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NFT: Mets chat: 6 Mets make BA top 100/Duvall signs with Boston

DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:19 am
#9 Alvarez
#16 Senga
#33 Baty
#50 Parada
#92 Ramirez
#98 Williams

Notable: Mauricio did not make the top 100. It's clear the scouting/prospect industry are far lower on Ronny Mauricio than many @mets fans are. I'm not saying one side is right, but that much is evident.

-Adam Duvall signed with Boston, 1 year 7 with incentives
Ex-Met prospects  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:20 am : link
Endy Rodriguez at 23

Pete Crow-Armstrong at 25
ah, Senga  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:21 am : link
I was shocked at the 6 making it, but forgot about Senga
Mets have a very impressive farm system right now  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:24 am : link
though I don't really consider Senga a prospect, that list doesn't include Vientos and Mauricio, both of whom could have valuable roles with the MLB team going forward. Nor does it include any of their pitchers. Though they don't have any guys that look like definitive aces, they have some very interesting guys.

Really liked the int'l signings as well
RE: Ex-Met prospects  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:26 am : link
In comment 16000468 DanMetroMan said:
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Endy Rodriguez at 23

Pete Crow-Armstrong at 25


That hurts, particularly since nothing was gained much from either for more than half a season. Kelenic disappointing takes the sting off the Diaz trade and turns it into a win for the organization.
To  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:26 am : link
be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.
Britton  
davew926 : 1/18/2023 10:30 am : link
Dan-what are your thoughts on signing Britton? Is Pham on the radar?
If you  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:31 am : link
really break it down, the Mets have *1* SP prospect who has had even 2 seasons of minor league success (Jose Butto) and it's ?? if he's even a SP at the next level. Tidwell/Ziegler are ranked where they are within the Mets system due to stuff and/or where they were drafted, not production and every team in baseball has a few Hamel/Vasil types. I suspect Jagers was brought in (at least in part) because the drafting/development of SP in the system has been stagnant for a while now. I like David Peterson (picked in 2017) but who is the last very good SP prospect/arm the Mets have had/developed? and that's not a Brodie situation, they didn't trade off arms who are doing well in other places. Who would that even be?
RE: To  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:32 am : link
In comment 16000480 DanMetroMan said:
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be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.


Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. They do have some interesting guys though. Allan (health willing obviously), Ziegler, Vasil, Diaz, Tidwell, and Hamel. None are top 100 prospects, but I could see 2-3 developing into mid to back end starters.
RE: Britton  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:34 am : link
In comment 16000486 davew926 said:
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Dan-what are your thoughts on signing Britton? Is Pham on the radar?


Pham is *on the radar* inasmuch they reportedly have expressed interest. That being said, he's reportedly still looking for a chance to start (Duvall got that in Boston). If that's his goal, he'll likely land on a bad team willing to allow that. Britton would be a fine "lottery ticket" but he's 35 years old and has pitched less than 40 innings since 2019. His velocity over the past 2 (a whopping 19 innings) was down a full 2 MPH. Of course, the more the merrier but he's a far inferior option to Chafin and Matt Moore.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:35 am : link
In comment 16000493 KDavies said:
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be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.



Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. They do have some interesting guys though. Allan (health willing obviously), Ziegler, Vasil, Diaz, Tidwell, and Hamel. None are top 100 prospects, but I could see 2-3 developing into mid to back end starters.


I have a bad feeling about Allan. I suspect we are going to hear he had another setback etc. Ernest Dove said he spoke to somebody who wouldn't commit to him being 100% ready for ST. He was originally supposed to pitch second half 2022 so *if* that's the case, something happened. The fact we have heard radio silence (even from the Resnick types) has me at the very least pessimistic.
Mets have done better drafting position players than pitchers lately  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:40 am : link
obviously, though part of does seem to be an organizational strategy. Since, they drafted Harvey in '10, the only pitchers in the 1st have been Fulmer (44), Dunn (19), Kay (31), and Peterson (20). I guess you can also include Rocker at 10 who didn't sign.

I prefer this method in investing 1st round picks (at least high ones) in position players. Let the pitching be more of a numbers game in the draft. This year, I would have no issues with them going all (or primarily) pitching with the extra picks from losing deGrom and Bassitt, and not signing Sproat
RE: To  
BigBlue7 : 1/18/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16000480 DanMetroMan said:
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be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.


Dan - do you get the feeling that the organizational philosophy is to draft position players and use free agency to sign proven pitchers - or are they just operating this way currently because of the current state of the farm system?
Man, Endy at 23!  
figgy2989 : 1/18/2023 10:43 am : link
That one stings a little more as all we got in return was Lucchesi.

Dan, what are you thoughts on Fanas and Juan. Most rankings have Fanas a bit higher than Juan, but Juan was definitely the bigger name when he was signed.
RE: Mets have done better drafting position players than pitchers lately  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:43 am : link
In comment 16000514 KDavies said:
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obviously, though part of does seem to be an organizational strategy. Since, they drafted Harvey in '10, the only pitchers in the 1st have been Fulmer (44), Dunn (19), Kay (31), and Peterson (20). I guess you can also include Rocker at 10 who didn't sign.

I prefer this method in investing 1st round picks (at least high ones) in position players. Let the pitching be more of a numbers game in the draft. This year, I would have no issues with them going all (or primarily) pitching with the extra picks from losing deGrom and Bassitt, and not signing Sproat


Well picking pitchers particularly high and developing P or signing IFA P shouldn't go directly hand in hand. Even with their relatively high picks their P have left a lot to be desired.

Since 2016 they have used relatively high picks on Dunn/Kay/Peterson (DP looks good), Dibrell, SWR, Hill, Wolf, Allan, Ginn +Ziegler/Hamel (TBD), Tidwell (TBD), that's a pretty meek group (not including the TBD's). And that doesn't include "picked 8th round but has emerged as a potential MLB SP" types.
RE: RE: To  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:44 am : link
In comment 16000518 BigBlue7 said:
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be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.



Dan - do you get the feeling that the organizational philosophy is to draft position players and use free agency to sign proven pitchers - or are they just operating this way currently because of the current state of the farm system?


They are pretty open about the fact they have been "forced" to sign SP because they don't have internal options. If the goal is to mimic the Dodgers, they have a lot of work to do on the pitching side. The Dodgers routinely pick late and yet are LOADED with interesting arms.
RE: Man, Endy at 23!  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:48 am : link
In comment 16000520 figgy2989 said:
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That one stings a little more as all we got in return was Lucchesi.

Dan, what are you thoughts on Fanas and Juan. Most rankings have Fanas a bit higher than Juan, but Juan was definitely the bigger name when he was signed.


Watched them both pretty extensively this year. I'm far from a scout and even further when it comes to judging teenagers playing in DR but Fanas looked underdeveloped physically (he had *3* extra base hits) despite being an "older" DSL player (he's turning 19 next week, for comparisons sake Alex Ramirez just turned 20 and is *likely* going to see AA this season. Juan "looked the part" 6'2-6'3, showed plus speed, solid idea at the plate, won't be 18 until July. I was far more impressed with Juan (though neither one had strong seasons statistically). Hard to have expected a ton from Juan, but Fanas certainly disappointed.
Thank you Dan  
figgy2989 : 1/18/2023 10:51 am : link
Follow up question regarding Ramirez, he cracked most top 100 lists late last year, are you disappointed to still see him listed in the 90's?
Some  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:53 am : link
new soignee hitters to watch for me would be William Lugo, Wyatt Young (the Mets are apparently very high on him as a potential bench piece), Vincent Perozo, Junior Tillen, Dangelo Sarmiento, Jesus Baez
RE: RE: Britton  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:53 am : link
In comment 16000498 DanMetroMan said:
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Dan-what are your thoughts on signing Britton? Is Pham on the radar?



Pham is *on the radar* inasmuch they reportedly have expressed interest. That being said, he's reportedly still looking for a chance to start (Duvall got that in Boston). If that's his goal, he'll likely land on a bad team willing to allow that. Britton would be a fine "lottery ticket" but he's 35 years old and has pitched less than 40 innings since 2019. His velocity over the past 2 (a whopping 19 innings) was down a full 2 MPH. Of course, the more the merrier but he's a far inferior option to Chafin and Matt Moore.



Jon Heyman
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Mets do have an offer out to Pham. Uncertain how many others are involved. He likely wants to assess playing time as he’d be 4th OF with Mets with some possible DH time
article on the Mets int'l signings  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:55 am : link
Gutierrez, Baptist, and Larez are the big names. Hurtado is also interesting. A lefty who I read was getting up to 97
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RE: RE: RE: Britton  
Mike in NY : 1/18/2023 10:56 am : link
In comment 16000554 DanMetroMan said:
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Dan-what are your thoughts on signing Britton? Is Pham on the radar?



Pham is *on the radar* inasmuch they reportedly have expressed interest. That being said, he's reportedly still looking for a chance to start (Duvall got that in Boston). If that's his goal, he'll likely land on a bad team willing to allow that. Britton would be a fine "lottery ticket" but he's 35 years old and has pitched less than 40 innings since 2019. His velocity over the past 2 (a whopping 19 innings) was down a full 2 MPH. Of course, the more the merrier but he's a far inferior option to Chafin and Matt Moore.




Jon Heyman
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Mets do have an offer out to Pham. Uncertain how many others are involved. He likely wants to assess playing time as he’d be 4th OF with Mets with some possible DH time


Considering none of Canha/Nimmo/Marte have proven they can stay healthy all year there would be a lot of playing time with the Mets as long as the Mets want to keep McNeil at 2B. The bigger issue is what to do with Baty/Vientos.
Pham would be a nice signing  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:57 am : link
how is his defense lately?
RE: Thank you Dan  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:00 am : link
In comment 16000544 figgy2989 said:
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Follow up question regarding Ramirez, he cracked most top 100 lists late last year, are you disappointed to still see him listed in the 90's?


Not particularly. He had a solid/nice season but he's still about projection and whether he can remain in CF. He posted a 121 wRC+ (very good but not outstanding), 8% walk rate (solid for his age but not outstanding) very solid 22% K rate but again... not "unusually good". I'm sure if you had a chance to speak to the people who put the list together they would say they remain high on him, that he had a solid/solid-strong season but didn't "break out" statistically. Ramirez has as good a shot as any of the Mets prospects as being #1 in the system at this point next year.
RE: Pham would be a nice signing  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:02 am : link
In comment 16000564 KDavies said:
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how is his defense lately?


DRS last 2 seasons -4, OAA -12. 0 DRS in 2022, -6 OAA.
RE: RE: Thank you Dan  
figgy2989 : 1/18/2023 11:02 am : link
In comment 16000573 DanMetroMan said:
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Follow up question regarding Ramirez, he cracked most top 100 lists late last year, are you disappointed to still see him listed in the 90's?



Not particularly. He had a solid/nice season but he's still about projection and whether he can remain in CF. He posted a 121 wRC+ (very good but not outstanding), 8% walk rate (solid for his age but not outstanding) very solid 22% K rate but again... not "unusually good". I'm sure if you had a chance to speak to the people who put the list together they would say they remain high on him, that he had a solid/solid-strong season but didn't "break out" statistically. Ramirez has as good a shot as any of the Mets prospects as being #1 in the system at this point next year.


Man, it would be nice to have a big time OF prospect in the system. Like you said above, if he can be at AA by age 20, that's just tremendous.
Speaking of depth OF  
Mike in NY : 1/18/2023 11:05 am : link
I would have looked at claiming Kyle Garlick cheaply as he mashes lefties
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:07 am : link
mentions JBJ as an available OFer...

