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Bisignano: Giants Think They'll go on a Run

mittenedman : 1/10/2023 7:36 am
This guy's had an excellent pulse of the team this year, he's in the building every day and he's clearly got sources. For example he reported in camp the Giants wanted Toney to play vs. NYJ and were concerned about his timing in a complicated offense. He also reported McK might play vs. the Colts before anyone got wind of it.

On yesterday's Giants Insider podcast, CB said a high ranking member of the Giants called him after the Eagles game and said "this feels like 2007", in that they just went toe to toe with the supposed #1 team and came within an onside kick of making it interesting. Bisignano then drove the point home that the players were bursting with confidence after the game.

Meanwhile, the Eagles seemed disturbed by the win. You could see Sirianni's frustration. They wanted to pull their starters but couldn't. They didn't want the QB taking hits and Wink was all over him. Hurts said after the game the Giants D changed their spots and caught them off guard (something Wink promised he'd do when he got here). There are rumors Hurts isn't going to be healthy until next season: when he ran he was sliding early. He's not expected to be in any better condition in the Playoffs. Without the RPO baked into his game he's not the same QB.

The feeling inside the building & lockerroom is the Giants are going to go on a run, and feel really confident vs. the Vikings & Eagles the next 2 weeks. I almost hate this kind of talk but it's out there, and it's nice to know where the team's head's at going into the tournament. I can't imagine MIN (or the Eagles) are feeling like this right now.

As Bisignano said a few times, after being in the lockerroom after the game, if you don't think the Giants believe they can go on a run "You're sadly mistaken."
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RE: This game and year can just as easily  
Optimus-NY : 1/10/2023 9:06 am : link
In comment 15986741 SomeFan said:
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be compared to 1997. That 1997 team was also very conservative offensively even by 1997 standards. Guess who we lost to in an away playoff game.


That was a home game at Giants Stadium, not an away game.
RE: This game and year can just as easily  
Giants86 : 1/10/2023 9:08 am : link
In comment 15986741 SomeFan said:
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be compared to 1997. That 1997 team was also very conservative offensively even by 1997 standards. Guess who we lost to in an away playoff game.



That game was a home playoff game
that collapse in the 1997 playoffs aggravated me for a long time  
Greg from LI : 1/10/2023 9:09 am : link
Total self-destruction.
RE: RE: This game and year can just as easily  
SomeFan : 1/10/2023 9:09 am : link
In comment 15986850 Optimus-NY said:
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be compared to 1997. That 1997 team was also very conservative offensively even by 1997 standards. Guess who we lost to in an away playoff game.



That was a home game at Giants Stadium, not an away game.
Oh, shoot, thanks. I think I made the mistake because I was away due to holidays but had gone to most games that year.
I'm an optimist by nature  
SLIM_ : 1/10/2023 9:11 am : link
but I have been very reserved on this team. There are some serious flaws and was waiting for the bottom to drop out. That said, if Azeez is healthy and LW is moderately healthy, I think we go to Minnesota and punch them in the mouth. As was previously litigated, we fumbled in the red zone, threw an interception, had a blocked punt and were really a couple of ticks away to even attempt a 61 yard fiel goal. I think we are the healthiest we've been in awhile where the Vikings are hurting on the OL.

Philly - They are a different team with Lane Johnson. Hurts had trouble with the pass rush last game and that was playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers. We have a puncher's chance which I think we would have all signed up for 3 months ago.

I think the pessimists need to stop making excuses about last game. Our backups played the Eagles tough. You can hang your hat on being down 19-0 in the 3rd. Go ahead - but you are then forgetting about not taking the opportunity to kick a field goal and giving them a short field after the onside kick to start the half.

Daboll rested his starters and the team had fun playing. I think we are peaking at the right time.
Beat the next team in front of you  
blueblood : 1/10/2023 9:11 am : link
its that simple. Nothing else matters and everything else will take care of itself.
I think it's great  
TJ : 1/10/2023 9:14 am : link
Sometimes a team might be grateful and feel accomplished just for making the playoffs after the performance of the last few seasons. It's great to hear the team believes it can do even more.
UConn  
cosmicj : 1/10/2023 9:20 am : link
The story is based on a phone call from someone inside the Giants. That’s the point.
RE: RE: RE: This game and year can just as easily  
Fat Wally : 1/10/2023 9:22 am : link
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be compared to 1997. That 1997 team was also very conservative offensively even by 1997 standards. Guess who we lost to in an away playoff game.

