Beginning with Daniel Jones's rookie year, he has shown fairly steady improvement every year.
1) Completion percentage has gone from 61.9 to 62.5, 64.3, and 67.2% this year.
2) Fumbles/lost went from 18-11 to 11-6, 7-3, and 6-3 this year.
3) Interceptions went from 12 to 10, 7, and 5 this year
4) Rushing yardage went from 45-279 to 65-423, 62-298, and 120-708 this year.
5) His QBR went from 55.7 to 54.0, 41.5, and back up to 60.6 this year.
If you are looking to understand why Jones has suddenly blossomed into a franchise QB, the biggest difference is he doubled the number of runs from 62 last year to 120 runs this year and the yardage from 298 to 708 yards. From his rookie year, he has significantly cut down on fumbles and interceptions. The new coaching staff decided to use his legs and turn him into something like Josh Allen. Instead of taking sacks for loss, he is turning those same adverse circumstances into positive gains.
His 17 runs in the Minnesota game is more than either Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson ran in any game this year. He is becoming a dangerous weapon. The only other QB with this many runs in a game is Jalen Hurts, who has many thinking he is this season's MVP. If Jones continues this trend, with his passing accuracy, he could prove to be even better than Hurts.
Philly has to stop the Giants attack. First time we have had to say that in a while. They can't let the Giants control the ball and have these massive time consuming drives.
Except he’s been doing it for awhile but let’s not let facts get in the way of this jackass’s agenda
Every year.....he improves on the things that concern people
Turnovers....fumbling and INTs
Accuracy
Pocket feel
Red Zone
Durability
Release....his release is much quicker
And every year, obvious improvements are seen.
Now, with reliable weapons and an OL that is more consistent,
He has turned into a solid QB.
One has to laugh...at the doubters.....they are still poking holes.....he lead the league in turnover efficiency, he is putting games on his back....most are seeing it.
Some are just too stubborn to budge on their view.....as it even matters. No one cares what you think....and Jones owes you guys nothing.
If the Giants somehow win the Super Bowl with Daniel Jones picked as the MVP, Producer will say he has to do it in back to back years. And even if he accomplishes that, he will then say he has to win as many as Brady.
Producer, as the kids say, "Just take L."
So it’s really 13 rushes if we’re going to compare rushing attempts.
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If the Giants somehow win the Super Bowl with Daniel Jones picked as the MVP, Producer will say he has to do it in back to back years. And even if he accomplishes that, he will then say he has to win as many as Brady.
Why you guys even interact with this idiot I’ll never know. I stopped awhile ago. Almost to Terpsian level
@ MIN the next week, played almost perfect.
IND to clinch a Playoff spot, played a great game.
And now @ MIN again, plays the game of his life.
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That's 4 weeks in a row now (3 road games), he's been deadly in high stakes football games. That WAS game was a big division win on the road, against a quality D, with the season on the line and them having 2 weeks to prepare after just playing us. If we don't win that game it's WAS playing MIN last week. They only weren't a Playoff team because they lost to NYG.
Sure, he has to play well vs. PHI. He has to play well every week. That's what being a starting QB is. But there's little reason to think he won't. At this point, it would be an anomaly if he didn't.
Who cares what you think.... Go away.
@ MIN the next week, played almost perfect.
IND to clinch a Playoff spot, played a great game.
And now @ MIN again, plays the game of his life.
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That's 4 weeks in a row now (3 road games), he's been deadly in high stakes football games. That WAS game was a big division win on the road, against a quality D, with the season on the line and them having 2 weeks to prepare after just playing us. If we don't win that game it's WAS playing MIN last week. They only weren't a Playoff team because they lost to NYG.
Sure, he has to play well vs. PHI. He has to play well every week. That's what being a starting QB is. But there's little reason to think he won't. At this point, it would be an anomaly if he didn't.
And if he doesn’t play well, we most likely lose. It happens..
Imagine if Neal hits his ceiling as a top 10 pick next year? His scouting report suggested he had "best OL in the league" type upside if it clicks. Danny Dimes with 2 Pro Bowl OTs. Giants in good shape offensively.
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If the Giants somehow win the Super Bowl with Daniel Jones picked as the MVP, Producer will say he has to do it in back to back years. And even if he accomplishes that, he will then say he has to win as many as Brady.