-1.7 fWAR over the past 2 seasons with a 45 OPS+, no that's not a typo. Absolutely not.
Dom  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:09 am : link
will start at 1b for the Nats

-Not an ideal fit for the Mets as a 4th OFer (Eppler connection aside) but it appears Adell will open at AAA for the Angels
Pham  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:12 am : link
a Met per Mayer
Man that Endy ranking!  
bhill410 : 1/18/2023 11:12 am : link
Where the heck did that come from. They really botched that trade almost as much as the Baez one. Thanks for nothing Sandy.

With regard to Mauricio, I get it due to the plate discipline, but I just don’t understand how you can have the winter league performance he just had and not have the guy in the top 100. These guys all get certain buzz performance standards and completely wiff on certain types of players (see Alonso).
RE: Man that Endy ranking!  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:15 am : link
In comment 16000613 bhill410 said:
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Where the heck did that come from. They really botched that trade almost as much as the Baez one. Thanks for nothing Sandy.

With regard to Mauricio, I get it due to the plate discipline, but I just don’t understand how you can have the winter league performance he just had and not have the guy in the top 100. These guys all get certain buzz performance standards and completely wiff on certain types of players (see Alonso).


Rodriguez has developed into one of the top C prospects in baseball. That was truly an awful deal as Rodriguez hit at a high level immediately after signing.
Endy Rodriguez  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:19 am : link
at 19, .921 OPS, .411 OBP/.510 slug. It's not outside the realm of possibility he ends up a better player than Alvarez or Parada. Both that and the PCA trades were both very shortsighted and that's not being revisionist.
prospect lists tend to only go 2 directions  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 11:20 am : link
younger guys rise fast but once a prospect starts going down lists they dont usually move back up.

if my memory is right nimmo was like that - his draft pedigree had him on lists his first few years but he slowly fell off them even as he advanced levels because his numbers didnt give him enough helium to move up (so instead he moved down as others move up).

the under ranking of alonso right before he hit 50 homers as a rookie has forever tainted me from taking these lists as seriously. it was clear in his full AAA season and fall league performance he was perhaps the best hitter in MILB other than vlad jr. and they were ranked like 50 players apart.
looks like fantasy football is going up a level next year  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 11:22 am : link
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Actually, the Mets have agreed to terms with Pham, pending physical, per source.


i like this signing. adding a little extra intensity into the clubhouse could be a good thing and i assume if he's a problem buck will be on top of it or he'll be gone in a nanosecond.
Pham has been signed  
10thAve : 1/18/2023 11:23 am : link
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Heyman says it's $6m and martino says they did their homework  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 11:23 am : link
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Yes, Tommy Pham slapped a man because of fantasy football, but the background work Mets did on him turned up intel that he's a very well-liked teammate and good clubhouse presence. The man he slapped was on a different ballclub, after all

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Pham Mets deal: $6M

Brandon  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:24 am : link
Nimmo isn't the best of examples. He made BA's list before 2015 (45) and then he had a very poor season slugging... .372 (keep in mind, Nimmo wasn't a sure thing to remain in CF even as recently as 2 seasons ago), a "below average" CF or CO slugging .372 as a 22 year old is going to drop off of most lists, that seemed pretty fair to me.
nice job on Pham  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 11:27 am : link
time to trade Ruf for a bag of balls
RE: Brandon  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:28 am : link
In comment 16000647 DanMetroMan said:
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Nimmo isn't the best of examples. He made BA's list before 2015 (45) and then he had a very poor season slugging... .372 (keep in mind, Nimmo wasn't a sure thing to remain in CF even as recently as 2 seasons ago), a "below average" CF or CO slugging .372 as a 22 year old is going to drop off of most lists, that seemed pretty fair to me.


Worth noting, Nimmo's OPS before he cracked the list was .820, he had 40 extra base hits, 10 homers, 14 steals and a fantastic *394* OBP including 86 walks/105 k's. The following season his OPS was .734, he had 25 extra base hits, 5 steals. An OF with a then questionable glove being dropped seemed pretty accurate at the time.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:30 am : link
Pham's average exit velocity was top 7% in the league #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:30 am : link
Feels like the next move will be Ruf to Minnesota or TB #Mets
assuming Baty starting at 3B and Alvarez starting at AAA  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 11:33 am : link
Mets have a bench of:

Pham
Escobar
Nido
Guillorme

not bad at all.

Pham will get a ton of playing time. Wouldn't surprise me if he got more PT than Canha.
RE: assuming Baty starting at 3B and Alvarez starting at AAA  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:35 am : link
In comment 16000678 KDavies said:
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Mets have a bench of:

Pham
Escobar
Nido
Guillorme

not bad at all.

Pham will get a ton of playing time. Wouldn't surprise me if he got more PT than Canha.


Eppler yesterday indicated Escobar is likely the starting 3b, Baty to AAA
RE: Brandon  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 11:35 am : link
In comment 16000647 DanMetroMan said:
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Nimmo isn't the best of examples. He made BA's list before 2015 (45) and then he had a very poor season slugging... .372 (keep in mind, Nimmo wasn't a sure thing to remain in CF even as recently as 2 seasons ago), a "below average" CF or CO slugging .372 as a 22 year old is going to drop off of most lists, that seemed pretty fair to me.


it's hard for me to remember exactly when he cycled on and off lists, but his a21 2014 was solid split between A+ and AA (550 pas, 130 wrc), his a22 2015 was good enough to get promoted from AA (110 rc) to AAA where he did even better with a 121 rc. then his a23 2016 he went crazy with a 159 rc in 444 plate appearances before getting promoted. so that was 3 years of decent trajectory with 400+ plate appearances each year and i dont remember him getting much hype pre debut as a prospect on the rise.

in honor of pham ill use a fantasy football phrase - some prospects turn into post-hype sleepers. i think mauricio and vientos (and to some degree even someone like kelenic) fall into that category.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:36 am : link
2 players of Vietnamese descent have played in the majors. Both will have played for @mets. The other being Danny Graves
RE: RE: assuming Baty starting at 3B and Alvarez starting at AAA  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 11:37 am : link
In comment 16000684 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets have a bench of:

Pham
Escobar
Nido
Guillorme

not bad at all.

Pham will get a ton of playing time. Wouldn't surprise me if he got more PT than Canha.



Eppler yesterday indicated Escobar is likely the starting 3b, Baty to AAA


Got ya. Missed that. If Vients, Baty, and Alvarez all start at AAA, looks like Mendick is the favorite right now to get Escobar's spot on the bench.
He  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:38 am : link
talked up Escobar and acknowledged Baty was only promoted due to injury/limited options. Didn't close the door on Baty but certainly doesn't sound likely he's the starting 3b.
Mendick  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:38 am : link
is not expected to be 100% for ST so I suspect he'll open on the IL
Sammon-  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:40 am : link
Related to that, though, Eppler did field an inquiry about whether Eduardo Escobar would be the Mets’ Opening Day third baseman or if rookie Brett Baty had a shot. Predictably, Eppler didn’t answer definitively. But he did mention that Escobar had a “really strong year last year,” and that Baty’s call-up was “born out of necessity” late last year because of injuries.
Mendick  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:40 am : link
tore his ACL in late June so yeah, it would be pretty shocking if he's ready for ST/OD.
i think all 3 of the kids starting in AAA is the right call  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 11:41 am : link
unless they do something alonso-esque in ST.

alvarez should get 200-300+ innings catching in the minors.

baty and vientos would be well served getting on track offensively and playing the field too vs. getting thrown in as DH to start the year and not getting much field time over the vets. vientos also a notorious slow starter.

if 1 of them lights up ST you dont send them down but you also dont want to give out scholarships and partial playing time that slows down their development.
RE: i think all 3 of the kids starting in AAA is the right call  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 11:44 am : link
In comment 16000707 Eric on Li said:
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unless they do something alonso-esque in ST.

alvarez should get 200-300+ innings catching in the minors.

baty and vientos would be well served getting on track offensively and playing the field too vs. getting thrown in as DH to start the year and not getting much field time over the vets. vientos also a notorious slow starter.

if 1 of them lights up ST you dont send them down but you also dont want to give out scholarships and partial playing time that slows down their development.


Agreed. I have no issue keeping the young guys down. There will be injuries and opportunities for them. With Mendick injured, I'd go out and sign another veteran bench player (Josh Harrison type). The more depth, the better.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:53 am : link
Syracuse.... 1B-Vientos 2b-Young (?) SS Mauricio 3B Baty, LF Lee CF Locastro/Cedrola RF Cedrola + Almonte, Ruiz, Cortes C Alvarez (?), Senger/Meyer.. Rotation... Butto/Hernandez/Grey?/Lucchesi?
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:58 am : link
Probably means next to nothing but @mets have Locastro listed as a LF. Cedrola has a *shot* to help the 2023 Mets as an extra OFer thanks to his glove in CF #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 12:38 pm : link
Michael Marino
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It’s very possible (and likely probable unless something changes) that both Baty and Alvarez start year in AAA. Mets want Alvarez to improve his defense before he’s a full-time MLB player, and also feel Baty could make strides on both sides of the ball before he’s moved to MLB.
Pham a met  
Hilary : 1/18/2023 12:39 pm : link
Mets sign Pham 6 million for 1 year
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Pham  
Vanzetti : 1/18/2023 12:39 pm : link
The guy seems like a loose cannon with declining skills

Slapped Joc
Stabbed outside a strip club
Brags about being a high stakes gambler

Have to wonder if they lost out on Conforto because of the Correa saga. Michael seems like such a better fit.

That said, it seems like Dan hit the nail on the head with the exit velocity. It seems that is why they signed Pham.

It seems to me that in conventional baseball terms, Pham has huge red flags both on and off the field. It will be an interesting test of Mets analytic department.


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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 12:44 pm : link
Michael Marino
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It’s very possible (and likely probable unless something changes) that both Baty and Alvarez start year in AAA. Mets want Alvarez to improve his defense before he’s a full-time MLB player, and also feel Baty could make strides on both sides of the ball before he’s moved to MLB.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16000832 DanMetroMan said:
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Michael Marino
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It’s very possible (and likely probable unless something changes) that both Baty and Alvarez start year in AAA. Mets want Alvarez to improve his defense before he’s a full-time MLB player, and also feel Baty could make strides on both sides of the ball before he’s moved to MLB.


Sorry for the double post. It wasn't going through.
Dan  
allstarjim : 1/18/2023 12:49 pm : link
What do you attribute the declining opinion on Mauricio to? I wouldn't have thought him to drop out of the top 100, particularly with the physical profile and developing power.
RE: Mendick  
Optimus-NY : 1/18/2023 1:03 pm : link
In comment 16000697 DanMetroMan said:
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is not expected to be 100% for ST so I suspect he'll open on the IL


Mendick is sore...
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 1:05 pm : link
In comment 16000845 allstarjim said:
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What do you attribute the declining opinion on Mauricio to? I wouldn't have thought him to drop out of the top 100, particularly with the physical profile and developing power.


He's no longer viewed as a sure thing SS (some now saying he's likely *not* a big league SS) and his chase rate/swing decisions haven't improved. BA removed him from their mid-season 2022 list as did BP so this isn't a total shock.
RE: Pham  
Optimus-NY : 1/18/2023 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16000825 Vanzetti said:
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The guy seems like a loose cannon with declining skills

Slapped Joc
Stabbed outside a strip club
Brags about being a high stakes gambler

Have to wonder if they lost out on Conforto because of the Correa saga. Michael seems like such a better fit.

That said, it seems like Dan hit the nail on the head with the exit velocity. It seems that is why they signed Pham.

It seems to me that in conventional baseball terms, Pham has huge red flags both on and off the field. It will be an interesting test of Mets analytic department.



