This guy's had an excellent pulse of the team this year, he's in the building every day and he's clearly got sources. For example he reported in camp the Giants wanted Toney to play vs. NYJ and were concerned about his timing in a complicated offense. He also reported McK might play vs. the Colts before anyone got wind of it.
On yesterday's Giants Insider podcast, CB said a high ranking member of the Giants called him after the Eagles game and said "this feels like 2007", in that they just went toe to toe with the supposed #1 team and came within an onside kick of making it interesting. Bisignano then drove the point home that the players were bursting with confidence after the game.
Meanwhile, the Eagles seemed disturbed by the win. You could see Sirianni's frustration. They wanted to pull their starters but couldn't. They didn't want the QB taking hits and Wink was all over him. Hurts said after the game the Giants D changed their spots and caught them off guard (something Wink promised he'd do when he got here). There are rumors Hurts isn't going to be healthy until next season: when he ran he was sliding early. He's not expected to be in any better condition in the Playoffs. Without the RPO baked into his game he's not the same QB.
The feeling inside the building & lockerroom is the Giants are going to go on a run, and feel really confident vs. the Vikings & Eagles the next 2 weeks. I almost hate this kind of talk but it's out there, and it's nice to know where the team's head's at going into the tournament. I can't imagine MIN (or the Eagles) are feeling like this right now.
As Bisignano said a few times, after being in the lockerroom after the game, if you don't think the Giants believe they can go on a run "You're sadly mistaken."
But all the talk about how "this feels like 2007" is really a bit too much.
The game is on the field this Sunday at Minnesota.
I’m smelling overconfidence. Beware.
That's the thing though. You can't just buy that feeling. You're either peaking at the right time or you aren't.
To temper the comparisons all week leading up to the game and NOW - hey you know what?! 2007 vibes!!! .... Nah. Let's see how we do against a tough team in Minnesota and go from there.
Also I wish Jerry was more a part of the show. Chris can get a little annoying at times
I'm not sure what you're arguing. Who cares about the 3rd Quarter? It's a 60 minute game.
The Giants backups came within an onside kick of making that game really interesting. It never should've come to that, and it forced the Eagles to play their starters the whole game when they didn't want to.
That (along with the overall way the team's played and getting some injured players back) is making the Giants feel very confident.
Are you arguing they shouldn't be? Who really cares. That's how they feel. As an "underdog" heading into the playoffs this is how I want them feeling. Not just happy to be here, but on a mission.
Think win, um, win win.
2007 was a very talented, underperforming team in the regular season with a HOF pass rusher at the end of his career looking for redemption from a missed opportunity in ‘00, and a future HOF QB who came online during the run.
This is a severely over-performing team, but bereft of talent at WR and CB in a passing league. They may steal a game or 2, but Philly still steamrolled ‘em on their home turf, were swept by the Cowboys in decisive fashion, and the SF, Bills, KC’s of the world are just overpowered, with the latter 2 being terrible match up fits.
I hope I’m wrong, but honestly, I’m just gonna enjoy the first good season in a long time, a team trending in the right direction, and hope they kick the Vikings teeth in. Forget shades of ‘07, this weekend I want shades of ‘00 Giants v Vikings.
Giants were never really a threat to win this sunday. as i mentioned, be confident by all means, this seems like a complete stretch to compare situations and find parallels.
If i’d draw confidence heading into this playoff season, i’d point to the recent showing in minnesota as a reason for optimism.
Actually, 19-0 was a bit of a victory itself. Kept their starters on the field. They were hoping for 19-0 in the first quarter.
The D, if Jackson comes back can keep them in games imv. Can the O score enough points though?
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be compared to 1997. That 1997 team was also very conservative offensively even by 1997 standards. Guess who we lost to in an away playoff game.
You want to hear another weird similarity with 1997 and 2022 seasons. We had a tie in 1997 which is the last tie for the Giants until this year against Washington in week 13. In 1997, the tie was against Washington in week 13. 1997 first year coach Jim Fassel. 2023 first year coach is Daboll.
Now, the Giants are going on a run in the playoffs.
Minny is going to be a real tough game folks. Lets focus on that.