Why you guys even interact with this idiot I’ll never know. I stopped awhile ago. Almost to Terpsian level
Exactly. I rarely post but I’ve watched as he and Terps whined and moaned like little girls, clearly blinded by some weird hate for Jones that really had nothing to do with the betterment of the team.
Folks need to ignore them. Time is the best prophet and over time they’ve proven what special kind of dummies they are. Move on.
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If the Giants somehow win the Super Bowl with Daniel Jones picked as the MVP, Producer will say he has to do it in back to back years. And even if he accomplishes that, he will then say he has to win as many as Brady.
Why you guys even interact with this idiot I’ll never know. I stopped awhile ago. Almost to Terpsian level
Terps/Mook made this place completely unenjoyable.
Yeah, they brought a different thought process (I’d say almost contrarian at that) but at the end of the day they’d say the same thing on a daily basis.
It got old quick.
This year continue with it though!
Minn was his best game, until it was Wash2, until it was Indy until it was Minn2...
Every QB has bad games.
If you're still waiting for Jones to arrive, either you don't know what you're looking at or you haven't been paying attention.
This year continue with it though!
This is important. He cannot run 13 times each game and survive a season unscathed. I thought Kafka called about 3 or 4 too many designed plays for him. I kept saying to myself to let Barkley run. But it worked.
We all saw it, and I said it numerous times, starting the the WFT 2nd game, Jones started throwing the ball with authority. I thought it was readily apparent. In my view it stood out.
The Eagles game will be interesting. They were easily the best NFC team for 3/4 of the year and hit a slump. Hurts injury and Layne Johnson were big injuries. Their defense, isn't 49ers good, but it is very good.
I am looking forward to seeing what Kafka and Daboll can conjure up to slow down that pass rush. They will need a lot of misdirection and I think a lot of quick passes to the RBs - perhaps two RB sets.
I remember reading one of your posts alluding to the idea when Jones runs for a 100 yards the Giants will win. Considering your history as a poster I perceived this as just another shot at Daniel.
Of course you conveniently left out the part about him throwing for 300+ yards, an historic game.
DJ has proven you wrong every step of the way, but instead of just being happy he has done so, you continue to move the goal posts.
The debate about will the Giants want to resign him is over, the debate about his ability to be the guy as well, some are even using the word “elite” to describe his play.
The argument about Daniel is old, stale and should be a thing of the past. It s puzzling why you attempt to keep it alive.
I’m assuming that you are referring to the “dud” that Hurts had in week 18 when production went from 48 points against our 1st stringers to 22 against our backups - in what may be assumed to be the Eagles most important game of the year - that kind of dud?
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Let's start with that, ok. Every QB has great games. Now he has to do it almost every week. That's what great QBs do. Mostly great games, a few good games, and a few duds are gonna happen.
I remember reading one of your posts alluding to the idea when Jones runs for a 100 yards the Giants will win. Considering your history as a poster I perceived this as just another shot at Daniel.
Of course you conveniently left out the part about him throwing for 300+ yards, an historic game.
DJ has proven you wrong every step of the way, but instead of just being happy he has done so, you continue to move the goal posts.
The debate about will the Giants want to resign him is over, the debate about his ability to be the guy as well, some are even using the word “elite” to describe his play.
The argument about Daniel is old, stale and should be a thing of the past. It s puzzling why you attempt to keep it alive.
Mental disorder? or is he really just a troll?
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Let's start with that, ok. Every QB has great games. Now he has to do it almost every week. That's what great QBs do. Mostly great games, a few good games, and a few duds are gonna happen.
I’m assuming that you are referring to the “dud” that Hurts had in week 18 when production went from 48 points against our 1st stringers to 22 against our backups - in what may be assumed to be the Eagles most important game of the year - that kind of dud?
FWIW, Hurts was still injured(and may still be) so he did not run as he had been doing. I am pretty sure that he picks up a few 1st downs with his legs in that last game if he was healthy. In that case, the score would have been completely different. He did just enough to win. Now if Webb had been slightly better in the 1st half of the game, and the Giants closer at the half, perhaps Hurts then needs to run more.
I suspect, there will be very little holding back this week on Hurts scrambles. They may not let him do too many designed runs, but he will try to make plays scrambling.
This team does not make the playoffs, let alone beat Minny, if Jones does not pass with flying colors. On Sunday specifically he threw for 300 yards. 56 went to Barkley. Who did the other 250 yards go to? Hodgins, James, Slayton and Bellinger? Are you kidding me? Talk about raising the level of play of your teammates. And that's putting aside his 78 yards rushing and putting his body on the line.