The after-effects of the Correa saga. Conforto would have been a much better fit. Shame.
I’d really love to see Mauricio  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 1:09 pm : link
get some OF work and be a super utility type
RE: I’d really love to see Mauricio  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16000886 KDavies said:
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get some OF work and be a super utility type


If he doesn't see time at other positions this season one can only assume they view him as trade fodder. He *should* see time in RF and 3b.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 1:18 pm : link
If 2022 is any indication, @mets
will use Canha/Pham in CF when Nimmo isn't out there vs. Marte who has indicated he doesn't feel comfortable switching back and forth from RF. Might that change? Who knows?
Didn’t see it mentioned but  
ZGiants98 : 1/18/2023 2:26 pm : link
Mets showing real interest in Chafin per Heyman..
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16000909 DanMetroMan said:
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If 2022 is any indication, @mets
will use Canha/Pham in CF when Nimmo isn't out there vs. Marte who has indicated he doesn't feel comfortable switching back and forth from RF. Might that change? Who knows?


its not seamless but i think he'll be an upgrade in the naquin role. steamer has pham right at league average with 14 homers in 500 at bats. as a met, naquin hit .200 (80 rc) with hit 4 homers in 130. he also k'd 30% and walked just 4% so pham profiles as an upgrade pretty much across the board offensively.

it's not a big move but it's an upgrade on the margins. id still prefer pollock bc he fits the role better but pham had a very comparable season last year.
Chafin  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 2:54 pm : link
would cost significantly more but also a far better option.

Jon Heyman
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Andrew Chafin market heating up now. Mets are among teams in on one of the top lefty relievers. They’ve also talked to Zack Britton (Buck O’s connection).
This off-season ending up somewhat similar to last but w more effort  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 3:00 pm : link
Clearly 1 more bat away (at least they made effort this off-season)
They are making more of an effort on the bench and bullpen
Catcher should be better with narvaez

With the prospects that much closer to breaking through it’s more defensible this year too. If things aren’t going well a month in they are going to have more internal options than a year ago, and hopefully won’t need to purge prospects that the deadline for mediocre relievers or 4th ofers.
Badler  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 3:20 pm : link
says Allan was throwing breaking balls this Fall and "should be" ready for ST. Fingers crossed.
RE: Badler  
Payasdaddy : 1/18/2023 3:22 pm : link
In comment 16001128 DanMetroMan said:
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says Allan was throwing breaking balls this Fall and "should be" ready for ST. Fingers crossed.


yes I was really hopeful for this kid. thought he projected to #2 SP
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 3:25 pm : link
Not directed @mets fans but in general when it comes to expecting "best case" scenarios mid-30's players..assuming the opposite (aka Britton LIKELY isn't the Britton of yesteryear) Chafin-176 ERA+ over the past 2 seasons ( 135 games pitched), 144 since 2019 (227 games). So yeah, Britton will be cheaper and Britton at one time was a top tier RP but quite frankly he hasn't been that since *2016* when he was an absolute monster.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 3:27 pm : link
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Catcher Tomás Nido and the New York Mets are in agreement on a two-year, $3.7 million contract, according to sources familiar with the deal. The deal, which covers Nido’s remaining arbitration years, pays $1.6 million in 2023 and $2.1 million in 2024.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 3:31 pm : link
There is a real possibility that Narvaez is a Met for *1* season (player option for 2024) so it's nice to have Nido as part of the organization
Remarkably  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 3:41 pm : link
this will be Nido's 7th season with the Mets. Not too many recent Mets have been here that long.
Yea this off season in many ways  
bhill410 : 1/18/2023 4:59 pm : link
If not all ways is more defensible than some of the gaps (cough bullpen cough). We knew DH would potentially be a problem but I think folks had hopes for Dom and/or Cano. I feel better about the bullpen right now than I did at any time last season and sounds like they still want to add. The DH spot and the lack of another power bar behind Alonso gives me cause for concern but it is what it is. They spent a ton and brought back meaningful pieces with what was frankly an impossible spot to be in at the beginning of the off season.
RE: Yea this off season in many ways  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16001238 bhill410 said:
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If not all ways is more defensible than some of the gaps (cough bullpen cough). We knew DH would potentially be a problem but I think folks had hopes for Dom and/or Cano. I feel better about the bullpen right now than I did at any time last season and sounds like they still want to add. The DH spot and the lack of another power bar behind Alonso gives me cause for concern but it is what it is. They spent a ton and brought back meaningful pieces with what was frankly an impossible spot to be in at the beginning of the off season.


basically how i see it. correa would have made them offseason champs and we'd all be rightfully riding high but winning the offseason or being the highest ws odds doesnt always mean rings.

its hard to envision dh going worse than it did last year so hopefully 1 of the kids steps up. saw today they dont want to consider alvarez for full time dh initially and i think thats the right call. i honestly dont even hate giving ruf another shot. if he's not cooked he can a helpful piece off the bench. just cut bait quick if he looks cooked.
Mets still need more offense  
Dennis : 1/18/2023 8:28 pm : link
Where is it going to come from?
Will they make a trade?
Will they wait until the trade deadline, and evaluate until then?
Who would you like them to trade for?
Did they make a mistake by not taking a chance on Correa?
After adding Tommy Pham, Mets must still find 'needed' offense somewhere — sooner or later - ( New Window )
RE: Mets still need more offense  
Payasdaddy : 1/18/2023 9:17 pm : link
In comment 16001393 Dennis said:
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Where is it going to come from?
Will they make a trade?
Will they wait until the trade deadline, and evaluate until then?
Who would you like them to trade for?
Did they make a mistake by not taking a chance on Correa? After adding Tommy Pham, Mets must still find 'needed' offense somewhere — sooner or later - ( New Window )


I still think by yr end one or more of the 4 rookies ( Alvarez, Baty, vientos or even Mauricio) may be contributing more than we are thinking now in January
i dont think anyone knows how much offense they need  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 10:02 pm : link
they were 5th in MLB in runs despite their DH's combining to hit .210 and C's combining to be close to the worst in baseball. they have multiple candidates at both spots to be better. how much better is the unknown.

if 1 of alvarez/baty/vientos have any kind of rookie years like mcneil/alonso/conforto the situation is a lot better than it seems. and it may already be better than it seems just with a full year of vogey/narvaez/pham/ruf.

none of them are going to be correa, which is why opportunistically adding a player like correa made sense. conforto's bat was worth a gamble too. other than them there there weren't many bats available this offseason that you could say that about (most played ss and would have had to agree to move like correa).
yeah, I think the need for additional offense is overblown  
KDavies : 1/19/2023 9:47 am : link
the Mets ranked as high as they did last year with 3 almost black holes in the lineup.

3B should be similar, with likely slight improvement. Escobar struggled early,but got hot at the end of the year. Baty is always waiting in the wings there.

C should be an improvement. Narvaez should be better than McCann. Alvarez waiting in the wings there.

DH should be an improvement. Dom/Davis were not very good last year. Ruf was a complete nothing for the Mets. Vogelbach will be similar to what he was (which is an updgrade on Dom for them last year), and Pham should be a large upgrade on Davis and especially Ruf. Vientos also waiting in the wings.

Depth is also a lot better. Pham is the 4th OF, which is a significant upgrade on the likes of Janikowski, Plummer, and Naquin.

When injuries happen, Mets are much better positioned to fill in. Nido or Narvaez injured? Mets can bring up Alvarez over Mazeika. OF injured? Pham to start in OF, bring up Vientos to fill in at RH DH. Better than Janikowski or Plummer.

Mets had 207 PAs from Davis, 191 from McCann, 152 from Dom, 130 from Naquin, 74 from Ruf, 72 from Mazeika, 63 from Janikowski, 43 from Cano, etc.

That is roughly 15% of the teams PAs. Those ABs will be filled by the likes of Vogelbach, Pham, Baty, Vientos, Narvaez, and Alvarez.
Nice analysis Kdavies  
bhill410 : 1/19/2023 9:54 am : link
And I largely agree, but my fear of a lack of power remains in the lineup. On nights where you aren’t stringing hits together we struggled because of an inability outside of Alonso to equalize out of no where.
RE: yeah, I think the need for additional offense is overblown  
Mike in NY : 1/19/2023 9:56 am : link
In comment 16001864 KDavies said:
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the Mets ranked as high as they did last year with 3 almost black holes in the lineup.

3B should be similar, with likely slight improvement. Escobar struggled early,but got hot at the end of the year. Baty is always waiting in the wings there.

C should be an improvement. Narvaez should be better than McCann. Alvarez waiting in the wings there.

DH should be an improvement. Dom/Davis were not very good last year. Ruf was a complete nothing for the Mets. Vogelbach will be similar to what he was (which is an updgrade on Dom for them last year), and Pham should be a large upgrade on Davis and especially Ruf. Vientos also waiting in the wings.

Depth is also a lot better. Pham is the 4th OF, which is a significant upgrade on the likes of Janikowski, Plummer, and Naquin.

When injuries happen, Mets are much better positioned to fill in. Nido or Narvaez injured? Mets can bring up Alvarez over Mazeika. OF injured? Pham to start in OF, bring up Vientos to fill in at RH DH. Better than Janikowski or Plummer.

Mets had 207 PAs from Davis, 191 from McCann, 152 from Dom, 130 from Naquin, 74 from Ruf, 72 from Mazeika, 63 from Janikowski, 43 from Cano, etc.

That is roughly 15% of the teams PAs. Those ABs will be filled by the likes of Vogelbach, Pham, Baty, Vientos, Narvaez, and Alvarez.


Escobar has always been a streaky hitter. When I have had him in fantasy it seems like he will go entire months with 0-2 HR or hit 10-12 with little in between.
RE: Nice analysis Kdavies  
KDavies : 1/19/2023 10:14 am : link
In comment 16001873 bhill410 said:
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And I largely agree, but my fear of a lack of power remains in the lineup. On nights where you aren’t stringing hits together we struggled because of an inability outside of Alonso to equalize out of no where.


Yeah, I agree there. Mets were 15th in MLB in HRs last year. Narvaez/Alvarez should upgrade HR from the C position. DH should see a huge increase in HR. Combined last year for the Mets, Davis, Smith, and Ruf had a combined 4 HR in 433 PA. Add in Vogelbach who had 6 HR in 183 PA. Essentially 10 HR at DH. Vogelbach/Pham could easily double that total.

Nido/McCann totaled 6 HRs. Not crazy to think Narvaez/Nido could add 5 to that. Alvarez could add more.

So just in the upgrade in those two positions, you have 15 more HRs. Based on last year's numbers that would have the Mets pushing the top 10 in HRs.

the ban on shifts should also benefit teams that rely on the HR less  
KDavies : 1/19/2023 10:18 am : link
as well. Mets have a lot of guys like Nimmo, Marte, McNeil, Lindor that could benefit a lot from that
Question  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 10:26 am : link
asked by BBI Member JPKMets

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jpkmets
@jpkmets
Replying to
@jaseidler
What is the flaw in Ronny Mauricio’s game that is keeping him off of top 100 lists? He’s toolsy, seemed to finish strong and then won the LIDOM MVP. Seems to me he’s overlooked. Are the concerns bag-related or concerns that he will grow out of SS and lose value?


