past you couldn’t even ask until the season was over. Saying it won’t be a distraction is being hopeful at best. Human nature is human nature.
Kafka should demand  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/10/2023 1:16 pm : link
a 7 year contract.
Wilks made a comment in a press conference  
BlackLight : 1/10/2023 1:32 pm : link
less than a month ago which suggested that ownership was trying to tank the season.

I don't think it got much traction at the time, but it could be an issue that keeps him from being retained.
And Mara has a checkbook also  
JoeMorrison40 : 1/10/2023 2:45 pm : link
To premp moves or counter
Good luck to him  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/10/2023 3:15 pm : link
Good his work is receiving recognition. Most likely he will be here still. Getting the experience is a good thing for him.

Appreciate the thoughts on sticking for the right job. Perhaps for some. For others a chance at a very big guaranteed contract.

Stay focused on the Vikings.

Panthers are also  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/10/2023 3:46 pm : link
Interviewing Ken Dorsey for the job. Seems like they will do their due diligence to get right guy in there. I seriously doubt Kafka is a top contender.
Hard to imagine Kafka  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/10/2023 3:57 pm : link
being able to assemble a quality coaching staff given his youth.
RE: Keep your Cotton-Pickin' hands off our coordinators  
HarryCarson53 : 1/10/2023 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15986880 Named Later said:
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The Giants have a long history of populating other teams with their better assistant coaches. From Landry to Lombardi to Spags......that's enough for a while.

Belichik and Payton come to mind.
RE: Hard to imagine Kafka  
bw in dc : 1/10/2023 7:29 pm : link
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being able to assemble a quality coaching staff given his youth.


Really? McVay got hired at 30 and clearly showed he had the judgment and connections to hire a quality staff.
RE: I hope this request is denied  
speedywheels : 1/10/2023 11:18 pm : link
In comment 15987258 JerrysKids said:
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what a distraction for Kafka. They should tell them no interviews until the end of the season.


Teams can’t deny a request for a promotion opportunity.

They also can’t dictate when interviews can happen.
I was listening to a sports program on Sirius  
sb2003 : 1/11/2023 12:26 am : link
and they said the Texans are pursuing and interview with Kafka. No word of the Panthers though.. hmm.
RE: RE: I hope this request is denied  
mfsd : 1/11/2023 7:17 am : link
In comment 15988073 speedywheels said:
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what a distraction for Kafka. They should tell them no interviews until the end of the season.



Teams can’t deny a request for a promotion opportunity.

They also can’t dictate when interviews can happen.


Nor do the Giants want to deny it. Losing good young coaches hurts, but blocking their chances of career advancement is a quick way to make sure other good young coaches are reluctant to come here
RE: I’d rather  
markky : 1/11/2023 8:57 am : link
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Have good coordinators other teams want to hire then be stuck with coordinators who are terrible like Jason Garrett. Winning is a double edge sword, but it’s better than the alternative.


Exactly. I'd rather be fretting over losing Kafka than fretting over keeping Judge.

Plus, if you're a manager you always want your guys to succeed and move up. It's part of life. Daboll and Schoen will have to deal with it.
So far he looks to wonky to be to be a HC  
MeanBunny : 1/12/2023 7:29 pm : link
Pat Shurmer comes to mind. Good offensive designer, lousy locker room motivator. I think Kafka needs more time in the saddle. What if the playoffs are a disaster do they still want him? Isn't this called tampering I thought we were not supposed to allow coaches to be spoken to until the playoffs are over
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