I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
Ghere’s no question about that. None. They love to throw out first and foremost they’re Giants fans. Bullshit. Difference of opinions are what make forums tick. Still “holding out” with proof right in front of them, is totally about being right. Totally.
He always had elite talent. He’s not doing anything his season that we haven’t seen before. I would actually say that he’s just beginning to scratch the surface, and can be better than players like Allen or Burrow if we’re able to put a strong supporting cast around him.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
How sad must they be that being right on an anonymous message board would be that important to them. At least they had a 3 year run where they could pound their chest. Glad most of them left, the board is better with them gone.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
What a shitty way to live (imo). Must suck to not be able to enjoy watching our QB play well and develop. Imagine next year when he puts up bigger stats and the haters have nothing left to hate about (but they'll prolly carry on).
and certainly recognized the difficult circumstances he has had to start his career. Wanted to let it play out for the season.
Very proud of this young man for battling and keeping at it. Hoping for another big day Saturday.
I remember Strahan talking about Eli and how the outside sees the "ah schucks" side but on the field he was a stone cold killer and competitor. Young Daniel showing some of this imv.
RE: You can't silence Producer, you can only hope to contain him
I can't disagree that Jones looks better than ever the last 2-3 weeks. MAybe it's a combo of Hodgins and the WRs emerging and the OL...but whatever it is, you watch the replay of Sunday's game without the stress component, Jones looks like a super star in that game. I know the D sucks...he still looked like a super star. He runs like Cam Newton and his throws are virtually perfect. His pocket presence was otherworldly. The game REALLY slowed down for Jones on Sunday.
My god imagine he's this good...
RE: You can't silence Producer, you can only hope to contain him
I use the "Mute" browser extension to Edge. It suppresses all of Producer's comments so that they never even appear (unless copied by another poster in a comment).
Count me as a BBI person who never thought Daniel Jones
could reach this level. Even at mid season I wasn't convinced.
IMO his improvement in pre snap reads, setting protections, moving in the pocket, throwing on the run, post snap reads is off the charts in the last month. I thought the things he struggled with were "intangible" not something that could be taught/coached. Looks like I was totally wrong.
I give credit to Daboll and Kafka for seeing what Jones could do well, who the other 10 guys he's playing with are and designing/running an offense he could win with.
But Daniel Jones gets 100% credit for executing the offense better than I ever imagined. I think the Giants are going to sign him to very big 2nd contract and add better players on offense in the off season. Hopefully he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.
Jones has convinced me that he's deserving of a contract.
These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
He always had elite talent. He’s not doing anything his season that we haven’t seen before. I would actually say that he’s just beginning to scratch the surface, and can be better than players like Allen or Burrow if we’re able to put a strong supporting cast around him.
He always had elite talent. He’s not doing anything his season that we haven’t seen before. I would actually say that he’s just beginning to scratch the surface, and can be better than players like Allen or Burrow if we’re able to put a strong supporting cast around him.
I love your optimism! Jones has certainly proved me wrong this season, but to say he’s always had elite talent would go against nearly every scouting report of Jones ever written. I’d say his running ability was always elite. Outside of that, I’d be curious to hear what features were always known to be elite.
RE: Jones has convinced me that he's deserving of a contract.
These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
Three things, in my not-so-humble opinion, have made the difference. DJ's comfort with/knowledge of the offense; the addition of Isaiah Hodgins; improved OL play. It took most of the season for the OL to gel and for DJ to develop confidence in the offense. Hodgins' contribution is quite clear.
RE: Count me as a BBI person who never thought Daniel Jones
could reach this level. Even at mid season I wasn't convinced.
IMO his improvement in pre snap reads, setting protections, moving in the pocket, throwing on the run, post snap reads is off the charts in the last month. I thought the things he struggled with were "intangible" not something that could be taught/coached. Looks like I was totally wrong.
I give credit to Daboll and Kafka for seeing what Jones could do well, who the other 10 guys he's playing with are and designing/running an offense he could win with.