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Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
I'm not sure his pitch recognition is any better now than it was in 2019 in an absolute sense let alone relatively. It's reductive but how do you project a guy who has never even put up a .310 OBP in the minors and keeps sliding backwards to even stay afloat against MLB pitching?
More  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 10:28 am : link
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I mean, we still have him as the No. 7 prospect in the system. I have pointed this out before but he doesn't have particularly standout power or contact indicators either, only good relative to age/league context. What does he do better than, say, Junior Caminero or Connor Norby?
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DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 10:33 am : link
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@jaseidler
It's pretty well well established @mets
don't have a ton (any?) high level SPing. Anybody beneath the Tidwell/Vasil/Hamel's of the world that you like/scouts like? Any "sleeper" potential SP not talked about much? Or it is what is is? #Mets


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we got fairly consistent positive feedback throughout the season/list process on Ovalles
RE: Nice analysis Kdavies  
Eric on Li : 1/19/2023 11:03 am : link
In comment 16001873 bhill410 said:
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And I largely agree, but my fear of a lack of power remains in the lineup. On nights where you aren’t stringing hits together we struggled because of an inability outside of Alonso to equalize out of no where.


this is legitimate - but fortunately they have power on the way from the AAA.

also not to seem like a rationalizer, but correa and escobar have same number of homers past 2 years combined. and thats despite escobar doing so little i called him mehscobar for half the year. correa was a huge upgrade everywhere else, but the point is that there wasnt really any 30+ homer player available that fit in UFA this year, correa included. if they are going to get a power surge in the lineup it's likeliest to come from Alvarez (met catchers combined for 8 last year) or Vientos (met DH's combined for 15 last year).

vogelbach in a platoon role should beat all met DHs combined. narvaez could outdo all met catchers combined last year. so if they get a 20 homer year out of 1 of vientos + alvarez + baty that's pretty much all surplus run production from the bottom of the order.
RE: Question  
Eric on Li : 1/19/2023 11:11 am : link
In comment 16001908 DanMetroMan said:
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asked by BBI Member JPKMets



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jpkmets
@jpkmets
Replying to
@jaseidler
What is the flaw in Ronny Mauricio’s game that is keeping him off of top 100 lists? He’s toolsy, seemed to finish strong and then won the LIDOM MVP. Seems to me he’s overlooked. Are the concerns bag-related or concerns that he will grow out of SS and lose value?





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Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
I'm not sure his pitch recognition is any better now than it was in 2019 in an absolute sense let alone relatively. It's reductive but how do you project a guy who has never even put up a .310 OBP in the minors and keeps sliding backwards to even stay afloat against MLB pitching?



here's what i don't understand about this answer at this specific moment in time.

in 200 at bats in winter league right with the championship going on right now, mauricio's obp is .335. his BA is .287 and his ops 803 isn't that much higher than his ops in AA last year (767). his slugging%s are almost identical (.472 in AA vs. .468 in winter league). if there were a babip i'd cite it and maybe it's high and the improvement is just an unsustainable fluke bc walk/k rates seem similar.

but against what is supposedly the highest level of comp he's faced he has seemingly taken the simplest meaningful step you would hope to see (more consistent contact) with minimal loss of power. and he's still 21.

this isnt an argument against you dmm or even seidler, but i think prospect writers in general like everyone get a little high on their own supply without recognizing that these guys can improve 1 thing and it makes a huge difference, and unexpected improvements do happen. gimenez was an unexciting ruben tejada 2 until he wasnt.
In  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 11:14 am : link
fairness, the BP list is put together by a team of writers, as is BA and both of them are essentially saying the same thing about Mauricio. So while nobody has to agree, it's safe to say that both the data and the scouts they speak to are feeding them similar information/thoughts. It's not as if they are oblivious to information that is out there. I think it's been reductive to simply say "they won't move off their views" etc. It's not as if we are seeing source XYZ extremely high on Mauricio right now.
There  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 11:22 am : link
is also a bit of ignoring context here as well. On his own team this winter, amongst players who played at least 15 games his OBP was 7th.
RE: In  
Eric on Li : 1/19/2023 11:23 am : link
In comment 16001994 DanMetroMan said:
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fairness, the BP list is put together by a team of writers, as is BA and both of them are essentially saying the same thing about Mauricio. So while nobody has to agree, it's safe to say that both the data and the scouts they speak to are feeding them similar information/thoughts. It's not as if they are oblivious to information that is out there. I think it's been reductive to simply say "they won't move off their views" etc. It's not as if we are seeing source XYZ extremely high on Mauricio right now.


90% of prospect info i follow is met driven so this is an anecdotal observation from the last 5-7 years of mets who had fallen off top 100 lists as they advanced:

there was nobody i recall who moved higher on their opinions
of gimenez as he moved up
or peterson
or nimmo

they moved higher on alonso but obviously nowhere near high enough (i know, rh 1b).

the theory is simply once guys fall off top 100 lists for whatever reasons they tend to not move up again.

and next up testing that theory are mauicio and vientos who won't make it for xyz reasons even though they've been among the most productive power hitters in AA/AAA and now Winter League at young ages since minor leagues resumed post-covid.
RE: There  
Eric on Li : 1/19/2023 11:25 am : link
In comment 16002012 DanMetroMan said:
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is also a bit of ignoring context here as well. On his own team this winter, amongst players who played at least 15 games his OBP was 7th.


and i think he has the highest ops in the whole winter league?

obp is an important stat but it isn't everything. dont remember who recently comp'd him to soriano (law?) but he was a pretty damn good player whose career obp was like 315. javy baez has problems but he's a 150m player with a career obp at 300.
RE: RE: There  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 11:29 am : link
In comment 16002021 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16002012 DanMetroMan said:


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is also a bit of ignoring context here as well. On his own team this winter, amongst players who played at least 15 games his OBP was 7th.



and i think he has the highest ops in the whole winter league?

obp is an important stat but it isn't everything. dont remember who recently comp'd him to soriano (law?) but he was a pretty damn good player whose career obp was like 315. javy baez has problems but he's a 150m player with a career obp at 300.


Javier Baez had a .346 career OBP in the minors, .886 OPS. Mauricio's career BEST OBP is .307. Career .300., with an OPS 150 points lower. One of these things is not like the other.
Javier  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 11:33 am : link
Baez vs. Mauricio

Baez 1524 ab's .287/.346/.541 (called up at 21)
Mauricio 1745 ab's .261/.300/.424 (22 in April)



Baez also stole 81 bases over 397 games and was a no doubt about it MLB SS (GG in 2020) Mauricop 39 career steals, 34 times caught.

It's not particularly close in any way
Alfonso  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 11:39 am : link
Soriano played minor league baseball in Japan. Signed with the Yankees and posted a .363 OBP in AA (essentially skipping all the way to AA, with 5 games in the GCL). Remarkably, made his debut with the Yankees that season and struggled. Sent back down to AAA hit .290/.327/.464. So even the extreme outlier examples (Soriano being a freakish pure athlete 289 steals in his big league career) none of them were posting OBP as low as Mauricio. Even Jose Reyes had a .341 minor league OBP and he debuted at 20. If Mauricio becomes a big time player it's going to be in the form of unexpected development with his swing decisions/eye at the plate. Otherwise he'll be a power over hit guy who (maybe?) can play a few positions.
Jo  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 12:07 pm : link
Adell would be a great perfect example of a toolsy guy with poor swing decisions that hasn't been able to make it work (at least not yet). Adell had superior numbers to Mauricio, was considered a top 5 prospect in baseball and he's been completely unable to hit MLB pitching to this point.
Morosi  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 12:10 pm : link
thinks Senga will play in the WBC. I was hoping he wouldn't.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 12:17 pm : link
rooting against the kid but (re: Rocker)

Jarrett Seidler
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A lot of the folks who were still in on him around the draft weren’t in on him after the AFL
Pass  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 12:28 pm : link
on Daniel Castano (DFA'ed by Miami)
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DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 12:30 pm : link
Don't even know that he's available but if the Sox truly are "down" on Vertugo I'd certainly make a phone call
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DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 12:53 pm : link
And that’s just if he platoons and performs the same as he did last year. The holy grail for Pham is to put the ball in the air more. Even as his results suffered in 2022, he finished in the 93rd percentile for average exit velocity and 89th percentile for HardHit%. He was knocking the laces off the ball, but he was beating it straight into the ground. In 2022, Pham posted the lowest GB% and GB/FB ratio of any full season in his career, but he was still 27th out of 130 qualified hitters in the former category and 21st in the latter. He finished 18th in HardHit% but 92nd xSLG. Worse, he was 117th in actual SLG.

But Pham’s ability to draw walks and make hard contact — even if too much of it is on the ground — makes him a valuable offensive player even if he can’t convert more of that hard contact into line drives and fly balls.

Is $6 million a lot to pay for a fourth outfielder and platoon bat? Not to the Mets. Besides, that’s like half of what you’d expect to pay a decent free agent starting outfielder, maybe a little more. Pham might not bat 550 or 600 times in 2023, but let’s say he gets to the plate 200 times in a DH platoon, maybe one start a week in the outfield, plus pinch-hitting appearances, and we’re well over 300 plate appearances even if Marte, Canha, or Nimmo doesn’t land on the IL at all this year. There’s enough playing time out there to make it worthwhile for the Mets to sign a player like Pham. He should be quite a valuable secondary piece for them this year, and very exciting to follow.
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DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 1:00 pm : link
Jarrett Seidler
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Jesus Baez for the Mets kept popping up as a name all summer. I will say that while in some ways complex info is becoming easier to find b/c of Trackman/video sharing, sources have gotten more reluctant to share names even on other teams because it's a more active trade market
re: Alvarez's  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 1:04 pm : link
Floor

Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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this is a surprisingly tricky one because if he's not a catcher and the bat-to-ball stagnates there are outcomes where he doesn't stick in the majors a la Blake Swihart or Jesús Montero
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DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 1:14 pm : link
The Mets will have to remove somebody from the 40 man, Tayler Saucedo would presumably be the most obviously player to go.
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DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 1:15 pm : link
Pham, a right-handed hitter who’s always had a sizable platoon split,might not be suitable for a full-time role anymore. In fact, hislackluster 2022 numbers are mostly an artifact of taking 74.9% of hisplate appearances against righties, who held him to a wRC+ of 81. ShieldPham and Vogelbach from same-handed pitching, and the Mets have quite apowerhouse on their hands:- Baumann



(If Showalter can avoid overextending Pham and Pham is willing to accept his role, this could be a great fit)
Regarding Matt Allan  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 1:28 pm : link
Seidler

“nothing really, I didn't write the Mets list and he wasn't exactly in 101 consideration so he hasn't been at the top of mind for me. I hope he throws a bunch of healthy innings“
RE: RE: Pham  
Rory : 1/19/2023 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16000885 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16000825 Vanzetti said:


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The guy seems like a loose cannon with declining skills

Slapped Joc
Stabbed outside a strip club
Brags about being a high stakes gambler

Have to wonder if they lost out on Conforto because of the Correa saga. Michael seems like such a better fit.

That said, it seems like Dan hit the nail on the head with the exit velocity. It seems that is why they signed Pham.

It seems to me that in conventional baseball terms, Pham has huge red flags both on and off the field. It will be an interesting test of Mets analytic department.





The after-effects of the Correa saga. Conforto would have been a much better fit. Shame.


How do you come up with that? Pham hits lefties well, has a power stroke only 34 and isn't coming off a missed season due to a shoulder injury.

I like MC too, but explain yourself
Ruf  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 2:09 pm : link
Appears to be the odd man out. Pham/Canha DHing vs. lefties and Vientos/Alvarez as additional options. Outside of backup 1B (assuming Vientos doesn’t make the team initially) I fail to see a clear role. I say that while acknowledging that his struggles amounted to a total of 66 PA’s. He may well be done but that’s quite a small sample size. I just don’t see his fit as the roster is currently constructed.
In regard  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 2:14 pm : link
To backup 1B, Canha has extensive experience there, Escobar has experience there, Vogelbach and if it were a longer team absence for Alonso they would have Vientos at AAA
Pete Alonso  
Dennis : 1/19/2023 4:11 pm : link
Pete Alonso was ranked fifth on MLB Network’s 2023 list of top first basemen in the game.

