I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
That’s absolutely a priority. There are people whose initial reactions to a remarkable season of overachievement are to post call-put threads. That’s when you know you like arguing about the team more than the team itself!
Sure, and that's something the podcast guys were discussing too. Does that really constitute "ranting and raving" that should cause people to take time out of their day to write to a mod because they just can't stomach it?
Absolutely bizarre to me.
RE: Count me as a BBI person who never thought Daniel Jones
could reach this level. Even at mid season I wasn't convinced.
IMO his improvement in pre snap reads, setting protections, moving in the pocket, throwing on the run, post snap reads is off the charts in the last month. I thought the things he struggled with were "intangible" not something that could be taught/coached. Looks like I was totally wrong.
I give credit to Daboll and Kafka for seeing what Jones could do well, who the other 10 guys he's playing with are and designing/running an offense he could win with.
But Daniel Jones gets 100% credit for executing the offense better than I ever imagined. I think the Giants are going to sign him to very big 2nd contract and add better players on offense in the off season. Hopefully he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.
Same, I saw it a few weeks before you, but this last stretch has made me REALLY confident in what I have seen.
That dressing down that Daboll gave him after he threw a careless pick in the endzone sure seemed like a definitive moment that, at the very least, indicated how Daboll was going to coach Jones.
I think the improvement is sustainable and not a hot streak. A lot of things have clicked, partly because the OL and receiving corps have all improved, too.
Sure, and that's something the podcast guys were discussing too. Does that really constitute "ranting and raving" that should cause people to take time out of their day to write to a mod because they just can't stomach it?
Absolutely bizarre to me.
Nope, those people suck. But if it were me I would have handled it with Eric like a big boy. And if it were me I’d actually engage with other posters ideas and drop the act. He used to be a rational poster with good ideas but then he went full tilt on that persona and it ruined a lot of good discussion. Doesn’t mean he should be banned, but it does mean you’ll take a lot of shit.
Is it any coincidence that without him and a few of the awful trolls that plagued the board that threads have been less toxic? Maybe the Giants winning plays a role too but still, not sifting through garbage every day is nice.
Sure, and that's something the podcast guys were discussing too. Does that really constitute "ranting and raving" that should cause people to take time out of their day to write to a mod because they just can't stomach it?
Absolutely bizarre to me.
Is it any coincidence that without him and a few of the awful trolls that plagued the board that threads have been less toxic? Maybe the Giants winning plays a role too but still, not sifting through garbage every day is nice.
I guess it depends on the definition of toxicity or what kind of toxicity annoys you the most, because I still see a lot of the kind that makes me shake my head.
Sure, and that's something the podcast guys were discussing too. Does that really constitute "ranting and raving" that should cause people to take time out of their day to write to a mod because they just can't stomach it?
Absolutely bizarre to me.
Nope, those people suck. But if it were me I would have handled it with Eric like a big boy. And if it were me I’d actually engage with other posters ideas and drop the act. He used to be a rational poster with good ideas but then he went full tilt on that persona and it ruined a lot of good discussion. Doesn’t mean he should be banned, but it does mean you’ll take a lot of shit.
Is it any coincidence that without him and a few of the awful trolls that plagued the board that threads have been less toxic? Maybe the Giants winning plays a role too but still, not sifting through garbage every day is nice.
Agreed, well said. And for the record, he shouldn’t be banned. Torture isn’t a bannable offense
I personally miss the BBI where strong stances like Go Terps's view on Jones were the norm and not the exception.
There was a time on this site where his opinions wouldn't have registered on the radar of stubbornness. Oh well.
As far as Jones -- I think many undersell the personal growth and commitment he's displayed this year. The principals at the team sure didn't think it was a given, this no 5th year option.
I think among the group of sane posters you have BB56 on one end who was confident under Daboll could grow into this guy, and JonC on the other who was skeptical.
...but it would be a shame to replace the haters on BBI with the gloaters...
That’s already happened. And if Jones shits the bed on Saturday, then the haters will be back out. If you don’t believe that, then you haven’t been on BBI long.
...but it would be a shame to replace the haters on BBI with the gloaters...
That’s already happened. And if Jones shits the bed on Saturday, then the haters will be back out. If you don’t believe that, then you haven’t been on BBI long.
You’ve seen gloaters or just thrilled fans who believe they have their franchise guy and can now turn their attention to discussing holes that need to be filled or stitched?
RE: RE: RE: Go Terps has been pretty quiet lately.
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
It's all right here: Bucky Brooks - ( New Window )
Certainly this place is a lot less interesting and enjoyable without people like Terps, FMiC, and others.
I miss those two guys as well, and it's not like I agreed with everything they said.
Every few years people claim this site isn't what it used to be, claim unpopular opinions get shut down, etc. Yet miraculously, people with negative or pessimistic opinions still get to post on this board without repercussions!
I remember people back in the day claiming Mark Sanchez's run in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs outclassed Eli's 2007 run. I've read opinions where Tom Coughlin was judged to be inferior to Jim Fassel, even after a Super Bowl win. People have always had wild opinions. That hasn't changed.