But Daniel Jones gets 100% credit for executing the offense better than I ever imagined. I think the Giants are going to sign him to very big 2nd contract and add better players on offense in the off season. Hopefully he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.
Well said. I feel the same way. Never a "hater," but definitely a "doubter." Very glad to be proven wrong.
RE: RE: Jones has convinced me that he's deserving of a contract.
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These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
Three things, in my not-so-humble opinion, have made the difference. DJ's comfort with/knowledge of the offense; the addition of Isaiah Hodgins; improved OL play. It took most of the season for the OL to gel and for DJ to develop confidence in the offense. Hodgins' contribution is quite clear.
Fair enough, so you are acknowledging that there was a significant progression from Jones. I agree with you, but then I also understand why people didn't see it and still need to see more. Jones playing at this level is still very new, it's not like he's been this good all season. The offense was very simple for the majority of the year.
These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
I think the small steps, incremental improvement was there to see. Even under judge, I thought the movement in the pocket and reduction in turnovers was constantly improving. The processing stuff was harder to see. When I watched the all 22 The garrett judge offense was so bad. All the routes broke at the same time. There really was not a progression. Prople saw jones hold the ball or not throw on time and attributed that to whatever they were inclined to attribute that to. But really there was nobody open. Defense sat on our shitty curls and waited. When we did complete passes they were highly contested and tight as a drum. Every throw was tough and there was nothing schemed to be easy. So the accuracy was always impressive to me.
the coaching, play design, and play calling were really terrible. Coupled with how lacking we were in other areas i don't think anyone could have thrived in the situation. Coaching really matters. Also to some degree, what the offense looked like without Jones was very telling. Glenon is not great, but he had proven to be reasonably competent in several other stops. He was completely lost and the O was useless
After that, We all saw flashes. Consistency was mostly the issues. I think parcells said something to the effect if i have seen them do it, I know they can do it. I felt like it was in there.
Lastly, I know it is often downplayed, but the intangibles are top notch. The menatl and physical toughness is elite. The work ethic, coachability, leadership....all that was beyond reproach.
Then there was just a leap of faith.
full disclosure, i am fairly optimistic by nature. I also don't think anything short of mahommes as a qb is a failure.
RE: Jones has convinced me that he's deserving of a contract.
These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
I pointed it out 1st game preseason (I think it was the 1st?). Daboll has given Jones the greenlight to scramble. Make a one side of the field read and if things look muddy, just start scrambling without hesitation.
really shows just how bad shurmur and judge were as head coaches
Shurmur only had DJ for his rookie year where he threw 25 TDs to 12 INT. Shurmur did a decent job with DJ but not with the team.
Then the Giants canned Shurmur and brought in Judge.
This is were DJ went down hill with no or horrible QB coaching the next two years. DJ had potential his rookie year that's why we were calling him Danny Dimes but Judge almost ruined him. With Daboll, he coached him up and we now see what DJ can do.
RE: RE: Jones has convinced me that he's deserving of a contract.
These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
I think the small steps, incremental improvement was there to see. Even under judge, I thought the movement in the pocket and reduction in turnovers was constantly improving. The processing stuff was harder to see. When I watched the all 22 The garrett judge offense was so bad. All the routes broke at the same time. There really was not a progression. Prople saw jones hold the ball or not throw on time and attributed that to whatever they were inclined to attribute that to. But really there was nobody open. Defense sat on our shitty curls and waited. When we did complete passes they were highly contested and tight as a drum. Every throw was tough and there was nothing schemed to be easy. So the accuracy was always impressive to me.
the coaching, play design, and play calling were really terrible. Coupled with how lacking we were in other areas i don't think anyone could have thrived in the situation. Coaching really matters. Also to some degree, what the offense looked like without Jones was very telling. Glenon is not great, but he had proven to be reasonably competent in several other stops. He was completely lost and the O was useless
After that, We all saw flashes. Consistency was mostly the issues. I think parcells said something to the effect if i have seen them do it, I know they can do it. I felt like it was in there.