"The four players ranked above Alonso were:

Paul Goldschmidt
Freddie Freeman
Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
José Abreu

The Polar Bear is coming off a stellar 2022 season that saw him smash 40 home runs, knock in 131 runs, and accumulate 4.0 fWAR (fourth among first baseman) over 161 games. He ranked first among all first basemen in home runs and RBI, he ranked second in slugging, eighth in on-base percentage, and third in runs."
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RE: Pete Alonso  
Dennis : 1/19/2023 4:12 pm : link
In comment 16002560 Dennis said:
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Pete Alonso was ranked fifth on MLB Network’s 2023 list of top first basemen in the game.

"The four players ranked above Alonso were:

Paul Goldschmidt
Freddie Freeman
Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
José Abreu

The Polar Bear is coming off a stellar 2022 season that saw him smash 40 home runs, knock in 131 runs, and accumulate 4.0 fWAR (fourth among first baseman) over 161 games. He ranked first among all first basemen in home runs and RBI, he ranked second in slugging, eighth in on-base percentage, and third in runs." Pete Alonso Ranked No. 5 on MLB Network’s Top First Basemen - ( New Window )


"Other Mets ranked on lists include: Brandon Nimmo (No. 4 center fielder), Starling Marte (No. 7 right fielder) and Edwin Díaz (No. 1 reliever)."
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the DH spot (and 5 hitter) is clearly there for someone to win  
Eric on Li : 1/19/2023 4:33 pm : link
vogelbach (and pham/ruf) should set a higher floor than they had first half last year but even in what ended up his career year he had a lot of limitations that make me think he's best off as a part time bench player.

he just doesnt hit for enough power to justify the fact that his 1 biggest positive (walks) is also nearly useless unless you pinch run for him. to get him home from 1b after a walk takes 3 singles or 1 single + 1 xbh, and he's unlikely to advance on productive outs. the career year last year was 48 xbh along with a career best .238 ba and near career best slg% (.433) - which were all right around what eduardo escobar did in what was considered a bad year and filling a harder position.

if you could create the perfect player for this roster it's a .250/.350/450, 20-30+ homer, 50+ xbh player who can drive in 90+ runs. which is basically conforto if he's healthy (and correa is better than that). eduardo escobar is probably a better bet to put up that kind of year than vogelbach bc he's actually done it a few times.

baty may have 2 paths (3b/lf) to playing time vs vientos only 1 at dh, but i see each having clear paths if they earn it and vogelbach may be the easiest current starter to displace - so long as the mets dont waste at bats on guys who arent part of the future if the opportunity is there again.

back to the broader point about where team wide power could come from - exit velocity isn't everything but if you remove qualifying i count 5 of these top 12 avg ev from last year weren't on the roster first half but are probably going to have a chance to win ABs in ST (6 if you count pham too). JDD would be #2 on this list but he's listed on sfg.

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DanMetroMan : 1/19/2023 5:54 pm : link
I'm very much intrigued to see how the 2022 DSL hitters do this season. Fanas/Juan didn't put up big numbers (Juan was only 16-17 in fairness) but those 2 + Baez/Sarmiento + guys like Yohairo Cuevas etc

- Goes without saying but kinda sucks Khalil Lee hasn't developed/looks like a non-prospect. He would have been a perfect extra OFer based on his purported skillset. CO, some CF ability, some speed, some pop. Just hasn't worked out.
RE: RE: RE: Pham  
Optimus-NY : 1/19/2023 6:09 pm : link
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The guy seems like a loose cannon with declining skills

Slapped Joc
Stabbed outside a strip club
Brags about being a high stakes gambler

Have to wonder if they lost out on Conforto because of the Correa saga. Michael seems like such a better fit.

That said, it seems like Dan hit the nail on the head with the exit velocity. It seems that is why they signed Pham.

It seems to me that in conventional baseball terms, Pham has huge red flags both on and off the field. It will be an interesting test of Mets analytic department.





The after-effects of the Correa saga. Conforto would have been a much better fit. Shame.



How do you come up with that? Pham hits lefties well, has a power stroke only 34 and isn't coming off a missed season due to a shoulder injury.

I like MC too, but explain yourself


Pham isn't anything special and is a bad guy. I'm not a fan.

P.S. I hope he didn't hear about me making fun of his fantasy foosball picks...
per Heyman, Marlins have tried to acquire Baty  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 6:56 am : link
“ The Miami Marlins have tried a "couple times" to acquire Mets 3B Brett Baty, according to Jon Heyman of the New York Post.

Per Heyman, the Marlins inquired about a possible Baty trade both before and after the Mets and Carlos Correa deal fell through. The Marlins were reportedly prepared to offer either RHP Edward Cabrera or LHP Jesus Luzardo for the infield prospect.”

If Mets got Correa, I’d seriously consider Cabrera, and would probably do it. The Mets need a cost controlled young potential ace. Baty would be blocked at 3B.

Without Correa, Mets are better off trading other players for pitching. I’d see if the Marlins would do something like Vientos (local kid) and Mauricio for Cabrera.
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DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 9:15 am : link
@fangraphs
Guardians 2023 prospect list ranks ex-
@mets
Isiah Greene 41st (35+ FV) and Josh Wolf (unranked).

Still some optimism from them for Greene, Wolf far less so, he's no longer a prospect
RE: per Heyman, Marlins have tried to acquire Baty  
Optimus-NY : 1/20/2023 9:30 am : link
In comment 16003018 KDavies said:
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“ The Miami Marlins have tried a "couple times" to acquire Mets 3B Brett Baty, according to Jon Heyman of the New York Post.

Per Heyman, the Marlins inquired about a possible Baty trade both before and after the Mets and Carlos Correa deal fell through. The Marlins were reportedly prepared to offer either RHP Edward Cabrera or LHP Jesus Luzardo for the infield prospect.”

If Mets got Correa, I’d seriously consider Cabrera, and would probably do it. The Mets need a cost controlled young potential ace. Baty would be blocked at 3B.

Without Correa, Mets are better off trading other players for pitching. I’d see if the Marlins would do something like Vientos (local kid) and Mauricio for Cabrera. Link - ( New Window )


I'd be more tempted to take Luzardo. Love left-handed starters in my rotation. Either way (be it Luzardo or Cabrera), I'd have made the deal if the NYM signed Correa. Then I'd ship off Cookie for whatever else we needed (bullpen, 4th OF, utilityman, more bullpen w/options, salary dump, replenishing the minors, etc.). The Correa signing would have been transformative on multiple levels.
I live in Marlins land  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 9:39 am : link
take it for what it's worth, but every Marlins fan I know values Cabrera a lot more than Luzardo. I was actually a bit surprised by that, as I view them pretty similarly.

The trade I have long suggested here is Vientos and Mauricio for Luzardo. Marlins put Vientos at 1B. Mauricio could eventually have an opening at SS if he can stick defensively. (Marlins look like they are keeping Jazz at 2B). If not, maybe 3B or corner OF. Mets get a talented cost controlled starter.
More  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 9:54 am : link
From Seidler

-Mauricio didn’t make their top 150, wasn’t in the “next 50 or so”

- Tidwell was closest to making the top 100 but wasn’t particularly close. He, Vasil, Hamel and Ovalles are names to watch on the pitching side, Montes de Oca with “elite stuff”. So yeah not much on the P side as of right now
Have to imagine Mets  
CMicks3110 : 1/20/2023 10:02 am : link
Go pitching heavy in ‘23 draft. Not sure why we haven’t gone pitching heavy in Latin America at all.
passing on a marlins starter could look stupid in a few months but  
Eric on Li : 1/20/2023 10:22 am : link
i think it's the right call. they have enough depth of starters in the same as the mets do position players that you should be able to make a move in-season that's better informed.

yes it might close a buying window on anyone who goes super nova, but that works both ways.

and without correa locked in the mets need a super nova hitter as much (or maybe more) as they need a super nova pitcher.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 10:33 am : link
Signed LHP Jamdrick Cornelia from Curacao. He might be the skinniest pitcher I’ve ever seen
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RE: Have to imagine Mets  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16003150 CMicks3110 said:
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Go pitching heavy in ‘23 draft. Not sure why we haven’t gone pitching heavy in Latin America at all.


I expect that as well. Three extra picks too in the first 4 rounds (Sproat, deGrom, and Bassitt). I wouldn't be surprised if of the 7 picks in the first 4 rounds, 5 are pitchers
RE: RE: Have to imagine Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 10:51 am : link
In comment 16003203 KDavies said:
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Go pitching heavy in ‘23 draft. Not sure why we haven’t gone pitching heavy in Latin America at all.



I expect that as well. Three extra picks too in the first 4 rounds (Sproat, deGrom, and Bassitt). I wouldn't be surprised if of the 7 picks in the first 4 rounds, 5 are pitchers


to be clear, the extra picks come *after* the 4th round. Maybe semantics but a little later than 4th round picks.
As of 2 weeks ago they pick  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 10:52 am : link
32, 56, 101, 122, 133, 134, 144
RE: RE: RE: Have to imagine Mets  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 10:59 am : link
In comment 16003220 DanMetroMan said:
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Go pitching heavy in ‘23 draft. Not sure why we haven’t gone pitching heavy in Latin America at all.



I expect that as well. Three extra picks too in the first 4 rounds (Sproat, deGrom, and Bassitt). I wouldn't be surprised if of the 7 picks in the first 4 rounds, 5 are pitchers



to be clear, the extra picks come *after* the 4th round. Maybe semantics but a little later than 4th round picks.


Yes, just like football, I consider them 4th round comp picks, after the regular 4th round.

And I know you know this, but just to clarify for others reading, the compensation for Sproat will be between the 3rd and 4th rounds, as he was an unsigned 3rd rounder. The comp picks for Bassitt and deGrom are between the 4th and 5th rounds.
Lol, media is really slow nowadays  
Shecky : 1/20/2023 11:03 am : link
Took them three weeks after Mets/Marlins talking and likely impacted by Correa being talked about here, for them to FINALLY get that???? That’s sad…
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 11:04 am : link
technically Sproat isn't an extra pick, it's a replacement for one they used and didn't sign. The others are compensation for losing FA's. The extra picks will also help because of the added pool money (lost some dropping to 32)
RE: As of 2 weeks ago they pick  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 11:04 am : link
In comment 16003222 DanMetroMan said:
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32, 56, 101, 122, 133, 134, 144


Is that correct? 32, 56, 101 I am on board with. The Mets regular 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. 133 would be their regular 4th, and 134 and 144 the picks for deGrom and Bassitt.

Where I am confused is 122. I would think that is higher, as it is 21 picks after 101 (their 3rd), but only 11 picks before their 4th. It would seem to be about 10 spots higher.
should clarify the Mets regular 1st  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 11:09 am : link
docked down the 10 spots
RE: RE: As of 2 weeks ago they pick  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 11:16 am : link
In comment 16003250 KDavies said:
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32, 56, 101, 122, 133, 134, 144



Is that correct? 32, 56, 101 I am on board with. The Mets regular 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. 133 would be their regular 4th, and 134 and 144 the picks for deGrom and Bassitt.

Where I am confused is 122. I would think that is higher, as it is 21 picks after 101 (their 3rd), but only 11 picks before their 4th. It would seem to be about 10 spots higher.


