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NFT: Mets chat: 6 Mets make BA top 100/Duvall signs with Boston

DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:19 am
#9 Alvarez
#16 Senga
#33 Baty
#50 Parada
#92 Ramirez
#98 Williams

Notable: Mauricio did not make the top 100. It's clear the scouting/prospect industry are far lower on Ronny Mauricio than many @mets fans are. I'm not saying one side is right, but that much is evident.

-Adam Duvall signed with Boston, 1 year 7 with incentives
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Ex-Met prospects  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:20 am : link
Endy Rodriguez at 23

Pete Crow-Armstrong at 25
ah, Senga  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:21 am : link
I was shocked at the 6 making it, but forgot about Senga
Mets have a very impressive farm system right now  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:24 am : link
though I don't really consider Senga a prospect, that list doesn't include Vientos and Mauricio, both of whom could have valuable roles with the MLB team going forward. Nor does it include any of their pitchers. Though they don't have any guys that look like definitive aces, they have some very interesting guys.

Really liked the int'l signings as well
RE: Ex-Met prospects  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:26 am : link
In comment 16000468 DanMetroMan said:
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Endy Rodriguez at 23

Pete Crow-Armstrong at 25


That hurts, particularly since nothing was gained much from either for more than half a season. Kelenic disappointing takes the sting off the Diaz trade and turns it into a win for the organization.
To  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:26 am : link
be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.
Britton  
davew926 : 1/18/2023 10:30 am : link
Dan-what are your thoughts on signing Britton? Is Pham on the radar?
If you  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:31 am : link
really break it down, the Mets have *1* SP prospect who has had even 2 seasons of minor league success (Jose Butto) and it's ?? if he's even a SP at the next level. Tidwell/Ziegler are ranked where they are within the Mets system due to stuff and/or where they were drafted, not production and every team in baseball has a few Hamel/Vasil types. I suspect Jagers was brought in (at least in part) because the drafting/development of SP in the system has been stagnant for a while now. I like David Peterson (picked in 2017) but who is the last very good SP prospect/arm the Mets have had/developed? and that's not a Brodie situation, they didn't trade off arms who are doing well in other places. Who would that even be?
RE: To  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:32 am : link
In comment 16000480 DanMetroMan said:
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be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.


Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. They do have some interesting guys though. Allan (health willing obviously), Ziegler, Vasil, Diaz, Tidwell, and Hamel. None are top 100 prospects, but I could see 2-3 developing into mid to back end starters.
RE: Britton  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:34 am : link
In comment 16000486 davew926 said:
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Dan-what are your thoughts on signing Britton? Is Pham on the radar?


Pham is *on the radar* inasmuch they reportedly have expressed interest. That being said, he's reportedly still looking for a chance to start (Duvall got that in Boston). If that's his goal, he'll likely land on a bad team willing to allow that. Britton would be a fine "lottery ticket" but he's 35 years old and has pitched less than 40 innings since 2019. His velocity over the past 2 (a whopping 19 innings) was down a full 2 MPH. Of course, the more the merrier but he's a far inferior option to Chafin and Matt Moore.
RE: RE: To  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:35 am : link
In comment 16000493 KDavies said:
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be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.



Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. They do have some interesting guys though. Allan (health willing obviously), Ziegler, Vasil, Diaz, Tidwell, and Hamel. None are top 100 prospects, but I could see 2-3 developing into mid to back end starters.


I have a bad feeling about Allan. I suspect we are going to hear he had another setback etc. Ernest Dove said he spoke to somebody who wouldn't commit to him being 100% ready for ST. He was originally supposed to pitch second half 2022 so *if* that's the case, something happened. The fact we have heard radio silence (even from the Resnick types) has me at the very least pessimistic.
Mets have done better drafting position players than pitchers lately  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:40 am : link
obviously, though part of does seem to be an organizational strategy. Since, they drafted Harvey in '10, the only pitchers in the 1st have been Fulmer (44), Dunn (19), Kay (31), and Peterson (20). I guess you can also include Rocker at 10 who didn't sign.