Lastly, I know it is often downplayed, but the intangibles are top notch. The menatl and physical toughness is elite. The work ethic, coachability, leadership....all that was beyond reproach.
Then there was just a leap of faith.
full disclosure, i am fairly optimistic by nature. I also don't think anything short of mahommes as a qb is a failure.
Great post. The intangibles are top notch. He's such a great character guy to have lead your team. It's like our Favre to Rodgers, but its Eli to Jones.
These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
The emergence of a reliable WR, Hodgins, combined with the coaching staff opening up the playbook more. Passing more on first and second downs, has made a difference.
If you look at stats, every QB has a higher comp% on first and 2nd downs vs. 3rd, bc they're much less predictable (to the D) than 3rd down. The Giants weren't passing much on early downs (compared to other teams) earlier in the season.
I think Kafka, Daboll and Jones trust the receivers more now than they did earlier in the season, so the play calling is less conservative and Jones is letting it rip a little more into tight windows that he might've avoided earlier.
really shows just how bad shurmur and judge were as head coaches
Shurmur was at least an aggressive OC, just a really shitty head coach. Judge... well nothing really good to say about him.
Shurmur wasn’t a great head coach, but his offense wasn’t that bad. Jones also made progress playing for him outside of turnovers which is not uncommon for a rookie. Shurmur’s biggest issue was Bettcher as DC. He was fucking horrible. He made Patrick Graham look like Belichick.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
Ghere’s no question about that. None. They love to throw out first and foremost they’re Giants fans. Bullshit. Difference of opinions are what make forums tick. Still “holding out” with proof right in front of them, is totally about being right. Totally.
Apologies if I’m reading this wrong, but are you implying that fans with a different opinion of Jones aren’t real giants fans?
RE: RE: RE: Jones has convinced me that he's deserving of a contract.
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These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
Three things, in my not-so-humble opinion, have made the difference. DJ's comfort with/knowledge of the offense; the addition of Isaiah Hodgins; improved OL play. It took most of the season for the OL to gel and for DJ to develop confidence in the offense. Hodgins' contribution is quite clear.
Fair enough, so you are acknowledging that there was a significant progression from Jones. I agree with you, but then I also understand why people didn't see it and still need to see more. Jones playing at this level is still very new, it's not like he's been this good all season. The offense was very simple for the majority of the year.
Actually, he HAS BEEN good all season. He’s been great of late..
really shows just how bad shurmur and judge were as head coaches
Shurmur was at least an aggressive OC, just a really shitty head coach. Judge... well nothing really good to say about him.
Shurmur wasn’t a great head coach, but his offense wasn’t that bad. Jones also made progress playing for him outside of turnovers which is not uncommon for a rookie. Shurmur’s biggest issue was Bettcher as DC. He was fucking horrible. He made Patrick Graham look like Belichick.
Thats the best support system DJ and the offense had. Shurmur was a decent but not great offensive guy and the receivers were right about average. Still led the league in tight window throws which is sometimes an indictment on the talent and sometimes the passing concepts or both. This year with lesser talent at WR for much of the year the Daboll/Kafka concepts are getting guys open with a bit more frequency.
by the definition it fits - someone who doesn’t want to give someone else credit for something or that they disagree with. There’s a whole lot of people that fit this description.
RE: RE: Jones has convinced me that he's deserving of a contract.
These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
The emergence of a reliable WR, Hodgins, combined with the coaching staff opening up the playbook more. Passing more on first and second downs, has made a difference.
If you look at stats, every QB has a higher comp% on first and 2nd downs vs. 3rd, bc they're much less predictable (to the D) than 3rd down. The Giants weren't passing much on early downs (compared to other teams) earlier in the season.
I think Kafka, Daboll and Jones trust the receivers more now than they did earlier in the season, so the play calling is less conservative and Jones is letting it rip a little more into tight windows that he might've avoided earlier.