What I will say is this: when you see that someone is posting in a thread about a hot topic like Daniel Jones, and you know exactly what that poster is going to say before you even read it, and that poster says the same thing over and over in multiple threads every day, it can get a bit tiring.
Every few years people claim this site isn't what it used to be, claim unpopular opinions get shut down, etc. Yet miraculously, people with negative or pessimistic opinions still get to post on this board without repercussions!
I remember people back in the day claiming Mark Sanchez's run in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs outclassed Eli's 2007 run. I've read opinions where Tom Coughlin was judged to be inferior to Jim Fassel, even after a Super Bowl win. People have always had wild opinions. That hasn't changed.
What I will say is this: when you see that someone is posting in a thread about a hot topic like Daniel Jones, and you know exactly what that poster is going to say before you even read it, and that poster says the same thing over and over in multiple threads every day, it can get a bit tiring.
I’m sure you are well aware of how strongly I and others believed in DJ, especially when Dabes took over. I gave many reasons why I thought he could be a franchise QB and have a bunch of his flaws corrected with sustained coaching. STILL, even I stopped posting the same damn opinions ad nauseam as I felt there was nothing more to add and there wasn’t. I felt time would tell.
Every few years people claim this site isn't what it used to be, claim unpopular opinions get shut down, etc. Yet miraculously, people with negative or pessimistic opinions still get to post on this board without repercussions!
I remember people back in the day claiming Mark Sanchez's run in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs outclassed Eli's 2007 run. I've read opinions where Tom Coughlin was judged to be inferior to Jim Fassel, even after a Super Bowl win. People have always had wild opinions. That hasn't changed.
What I will say is this: when you see that someone is posting in a thread about a hot topic like Daniel Jones, and you know exactly what that poster is going to say before you even read it, and that poster says the same thing over and over in multiple threads every day, it can get a bit tiring.
I’m sure you are well aware of how strongly I and others believed in DJ, especially when Dabes took over. I gave many reasons why I thought he could be a franchise QB and have a bunch of his flaws corrected with sustained coaching. STILL, even I stopped posting the same damn opinions ad nauseam as I felt there was nothing more to add and there wasn’t. I felt time would tell.
Absolutely. I think we know where (and with who) the extremes lie...
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
It's all right here: Bucky Brooks - ( New Window )
I didn’t know this about Terps but I know there is one mod here who sometimes goes overboard in this type of thing.
Its hard to bet on a quarterback becoming great when he doesn’t necessarily have an elite trait. Truth be told I flipped when the Giants picked him and watched 12-15 Duke games and talked myself into him. Thats certainly not gloating b/c I was off the wagon more than once.
I’m starting to think his elite trait is his toughness/competitiveness which was there at Duke. Playing less than two weeks after breaking his collarbone. I understand why Gettleman liked him, you need a certain make up to play in NY. He has it. He’s quiet but has a tenacity when it comes to his game.
The national media really forgets he had some strong moments his rookie year when he had a competent offensive coach. The 4 TD game against the Lions comes to mind. He was excellent in the red zone that year as well.
The added muscle has strengthened his arm. He has serious zip now.
Its hard to bet on a quarterback becoming great when he doesn’t necessarily have an elite trait. Truth be told I flipped when the Giants picked him and watched 12-15 Duke games and talked myself into him. Thats certainly not gloating b/c I was off the wagon more than once.
I’m starting to think his elite trait is his toughness/competitiveness which was there at Duke. Playing less than two weeks after breaking his collarbone. I understand why Gettleman liked him, you need a certain make up to play in NY. He has it. He’s quiet but has a tenacity when it comes to his game.
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The national media really forgets he had some strong moments his rookie year when he had a competent offensive coach. The 4 TD game against the Lions comes to mind. He was excellent in the red zone that year as well.
The added muscle has strengthened his arm. He has serious zip now.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
Have to admit, sounds dead on. If you were able to fake your handle I would have bought it.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
Have to admit, sounds dead on. If you were able to fake your handle I would have bought it.
Well, when you see it every day, it's not too hard to replicate...
Its hard to bet on a quarterback becoming great when he doesn’t necessarily have an elite trait. Truth be told I flipped when the Giants picked him and watched 12-15 Duke games and talked myself into him. Thats certainly not gloating b/c I was off the wagon more than once.
I’m starting to think his elite trait is his toughness/competitiveness which was there at Duke. Playing less than two weeks after breaking his collarbone. I understand why Gettleman liked him, you need a certain make up to play in NY. He has it. He’s quiet but has a tenacity when it comes to his game.
The national media really forgets he had some strong moments his rookie year when he had a competent offensive coach. The 4 TD game against the Lions comes to mind. He was excellent in the red zone that year as well.
The added muscle has strengthened his arm. He has serious zip now.