I prefer this method in investing 1st round picks (at least high ones) in position players. Let the pitching be more of a numbers game in the draft. This year, I would have no issues with them going all (or primarily) pitching with the extra picks from losing deGrom and Bassitt, and not signing Sproat
RE: To  
BigBlue7 : 1/18/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16000480 DanMetroMan said:
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be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.


Dan - do you get the feeling that the organizational philosophy is to draft position players and use free agency to sign proven pitchers - or are they just operating this way currently because of the current state of the farm system?
Man, Endy at 23!  
figgy2989 : 1/18/2023 10:43 am : link
That one stings a little more as all we got in return was Lucchesi.

Dan, what are you thoughts on Fanas and Juan. Most rankings have Fanas a bit higher than Juan, but Juan was definitely the bigger name when he was signed.
RE: Mets have done better drafting position players than pitchers lately  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:43 am : link
In comment 16000514 KDavies said:
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obviously, though part of does seem to be an organizational strategy. Since, they drafted Harvey in '10, the only pitchers in the 1st have been Fulmer (44), Dunn (19), Kay (31), and Peterson (20). I guess you can also include Rocker at 10 who didn't sign.

I prefer this method in investing 1st round picks (at least high ones) in position players. Let the pitching be more of a numbers game in the draft. This year, I would have no issues with them going all (or primarily) pitching with the extra picks from losing deGrom and Bassitt, and not signing Sproat


Well picking pitchers particularly high and developing P or signing IFA P shouldn't go directly hand in hand. Even with their relatively high picks their P have left a lot to be desired.

Since 2016 they have used relatively high picks on Dunn/Kay/Peterson (DP looks good), Dibrell, SWR, Hill, Wolf, Allan, Ginn +Ziegler/Hamel (TBD), Tidwell (TBD), that's a pretty meek group (not including the TBD's). And that doesn't include "picked 8th round but has emerged as a potential MLB SP" types.
RE: RE: To  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:44 am : link
In comment 16000518 BigBlue7 said:
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be fair, none of the pitchers in the system deserved top 100 consideration. The system remains very, very thin in SP prospects.



Dan - do you get the feeling that the organizational philosophy is to draft position players and use free agency to sign proven pitchers - or are they just operating this way currently because of the current state of the farm system?


They are pretty open about the fact they have been "forced" to sign SP because they don't have internal options. If the goal is to mimic the Dodgers, they have a lot of work to do on the pitching side. The Dodgers routinely pick late and yet are LOADED with interesting arms.
RE: Man, Endy at 23!  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:48 am : link
In comment 16000520 figgy2989 said:
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That one stings a little more as all we got in return was Lucchesi.

Dan, what are you thoughts on Fanas and Juan. Most rankings have Fanas a bit higher than Juan, but Juan was definitely the bigger name when he was signed.


Watched them both pretty extensively this year. I'm far from a scout and even further when it comes to judging teenagers playing in DR but Fanas looked underdeveloped physically (he had *3* extra base hits) despite being an "older" DSL player (he's turning 19 next week, for comparisons sake Alex Ramirez just turned 20 and is *likely* going to see AA this season. Juan "looked the part" 6'2-6'3, showed plus speed, solid idea at the plate, won't be 18 until July. I was far more impressed with Juan (though neither one had strong seasons statistically). Hard to have expected a ton from Juan, but Fanas certainly disappointed.
Thank you Dan  
figgy2989 : 1/18/2023 10:51 am : link
Follow up question regarding Ramirez, he cracked most top 100 lists late last year, are you disappointed to still see him listed in the 90's?
Some  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:53 am : link
new soignee hitters to watch for me would be William Lugo, Wyatt Young (the Mets are apparently very high on him as a potential bench piece), Vincent Perozo, Junior Tillen, Dangelo Sarmiento, Jesus Baez
RE: RE: Britton  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 10:53 am : link
In comment 16000498 DanMetroMan said:
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Dan-what are your thoughts on signing Britton? Is Pham on the radar?