Let's not forget the pass pro has become much more consistent as well even though Neal is still struggling a bit.
by the definition it fits - someone who doesn’t want to give someone else credit for something or that they disagree with. There’s a whole lot of people that fit this description.
The “hate” for DJ and for “SB” stems from their conviction they shouldn’t have been drafted that high and they won’t BUDGE off that conviction. They can’t or won’t move beyond that. It’s one thing to not think where they were picked wasn’t the prudent move, it’s another to not move the needle on that conviction no matter how well they perform.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
He could win the next 10 Super Bowls and some of these schmucks will still say he's no good
Here's some fairly relevant advice no one asked for
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
If you look at stats, every QB has a higher comp% on first and 2nd downs vs. 3rd, bc they're much less predictable (to the D) than 3rd down. The Giants weren't passing much on early downs (compared to other teams) earlier in the season.
Let's not forget the pass pro has become much more consistent as well even though Neal is still struggling a bit.
Pass pro has improved, but I think part of that is also the play calling. It's easier to pass protect on first and 2nd down, than it is on obvious passing 3rd downs.
The play calling has been much less predictable the last few games, which helps the OL.
for everyone who's crapping on him for not being able to change his opinion and obsessed with being right (which let's face it, is who most of you guys are referring to when you say "some people just want to be right all the time), consider that Terps was touting Jones earlier than almost everyone and... well, changed his opinion when Jones started playing poorly. Sell me on Daniel Jones - ( New Window )
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
It's all right here: Bucky Brooks - ( New Window )
Certainly this place is a lot less interesting and enjoyable without people like Terps, FMiC, and others.
for everyone who's crapping on him for not being able to change his opinion and obsessed with being right (which let's face it, is who most of you guys are referring to when you say "some people just want to be right all the time), consider that Terps was touting Jones earlier than almost everyone and... well, changed his opinion when Jones started playing poorly. Sell me on Daniel Jones - ( New Window )
Let’s go further to try to make the point: Even if Terps felt that DJ was greater than sliced bread way back when, what he has put many of us through on almost every thread, saying the same fucking thing almost daily for 2-3 years, made this forum unreadable and unenjoyable a bunch of the time.
Even when we wanted to read opinions of posters (pro and con) on a given thread, he was always friggin’ there and even if you tried to scroll past his comments, his bullshit almost always hit your eye on the way passed it..
They are like Gollum.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
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the only ones left are here.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
Ghere’s no question about that. None. They love to throw out first and foremost they’re Giants fans. Bullshit. Difference of opinions are what make forums tick. Still “holding out” with proof right in front of them, is totally about being right. Totally.
Shurmur was at least an aggressive OC, just a really shitty head coach. Judge... well nothing really good to say about him.
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the only ones left are here.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
How sad must they be that being right on an anonymous message board would be that important to them. At least they had a 3 year run where they could pound their chest. Glad most of them left, the board is better with them gone.
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the only ones left are here.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
What a shitty way to live (imo). Must suck to not be able to enjoy watching our QB play well and develop. Imagine next year when he puts up bigger stats and the haters have nothing left to hate about (but they'll prolly carry on).
Very proud of this young man for battling and keeping at it. Hoping for another big day Saturday.
I remember Strahan talking about Eli and how the outside sees the "ah schucks" side but on the field he was a stone cold killer and competitor. Young Daniel showing some of this imv.
That was very funny. Well done.
I can't disagree that Jones looks better than ever the last 2-3 weeks. MAybe it's a combo of Hodgins and the WRs emerging and the OL...but whatever it is, you watch the replay of Sunday's game without the stress component, Jones looks like a super star in that game. I know the D sucks...he still looked like a super star. He runs like Cam Newton and his throws are virtually perfect. His pocket presence was otherworldly. The game REALLY slowed down for Jones on Sunday.
My god imagine he's this good...