Yup updated-

28 1st round picks
Seattle extra pick for Julio Rodriguez
10 Comp A picks
40-60 2nd round (8 teams forfeited their 2nds, Mets and Dodgers 1st picks are considered 2nd round, so 20 picks round 2)
6 comp B picks
2 compensation round picks (Cubs/Braves)-Contreras/Swanson
Third round 70- 101 (includes 2 extra picks, 1 for Sproat, 1 to Baltimore)
Round for 102-130

Mets picks
No first
Comp A (32nd)
56th round 2
91 and 101 round 3
122 round 4
133 and 134 (comp picks)
144 (moved up because 3 teams lost 5th round picks)

32, 56, 91, 101, 122, 134
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DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 11:18 am : link
*Mets and Dodgers 1st picks are considered 2nd round

Considered not 1st round, is what I meant to say
thanks Dan  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 11:32 am : link
that was a lot more comprehensive than I was expecting. Better than anything I could find googling it. Looks like you just omitted 91

so picks are 32, 56, 91, 101, 122, 133, 134, 144 in the 1st 5 rounds. 8 of the top 145 picks is not a bad place to be. Numbers like that and the Mets need to get young pitching (I know to not draft for need) just screams loading up on pitching.

(I don't know how I feel about the extra pick for Julio Rodriguez. I get that it encourages teams to bring up top prospects. But in a situation similar to the Dodgers winning 5 ROY in a row (Piazza, Karros, Mondesi, Nomo, Hollandsworth), do we need to be giving these teams extra picks? Also, Senga is eligible for ROY. Are we going to give the extra pick to a team that signs the best 29 year old Japanese player who has been playing professionally for the bulk of a decade)
Seattle (in part thanks to that pick)  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 11:33 am : link
22, 29, 30, 57, 92, 123.

Jealous
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 11:40 am : link
not sure I have a good answer for the extra pick stuff (not so much the Dodgers winning 5 straight) but Murakami/Sasaki are 2 of the most talented players in the entire world. Any team signing them potentially will have the added bonus of a potential additional 1st? That's wild
RE: Mets  
Optimus-NY : 1/20/2023 11:41 am : link
In comment 16003194 DanMetroMan said:
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Signed LHP Jamdrick Cornelia from Curacao. He might be the skinniest pitcher I’ve ever seen Link - ( New Window )


Feed that kid a cheeseburger! STAT!
Anybody feeling generous and care to share where the  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/20/2023 11:41 am : link
Yankees prospects ranked?

RE: I'm  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 11:45 am : link
In comment 16003297 DanMetroMan said:
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not sure I have a good answer for the extra pick stuff (not so much the Dodgers winning 5 straight) but Murakami/Sasaki are 2 of the most talented players in the entire world. Any team signing them potentially will have the added bonus of a potential additional 1st? That's wild


Yeah, that's definitely the crazier aspect. Ohtani was ROY. Imagine that being the rule back then? Congrats, Angels. You spent a buttload of money and signed a top Japanese FA. Here's a 1st round pick. Crazy
Thanks to the QO  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 11:54 am : link
the Mets should have Scherzer or an extra pick for Scherzer next season. Otherwise, that's probably the end of the extra pick conga line for a bit.
One caveat  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 11:55 am : link
The PPI awards teams who promote prospects who are on at least two Top 100 lists between MLB Pipeline, ESPN, and Baseball America
RE: Thanks to the QO  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 11:57 am : link
In comment 16003318 DanMetroMan said:
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the Mets should have Scherzer or an extra pick for Scherzer next season. Otherwise, that's probably the end of the extra pick conga line for a bit.


Strike that, offered one in 2014
RE: Anybody feeling generous and care to share where the  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 11:58 am : link
In comment 16003301 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Yankees prospects ranked?



Volpe (7), Peraza (48), Spencer Jones (57) and Jasson Dominguez (64)
Do the Mets lose their first round pick  
Metnut : 1/20/2023 12:17 pm : link
every year they have a payroll over a certain amount?

Can’t believe the players agreed to that! Cmon MLBPA
RE: Do the Mets lose their first round pick  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16003352 Metnut said:
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every year they have a payroll over a certain amount?

Can’t believe the players agreed to that! Cmon MLBPA


"Clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead."
RE: RE: Do the Mets lose their first round pick  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16003356 DanMetroMan said:
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every year they have a payroll over a certain amount?

Can’t believe the players agreed to that! Cmon MLBPA



"Clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead."


Assuming the Mets blow past the threshold every year, their pick will just be moved back 10 spots every year, correct? Or is it a penalty that increases in severity the more times (or consecutive times) you do it?
Pablo  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 2:53 pm : link
Lopez and 2 unnamed prospects to the Twins for Arraez
RE: RE: RE: Do the Mets lose their first round pick  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16003504 KDavies said:
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every year they have a payroll over a certain amount?

Can’t believe the players agreed to that! Cmon MLBPA



"Clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead."



Assuming the Mets blow past the threshold every year, their pick will just be moved back 10 spots every year, correct? Or is it a penalty that increases in severity the more times (or consecutive times) you do it?


Full CBT rules here
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DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 2:59 pm : link
Ryan/Lopez/Gray/Mahle +Maeda/Ober. No ace, but that should be a very solid rotation
RE: Pablo  
Shecky : 1/20/2023 3:18 pm : link
In comment 16003597 DanMetroMan said:
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Lopez and 2 unnamed prospects to the Twins for Arraez


Great trade for the Twins, and IMO an AWFUL move for the Marlins. Traded the best of the three pitchers they were shopping. Threw in a good prospect. And all they got was a Jeff McNeil lite. Not discounting Arraez, but that’s a complimentary player, not a build around.
And the way the Marlins always operate, they will stupidly move Jazz eventually because if this lol. Holy shit is that kid a personality and a half!!!
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KDavies : 1/20/2023 3:24 pm : link
In comment 16003604 DanMetroMan said:
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Ryan/Lopez/Gray/Mahle +Maeda/Ober. No ace, but that should be a very solid rotation


Very solid rotation. Don't know how I feel about Arraez. Batting champ, hit .316. Crazy BB/K ratios. Obviously an excellent hitter (possibly the best pure hitter in the game), but 8 HRs and 4 SBs last year. With no power and no speed, hard player to value. He's almost a modern-day Tony Gwynn when that type of player isn't valued as much as back then in the 90s. Ultimately a good deal for the Marlins, as they have a pitching surplus and need the hitting. I'm sure Arraez will be a pain in ass for the Mets for the next few years until he's inevitably traded.
RE: RE: Pablo  
KDavies : 1/20/2023 3:27 pm : link
In comment 16003635 Shecky said:
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Lopez and 2 unnamed prospects to the Twins for Arraez



Great trade for the Twins, and IMO an AWFUL move for the Marlins. Traded the best of the three pitchers they were shopping. Threw in a good prospect. And all they got was a Jeff McNeil lite. Not discounting Arraez, but that’s a complimentary player, not a build around.
And the way the Marlins always operate, they will stupidly move Jazz eventually because if this lol. Holy shit is that kid a personality and a half!!!


Cabrera is better than Pablo IMO, and Luzardo probably as well. Pablo is 26. The other two are 24. Add in the fact that Pablo has 2 less years of control than Luzardo and 4 less than Cabrera and he has the least value, particularly for the Marlins.
RE: RE: Pablo  
Eric on Li : 1/20/2023 4:13 pm : link
In comment 16003635 Shecky said:
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Lopez and 2 unnamed prospects to the Twins for Arraez



Great trade for the Twins, and IMO an AWFUL move for the Marlins. Traded the best of the three pitchers they were shopping. Threw in a good prospect. And all they got was a Jeff McNeil lite. Not discounting Arraez, but that’s a complimentary player, not a build around.
And the way the Marlins always operate, they will stupidly move Jazz eventually because if this lol. Holy shit is that kid a personality and a half!!!


not sure i agree. prospects they gave up aside (who i dont know) they get 1 extra year of control of mcneil lite and while lopez may be the best of who they were shopping right now, im not sure how much upside there is relative to their others. he's very solid across the board but it's hard to envision any scenario where the marlins go anywhere regardless of what they do but if there is one longshot possibility it's got to be their 1 or 2 more of the higher upside starters hitting at once in a very big way along with alcantara. i presume this is the best position player with years of control they can get (and obviously to do it they also had to add prospects).

kind of a weird deal but that's the marlins. arraez/chisolm/segura is the makings of an at least interesting top of the order/IF that will be a pain in the ass to play against. especially if they can add more offense in lf/dh cheaply.
RE: RE: RE: Pablo  
Eric on Li : 1/20/2023 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16003651 KDavies said:
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Lopez and 2 unnamed prospects to the Twins for Arraez



Great trade for the Twins, and IMO an AWFUL move for the Marlins. Traded the best of the three pitchers they were shopping. Threw in a good prospect. And all they got was a Jeff McNeil lite. Not discounting Arraez, but that’s a complimentary player, not a build around.
And the way the Marlins always operate, they will stupidly move Jazz eventually because if this lol. Holy shit is that kid a personality and a half!!!



Cabrera is better than Pablo IMO, and Luzardo probably as well. Pablo is 26. The other two are 24. Add in the fact that Pablo has 2 less years of control than Luzardo and 4 less than Cabrera and he has the least value, particularly for the Marlins.


right and now they add 1 extra year of control with Arraez so there's a window where if 1 of the other young SP breaks out to form a real 1-2 punch with Alcantara, they have a window for a few years.

this feels a bit like if mets traded niese back in 2012/2013 when he was 25/26 for one of the solid cost controlled position players we were hoping to find without having to trade wheeler/syndergaard. niese for starlin castro would have actually been kind of on the nose.
Thanks, Dan.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/20/2023 4:37 pm : link
Reasonable rankings.
Jazz  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 5:09 pm : link
will now be a CFer wow
Twins  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2023 5:12 pm : link
got back a legit top 100 prospect and an interesting lottery ticket type.
RE: Jazz  
Shecky : 1/20/2023 6:02 pm : link
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will now be a CFer wow


That’s, interesting. That answers my question then
Thanks Dan
RE: Jazz  
Optimus-NY : 1/20/2023 6:18 pm : link
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will now be a CFer wow


Wow indeed. I'd try and pry away Luzardo or Cabrera from them still, somehow, someway (Mauricio + Vientos + whatever else).
BP  
DanMetroMan : 1/23/2023 1:25 pm : link
Top 101
No. 4 Francisco Álvarez
No. 17 Brett Baty
No. 64 Kevin Parada
No. 75 Jett Williams
No. 101 Alex Ramirez
mcneil in ny today at citi and tonight at nyr game with his agent  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 9:42 pm : link
plus john franco. hopefully an extension soon to be announced.
It’s a slow news time of the year  
Shecky : 1/23/2023 9:53 pm : link
But Mets are in the midst of some incredible hires to help rebuild the ML system inside and out. Incredibly excited to see it implemented, and hoping to see some surprising growth from a lot of unknown names. Fingers crossed.
RE: It’s a slow news time of the year  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16011165 Shecky said:
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But Mets are in the midst of some incredible hires to help rebuild the ML system inside and out. Incredibly excited to see it implemented, and hoping to see some surprising growth from a lot of unknown names. Fingers crossed.


but how many out of baseball former gms have they interviewed?
Mauricio  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2023 11:20 am : link
didn't crack MLB.com's top 13 SS prospects. Alvarez previously #1 at C, Parada 3, Baty #2 at 3b
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2023 12:25 pm : link
Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
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Adalberto Mondesi is being traded to the Red Sox, per source. The Royals will receive Josh Taylor in exchange, while Boston will also receive a player to be named later.
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2023 1:11 pm : link
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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The Kansas City #Royals have been busy on the trade market, and still have a couple of more deals they are lining up now. Stay tuned.
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2023 2:45 pm : link
Chicago White Sox pitcher Mike Clevinger is under investigation by Major League Baseball following allegations of domestic violence involving the mother of his 10-month-old daughter and child abuse.
Saucedo  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2023 4:34 pm : link
DFA'ed to make room for Pham.
RE: Mauricio  
Vanzetti : 1/24/2023 4:58 pm : link
In comment 16011812 DanMetroMan said:
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didn't crack MLB.com's top 13 SS prospects. Alvarez previously #1 at C, Parada 3, Baty #2 at 3b