You want to hear another weird similarity with 1997 and 2022 seasons. We had a tie in 1997 which is the last tie for the Giants until this year against Washington in week 13. In 1997, the tie was against Washington in week 13. 1997 first year coach Jim Fassel. 2023 first year coach is Daboll.

I meant to say that this year our tie was also in week 13 against Washington.


And both teams had a QB named "Danny" and a QB from Duke
I said it in another thread  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/10/2023 9:25 am : link
I am feeling it too. Ladies and gents plug that +6000 superbowl winner ticket in now. You will have a chance to hedge against it by taking the moneyline of whoever we play in the NFC Championship game : )
They should be confident vs the Vikes  
JonC : 1/10/2023 9:31 am : link
they had opportunities to defeat them two weeks ago.

If they pull it off, the Eagles will most likely be waiting for a rematch at the Linc ...
RE: RE: I've sensed too much over confidence in general  
Brown_Hornet : 1/10/2023 9:32 am : link
In comment 15986844 Dr. D said:
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Coming from posts in here looking ahead to who the Giants would play in the divisional round. Sunday will not be a cake walk by any stretch.


Over confidence by fans on BBI will bite the team in the ass!

Stop it people!

/s
I grin everytime someone states that the fans need to take things "one game at a time."

So, after we beat the Vikings and Eagles, who do you think we'll face in the NFCC?

Something Daboll mentioned caught my ear this week.  
mittenedman : 1/10/2023 9:32 am : link
Daboll's usually very buttoned up during his PC's. And yes the WRs are subpar.

But the Giants have gone to a ton of 11 personnel the last few weeks as the OL has returned to health.

Daboll pointed out that all 3 WRs (Hodgins, Slayton and James) have good chemistry with Jones, and he trusts they will be where they're supposed to be, when they're supposed to be there. You can see that how he continually fits the ball into tight windows with confidence. He can read their body language, and they all work together extra after practice, etc.

DJ trusts these WRs, and they're on the same page, and that can help cover up some talent deficiencies. This is a timing/rhythm offense and these WRs (+ Bellinger & Barkley) are in a groove with Jones. He doesn't have a #1, but he's got 5 guys he's comfortable with.
RE: UConn  
UConn4523 : 1/10/2023 9:36 am : link
In comment 15986878 cosmicj said:
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The story is based on a phone call from someone inside the Giants. That’s the point.


I don’t know what that has to do with not being 100% focused on the Vikings. If we don’t win it isn’t going to be because Daboll was looking ahead to next weekend.
Is there a team in the playoffs that believes...  
lax counsel : 1/10/2023 9:43 am : link
It will be one and done? I am sure the Vikings are very confident they will be playing in the divisional round right now as well and are happy with their draw.

The Giants need a strong running game and pass rush to move on, they are not beating anyone through the air. This offense is one of the easier to stop of the teams in the playoffs. I am happy the team is confident, but there are major holes through the roster that the 07 team didn't have.
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ChrisRick : 1/10/2023 9:46 am : link
Certainly some teams enter the playoffs not confident in a win because of how they ended the regular season.
Feel may be the same but,  
Simms11 : 1/10/2023 9:49 am : link
this is still a team that struggles to stop the run and has nobody at WR that can take over a game, like a Justin Jefferson! I think we'll continue to see the same formula that got us here this year, pressure D and an offense that plays close to the vest.
this isnt to say they are right but it certainly looks that way  
Eric on Li : 1/10/2023 10:13 am : link
everyone hates the 2007 comparable because that was such an extreme outcome but it's also not unlike 2002. that team was poised to go on a run if they didn't have the meltdown in SF.

this team is young and anything can happen in the playoffs so nothing would really shock me. it's a different game and most of the nyg key players havent been there.