IMO his uniqueness is that he runs and throws equally well. Some QBs rely on one or the other, but Jones seems to be truly a dual threat. Maybe his passing is like #12, and his running is like #3 (among QBs), but that is a good combo
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
I think you nailed it. Just need to add some condescension.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
Wow, that was awesome and probably spot on..
But you guys are clearly just bitter that he was right about OBJ at a time when nearly everyone else was defending him.
(I realize that's assigning a motive and position to you but that seems to be fair around here, right?)
I do miss Terps -- the Terps of 10 years ago. He was opinionated and acerbic, but you could engage and debate with him. (And for the record, I was OK with the Giants letting OBJ go, even though I knew it would hurt us in the short term.)
Sometime during our recent run of futility, something snapped (fair enough, those Giants teams would drive anyone nuts), and he became a caricature of himself. Someone no better than a Skip Bayless, to be frank, shouting the same opinions from the rooftops over and over, contributing no forward momentum to any discussions, refusing to look at issues from even a slightly different angle.
So call us obsessed over Terps, if you want. Other posters on this thread miss him and want him back, are they also fixated on him? I do know that I miss the old Terps and wouldn't mind having him back.
He always had elite talent. He’s not doing anything his season that we haven’t seen before. I would actually say that he’s just beginning to scratch the surface, and can be better than players like Allen or Burrow if we’re able to put a strong supporting cast around him.
I love your optimism! Jones has certainly proved me wrong this season, but to say he’s always had elite talent would go against nearly every scouting report of Jones ever written. I’d say his running ability was always elite. Outside of that, I’d be curious to hear what features were always known to be elite.
I think there are four basic QB attributes. In order of importance:
1) Head.- handle the speed and read.
2) Heart. - work hard and play hard
3) Arm. - make all the throws with accuracy and pace
4) Legs. - move in the pocket (most important); make plays by running (more important than it used to be)
To be elite you have to be elite at the first two and at least very good at #3. You can skip running ability as long as you can move in the pocket.
DJ has, by all accounts, always had elite heart. His arm strength has always been good to very good, with excellent accuracy. check and check.
His running ability is elite but there was concern about his pocket movement. Until recently undecided. Looks elite or close to it now.
The only really big question was his "head". Always the hardest to figure out, since we don't know what the coaches are asking for. Watched the Minn game twice. Didn't see a single mental mistake. Made a number of throws off of more than one read or while on the run. Check?
Looks like he could be elite on all 4. The Giants have never had that in the Super Bowl era. And most of this was visible his entire career here.
People don't want to hear this, but he has already had the best first four seasons of any Giants QB in SB era, not counting the playoffs. While nothing short of a SB run will compare to Eli's 4th season playoffs, DJ's game on Sunday may have been the best game by a QB in Giants history. Better than Phil in the SB. Better than Eli in S.F. although very different than both. If you think Eli was elite, than DJ is absolutely looking like he will also be elite. If you think Eli was a top QB but not truly elite, then your definition is narrow enough to exclude DJ.
And this was predictable based on his past performances. Go back and watch last year's games. He played really well and was hampered by bad scheme and bad talent. I am not new to this bandwagon. I wanted to pick up his option and thought the only reason not to is if you thought he was still hurt. While Sunday was better than my expectations, it was not a surprise to see him play that way. And he was pretty clearly the best QB on wild card weekend or at least close.
Eh, I’m a ‘dance with the girl you brought to prom’ kinda guy. I think this current group of BBIers is sufficient to argue with :)
I hear you. BBI is like a bar, sometimes you reflect back on the guys who used to hang out here, and whatever his faults, Terps initiated some good discussions back in the day... but anyway, back to regularly scheduled programming.
I do miss Terps -- the Terps of 10 years ago. He was opinionated and acerbic, but you could engage and debate with him. (And for the record, I was OK with the Giants letting OBJ go, even though I knew it would hurt us in the short term.)
Sometime during our recent run of futility, something snapped (fair enough, those Giants teams would drive anyone nuts), and he became a caricature of himself. Someone no better than a Skip Bayless, to be frank, shouting the same opinions from the rooftops over and over, contributing no forward momentum to any discussions, refusing to look at issues from even a slightly different angle.
So call us obsessed over Terps, if you want. Other posters on this thread miss him and want him back, are they also fixated on him? I do know that I miss the old Terps and wouldn't mind having him back.
The old Terps “died” long ago. He was my favorite poster, or one of..The one I abhor (the online persona, not him as I do not know him personally) became ponderous, unreasonable and repetitive..Not the guy I loved interacting with, whether we disagreed at times or not..
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
It's all right here: Bucky Brooks - ( New Window )
Yes... this was literally the only problem anyone had with Go Terps.
by the definition it fits - someone who doesn’t want to give someone else credit for something or that they disagree with. There’s a whole lot of people that fit this description.
The “hate” for DJ and for “SB” stems from their conviction they shouldn’t have been drafted that high and they won’t BUDGE off that conviction. They can’t or won’t move beyond that. It’s one thing to not think where they were picked wasn’t the prudent move, it’s another to not move the needle on that conviction no matter how well they perform.