Sounds like they don't think he can stick at SS
Rosenthal  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2023 5:01 pm : link
says it's unlikely the Mets sign a RP who doesn't have options left. Kind of odd they are obsessing over this vs. going for Chafin/Moore. They have 4 total RP's out of options (5 if you include Nogosek) vs. EVERYBODY else having options remaining.
red sox DFA matt barnes  
Eric on Li : 1/24/2023 9:09 pm : link
they have a week to work out a trade and if not i cant imagine anyone will claim him at 7.5m. honestly im not even sure i'd swap him for any contract the mets have (even ruf @ 3m).

if he ends up in FA he'd be available for the minimum while retaining his salary from the red sox. i think at that point he'd be worth a flier. he pitched well when he came back from injury at the end of the year (1.5 era/2.8 fip in his 22 innings in the 2nd half).
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2023 9:33 pm : link
Don’t see the Mets being in on Barnes. The 40 man is full and they have been reluctant on Chafin/Moore/Britton because they want optionable arms. Sure, if he takes a minor league deal but I doubt it’ll come to that.
Expectation is  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2023 9:36 pm : link
Escobar is the starting 3B. Apparently, he was dealing with some off field/family stuff last season.
sure  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2023 9:41 pm : link
sounds like Baty would have to put up a monster spring (including substantial improvement in the field) to unseat Escobar coming out of ST as Escobar is apparently a Buck favorite.
RE: I  
Eric on Li : 1/24/2023 11:09 pm : link
In comment 16012891 DanMetroMan said:
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Don’t see the Mets being in on Barnes. The 40 man is full and they have been reluctant on Chafin/Moore/Britton because they want optionable arms. Sure, if he takes a minor league deal but I doubt it’ll come to that.


id give up the 40 man spot (lee?) if it's a minimum deal because then he's just waivable if he stinks. the upside is worth it if he's pitching under a 3 era.
RE: sure  
Eric on Li : 1/24/2023 11:12 pm : link
In comment 16012900 DanMetroMan said:
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sounds like Baty would have to put up a monster spring (including substantial improvement in the field) to unseat Escobar coming out of ST as Escobar is apparently a Buck favorite.


jmo but all 3 kids should have to put up monster springs to stick.

at DH it's a little more possible that ruf/vogey look like crap and maybe vientos just deserves the spot more without a monster spring, but he's been such a slow starter my preference would be to get those guys all off the ground fast at AAA before a call up.

a month in if either of baty/vientos are ops'ing over 900 at cuse they better be up though if the vets aren't earning their playing time at DH.
Sammon  
DanMetroMan : 1/25/2023 8:56 am : link
- Baty to focus on 3B, unclear if he’ll see LF time
-sounds likely Baty/Alvarez open in AAA as Eppler sees real value to reps/performance there
-Matt Allan is in a “throwing program”
-Vientos will see time at 1B/3B, scouts don’t think he’s athletic enough to play OF and doubt he’s athletic enough to play 3B much
-unclear what the plan is for Mauricio position wise
Per  
DanMetroMan : 1/25/2023 8:57 am : link
Sammon

One sleeper from the class is 6-foot-4, 195-pound outfielder Enderson Asencio (Dominican Republic), whose exit velocity, loud bat and power have reminded some scouts of Franmil Reyes.
Cryptic  
DanMetroMan : 1/25/2023 10:14 am : link
But was just told the Mets have been very hush hush with Allan and it’s believed he’s had a “tough road” back. May or may not be ready for ST. I’m not expecting much at this point
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/25/2023 10:24 am : link
Jim Edmonds/Kenny Lofton are egregious 1 and dones . There are *2* CF with higher JAWS than Kenny Lofton not in the HOF… Mike Trout and Carlos Beltran. Edmonds? Those 3 and Andruw Jones
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/25/2023 5:29 pm : link
sign Humberto Mejia to a minor league deal

"

Mejía jumped from A-ball to the Marlins rotation in 2020 after COVID ravaged the big league pitching staff; under difficult circumstances, he performed as well as could be expected. Independent of any other variables, though, one big league call-up has a knack for begetting more, and such was the case in 2021 when a still-undercooked Mejía was again summoned to the majors for five starts down the stretch. Another big league battering highlighted his inexperience, particularly commanding his fastball, which got torched. He’s a slightly different pitcher now than he was two years ago, however, as he’s all but shelved the curve and has added a sinker, one that could actually play better than the four-seamer given his arm slot and low spin rate. His slider and change are viable (if hardly special) secondaries for a long relief or backend starter role, and that’s where we project him.


Was released in May by the Diamondbacks
Michael  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2023 1:07 pm : link
Perez returns on a minor league deal. Perez should be a solid veteran influence on Alvarez assuming Alvarez opens in Syracuse. Alvarez will also have J.P. Arencibia as his bench coach.
Mendick  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2023 1:33 pm : link
believes he will be ready/healthy for OD.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2023 1:54 pm : link
SNY Mets
@SNY_Mets
Marte underwent core surgery in November and will not be participating in the World Baseball Classic in November.

On Mets Hot Stove, our @martinonyc
reported that Marte's status for Opening Day will be determined in early February.
here we go - locking up polar bear and squirrel ahead of ST  
Eric on Li : 1/27/2023 3:24 pm : link
would be great.

Michael Mayer @mikemayer22
1m
Sources: Mets and Jeff McNeil have held recent extension talks.

There's optimism that a deal could get done.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2023 3:26 pm : link
Neither Keryshawn Askew or Matt Dyer cracked TB's top 48 prospects for
u/fangraphs
. TB with an admittedly extremely deep farm
Lindor  
GF1080 : 1/27/2023 3:33 pm : link
MLB top SS had Lindor as #5 best SS last night. What a joke.
I know this is a computer ranking via their Shredder but still doesn't comprehend considering his all around game.

They also released top 100 prospects.

#3 Alvarez
# 21 Baty
#36 Parada
# 96 Ramirez
Fairbanks  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2023 3:35 pm : link
3 years, 4th year option for the Rays. I really love the off-season they are having. I wouldn't be shocked to see this be the year they make a trade for a big-name in-season. They will give the Yankees a run for their money in the AL East (Toronto too).
RE: Fairbanks  
GF1080 : 1/27/2023 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16016148 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
3 years, 4th year option for the Rays. I really love the off-season they are having. I wouldn't be shocked to see this be the year they make a trade for a big-name in-season. They will give the Yankees a run for their money in the AL East (Toronto too).


Springs getting 4 year $31 million was a little eye opening as well. I had him in fantasy last year and he was money but kind of figured he was doing it with smoke and mirrors. They must be inclined to think it's very repeatable.
Springs  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2023 3:45 pm : link
looks legit to me. No red flags that I can come up with other than limited track record of being this good.

-Hamels, Crick, Holland worked out for teams today. Heyman claims Hamels looked incredible but Heyman oddly tweets about Hamels all the time so who knows?
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2023 3:46 pm : link

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Cole Hamels threw for teams today in Arlington, Texas, and was said to look “insanely good.” Predicts he will receive interest off this session. 88-91 mph.

If Hamels were willing to take a minor league deal with an opt-out then I'd be interested. Otherwise, don't see it.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2023 4:20 pm : link

Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
·
5m
News, free and unlocked, at ESPN on Jeff McNeil's four-year, $50 million deal with the New York Mets. With McNeil not set to reach the open market until going into his age-33 season and free agency unkind to players with limited power, he went extension:
RE: .  
Shecky : 1/27/2023 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16016157 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Cole Hamels threw for teams today in Arlington, Texas, and was said to look “insanely good.” Predicts he will receive interest off this session. 88-91 mph.

If Hamels were willing to take a minor league deal with an opt-out then I'd be interested. Otherwise, don't see it.


When was the last time someone raved about someone looking insanely good and hitting upper 80s in the same breath??

For JV HS ball, maybe? That is one of the oddest fuckin comments I’ve read in a long, long time
Rays  
DanMetroMan : 1/28/2023 11:58 am : link
again


Juan Toribio
@juanctoribio
Yandy Díaz and the #Rays are closing in on a three-year, $24 million contract extension, sources tell me and
@Feinsand
. There’s an option for a fourth year.
RE: Rays  
Vanzetti : 1/29/2023 1:11 pm : link
In comment 16016681 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
again


Juan Toribio
@juanctoribio
Yandy Díaz and the #Rays are closing in on a three-year, $24 million contract extension, sources tell me and
@Feinsand
. There’s an option for a fourth year.



When I first read this, I thought it said "Yennsy Diaz." Yiikes!
Per  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 8:48 am : link
Will Sammon

-Senga to skip the WBC
-Peterson and Megill will open in Syracuse if rotation is healthy heading OD
-Marte viewed as the backup CF as of now, Pham and McNeil (0 career games out there) other options. Interestingly doesn’t mention Canha
Keith  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 8:53 am : link
Law

7 Alvarez
31 Baty
44 Parada
68 Ramirez
87 Mauricio

Ex-Mets
PCA 26
Rodriguez 34
RE: Per  
DanMetroMan : 1/30/2023 10:27 am : link
In comment 16019511 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
Will Sammon

-Senga to skip the WBC
-Peterson and Megill will open in Syracuse if rotation is healthy heading OD
-Marte viewed as the backup CF as of now, Pham and McNeil (0 career games out there) other options. Interestingly doesn’t mention Canha


Will actually DM'ed me and said they published an unfinished version of his article and that -Canha remains the most likely backup CF but Marte may see some time out there vs. last season when he wasn't an option (Pham as well)
kiley's top 100 just came out  
Eric on Li : 2/1/2023 10:41 am : link
Quote:
5. Francisco Alvarez, C, New York Mets
Age: 21 | Bats: Right | Throws: Right

Hit: 40/45, Game Power: 55/65, Raw Power: 65/70, Speed: 40/35, Fielding: 45/50, Throwing: 55/55

Type: Powerlifter who catches and will hit 30 homers some day

Reminds me of: He's somewhere in the Venn diagram of Gary Sanchez, Cal Raleigh, Salvador Perez and Willson Contreras.

As a 16-year-old from Venezuela, Alvarez was in the top tier of his international signing class. He signed for a $2.7 million bonus that ranked third-highest in the 2018 class. He is now the clear best player from a group that includes several players who place on this list: Diego Cartaya, Noelvi Marte, Marco Luciano, Orelvis Martinez, Kevin Alcantara, who all received seven-figure bonuses, and two breakout low-bonus prospects in Elly De La Cruz and Endy Rodriguez.

Alvarez's combination of game-changing power and premium position are the carrying tools. His contact ability is just OK and his speed won't help him leg out many infield hits, but Alvarez's shorter arms and incredible strength make for a scary combination for pitchers. Offensively, the question is how his approach and pitch selection will play in the big leagues. But his ceiling is 40 homers if it all clicks -- and that's not the ceiling of many players in the minor leagues, especially at his position.

On top of that, Alvarez has a real chance to be an everyday-quality defender behind the plate. He has always been built like a bowling ball, so his mobility isn't his biggest strength defensively. He makes up for it with his arm and he has made progress in all the soft skills like game-calling while physically staying loose and flexible. I think the four names in the Reminds Me Of section give you an idea of the different paths his career could take, with Gary Sanchez's a familiar roller-coaster ride that Mets fans are hoping to improve upon.