but i guess the same is true of cousins and the vikings. he's 1-2 in the postseason with just 3 tds and 1 int.
Reading BBI right now is totally surreal  
Producer : 1/10/2023 10:17 am : link
We lost as many games since Thanksgiving as the Vikings lost all season, yet fans here have convinced themselves we're definitely going to win on Sunday.
This feels nothing like 2007  
Essex : 1/10/2023 10:24 am : link
not that we finished the season gangbuster in 2007 with late season losses to Dallas, Minny, NE, and Washington, but this team was 3-6-1 in its last 10 games. There is nothing suggesting long run. Do I want a long run. Of course, I do. But, I also see real evidence before me that does not indicate one will happen. On Sunday, I will obviously be of the mindset anything can happen, but I have to be honest with the available evidence.
RE: Reading BBI right now is totally surreal  
lax counsel : 1/10/2023 10:26 am : link
In comment 15987014 Producer said:
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We lost as many games since Thanksgiving as the Vikings lost all season, yet fans here have convinced themselves we're definitely going to win on Sunday.


I have to agree, its a team propped up by a quality coaching staff that turned chicken sh*t into chicken salad. I am also somehow now reading that a qb with objective measurables in the bottom 1/3rd of the league is a $40mm a year player.

I'd rather be excited for the future with this coaching staff and GM than read its a lock for a W Sunday. I am hoping they win, but also would not be surprised if they do not. At best its 50/50.
RE: RE: Reading BBI right now is totally surreal  
Producer : 1/10/2023 10:33 am : link
In comment 15987036 lax counsel said:
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We lost as many games since Thanksgiving as the Vikings lost all season, yet fans here have convinced themselves we're definitely going to win on Sunday.



I have to agree, its a team propped up by a quality coaching staff that turned chicken sh*t into chicken salad. I am also somehow now reading that a qb with objective measurables in the bottom 1/3rd of the league is a $40mm a year player.

I'd rather be excited for the future with this coaching staff and GM than read its a lock for a W Sunday. I am hoping they win, but also would not be surprised if they do not. At best its 50/50.


Agreed. I think it will be a competitive, fun game between two flawed teams. It's not as simple as we played them close last time I know we're at full health sobwe should definitely win. It's a brand new game. There's no carry over. The Vikings get to make adjustments too.

At some point, though, Wink's propensity to blitz will get exposed. I don't know if Cousins will do it, but you can't blitz the best QBs in the game and get away with it.
* and now we're at full health so we should definitely win  
Producer : 1/10/2023 10:34 am : link
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Considering  
Photoguy : 1/10/2023 10:53 am : link
that this Giants team wasn't supposed to be here, I'll enjoy watching every second...win or lose. We still have a long way to go, though.
Run past Minny first.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/10/2023 11:09 am : link
It will not be easy. Last game is now irrelevant..
These guys  
PaulN : 1/10/2023 11:33 am : link
Stopped the run the first time they played Minnesota, it's all about matchups, and te Giants matchup well against the Vikings. The only 2 places where the matchup is bad is against Jefferson and the Vijings tight end. If Jackson can play and is close to 100% this will help a lot. The Giants are playing better now then they have all season, if you can't feel good now then why bother following the team and sport. It's never a guarantee, that team was excellent this season, but we have a good chance.
Using Giants in title is a bit  
joeinpa : 1/10/2023 11:39 am : link
Misleading

Chris said someone in the organization shared the opinion that this felt a little like 2007. I didn’t get the sense it was a feeling shared throughout the organization.

I heard the podcast, and am a fan of Bisignano, but this was not in any way a big deal in my opinion.

What I gather is there was a preference in the building to get another shot at the Vikings because the previous game demonstrated this is a game with a wider path to victory than would be a trip to SF.

I doubt very much that there is anything resembling over confidence amongst the team

Rather a confidence that they are playing well and can beat this team. Confidence is a good thing not to be confused with taking an opponent lightly and not maximizing preparation
This game is on the D-line.  
Ron Johnson : 1/10/2023 11:41 am : link
Their o-line is beat up. We have to put a lot of pressure on Cousins. If not they've got too many weapons.
This team is not 2007. It may feel like that to those players, but  
Heisenberg : 1/10/2023 11:54 am : link
cmon.
IF they feel confident they are going on a run  
Dave on the UWS : 1/10/2023 12:00 pm : link
it increases the chances they will play well in Minn. That's all it means.
That being said, they are playing as well as ANY team in the NFC at the moment. They may get smoked Sun. but on the flip side, there's no one they CAN'T beat.
Deep down, I think they believe that.
RE: Interesting  
Payasdaddy : 1/10/2023 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15986708 M.S. said:
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But all the talk about how "this feels like 2007" is really a bit too much.