I'm getting a bit tired of all the "DJ Haters" bullshit being thrown around lately.
All the people who are accused of being haters are thrilled to death that DJ is playing well. Mind you I'm not one of the "haters", I was sitting on the fence and didn't participate in those DJ wars, so I don't have a particular position to defend. I will admit I didn't like the pick, but felt he showed enough as a rookie that there might be some there there.
Almost every single person derided as a "Hater" has been praising Jones. Almost every single "Hater" has publicly changed their minds on him. Just because they aren't falling over themselves calling him the next coming, like many of the polyannas here, doesn't make them less happy about the progress. It just means that these are all steps. There is still more for Jones to prove. Can he do it against a top notch defense in a pressure game? We will find out in 3 days time. Can he do it next year after DCs have a year of tape on him? It is very legitimate to still have questions about him, but still be delighted with the progress and hopeful that he can continue to grow. Let's face nobody, but nobody saw this kind of growth coming this year.
What I see is a bunch of people who were dug in during all the Gettleman debates, who switched their allegiance to DJ. And no many of them have turned with a vengeance on those who dared to criticize Dave Get<thefuckouttahere>, accusing the critics of being dug in, when they themselves were far more dug in on DG, and far more wrong and even now won't admit it. They are gaslighting people by accusing them of not changing their position when it is really they who have not changed and never really admitted they were wrong. They are trying to use DJ as some sort of wedge to exonerate their awful take on DG. Get over it. DG was awful, terrible, and every other pejorative adjective. Even if he wasn't a disaster at the draft, his drafts were only ok... Not great.
From 2018 - Only Barkley is left, and I still don't think it was a good choice
2019 looks like it will turn out pretty damn good, but still had misses like Baker, but 3 1sts and stting near the top at #6
2020 He picked Thomas who was my first choice as well. McKinney has been good and some quality snaps from Holmes. Also looking like a good draft again sitting near the top at #4
2021 is looking like a bust of draft, KT is gone, Ojulari and most of the rest just can't stay healthy.
So 2 good ones, 2 bad ones. Meh. And he was always at the top of the draft... What makes his drafting worse, is the he had no plan for building a team. It was just random. He waited way to long to start picking OL for example.
So before you start pointing fingers and calling people haters, realize there are three more fingers pointing at yourself.
The reality, there are no Jones haters here. Even Producer praised his performance.
Nobody on this site who is by definition an extremely passionate Giants fan has ever hated Daniel Jones. Many of us doubted that he could ever lead us to a playoff victory. For some, like me, that was as recently as last week. He did it. Good for DJ. He deserves every bit of the praise coming his way now.
And every bit of financial reward. But to whom much is given, much is to be expected. And for the first time in his four years here, the expectations should now be high that DJ can perform at a commensurate level with these expectations. And I can think of no better test for a Giants quarterback than meeting in their building our arch-rival who happens to be the number one seed in the conference with the top passing defense in the league.
The Eagles will no doubt be geared to stop Barkley and will challenge DJ in the same way the Vikings did last week. So here again, DJ will need to rise up and meet the challenge. If he wins this game and performs well, my guess is there will be little debate about DJ going forward.
If he doesn't perform well, I suspect the debate on DJ will be litigated over and over again until he hoists the Lombardi. When he does well, he will be praised. When he does poorly he will be criticized. Why people on this site believe this is a bad thing, I have no idea. But the notion that the critics should remain silent cowering in the corner sucking their thumbs with shame that they ever doubted DJ when he performs poorly is comical silliness.
Ask the Cardinals, Broncos and Browns fans what they think about the contracts given to their quarterbacks these days in relation to their lack of success. I suspect they are screaming with fury more loudly than ever these days...
for everyone who's crapping on him for not being able to change his opinion and obsessed with being right (which let's face it, is who most of you guys are referring to when you say "some people just want to be right all the time), consider that Terps was touting Jones earlier than almost everyone and... well, changed his opinion when Jones started playing poorly. Sell me on Daniel Jones - ( New Window )
Lol, and then he spent the next 3 years absolutely ripping the guy to shreds every single day on the message board.
We even had the owner of this site say “Terps was right” because Terps had done it so many times that he started to convince people that Jones was terrible.
The guy pretends to know stuff about football that other fans don’t, and he single handily was the worst poster on this website before he left. He made things less enjoyable, hijacked every single thread and made it about Jones somehow. He even said once that he really wanted to see what Jake Fromm could do and predicted that it wouldn’t be that much worse than Jones. He literally actually said that. Good riddance.
I took shit for years for defending Gettleman. I eventually got over it and said yeah, he’s bad.
It’s amazing to me that people just cannot accept the fact that they were absolutely dead wrong about Jones. Not only that, but the way you praise him now is so littered with “well he was great but let’s keep it up…” as if to say, I’m keeping this in my back pocket in case he sucks again.