I use the "Mute" browser extension to Edge. It suppresses all of Producer's comments so that they never even appear (unless copied by another poster in a comment).
IMO his improvement in pre snap reads, setting protections, moving in the pocket, throwing on the run, post snap reads is off the charts in the last month. I thought the things he struggled with were "intangible" not something that could be taught/coached. Looks like I was totally wrong.
I give credit to Daboll and Kafka for seeing what Jones could do well, who the other 10 guys he's playing with are and designing/running an offense he could win with.
But Daniel Jones gets 100% credit for executing the offense better than I ever imagined. I think the Giants are going to sign him to very big 2nd contract and add better players on offense in the off season. Hopefully he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
DJ feeds off of it.
DJ feeds off of it.
That's just not true, IMO. He's not that type of guy at all. He probably doesn't even pay attention to it.
Let's stay calm...
I love your optimism! Jones has certainly proved me wrong this season, but to say he’s always had elite talent would go against nearly every scouting report of Jones ever written. I’d say his running ability was always elite. Outside of that, I’d be curious to hear what features were always known to be elite.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
Three things, in my not-so-humble opinion, have made the difference. DJ's comfort with/knowledge of the offense; the addition of Isaiah Hodgins; improved OL play. It took most of the season for the OL to gel and for DJ to develop confidence in the offense. Hodgins' contribution is quite clear.
IMO his improvement in pre snap reads, setting protections, moving in the pocket, throwing on the run, post snap reads is off the charts in the last month. I thought the things he struggled with were "intangible" not something that could be taught/coached. Looks like I was totally wrong.
I give credit to Daboll and Kafka for seeing what Jones could do well, who the other 10 guys he's playing with are and designing/running an offense he could win with.
But Daniel Jones gets 100% credit for executing the offense better than I ever imagined. I think the Giants are going to sign him to very big 2nd contract and add better players on offense in the off season. Hopefully he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.
Well said. I feel the same way. Never a "hater," but definitely a "doubter." Very glad to be proven wrong.
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These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
Three things, in my not-so-humble opinion, have made the difference. DJ's comfort with/knowledge of the offense; the addition of Isaiah Hodgins; improved OL play. It took most of the season for the OL to gel and for DJ to develop confidence in the offense. Hodgins' contribution is quite clear.
Fair enough, so you are acknowledging that there was a significant progression from Jones. I agree with you, but then I also understand why people didn't see it and still need to see more. Jones playing at this level is still very new, it's not like he's been this good all season. The offense was very simple for the majority of the year.
DJ feeds off of it.
He's like a Sith. Hate makes him stronger.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
I think the small steps, incremental improvement was there to see. Even under judge, I thought the movement in the pocket and reduction in turnovers was constantly improving. The processing stuff was harder to see. When I watched the all 22 The garrett judge offense was so bad. All the routes broke at the same time. There really was not a progression. Prople saw jones hold the ball or not throw on time and attributed that to whatever they were inclined to attribute that to. But really there was nobody open. Defense sat on our shitty curls and waited. When we did complete passes they were highly contested and tight as a drum. Every throw was tough and there was nothing schemed to be easy. So the accuracy was always impressive to me.
the coaching, play design, and play calling were really terrible. Coupled with how lacking we were in other areas i don't think anyone could have thrived in the situation. Coaching really matters. Also to some degree, what the offense looked like without Jones was very telling. Glenon is not great, but he had proven to be reasonably competent in several other stops. He was completely lost and the O was useless
After that, We all saw flashes. Consistency was mostly the issues. I think parcells said something to the effect if i have seen them do it, I know they can do it. I felt like it was in there.
Lastly, I know it is often downplayed, but the intangibles are top notch. The menatl and physical toughness is elite. The work ethic, coachability, leadership....all that was beyond reproach.