The game is on the field this Sunday at Minnesota.


We don’t have close to 2007 talent. Vikes are a good match up vs a niners team but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. It could go either way and we are underdogs
We do seem to be peaking and getting healthy on D
Ojulari and adoree would be a big help this week. Think both would’ve played last week. Rest will help them
the better comparison is 2002  
Eric on Li : 1/10/2023 12:04 pm : link
that team was primed to go on a run and was in process of blowing the doors off SFG when depth collapsed and the defense got gassed.

this team is similarly thin so if they lost a DL or a CB things could similarly get dicey even if the offense is hitting it's stride. though this coaching staff has shown a ridiculous amount of adaptability and i think the depth is better than lance legree.

but they could similarly get done in a by a simple mistake at the end of the game since it's a lot of these guys first time in the playoffs. or another special teams error at the wrong time.
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NINEster : 1/10/2023 12:05 pm : link
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Coming from posts in here looking ahead to who the Giants would play in the divisional round. Sunday will not be a cake walk by any stretch.


Over confidence by fans on BBI will bite the team in the ass!

Stop it people!

/s

I grin everytime someone states that the fans need to take things "one game at a time."

So, after we beat the Vikings and Eagles, who do you think we'll face in the NFCC?


You know who it will be.

:)
RE: RE: Interesting  
Producer : 1/10/2023 12:24 pm : link
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But all the talk about how "this feels like 2007" is really a bit too much.

The game is on the field this Sunday at Minnesota.



We don’t have close to 2007 talent. Vikes are a good match up vs a niners team but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. It could go either way and we are underdogs
We do seem to be peaking and getting healthy on D
Ojulari and adoree would be a big help this week. Think both would’ve played last week. Rest will help them


I'm confused by this notion many have that we're peaking. This is a team who started 7-2 and has lost 4 games since Thanksgiving, right? How are we peaking? Because we beat the worst team in the league to clinch and didn't lose too badly to the Eagles?
At times like these  
DieHard : 1/10/2023 12:30 pm : link
I think of the words of Michael J Fox: "If you focus on the worst case scenario and it happens, you've lived it twice."
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Big Blue '56 : 1/10/2023 12:41 pm : link
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They better stay focused on the next game, not a “run”.

I’m smelling overconfidence. Beware.



Do you actually think they won’t be focused on Minnesota and instead are spending time on next weekends opponent which isn’t known yet?


Or go on a boat? 😎
RE: that collapse in the 1997 playoffs aggravated me for a long time  
Big Blue '56 : 1/10/2023 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15986855 Greg from LI said:
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Total self-destruction.


You may not believe this, but that game haunted me more than the 2002 playoff meltdown against SF..Stayed with me until 2007/2008
RE: that collapse in the 1997 playoffs aggravated me for a long time  
bw in dc : 1/10/2023 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15986855 Greg from LI said:
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Total self-destruction.


There were so many self-inflicted wounds. I will never forgive Chris Calloway.

But up by 9 with less than 2 minutes to go, you have to close that. What a kick in the balls.

I still say Jake Reed was out of bounds in the endzone.

RE: RE: that collapse in the 1997 playoffs aggravated me for a long time  
Big Blue '56 : 1/10/2023 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15987273 bw in dc said:
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Total self-destruction.



There were so many self-inflicted wounds. I will never forgive Chris Calloway.

But up by 9 with less than 2 minutes to go, you have to close that. What a kick in the balls.

I still say Jake Reed was out of bounds in the endzone.


Don’t exaggerate! It was a minute 30 left..:)
And yes, after that, Calloway was dead to me.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/10/2023 12:45 pm : link
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RE: Using Giants in title is a bit  
mittenedman : 1/10/2023 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15987155 joeinpa said:
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Misleading

Chris said someone in the organization shared the opinion that this felt a little like 2007. I didn’t get the sense it was a feeling shared throughout the organization.

I heard the podcast, and am a fan of Bisignano, but this was not in any way a big deal in my opinion.

What I gather is there was a preference in the building to get another shot at the Vikings because the previous game demonstrated this is a game with a wider path to victory than would be a trip to SF.