All of you guys embarrassed yourselves over Jones. Stop pretending that you didn’t spend countless hours on this board shitting on him. Time to get over it. It’s fine. Nobody cares anymore - just move along.
Malik Willis can’t literally throw a football and yet Terps said it was embarrassing that the Giants wouldn’t take a chance on someone like him because clearly his upside “on a rookie deal” was so much better than Jones.
The guy was a terrible poster. And then he left, because of how terrible all his predictions ended up being. Couldn’t even face the music, which makes him even worse. Sorry, but true.
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I have come to the conclusion that the possibility really does exist the priority for some it is to be proven right on bbi
Guess I m naive but I really thought Daniel ‘s reaching a level of play they seemed to think would never happen, would have convinced them he s the guy.
That’s absolutely a priority. There are people whose initial reactions to a remarkable season of overachievement are to post call-put threads. That’s when you know you like arguing about the team more than the team itself!
Sure, and that's something the podcast guys were discussing too. Does that really constitute "ranting and raving" that should cause people to take time out of their day to write to a mod because they just can't stomach it?
Absolutely bizarre to me.
IMO his improvement in pre snap reads, setting protections, moving in the pocket, throwing on the run, post snap reads is off the charts in the last month. I thought the things he struggled with were "intangible" not something that could be taught/coached. Looks like I was totally wrong.
I give credit to Daboll and Kafka for seeing what Jones could do well, who the other 10 guys he's playing with are and designing/running an offense he could win with.
But Daniel Jones gets 100% credit for executing the offense better than I ever imagined. I think the Giants are going to sign him to very big 2nd contract and add better players on offense in the off season. Hopefully he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.
Jones beat Cousins straight up in his FIRST playoff game.
"Pay that man his money" says, Teddy KGB
I think the improvement is sustainable and not a hot streak. A lot of things have clicked, partly because the OL and receiving corps have all improved, too.
Next: accurate long range passing.
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Taylor can’t do for $6m”, lol.
Sure, and that's something the podcast guys were discussing too. Does that really constitute "ranting and raving" that should cause people to take time out of their day to write to a mod because they just can't stomach it?
Absolutely bizarre to me.
Nope, those people suck. But if it were me I would have handled it with Eric like a big boy. And if it were me I’d actually engage with other posters ideas and drop the act. He used to be a rational poster with good ideas but then he went full tilt on that persona and it ruined a lot of good discussion. Doesn’t mean he should be banned, but it does mean you’ll take a lot of shit.
Is it any coincidence that without him and a few of the awful trolls that plagued the board that threads have been less toxic? Maybe the Giants winning plays a role too but still, not sifting through garbage every day is nice.
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Taylor can’t do for $6m”, lol.
Sure, and that's something the podcast guys were discussing too. Does that really constitute "ranting and raving" that should cause people to take time out of their day to write to a mod because they just can't stomach it?
Absolutely bizarre to me.
Is it any coincidence that without him and a few of the awful trolls that plagued the board that threads have been less toxic? Maybe the Giants winning plays a role too but still, not sifting through garbage every day is nice.
I guess it depends on the definition of toxicity or what kind of toxicity annoys you the most, because I still see a lot of the kind that makes me shake my head.
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Taylor can’t do for $6m”, lol.
Sure, and that's something the podcast guys were discussing too. Does that really constitute "ranting and raving" that should cause people to take time out of their day to write to a mod because they just can't stomach it?
Absolutely bizarre to me.
Nope, those people suck. But if it were me I would have handled it with Eric like a big boy. And if it were me I’d actually engage with other posters ideas and drop the act. He used to be a rational poster with good ideas but then he went full tilt on that persona and it ruined a lot of good discussion. Doesn’t mean he should be banned, but it does mean you’ll take a lot of shit.
Is it any coincidence that without him and a few of the awful trolls that plagued the board that threads have been less toxic? Maybe the Giants winning plays a role too but still, not sifting through garbage every day is nice.
Agreed, well said. And for the record, he shouldn’t be banned. Torture isn’t a bannable offense
...but it would be a shame to replace the haters on BBI with the gloaters...
...but it would be a shame to replace the haters on BBI with the gloaters...
Haven’t seen much if any gloating at all. Just a lot of happy, relieved and grateful fans
There was a time on this site where his opinions wouldn't have registered on the radar of stubbornness. Oh well.
As far as Jones -- I think many undersell the personal growth and commitment he's displayed this year. The principals at the team sure didn't think it was a given, this no 5th year option.
I think among the group of sane posters you have BB56 on one end who was confident under Daboll could grow into this guy, and JonC on the other who was skeptical.
Both perfectly defendable views going into 2022.
...but it would be a shame to replace the haters on BBI with the gloaters...
That’s already happened. And if Jones shits the bed on Saturday, then the haters will be back out. If you don’t believe that, then you haven’t been on BBI long.
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I have always liked Jones and seen progress...
...but it would be a shame to replace the haters on BBI with the gloaters...
That’s already happened. And if Jones shits the bed on Saturday, then the haters will be back out. If you don’t believe that, then you haven’t been on BBI long.