Pham is *on the radar* inasmuch they reportedly have expressed interest. That being said, he's reportedly still looking for a chance to start (Duvall got that in Boston). If that's his goal, he'll likely land on a bad team willing to allow that. Britton would be a fine "lottery ticket" but he's 35 years old and has pitched less than 40 innings since 2019. His velocity over the past 2 (a whopping 19 innings) was down a full 2 MPH. Of course, the more the merrier but he's a far inferior option to Chafin and Matt Moore.



Jon Heyman
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Mets do have an offer out to Pham. Uncertain how many others are involved. He likely wants to assess playing time as he’d be 4th OF with Mets with some possible DH time
article on the Mets int'l signings  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:55 am : link
Gutierrez, Baptist, and Larez are the big names. Hurtado is also interesting. A lefty who I read was getting up to 97
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RE: RE: RE: Britton  
Mike in NY : 1/18/2023 10:56 am : link
In comment 16000554 DanMetroMan said:
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Dan-what are your thoughts on signing Britton? Is Pham on the radar?



Pham is *on the radar* inasmuch they reportedly have expressed interest. That being said, he's reportedly still looking for a chance to start (Duvall got that in Boston). If that's his goal, he'll likely land on a bad team willing to allow that. Britton would be a fine "lottery ticket" but he's 35 years old and has pitched less than 40 innings since 2019. His velocity over the past 2 (a whopping 19 innings) was down a full 2 MPH. Of course, the more the merrier but he's a far inferior option to Chafin and Matt Moore.




Jon Heyman
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Mets do have an offer out to Pham. Uncertain how many others are involved. He likely wants to assess playing time as he’d be 4th OF with Mets with some possible DH time


Considering none of Canha/Nimmo/Marte have proven they can stay healthy all year there would be a lot of playing time with the Mets as long as the Mets want to keep McNeil at 2B. The bigger issue is what to do with Baty/Vientos.
Pham would be a nice signing  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 10:57 am : link
how is his defense lately?
RE: Thank you Dan  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:00 am : link
In comment 16000544 figgy2989 said:
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Follow up question regarding Ramirez, he cracked most top 100 lists late last year, are you disappointed to still see him listed in the 90's?


Not particularly. He had a solid/nice season but he's still about projection and whether he can remain in CF. He posted a 121 wRC+ (very good but not outstanding), 8% walk rate (solid for his age but not outstanding) very solid 22% K rate but again... not "unusually good". I'm sure if you had a chance to speak to the people who put the list together they would say they remain high on him, that he had a solid/solid-strong season but didn't "break out" statistically. Ramirez has as good a shot as any of the Mets prospects as being #1 in the system at this point next year.
RE: Pham would be a nice signing  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:02 am : link
In comment 16000564 KDavies said:
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how is his defense lately?


DRS last 2 seasons -4, OAA -12. 0 DRS in 2022, -6 OAA.
RE: RE: Thank you Dan  
figgy2989 : 1/18/2023 11:02 am : link
In comment 16000573 DanMetroMan said:
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Follow up question regarding Ramirez, he cracked most top 100 lists late last year, are you disappointed to still see him listed in the 90's?



Not particularly. He had a solid/nice season but he's still about projection and whether he can remain in CF. He posted a 121 wRC+ (very good but not outstanding), 8% walk rate (solid for his age but not outstanding) very solid 22% K rate but again... not "unusually good". I'm sure if you had a chance to speak to the people who put the list together they would say they remain high on him, that he had a solid/solid-strong season but didn't "break out" statistically. Ramirez has as good a shot as any of the Mets prospects as being #1 in the system at this point next year.