55 FV Tier

20. Brett Baty, 3B, New York Mets

Rich von Biberstein/Icon Sportswire
Age: 23 | Bats: Left | Throws: Right

Type: Power-over-hit corner guy

Baty is another prep hitter who has exceeded expectations despite being 19 years old on draft day. In high school, I loved the footwork and agility that he developed from playing multiple sports that helped in projecting him to stick at third base until at least his mid-20s. He is now 23 and about average defensively at third base, but can contribute at all four corner spots. At the plate, he has an average hit tool and pitch selection -- have to hope those don't end up being a notch or two lower -- with 25-30 home run upside if it all clicks.

56. Ronny Mauricio, SS, New York Mets
Age: 21 | Bats: Switch | Throws: Right

Type: Switch-hitting shortstop with massive upside, bad pitch selection.

The report On Mauricio has been about the same for four years: He has plus power potential, plus arm strength, slick actions at shortstop, and above average feel for the bat head, but swings far too often. He'll be 22 years old when the minor league season starts with a chase rate that is a 30-grade ability.

On the bright side, this is the part of hitting that clubs think is most coachable. Essentially, putting the bat on the ball consistently shows you have the eyesight to see the ball, thus the ability to be patient, it's just a matter of training the discipline of laying off the pitch. Mauricio has consistently been young for his level, so there's some natural growth to be expected as he matures, but he'll likely never be above average at this, as the concrete has mostly -- but not completely -- dried in my estimation. He also has the tools to be an above-average defender at shortstop but can be a bit of an adventure at times, which could also still be corrected.

If this all feels negative, he is ranked this high because he could break out and hit .270 with 25 homers at shortstop if things ever just click into place.


also has parada and ramirez listed as 50 grade prospects just outside the top 100.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/35490487/top-100-mlb-prospects-list-2023-kiley-mcdaniel - ( New Window )
this probably belongs in mcneil thread but probably not enough  
Eric on Li : 2/1/2023 11:08 am : link
activity to justify 2 met threads right now. good article from the athletic on the journey from eppler getting hired to extending mcneil. will sammon has had a lot of good articles this offseason.

Quote:
The relationship between Longo and Eppler stretches back to the early 2000s when the latter worked in the Rockies’ scouting department. Both share California roots. So soon after Eppler was named GM of the Mets, Longo reached out to offer his congratulations. But the conversation soon shifted to McNeil, one of Longo’s clients at Paragon Sports International.

“I love that he’s a Long Beach State Dirtbag,” Longo recalled Eppler saying. “I want to make the Mets the ‘Dirtbags’ of MLB.”

“That would be really cool,” Longo replied. “Jeff would love to hear that.”

The two then ventured into planning mode, scrambling to figure out how Eppler could meet with McNeil before the work stoppage was set to begin in just a few weeks. The original plan was for all three men to convene in Los Angeles. But because Longo and Eppler already had shared history, the agent made a suggestion to the GM: “Why don’t you just go to dinner with Jeff and you two talk?”

So McNeil drove down from just north of Santa Barbara. Eppler drove up from southern Orange County. They met near LAX for dinner, making McNeil the first Mets player that Eppler sat down with as the new GM.

Sitting across the table, Eppler outlined the Mets’ expectations for McNeil and emphasized that whatever transpired during his 2021 season did not matter. That year, McNeil hit .251/.319/.360 with seven home runs in 426 plate appearances. It was a stark dropoff from his previous two campaigns, when he slashed .316/.384/.511 through 776 plate appearances. Still, Eppler told McNeil that his skill set was “extremely valuable for this organization.”

Longo recalled being pleased with the exchange. Experience has taught him that whenever a player hears directly from his employer that he is of value, the sentiment carries weight. It eases pressure. It supplies confidence. It helps.

After meeting with Eppler, McNeil told Longo something that would matter when it came time to talk about an extension: “I can play for that guy.”

How Jeff McNeil’s path to an extension with the Mets began with a simple dinner - ( New Window )
RE: .  
Ron Johnson : 2/1/2023 11:08 am : link
In comment 16016205 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:

Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
·
5m
News, free and unlocked, at ESPN on Jeff McNeil's four-year, $50 million deal with the New York Mets. With McNeil not set to reach the open market until going into his age-33 season and free agency unkind to players with limited power, he went extension:



McNeil career OPS: .828
Correa career OPS: .836

McNeil is a steal!
RE: RE: .  
Eric on Li : 2/1/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16021856 Ron Johnson said:
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In comment 16016205 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:



Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
·
5m
News, free and unlocked, at ESPN on Jeff McNeil's four-year, $50 million deal with the New York Mets. With McNeil not set to reach the open market until going into his age-33 season and free agency unkind to players with limited power, he went extension:




McNeil career OPS: .828
Correa career OPS: .836

McNeil is a steal!


they had leverage on him but still completely agree. id take 2 or 3 mcneils over a lot of the guys on 300m contracts.
Law ranks farm system #15  
Eric on Li : 2/2/2023 10:17 am : link
Quote:
15. New York Mets
The Mets have drafted exceptionally well, and have had some huge successes on the international front, at least in terms of getting guys who would become top-100 prospects. This year’s list has five current Mets prospects, plus two former Mets prospects in Pete Crow-Armstrong and Endy Rodriguez, to say nothing of other prospects they’ve traded away who have since graduated (like Andrés Giménez, Jarred Kelenic, Amed Rosario and more). The current system is pretty top-heavy, but the upper tier, which has the five guys on the top 100 plus two more I’d say were in the next 30-40, is good enough to make this a mid-level farm system overall. There’s some intriguing pitching much lower down, but nobody has popped yet to be a likely big-league starter.


also another good sammon article on baty working on his defense with troy tulowitzki.

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Some days, Troy Tulowitzki would pause his trash talking, slide on a glove, and put on a demonstration that accomplished two things. The first was giving hands-on instruction to a willing student in Brett Baty. The second was reminding the highly regarded Mets prospect just who he was dealing with.

“He’d be trying to show me up,” Baty said in a recent phone interview. “And, I mean, most of the time he would.”

Ahead of what could be a critical 2023 season, Baty sought help to improve defensively at third base. He turned to a former star shortstop in Tulowitzki, who essentially gave Baty a no-nonsense master class on how to be a pro. It was exactly what he wanted.


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“Third base, he still needs to work at it, but I think he’d be the first one to tell you that,” Tulowitzki said. “He needs to get better over there. But some people need to get better because they aren’t athletic enough or don’t have arm strength. He’s got all the tools. He just needs some reps.”

Baty’s time with Tulowitzki should only help.

Training with Tulowitzki, it turns out, includes getting instruction from guests. A couple of weeks ago, Blue Jays third baseman Matt Chapman and shortstop Bo Bichette joined the workout group at Texas. Tulowitzki, who played for Toronto near the end of his 13-year career, is close with Dante Bichette, Bo’s father, because of their deep ties to the Rockies. As a three-time Gold Glove award winner at third base, Chapman’s presence was especially beneficial.

“That was a really good experience,” Baty said. “He is one of the very best third basemen in the game. Just to be able to pick his brain about how he goes about his business over there, and how he fields, his cues and what helps him out was really good.”

Why Mets prospect Brett Baty spent a critical winter working with Troy Tulowitzki - ( New Window )
Article  
DanMetroMan : 2/2/2023 10:29 am : link
supports the idea that Baty likely needs more time at AAA considering the Mets are trying to win now. For a bad team he could take his lumps at the big league level.
RE: Article  
Eric on Li : 2/2/2023 11:01 am : link
In comment 16022621 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
supports the idea that Baty likely needs more time at AAA considering the Mets are trying to win now. For a bad team he could take his lumps at the big league level.


i think both he and alvarez should get 200-500 innings on defense in the first half, and then june/july 1 get consideration for DH (and occasional field work) if they are the best bats for the DH spot.

ahead of that vientos is the only one who should be considered for full time DH day 1 just because that's likely all his glove allows any way. but even with him unless he has an alonso 2019 spring, id probably get him on track in AAA for a month while giving ruf/vogey a shot to get off to good starts.
the big mistake they can't repeat again is if it's june 1/july 1  
Eric on Li : 2/2/2023 11:04 am : link
and they are not getting production from those guys positions, they should give them a chance if they are playing well.

worst case they have a bad month or two, you trade for a vet at the deadline, and send them back down. but that's still not as bad of a case as never giving them a shot, wasting at bats on guys who had no future here, and then making trades for a guy who was probably one of the worst hitters in mlb over the second half.
Martino  
DanMetroMan : 2/2/2023 4:31 pm : link
(regarding the3)

"All of those players still have development benchmarks to hit, mostly on defense; because of that, they will not be given the chance to compete for the DH gig out of spring training."
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/2/2023 4:53 pm : link
Per @JonHeyman
sources say Kodei Senga had an "iffy" physical for @mets
#Mets
Dan what’s that mean?  
bhill410 : 2/2/2023 5:15 pm : link
They have already made the signing official no? Or am I misremembering and there was not a press conference.
RE: Dan what’s that mean?  
DanMetroMan : 2/2/2023 5:16 pm : link
In comment 16023106 bhill410 said:
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They have already made the signing official no? Or am I misremembering and there was not a press conference.


It's likely *why* they included language *if* he has TJ or elbow issues. The deal is done, he's saying before they agreed to the deal they had concerns.
adds some context to why it took them awhile to announce senga  
Eric on Li : 2/2/2023 5:54 pm : link
getting out ahead of setting expectations that the rookies DONT make the active roster out of ST is exactly the right thing to do. to make they should have to win those spots beyond any doubt with their performance. and even if they perform great if a veteran performs even better, then going down to start is ok.

only once AAA becomes a joke do they have to come up. though obviously if you have MLB guys not performing like last year the bar gets a little lower.
Non 40 Man Minor Leaguers Invited to ST  
GF1080 : 2/2/2023 6:42 pm : link
Minor leaguers not on the 40-man roster that the Mets have invited to big league camp:

OF Alex Ramirez
C Kevin Parada
C Nick Meyer
RHP Grant Hartwig
RHP Connor Grey
RHP Eric Orze
C Hayden Senger
LHP Josh Walker
INF Jonathan Araúz
RHP William Woods
fresh off his good mcneil guess i think duquette is high on alonso  
Eric on Li : 2/2/2023 8:58 pm : link
Quote:
SNY @SNYtv
1d
.@Jim_Duquette proposes an 8-year, $240 million extension for Pete Alonso on Mets Hot Stove, while @martinonyc, Terry Collins, and @emacSNY discuss the possibility of a deal getting done this offseason: on.sny.tv/PJ2hYmJ


i think that's a lot closer to what he'd get as a UFA and not enough discount for the reality that he's 2 years away.

though i guess if you consider that he was 7m high on mcneil's 50m deal, that's 14%, so a similar miss here would bring the alonso guess down to 8 years 204m, which i think is pretty close.

i see the mets being willing to go longer with more total $ in return for a lower aav (and less tax) so i think my guess would be a 9 year $210m.
Morosi  
DanMetroMan : 2/2/2023 9:23 pm : link
Predicted 8 for “200 range”
RE: Morosi  
Eric on Li : 2/2/2023 9:45 pm : link
In comment 16023373 DanMetroMan said:
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Predicted 8 for “200 range”


i think that's basically the deal, with a 9th year giving the mets a way to spread the hits out over 1 extra year.

8 years takes alonso through his a35, so i dont think he'd care to get back to UFA 1 year sooner vs a little extra total $ guaranteed but maybe after abreu's deal there's some hope to get another multi-year deal after 35.
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