You’ve seen gloaters or just thrilled fans who believe they have their franchise guy and can now turn their attention to discussing holes that need to be filled or stitched?
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Where’s he been?
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
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Certainly this place is a lot less interesting and enjoyable without people like Terps, FMiC, and others.
I miss those two guys as well, and it's not like I agreed with everything they said.
I remember people back in the day claiming Mark Sanchez's run in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs outclassed Eli's 2007 run. I've read opinions where Tom Coughlin was judged to be inferior to Jim Fassel, even after a Super Bowl win. People have always had wild opinions. That hasn't changed.
What I will say is this: when you see that someone is posting in a thread about a hot topic like Daniel Jones, and you know exactly what that poster is going to say before you even read it, and that poster says the same thing over and over in multiple threads every day, it can get a bit tiring.
I said I thought he had a chance to become top 10 qb down the road.
I remember people back in the day claiming Mark Sanchez's run in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs outclassed Eli's 2007 run. I've read opinions where Tom Coughlin was judged to be inferior to Jim Fassel, even after a Super Bowl win. People have always had wild opinions. That hasn't changed.
What I will say is this: when you see that someone is posting in a thread about a hot topic like Daniel Jones, and you know exactly what that poster is going to say before you even read it, and that poster says the same thing over and over in multiple threads every day, it can get a bit tiring.
I’m sure you are well aware of how strongly I and others believed in DJ, especially when Dabes took over. I gave many reasons why I thought he could be a franchise QB and have a bunch of his flaws corrected with sustained coaching. STILL, even I stopped posting the same damn opinions ad nauseam as I felt there was nothing more to add and there wasn’t. I felt time would tell.
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Every few years people claim this site isn't what it used to be, claim unpopular opinions get shut down, etc. Yet miraculously, people with negative or pessimistic opinions still get to post on this board without repercussions!
I remember people back in the day claiming Mark Sanchez's run in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs outclassed Eli's 2007 run. I've read opinions where Tom Coughlin was judged to be inferior to Jim Fassel, even after a Super Bowl win. People have always had wild opinions. That hasn't changed.
What I will say is this: when you see that someone is posting in a thread about a hot topic like Daniel Jones, and you know exactly what that poster is going to say before you even read it, and that poster says the same thing over and over in multiple threads every day, it can get a bit tiring.
I’m sure you are well aware of how strongly I and others believed in DJ, especially when Dabes took over. I gave many reasons why I thought he could be a franchise QB and have a bunch of his flaws corrected with sustained coaching. STILL, even I stopped posting the same damn opinions ad nauseam as I felt there was nothing more to add and there wasn’t. I felt time would tell.
Absolutely. I think we know where (and with who) the extremes lie...
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Where’s he been?
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
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I didn’t know this about Terps but I know there is one mod here who sometimes goes overboard in this type of thing.
I’m starting to think his elite trait is his toughness/competitiveness which was there at Duke. Playing less than two weeks after breaking his collarbone. I understand why Gettleman liked him, you need a certain make up to play in NY. He has it. He’s quiet but has a tenacity when it comes to his game.
The national media really forgets he had some strong moments his rookie year when he had a competent offensive coach. The 4 TD game against the Lions comes to mind. He was excellent in the red zone that year as well.
The added muscle has strengthened his arm. He has serious zip now.
I’m starting to think his elite trait is his toughness/competitiveness which was there at Duke. Playing less than two weeks after breaking his collarbone. I understand why Gettleman liked him, you need a certain make up to play in NY. He has it. He’s quiet but has a tenacity when it comes to his game.
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The national media really forgets he had some strong moments his rookie year when he had a competent offensive coach. The 4 TD game against the Lions comes to mind. He was excellent in the red zone that year as well.
The added muscle has strengthened his arm. He has serious zip now.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
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Would love his thoughts on this run.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
Wow, that was awesome and probably spot on..
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Would love his thoughts on this run.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
Have to admit, sounds dead on. If you were able to fake your handle I would have bought it.
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Would love his thoughts on this run.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
Have to admit, sounds dead on. If you were able to fake your handle I would have bought it.
Well, when you see it every day, it's not too hard to replicate...
I’m starting to think his elite trait is his toughness/competitiveness which was there at Duke. Playing less than two weeks after breaking his collarbone. I understand why Gettleman liked him, you need a certain make up to play in NY. He has it. He’s quiet but has a tenacity when it comes to his game.
The national media really forgets he had some strong moments his rookie year when he had a competent offensive coach. The 4 TD game against the Lions comes to mind. He was excellent in the red zone that year as well.
The added muscle has strengthened his arm. He has serious zip now.
IMO his uniqueness is that he runs and throws equally well. Some QBs rely on one or the other, but Jones seems to be truly a dual threat. Maybe his passing is like #12, and his running is like #3 (among QBs), but that is a good combo
...but it would be a shame to replace the haters on BBI with the gloaters...
Thought we were all Giants fans.