Man, it would be nice to have a big time OF prospect in the system. Like you said above, if he can be at AA by age 20, that's just tremendous.
Speaking of depth OF  
Mike in NY : 1/18/2023 11:05 am : link
I would have looked at claiming Kyle Garlick cheaply as he mashes lefties
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:07 am : link
mentions JBJ as an available OFer...

-1.7 fWAR over the past 2 seasons with a 45 OPS+, no that's not a typo. Absolutely not.
Dom  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:09 am : link
will start at 1b for the Nats

-Not an ideal fit for the Mets as a 4th OFer (Eppler connection aside) but it appears Adell will open at AAA for the Angels
Pham  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:12 am : link
a Met per Mayer
Man that Endy ranking!  
bhill410 : 1/18/2023 11:12 am : link
Where the heck did that come from. They really botched that trade almost as much as the Baez one. Thanks for nothing Sandy.

With regard to Mauricio, I get it due to the plate discipline, but I just don’t understand how you can have the winter league performance he just had and not have the guy in the top 100. These guys all get certain buzz performance standards and completely wiff on certain types of players (see Alonso).
RE: Man that Endy ranking!  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:15 am : link
In comment 16000613 bhill410 said:
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Where the heck did that come from. They really botched that trade almost as much as the Baez one. Thanks for nothing Sandy.

With regard to Mauricio, I get it due to the plate discipline, but I just don’t understand how you can have the winter league performance he just had and not have the guy in the top 100. These guys all get certain buzz performance standards and completely wiff on certain types of players (see Alonso).


Rodriguez has developed into one of the top C prospects in baseball. That was truly an awful deal as Rodriguez hit at a high level immediately after signing.
Endy Rodriguez  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:19 am : link
at 19, .921 OPS, .411 OBP/.510 slug. It's not outside the realm of possibility he ends up a better player than Alvarez or Parada. Both that and the PCA trades were both very shortsighted and that's not being revisionist.
prospect lists tend to only go 2 directions  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 11:20 am : link
younger guys rise fast but once a prospect starts going down lists they dont usually move back up.

if my memory is right nimmo was like that - his draft pedigree had him on lists his first few years but he slowly fell off them even as he advanced levels because his numbers didnt give him enough helium to move up (so instead he moved down as others move up).

the under ranking of alonso right before he hit 50 homers as a rookie has forever tainted me from taking these lists as seriously. it was clear in his full AAA season and fall league performance he was perhaps the best hitter in MILB other than vlad jr. and they were ranked like 50 players apart.
looks like fantasy football is going up a level next year  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 11:22 am : link
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Actually, the Mets have agreed to terms with Pham, pending physical, per source.


i like this signing. adding a little extra intensity into the clubhouse could be a good thing and i assume if he's a problem buck will be on top of it or he'll be gone in a nanosecond.
Pham has been signed  
10thAve : 1/18/2023 11:23 am : link
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Heyman says it's $6m and martino says they did their homework  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 11:23 am : link
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Yes, Tommy Pham slapped a man because of fantasy football, but the background work Mets did on him turned up intel that he's a very well-liked teammate and good clubhouse presence. The man he slapped was on a different ballclub, after all

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Pham Mets deal: $6M

Brandon  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:24 am : link
Nimmo isn't the best of examples. He made BA's list before 2015 (45) and then he had a very poor season slugging... .372 (keep in mind, Nimmo wasn't a sure thing to remain in CF even as recently as 2 seasons ago), a "below average" CF or CO slugging .372 as a 22 year old is going to drop off of most lists, that seemed pretty fair to me.
nice job on Pham  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 11:27 am : link
time to trade Ruf for a bag of balls
RE: Brandon  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:28 am : link
In comment 16000647 DanMetroMan said:
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Nimmo isn't the best of examples. He made BA's list before 2015 (45) and then he had a very poor season slugging... .372 (keep in mind, Nimmo wasn't a sure thing to remain in CF even as recently as 2 seasons ago), a "below average" CF or CO slugging .372 as a 22 year old is going to drop off of most lists, that seemed pretty fair to me.