I doubt very much that there is anything resembling over confidence amongst the team

Rather a confidence that they are playing well and can beat this team. Confidence is a good thing not to be confused with taking an opponent lightly and not maximizing preparation


It's not misleading at all. He specifically said that was the message he was receiving from players after the game.
That's great but  
Blue Dream : 1/10/2023 12:46 pm : link
13 other teams think they are going on a run as well
Not Like 2007: Maybe More Like 2008  
clatterbuck : 1/10/2023 12:56 pm : link
when Giants were number 1 seed, considered by some the NFL's best team, then Plaxico happened, and we got upset at home by an effin' Iggles team that backed into the playoffs. Giants are becoming the trendy pick to upset the Vikes and it's never good when Giants are the trendy pick. But I trust Daboll and staff to have the team ready and I trust Cousins to spit the bit when it counts. I've read Hurts said he's in pain when he throws and he could very well be limited going into the divisional round. If we get by Minny I can see us getting a long-overdo, karma's-a-bitch revenge win against the Iggles. And if not us, I think whoever plays the Iggles will beat them.
what is encouraging  
djm : 1/10/2023 1:07 pm : link
is NYG have never been healthier. They also seem to be playing their best ball. Everyone knows their role, etc.

Go back to weeks 2-3-4 the WR position was in flux at that point or about to enter it. New guys (hodgins) would be starting before too long. Slayton was just finding his way on to the field. The same could be said for the edge position. Even OL now has Gates back with time under his belt.

IF the team has better or peak level football in it, one would think it's about to happen. Factor in their play the last 3-4 weeks.....seems like a logical leap to take.
my last post  
djm : 1/10/2023 1:10 pm : link
also bodes well for the future--it's great to see this team slowly progress through the season. They found ways to win when they weren't at their best but also did improve from both a team play POV and even just a roles/definition POV. Bodes well.
This does make me think  
jpennyva : 1/10/2023 1:18 pm : link
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The Giants backups came within an onside kick of making that game really interesting. It never should've come to that, and it forced the Eagles to play their starters the whole game when they didn't want to.


That the Giants would have won had they decided to play their starters. I am fine with the decision not to play them and of course we won't know unless, of course, the Giants face them later in the playoffs. I got a chuckle from this, too, because it made me think of the scene in The Princess Bride (my favorite movie) where Westley and Inigo are sword fighting. They start out both using their left hands and Inigo eventually admits he is not left handed so starts using his right. And, of course, Westley eventually switches to his right hand and eventually wins the duel (sorry for the spoiler for anyone who has not seen the movie, though I highly recommend it). I feel like the Giants were dueling with their left hand to Philly's right hand. Silly comparison, I know, but I thought it was a fun one.
RE: This does make me think  
TheEvilLurker : 1/10/2023 2:00 pm : link
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The Giants backups came within an onside kick of making that game really interesting. It never should've come to that, and it forced the Eagles to play their starters the whole game when they didn't want to.



That the Giants would have won had they decided to play their starters. I am fine with the decision not to play them and of course we won't know unless, of course, the Giants face them later in the playoffs. I got a chuckle from this, too, because it made me think of the scene in The Princess Bride (my favorite movie) where Westley and Inigo are sword fighting. They start out both using their left hands and Inigo eventually admits he is not left handed so starts using his right. And, of course, Westley eventually switches to his right hand and eventually wins the duel (sorry for the spoiler for anyone who has not seen the movie, though I highly recommend it). I feel like the Giants were dueling with their left hand to Philly's right hand. Silly comparison, I know, but I thought it was a fun one.


It reminded me of playing my brother in baseball as a kid, not taking the game seriously, hitting with left hand, goofing around running bases, and winning, with him taking it seriously and pissing him off. The more I joked around, the angrier he got.

It was a lot of fun.
Bow many high ranking members are there  
St. Jimmy : 1/10/2023 2:24 pm : link
left from 2007? Two or three?
It’s wide open  
WillVAB : 1/10/2023 10:00 pm : link
No one in the NFC this year is on the level of the Dallas or GB teams the ‘07 team beat. This team may not be as talented but it’s an easier path.
I’m thrilled they even made the playoffs  
HarryCarson53 : 1/11/2023 3:48 pm : link
This week is the SB for me. If we win, I’m going to Disneyland.

Vikes and Eagles are beatable. Don’t think we get past the 49ers or Cowgirls.
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