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be compared to 1997. That 1997 team was also very conservative offensively even by 1997 standards. Guess who we lost to in an away playoff game.
You want to hear another weird similarity with 1997 and 2022 seasons. We had a tie in 1997 which is the last tie for the Giants until this year against Washington in week 13. In 1997, the tie was against Washington in week 13. 1997 first year coach Jim Fassel. 2023 first year coach is Daboll.
I meant to say that this year our tie was also in week 13 against Washington.
Not to be a bummer but the last Giants headcoach to win coach of the year was Fassel in 1997. Seems that Daboll will be the COTY this year. I think this season has much more in common with 1997 than 2007.
Would we have been better off if the Giants played San Fran. We could have traveled to CA early in the week with the probability that Wink would make magic against that juggernaut QB Brock fucking Purdy.
2007 was a very talented, underperforming team in the regular season with a HOF pass rusher at the end of his career looking for redemption from a missed opportunity in ‘00, and a future HOF QB who came online during the run.
This is a severely over-performing team, but bereft of talent at WR and CB in a passing league. They may steal a game or 2, but Philly still steamrolled ‘em on their home turf, were swept by the Cowboys in decisive fashion, and the SF, Bills, KC’s of the world are just overpowered, with the latter 2 being terrible match up fits.
I hope I’m wrong, but honestly, I’m just gonna enjoy the first good season in a long time, a team trending in the right direction, and hope they kick the Vikings teeth in. Forget shades of ‘07, this weekend I want shades of ‘00 Giants v Vikings.
Very well started sir
I’m smelling overconfidence. Beware.
Do you actually think they won’t be focused on Minnesota and instead are spending time on next weekends opponent which isn’t known yet?
Yes, I feel they should beat the Vikings. Not so sure after that.
Exactly.
For me, it's not really about 2007, but it could be a little like 1985, when they got clobbered by the Bears but that drubbing served as a catalyst for a championship in '86. If memory serves, it was Phil Simms who touched upon that in "Giants Among Men."
The poor WR group has had real time on the field to better understand the offence and build chemistry with DJ.
Our pass rush is improving.
We are getting decent LB play of late.
Much like our WRs our CBs have been getting real experience due to injury.
Combine this with really no hot team in the NFC (Eagles, Cowboys, Minny not looking all that great last few weeks. SF barely gets by Las Vegas in Week 17) a run is certainly possible.
Over confidence by fans on BBI will bite the team in the ass!
Stop it people!
/s
That was a home game at Giants Stadium, not an away game.
That game was a home playoff game
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be compared to 1997. That 1997 team was also very conservative offensively even by 1997 standards. Guess who we lost to in an away playoff game.
That was a home game at Giants Stadium, not an away game.
Philly - They are a different team with Lane Johnson. Hurts had trouble with the pass rush last game and that was playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers. We have a puncher's chance which I think we would have all signed up for 3 months ago.
I think the pessimists need to stop making excuses about last game. Our backups played the Eagles tough. You can hang your hat on being down 19-0 in the 3rd. Go ahead - but you are then forgetting about not taking the opportunity to kick a field goal and giving them a short field after the onside kick to start the half.
Daboll rested his starters and the team had fun playing. I think we are peaking at the right time.
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be compared to 1997. That 1997 team was also very conservative offensively even by 1997 standards. Guess who we lost to in an away playoff game.
You want to hear another weird similarity with 1997 and 2022 seasons. We had a tie in 1997 which is the last tie for the Giants until this year against Washington in week 13. In 1997, the tie was against Washington in week 13. 1997 first year coach Jim Fassel. 2023 first year coach is Daboll.
I meant to say that this year our tie was also in week 13 against Washington.
And both teams had a QB named "Danny" and a QB from Duke
If they pull it off, the Eagles will most likely be waiting for a rematch at the Linc ...
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Coming from posts in here looking ahead to who the Giants would play in the divisional round. Sunday will not be a cake walk by any stretch.
Over confidence by fans on BBI will bite the team in the ass!
Stop it people!
/s
So, after we beat the Vikings and Eagles, who do you think we'll face in the NFCC?
But the Giants have gone to a ton of 11 personnel the last few weeks as the OL has returned to health.