Worth noting, Nimmo's OPS before he cracked the list was .820, he had 40 extra base hits, 10 homers, 14 steals and a fantastic *394* OBP including 86 walks/105 k's. The following season his OPS was .734, he had 25 extra base hits, 5 steals. An OF with a then questionable glove being dropped seemed pretty accurate at the time.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:30 am : link
Pham's average exit velocity was top 7% in the league #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:30 am : link
Feels like the next move will be Ruf to Minnesota or TB #Mets
assuming Baty starting at 3B and Alvarez starting at AAA  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 11:33 am : link
Mets have a bench of:

Pham
Escobar
Nido
Guillorme

not bad at all.

Pham will get a ton of playing time. Wouldn't surprise me if he got more PT than Canha.
RE: assuming Baty starting at 3B and Alvarez starting at AAA  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:35 am : link
In comment 16000678 KDavies said:
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Mets have a bench of:

Pham
Escobar
Nido
Guillorme

not bad at all.

Pham will get a ton of playing time. Wouldn't surprise me if he got more PT than Canha.


Eppler yesterday indicated Escobar is likely the starting 3b, Baty to AAA
RE: Brandon  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2023 11:35 am : link
In comment 16000647 DanMetroMan said:
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Nimmo isn't the best of examples. He made BA's list before 2015 (45) and then he had a very poor season slugging... .372 (keep in mind, Nimmo wasn't a sure thing to remain in CF even as recently as 2 seasons ago), a "below average" CF or CO slugging .372 as a 22 year old is going to drop off of most lists, that seemed pretty fair to me.


it's hard for me to remember exactly when he cycled on and off lists, but his a21 2014 was solid split between A+ and AA (550 pas, 130 wrc), his a22 2015 was good enough to get promoted from AA (110 rc) to AAA where he did even better with a 121 rc. then his a23 2016 he went crazy with a 159 rc in 444 plate appearances before getting promoted. so that was 3 years of decent trajectory with 400+ plate appearances each year and i dont remember him getting much hype pre debut as a prospect on the rise.

in honor of pham ill use a fantasy football phrase - some prospects turn into post-hype sleepers. i think mauricio and vientos (and to some degree even someone like kelenic) fall into that category.
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DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:36 am : link
2 players of Vietnamese descent have played in the majors. Both will have played for @mets. The other being Danny Graves
RE: RE: assuming Baty starting at 3B and Alvarez starting at AAA  
KDavies : 1/18/2023 11:37 am : link
In comment 16000684 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets have a bench of:

Pham
Escobar
Nido
Guillorme

not bad at all.

Pham will get a ton of playing time. Wouldn't surprise me if he got more PT than Canha.



Eppler yesterday indicated Escobar is likely the starting 3b, Baty to AAA


Got ya. Missed that. If Vients, Baty, and Alvarez all start at AAA, looks like Mendick is the favorite right now to get Escobar's spot on the bench.
He  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:38 am : link
talked up Escobar and acknowledged Baty was only promoted due to injury/limited options. Didn't close the door on Baty but certainly doesn't sound likely he's the starting 3b.
Mendick  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:38 am : link
is not expected to be 100% for ST so I suspect he'll open on the IL
Sammon-  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:40 am : link
Related to that, though, Eppler did field an inquiry about whether Eduardo Escobar would be the Mets’ Opening Day third baseman or if rookie Brett Baty had a shot. Predictably, Eppler didn’t answer definitively. But he did mention that Escobar had a “really strong year last year,” and that Baty’s call-up was “born out of necessity” late last year because of injuries.
Mendick  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2023 11:40 am : link
tore his ACL in late June so yeah, it would be pretty shocking if he's ready for ST/OD.
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