No question, DJ carried this team. He put them on his back and got them the first playoff W in forever.
Coaching matters. Schemes matter. Of course they do. And Daboll and Kafka get a ton of credit for putting Jones in a position to succeed. But Jones is the one who had to execute with Juvie WR's. And he did in spades. Daniel Jones is a tough SOB who studies hard and works even harder. He has proven the doubters wrong. He may and will likely have some dud games, all QB's do, but he is emphatically not a "game manager" type QB in this league. If you still think that, then I have no clue what you've been watching all season.
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Let's start with that, ok. Every QB has great games. Now he has to do it almost every week. That's what great QBs do. Mostly great games, a few good games, and a few duds are gonna happen.
I’m assuming that you are referring to the “dud” that Hurts had in week 18 when production went from 48 points against our 1st stringers to 22 against our backups - in what may be assumed to be the Eagles most important game of the year - that kind of dud?
FWIW, Hurts was still injured(and may still be) so he did not run as he had been doing. I am pretty sure that he picks up a few 1st downs with his legs in that last game if he was healthy. In that case, the score would have been completely different. He did just enough to win. Now if Webb had been slightly better in the 1st half of the game, and the Giants closer at the half, perhaps Hurts then needs to run more.
I suspect, there will be very little holding back this week on Hurts scrambles. They may not let him do too many designed runs, but he will try to make plays scrambling.
So you are referring to the “excuses” that have been rumored to be part of the M O of the DJFC all these years….
The whole point of the OP is that this is not an anomaly. For anyone with eyes at this point, it is pretty obvious who DJ is. DJ has been very good to great all year. He was a very good QB last year. He may still only end up being a very good QB (to 10 to 15), but he has shown signs of being top 10 and in conversation for top 5. If he throws an absolute stinker on Saturday that does not change.
Are we overrating Jones by mistaking his best play for his normal play?
In his rookie season, we probably did. Now, I don’t think so. He’s established a new baseline for his performance.
Does that mean that against Philadelphia we can expect the same kind of game from him that he had against Minnesota and Indianapolis? No, because the Eagles are better. But I don’t think we are going to see some kind of big regression; he’s not going to be “exposed.” If the line doesn’t hold up, he’ll struggle—but every QB struggles with poor protection. DJ has shown us how good he can be, and he’s sustained a high level of play long enough that it can’t be dismissed as a fluke or one-off.
Now we have to avoid thinking of his worst play as his normal play and underrating him.
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Producer, I agree this trend must continue before we are confident the last Minny game was not an anomaly. Who knows what the game plan for Philly will be? But one thing that will help the Giants win is to keep Hurts contained and not let him run.
The whole point of the OP is that this is not an anomaly. For anyone with eyes at this point, it is pretty obvious who DJ is. DJ has been very good to great all year. He was a very good QB last year. He may still only end up being a very good QB (to 10 to 15), but he has shown signs of being top 10 and in conversation for top 5. If he throws an absolute stinker on Saturday that does not change.
Statistically, DJ's already in the top 10 in some categories, including QBR (#8). It's pretty reasonable to expect his passing yards and TDs will increase next year, as our pass protection improves and we add a WR or 2.
The offensive game plan has obviously changed recently (I think Kafka and Daboll knew they had to start passing more on early downs and the emergence of Hodgins has helped). If you just extrapolate his passing numbers from the last few games over a full season, I think it would put him in top 10. Besides the fact that he's one of only 8 QBs still playing (and he's a big reason for that, not just along for ride), I don't buy that he's not going to be top 10. I think he already is and he's not a finished product.
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If the Giants somehow win the Super Bowl with Daniel Jones picked as the MVP, Producer will say he has to do it in back to back years. And even if he accomplishes that, he will then say he has to win as many as Brady.
He will just keep saying "next game" until eventually Jones plays a bad one, and then say "see, I was right". If he didn't like Brady he would point to last night, skipping over his 22 years, and say see I was right
Big, tough, smart, fast, competitive, classy, and in the age of social media blowhards he keeps his mouth SHUT like an old school badass. Millions of clowns disrespecting him while the dysfunctional organization dysfunctions? Not a word. Keeps his head down and keeps at it.
This is my kind of dude. I question how anyone couldn't be a fan of this guy, and how he plays the game, and how he's persevered in a tough market. I consider myself lucky I get to watch this dude lay it all on the line for the next few years. He's worth showing up for.