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Would love his thoughts on this run.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
I think you nailed it. Just need to add some condescension.
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Would love his thoughts on this run.
I'm sure he'd gush over Daboll and staff. He wouldn't mention how he advocated jettisoning the entire roster after 2021 and going full tank for 2022, or that he would take the "under" on re-signing more than 2 of our recent draft picks to second contracts. He would give Jones zero credit for his improvement, calling it "fool's gold." He would grouse about how we're mortgaging the future and extending Jones's "scholarship" based on a fluky playoff run.
See, anyone can write a Terps post!
Wow, that was awesome and probably spot on..
But you guys are clearly just bitter that he was right about OBJ at a time when nearly everyone else was defending him.
(I realize that's assigning a motive and position to you but that seems to be fair around here, right?)
Sometime during our recent run of futility, something snapped (fair enough, those Giants teams would drive anyone nuts), and he became a caricature of himself. Someone no better than a Skip Bayless, to be frank, shouting the same opinions from the rooftops over and over, contributing no forward momentum to any discussions, refusing to look at issues from even a slightly different angle.
So call us obsessed over Terps, if you want. Other posters on this thread miss him and want him back, are they also fixated on him? I do know that I miss the old Terps and wouldn't mind having him back.
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He always had elite talent. He’s not doing anything his season that we haven’t seen before. I would actually say that he’s just beginning to scratch the surface, and can be better than players like Allen or Burrow if we’re able to put a strong supporting cast around him.
I love your optimism! Jones has certainly proved me wrong this season, but to say he’s always had elite talent would go against nearly every scouting report of Jones ever written. I’d say his running ability was always elite. Outside of that, I’d be curious to hear what features were always known to be elite.
I think there are four basic QB attributes. In order of importance:
1) Head.- handle the speed and read.
2) Heart. - work hard and play hard
3) Arm. - make all the throws with accuracy and pace
4) Legs. - move in the pocket (most important); make plays by running (more important than it used to be)
To be elite you have to be elite at the first two and at least very good at #3. You can skip running ability as long as you can move in the pocket.
DJ has, by all accounts, always had elite heart. His arm strength has always been good to very good, with excellent accuracy. check and check.
His running ability is elite but there was concern about his pocket movement. Until recently undecided. Looks elite or close to it now.
The only really big question was his "head". Always the hardest to figure out, since we don't know what the coaches are asking for. Watched the Minn game twice. Didn't see a single mental mistake. Made a number of throws off of more than one read or while on the run. Check?
Looks like he could be elite on all 4. The Giants have never had that in the Super Bowl era. And most of this was visible his entire career here.
People don't want to hear this, but he has already had the best first four seasons of any Giants QB in SB era, not counting the playoffs. While nothing short of a SB run will compare to Eli's 4th season playoffs, DJ's game on Sunday may have been the best game by a QB in Giants history. Better than Phil in the SB. Better than Eli in S.F. although very different than both. If you think Eli was elite, than DJ is absolutely looking like he will also be elite. If you think Eli was a top QB but not truly elite, then your definition is narrow enough to exclude DJ.
And this was predictable based on his past performances. Go back and watch last year's games. He played really well and was hampered by bad scheme and bad talent. I am not new to this bandwagon. I wanted to pick up his option and thought the only reason not to is if you thought he was still hurt. While Sunday was better than my expectations, it was not a surprise to see him play that way. And he was pretty clearly the best QB on wild card weekend or at least close.
I hear you. BBI is like a bar, sometimes you reflect back on the guys who used to hang out here, and whatever his faults, Terps initiated some good discussions back in the day... but anyway, back to regularly scheduled programming.
Sometime during our recent run of futility, something snapped (fair enough, those Giants teams would drive anyone nuts), and he became a caricature of himself. Someone no better than a Skip Bayless, to be frank, shouting the same opinions from the rooftops over and over, contributing no forward momentum to any discussions, refusing to look at issues from even a slightly different angle.
So call us obsessed over Terps, if you want. Other posters on this thread miss him and want him back, are they also fixated on him? I do know that I miss the old Terps and wouldn't mind having him back.
The old Terps “died” long ago. He was my favorite poster, or one of..The one I abhor (the online persona, not him as I do not know him personally) became ponderous, unreasonable and repetitive..Not the guy I loved interacting with, whether we disagreed at times or not..
Diehard — I agree with your observation. I’m guilty of reminiscing of BBIers of years past as well.
Diehard — I agree with your observation. I’m guilty of reminiscing of BBIers of years past as well.
No thanks, one is more than enough..😎
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Where’s he been?
He left. There was a thread about Jones' potential contract situation from back in October, Terps had the temerity to post a podcast about it from the Athletic and say he thought it had good points, and a mod told him he was ranting and raving and people were complaining, and then he was basically like, "screw this" and left.
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Yes... this was literally the only problem anyone had with Go Terps.
He made Eeyore look like an incurable optimist.
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by the definition it fits - someone who doesn’t want to give someone else credit for something or that they disagree with. There’s a whole lot of people that fit this description.