Then there was just a leap of faith.
full disclosure, i am fairly optimistic by nature. I also don't think anything short of mahommes as a qb is a failure.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
I pointed it out 1st game preseason (I think it was the 1st?). Daboll has given Jones the greenlight to scramble. Make a one side of the field read and if things look muddy, just start scrambling without hesitation.
Shurmur only had DJ for his rookie year where he threw 25 TDs to 12 INT. Shurmur did a decent job with DJ but not with the team.
Then the Giants canned Shurmur and brought in Judge.
This is were DJ went down hill with no or horrible QB coaching the next two years. DJ had potential his rookie year that's why we were calling him Danny Dimes but Judge almost ruined him. With Daboll, he coached him up and we now see what DJ can do.
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These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
I think the small steps, incremental improvement was there to see. Even under judge, I thought the movement in the pocket and reduction in turnovers was constantly improving. The processing stuff was harder to see. When I watched the all 22 The garrett judge offense was so bad. All the routes broke at the same time. There really was not a progression. Prople saw jones hold the ball or not throw on time and attributed that to whatever they were inclined to attribute that to. But really there was nobody open. Defense sat on our shitty curls and waited. When we did complete passes they were highly contested and tight as a drum. Every throw was tough and there was nothing schemed to be easy. So the accuracy was always impressive to me.
the coaching, play design, and play calling were really terrible. Coupled with how lacking we were in other areas i don't think anyone could have thrived in the situation. Coaching really matters. Also to some degree, what the offense looked like without Jones was very telling. Glenon is not great, but he had proven to be reasonably competent in several other stops. He was completely lost and the O was useless
After that, We all saw flashes. Consistency was mostly the issues. I think parcells said something to the effect if i have seen them do it, I know they can do it. I felt like it was in there.
Lastly, I know it is often downplayed, but the intangibles are top notch. The menatl and physical toughness is elite. The work ethic, coachability, leadership....all that was beyond reproach.
Then there was just a leap of faith.
full disclosure, i am fairly optimistic by nature. I also don't think anything short of mahommes as a qb is a failure.
Great post. The intangibles are top notch. He's such a great character guy to have lead your team. It's like our Favre to Rodgers, but its Eli to Jones.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
The emergence of a reliable WR, Hodgins, combined with the coaching staff opening up the playbook more. Passing more on first and second downs, has made a difference.
If you look at stats, every QB has a higher comp% on first and 2nd downs vs. 3rd, bc they're much less predictable (to the D) than 3rd down. The Giants weren't passing much on early downs (compared to other teams) earlier in the season.
I think Kafka, Daboll and Jones trust the receivers more now than they did earlier in the season, so the play calling is less conservative and Jones is letting it rip a little more into tight windows that he might've avoided earlier.
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really shows just how bad shurmur and judge were as head coaches
Shurmur was at least an aggressive OC, just a really shitty head coach. Judge... well nothing really good to say about him.
Shurmur wasn’t a great head coach, but his offense wasn’t that bad. Jones also made progress playing for him outside of turnovers which is not uncommon for a rookie. Shurmur’s biggest issue was Bettcher as DC. He was fucking horrible. He made Patrick Graham look like Belichick.
studying Willis rookie year tape
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In comment 16000513 Victor in CT said:
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the only ones left are here.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
Ghere’s no question about that. None. They love to throw out first and foremost they’re Giants fans. Bullshit. Difference of opinions are what make forums tick. Still “holding out” with proof right in front of them, is totally about being right. Totally.
Apologies if I’m reading this wrong, but are you implying that fans with a different opinion of Jones aren’t real giants fans?
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In comment 16000754 Kmed6000 said:
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These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
Three things, in my not-so-humble opinion, have made the difference. DJ's comfort with/knowledge of the offense; the addition of Isaiah Hodgins; improved OL play. It took most of the season for the OL to gel and for DJ to develop confidence in the offense. Hodgins' contribution is quite clear.
Fair enough, so you are acknowledging that there was a significant progression from Jones. I agree with you, but then I also understand why people didn't see it and still need to see more. Jones playing at this level is still very new, it's not like he's been this good all season. The offense was very simple for the majority of the year.