Proud member of the DJFC.
Are we overrating Jones by mistaking his best play for his normal play?
In his rookie season, we probably did. Now, I don’t think so. He’s established a new baseline for his performance.
Does that mean that against Philadelphia we can expect the same kind of game from him that he had against Minnesota and Indianapolis? No, because the Eagles are better. But I don’t think we are going to see some kind of big regression; he’s not going to be “exposed.” If the line doesn’t hold up, he’ll struggle—but every QB struggles with poor protection. DJ has shown us how good he can be, and he’s sustained a high level of play long enough that it can’t be dismissed as a fluke or one-off.
Now we have to avoid thinking of his worst play as his normal play and underrating him.
Well put. I have seen very few losses that could be pinned on Jones in the last two years despite lack fo support.
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Let's start with that, ok. Every QB has great games. Now he has to do it almost every week. That's what great QBs do. Mostly great games, a few good games, and a few duds are gonna happen.
I’m assuming that you are referring to the “dud” that Hurts had in week 18 when production went from 48 points against our 1st stringers to 22 against our backups - in what may be assumed to be the Eagles most important game of the year - that kind of dud?
FWIW, Hurts was still injured(and may still be) so he did not run as he had been doing. I am pretty sure that he picks up a few 1st downs with his legs in that last game if he was healthy. In that case, the score would have been completely different. He did just enough to win. Now if Webb had been slightly better in the 1st half of the game, and the Giants closer at the half, perhaps Hurts then needs to run more.
I suspect, there will be very little holding back this week on Hurts scrambles. They may not let him do too many designed runs, but he will try to make plays scrambling.
The Giants need to hit him early and often. find out right away if he's healthy.
However every coach to a fault has said they love Jones. In fact Jason Garrett stopped the nbc broadcast to say he was one of his all time favorite people! Judge went to bat for him saying he’sa tough mfer. I don’t think this odd hyperbole!
On top of this he is universally known as a team oriented hard worker who leads by example.
So for me it’s as simple as does he have the tools
Does he give maximum effort
Does he set the culture the right way
Yes to all those, the last piece was could he recover from poor coaching/ talent and grow as a player? I think he is answering that this season.
Jones can throw the ball well you saw that his first game but when he runs? He may start to enter the elite conversation.
Long way to go before that and he’s running into a tough defense that will be geared up to stop the run so let’s see. That being said it’s super hard not to root for this kid.
Big, tough, smart, fast, competitive, classy, and in the age of social media blowhards he keeps his mouth SHUT like an old school badass. Millions of clowns disrespecting him while the dysfunctional organization dysfunctions? Not a word. Keeps his head down and keeps at it.
This is my kind of dude. I question how anyone couldn't be a fan of this guy, and how he plays the game, and how he's persevered in a tough market. I consider myself lucky I get to watch this dude lay it all on the line for the next few years. He's worth showing up for.
Proud member of the DJFC.
My mistake, mman. I should have added “[/sarcasm]”.
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Producer, I agree this trend must continue before we are confident the last Minny game was not an anomaly. Who knows what the game plan for Philly will be? But one thing that will help the Giants win is to keep Hurts contained and not let him run.
Except he’s been doing it for awhile but let’s not let facts get in the way of this jackass’s agenda
It's just obstinance at this point. It's clear Daniel Jones is a starter in this league at this point. It's premature to call him elite, but Jones has demonstrated the ability to consistently be an above average QB and sometimes fantastic. Acting like it's only the last 3 weeks against trash teams is disingenuous at best.
I know QBR is more BWs things, but since the Bye (including playoffs) Daniel Jones has only two sub 50 QBR games. Compared to the other QBs in the playoffs over that same timespan, BBI QB darling Justin Herbert, Tom Brady and Kirk Cousins have 5, Dak Prescott and Trevor Lawrence have 4 , Allen and Geno Smith have 3, Joe Burrow has 2. Even Mahomes has 1 and that dude is basically an alien. Hell, Tua has 3 and he hasn't played a game since Christmas.
This is obviously a superficial comparison that I wouldn't call an analysis, but it's interesting to see and points to DJ trending upwards and playing well. How high is the ceiling? Who knows. But it hasn't just been the last 2-3 games against awful teams.
Do you think he may have improved in many areas because he has a better OL, a better running game and WRs that I think are improving? I believe he always had the talent.
Act like a fan or fuck off?