The “hate” for DJ and for “SB” stems from their conviction they shouldn’t have been drafted that high and they won’t BUDGE off that conviction. They can’t or won’t move beyond that. It’s one thing to not think where they were picked wasn’t the prudent move, it’s another to not move the needle on that conviction no matter how well they perform.
I'm getting a bit tired of all the "DJ Haters" bullshit being thrown around lately.
All the people who are accused of being haters are thrilled to death that DJ is playing well. Mind you I'm not one of the "haters", I was sitting on the fence and didn't participate in those DJ wars, so I don't have a particular position to defend. I will admit I didn't like the pick, but felt he showed enough as a rookie that there might be some there there.
Almost every single person derided as a "Hater" has been praising Jones. Almost every single "Hater" has publicly changed their minds on him. Just because they aren't falling over themselves calling him the next coming, like many of the polyannas here, doesn't make them less happy about the progress. It just means that these are all steps. There is still more for Jones to prove. Can he do it against a top notch defense in a pressure game? We will find out in 3 days time. Can he do it next year after DCs have a year of tape on him? It is very legitimate to still have questions about him, but still be delighted with the progress and hopeful that he can continue to grow. Let's face nobody, but nobody saw this kind of growth coming this year.
What I see is a bunch of people who were dug in during all the Gettleman debates, who switched their allegiance to DJ. And no many of them have turned with a vengeance on those who dared to criticize Dave Get<thefuckouttahere>, accusing the critics of being dug in, when they themselves were far more dug in on DG, and far more wrong and even now won't admit it. They are gaslighting people by accusing them of not changing their position when it is really they who have not changed and never really admitted they were wrong. They are trying to use DJ as some sort of wedge to exonerate their awful take on DG. Get over it. DG was awful, terrible, and every other pejorative adjective. Even if he wasn't a disaster at the draft, his drafts were only ok... Not great.
From 2018 - Only Barkley is left, and I still don't think it was a good choice
2019 looks like it will turn out pretty damn good, but still had misses like Baker, but 3 1sts and stting near the top at #6
2020 He picked Thomas who was my first choice as well. McKinney has been good and some quality snaps from Holmes. Also looking like a good draft again sitting near the top at #4
2021 is looking like a bust of draft, KT is gone, Ojulari and most of the rest just can't stay healthy.
So 2 good ones, 2 bad ones. Meh. And he was always at the top of the draft... What makes his drafting worse, is the he had no plan for building a team. It was just random. He waited way to long to start picking OL for example.
So before you start pointing fingers and calling people haters, realize there are three more fingers pointing at yourself.
The reality, there are no Jones haters here. Even Producer praised his performance.
I just got fed up at that point in this thread.
We're winning and seeing good football lately. I don't understand attacking fellow posters. Isn't winning reward enough?
And every bit of financial reward. But to whom much is given, much is to be expected. And for the first time in his four years here, the expectations should now be high that DJ can perform at a commensurate level with these expectations. And I can think of no better test for a Giants quarterback than meeting in their building our arch-rival who happens to be the number one seed in the conference with the top passing defense in the league.
The Eagles will no doubt be geared to stop Barkley and will challenge DJ in the same way the Vikings did last week. So here again, DJ will need to rise up and meet the challenge. If he wins this game and performs well, my guess is there will be little debate about DJ going forward.
If he doesn't perform well, I suspect the debate on DJ will be litigated over and over again until he hoists the Lombardi. When he does well, he will be praised. When he does poorly he will be criticized. Why people on this site believe this is a bad thing, I have no idea. But the notion that the critics should remain silent cowering in the corner sucking their thumbs with shame that they ever doubted DJ when he performs poorly is comical silliness.
Ask the Cardinals, Broncos and Browns fans what they think about the contracts given to their quarterbacks these days in relation to their lack of success. I suspect they are screaming with fury more loudly than ever these days...
Lol, and then he spent the next 3 years absolutely ripping the guy to shreds every single day on the message board.
We even had the owner of this site say “Terps was right” because Terps had done it so many times that he started to convince people that Jones was terrible.
The guy pretends to know stuff about football that other fans don’t, and he single handily was the worst poster on this website before he left. He made things less enjoyable, hijacked every single thread and made it about Jones somehow. He even said once that he really wanted to see what Jake Fromm could do and predicted that it wouldn’t be that much worse than Jones. He literally actually said that. Good riddance.
It’s amazing to me that people just cannot accept the fact that they were absolutely dead wrong about Jones. Not only that, but the way you praise him now is so littered with “well he was great but let’s keep it up…” as if to say, I’m keeping this in my back pocket in case he sucks again.
All of you guys embarrassed yourselves over Jones. Stop pretending that you didn’t spend countless hours on this board shitting on him. Time to get over it. It’s fine. Nobody cares anymore - just move along.
The guy was a terrible poster. And then he left, because of how terrible all his predictions ended up being. Couldn’t even face the music, which makes him even worse. Sorry, but true.