Actually, he HAS BEEN good all season. He’s been great of late..
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really shows just how bad shurmur and judge were as head coaches
Shurmur was at least an aggressive OC, just a really shitty head coach. Judge... well nothing really good to say about him.
Shurmur wasn’t a great head coach, but his offense wasn’t that bad. Jones also made progress playing for him outside of turnovers which is not uncommon for a rookie. Shurmur’s biggest issue was Bettcher as DC. He was fucking horrible. He made Patrick Graham look like Belichick.
Thats the best support system DJ and the offense had. Shurmur was a decent but not great offensive guy and the receivers were right about average. Still led the league in tight window throws which is sometimes an indictment on the talent and sometimes the passing concepts or both. This year with lesser talent at WR for much of the year the Daboll/Kafka concepts are getting guys open with a bit more frequency.
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These past 3 or so games, he's been in complete control. I don't like calling people not sold on Jones "haters" because there is a large portion of fans that just need to see more and it's understandable.
To the Jones lovers who have been defending him for the past 3 years straight, I have a question....how do you explain Jones looking completely different these past few weeks? When fans said he needed to do more, the argument was that his WR's and OL suck. Is it just that they are now good or is it something else? How do you explain this recent surge in his ability?
The emergence of a reliable WR, Hodgins, combined with the coaching staff opening up the playbook more. Passing more on first and second downs, has made a difference.
If you look at stats, every QB has a higher comp% on first and 2nd downs vs. 3rd, bc they're much less predictable (to the D) than 3rd down. The Giants weren't passing much on early downs (compared to other teams) earlier in the season.
I think Kafka, Daboll and Jones trust the receivers more now than they did earlier in the season, so the play calling is less conservative and Jones is letting it rip a little more into tight windows that he might've avoided earlier.
Let's not forget the pass pro has become much more consistent as well even though Neal is still struggling a bit.
The “hate” for DJ and for “SB” stems from their conviction they shouldn’t have been drafted that high and they won’t BUDGE off that conviction. They can’t or won’t move beyond that. It’s one thing to not think where they were picked wasn’t the prudent move, it’s another to not move the needle on that conviction no matter how well they perform.
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really shows just how bad shurmur and judge were as head coaches
Shurmur was at least an aggressive OC, just a really shitty head coach. Judge... well nothing really good to say about him.
Let's not forget to include Jason Garrett in this evaluation either.
Could you imagine what Jason Garrett would be calling with guys like Hodgins and James?? Good God, I shudder to think.
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the only ones left are here.
I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
He could win the next 10 Super Bowls and some of these schmucks will still say he's no good
It's a stressful, aggravating way to live.
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
It's all right here:
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In comment 16000754 Kmed6000 said:
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If you look at stats, every QB has a higher comp% on first and 2nd downs vs. 3rd, bc they're much less predictable (to the D) than 3rd down. The Giants weren't passing much on early downs (compared to other teams) earlier in the season.
Let's not forget the pass pro has become much more consistent as well even though Neal is still struggling a bit.
Pass pro has improved, but I think part of that is also the play calling. It's easier to pass protect on first and 2nd down, than it is on obvious passing 3rd downs.
The play calling has been much less predictable the last few games, which helps the OL.
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Where’s he been?
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
It's all right here: Bucky Brooks - ( New Window )
Certainly this place is a lot less interesting and enjoyable without people like Terps, FMiC, and others.
Let’s go further to try to make the point: Even if Terps felt that DJ was greater than sliced bread way back when, what he has put many of us through on almost every thread, saying the same fucking thing almost daily for 2-3 years, made this forum unreadable and unenjoyable a bunch of the time.
Even when we wanted to read opinions of posters (pro and con) on a given thread, he was always friggin’ there and even if you tried to scroll past his comments, his bullshit almost always hit your eye on the way passed it..
I hope he never returns