Daboll pointed out that all 3 WRs (Hodgins, Slayton and James) have good chemistry with Jones, and he trusts they will be where they're supposed to be, when they're supposed to be there. You can see that how he continually fits the ball into tight windows with confidence. He can read their body language, and they all work together extra after practice, etc.
DJ trusts these WRs, and they're on the same page, and that can help cover up some talent deficiencies. This is a timing/rhythm offense and these WRs (+ Bellinger & Barkley) are in a groove with Jones. He doesn't have a #1, but he's got 5 guys he's comfortable with.
I don’t know what that has to do with not being 100% focused on the Vikings. If we don’t win it isn’t going to be because Daboll was looking ahead to next weekend.
The Giants need a strong running game and pass rush to move on, they are not beating anyone through the air. This offense is one of the easier to stop of the teams in the playoffs. I am happy the team is confident, but there are major holes through the roster that the 07 team didn't have.
this team is young and anything can happen in the playoffs so nothing would really shock me. it's a different game and most of the nyg key players havent been there.
but i guess the same is true of cousins and the vikings. he's 1-2 in the postseason with just 3 tds and 1 int.
I have to agree, its a team propped up by a quality coaching staff that turned chicken sh*t into chicken salad. I am also somehow now reading that a qb with objective measurables in the bottom 1/3rd of the league is a $40mm a year player.
I'd rather be excited for the future with this coaching staff and GM than read its a lock for a W Sunday. I am hoping they win, but also would not be surprised if they do not. At best its 50/50.
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We lost as many games since Thanksgiving as the Vikings lost all season, yet fans here have convinced themselves we're definitely going to win on Sunday.
I have to agree, its a team propped up by a quality coaching staff that turned chicken sh*t into chicken salad. I am also somehow now reading that a qb with objective measurables in the bottom 1/3rd of the league is a $40mm a year player.
I'd rather be excited for the future with this coaching staff and GM than read its a lock for a W Sunday. I am hoping they win, but also would not be surprised if they do not. At best its 50/50.
Agreed. I think it will be a competitive, fun game between two flawed teams. It's not as simple as we played them close last time I know we're at full health sobwe should definitely win. It's a brand new game. There's no carry over. The Vikings get to make adjustments too.
At some point, though, Wink's propensity to blitz will get exposed. I don't know if Cousins will do it, but you can't blitz the best QBs in the game and get away with it.
Chris said someone in the organization shared the opinion that this felt a little like 2007. I didn’t get the sense it was a feeling shared throughout the organization.
I heard the podcast, and am a fan of Bisignano, but this was not in any way a big deal in my opinion.
What I gather is there was a preference in the building to get another shot at the Vikings because the previous game demonstrated this is a game with a wider path to victory than would be a trip to SF.
I doubt very much that there is anything resembling over confidence amongst the team
Rather a confidence that they are playing well and can beat this team. Confidence is a good thing not to be confused with taking an opponent lightly and not maximizing preparation
That being said, they are playing as well as ANY team in the NFC at the moment. They may get smoked Sun. but on the flip side, there's no one they CAN'T beat.
Deep down, I think they believe that.
But all the talk about how "this feels like 2007" is really a bit too much.
The game is on the field this Sunday at Minnesota.
We don’t have close to 2007 talent. Vikes are a good match up vs a niners team but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. It could go either way and we are underdogs
We do seem to be peaking and getting healthy on D
Ojulari and adoree would be a big help this week. Think both would’ve played last week. Rest will help them
this team is similarly thin so if they lost a DL or a CB things could similarly get dicey even if the offense is hitting it's stride. though this coaching staff has shown a ridiculous amount of adaptability and i think the depth is better than lance legree.
but they could similarly get done in a by a simple mistake at the end of the game since it's a lot of these guys first time in the playoffs. or another special teams error at the wrong time.
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Coming from posts in here looking ahead to who the Giants would play in the divisional round. Sunday will not be a cake walk by any stretch.
Over confidence by fans on BBI will bite the team in the ass!
Stop it people!
/s
I grin everytime someone states that the fans need to take things "one game at a time."
So, after we beat the Vikings and Eagles, who do you think we'll face in the NFCC?
You know who it will be.
:)
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But all the talk about how "this feels like 2007" is really a bit too much.
The game is on the field this Sunday at Minnesota.
We don’t have close to 2007 talent. Vikes are a good match up vs a niners team but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. It could go either way and we are underdogs
We do seem to be peaking and getting healthy on D
Ojulari and adoree would be a big help this week. Think both would’ve played last week. Rest will help them
I'm confused by this notion many have that we're peaking. This is a team who started 7-2 and has lost 4 games since Thanksgiving, right? How are we peaking? Because we beat the worst team in the league to clinch and didn't lose too badly to the Eagles?
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They better stay focused on the next game, not a “run”.
I’m smelling overconfidence. Beware.
Do you actually think they won’t be focused on Minnesota and instead are spending time on next weekends opponent which isn’t known yet?
Or go on a boat? 😎
You may not believe this, but that game haunted me more than the 2002 playoff meltdown against SF..Stayed with me until 2007/2008
There were so many self-inflicted wounds. I will never forgive Chris Calloway.
But up by 9 with less than 2 minutes to go, you have to close that. What a kick in the balls.
I still say Jake Reed was out of bounds in the endzone.
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Total self-destruction.
There were so many self-inflicted wounds. I will never forgive Chris Calloway.
But up by 9 with less than 2 minutes to go, you have to close that. What a kick in the balls.
I still say Jake Reed was out of bounds in the endzone.
Don’t exaggerate! It was a minute 30 left..:)
Chris said someone in the organization shared the opinion that this felt a little like 2007. I didn’t get the sense it was a feeling shared throughout the organization.
I heard the podcast, and am a fan of Bisignano, but this was not in any way a big deal in my opinion.
What I gather is there was a preference in the building to get another shot at the Vikings because the previous game demonstrated this is a game with a wider path to victory than would be a trip to SF.
I doubt very much that there is anything resembling over confidence amongst the team
Rather a confidence that they are playing well and can beat this team. Confidence is a good thing not to be confused with taking an opponent lightly and not maximizing preparation
It's not misleading at all. He specifically said that was the message he was receiving from players after the game.
Go back to weeks 2-3-4 the WR position was in flux at that point or about to enter it. New guys (hodgins) would be starting before too long. Slayton was just finding his way on to the field. The same could be said for the edge position. Even OL now has Gates back with time under his belt.
IF the team has better or peak level football in it, one would think it's about to happen. Factor in their play the last 3-4 weeks.....seems like a logical leap to take.
That the Giants would have won had they decided to play their starters. I am fine with the decision not to play them and of course we won't know unless, of course, the Giants face them later in the playoffs. I got a chuckle from this, too, because it made me think of the scene in The Princess Bride (my favorite movie) where Westley and Inigo are sword fighting. They start out both using their left hands and Inigo eventually admits he is not left handed so starts using his right. And, of course, Westley eventually switches to his right hand and eventually wins the duel (sorry for the spoiler for anyone who has not seen the movie, though I highly recommend it). I feel like the Giants were dueling with their left hand to Philly's right hand. Silly comparison, I know, but I thought it was a fun one.
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The Giants backups came within an onside kick of making that game really interesting. It never should've come to that, and it forced the Eagles to play their starters the whole game when they didn't want to.
That the Giants would have won had they decided to play their starters. I am fine with the decision not to play them and of course we won't know unless, of course, the Giants face them later in the playoffs. I got a chuckle from this, too, because it made me think of the scene in The Princess Bride (my favorite movie) where Westley and Inigo are sword fighting. They start out both using their left hands and Inigo eventually admits he is not left handed so starts using his right. And, of course, Westley eventually switches to his right hand and eventually wins the duel (sorry for the spoiler for anyone who has not seen the movie, though I highly recommend it). I feel like the Giants were dueling with their left hand to Philly's right hand. Silly comparison, I know, but I thought it was a fun one.
It reminded me of playing my brother in baseball as a kid, not taking the game seriously, hitting with left hand, goofing around running bases, and winning, with him taking it seriously and pissing him off. The more I joked around, the angrier he got.
It was a lot of fun.
Vikes and Eagles are beatable. Don’t think we get past the 49ers or Cowgirls.