And yes, Gettleman should be “viewed better” because of these draft picks developing. To say otherwise is so disingenuous that you’re not actually viewing things rationally.
I’ve said a million times that Gettleman could identify talent actually pretty well. He was just awful at everything else unfortunately.
Whoops...
You just couldn't do it....
You couldn't stick with Gettleman Sucks...
Say it with me - Gettleman SUCKED, NO IFS, ANDS, or BUTS!
There were plenty of posters who were rooting for losses throughout the Jones tenure so that Jones would not be viewed as the QB and so the Giants could take another QB. And actually - as recently as THIS YEAR we had posters rooting for losses so that Schoen wouldn’t think that Jones was good if they somehow started winning, because that would be false hope.
Those posters are no longer here, because they don’t like the fact that the Giants are winning with Jones. Because they still think that ultimately it’s not the right decision to have him as the quarterback.
These things are not opinion, they are actual things that people posted.
Name these people.
And if Terps is one of them, I have had enough conversations with him to know that he is thrilled.
There were plenty of posters who were rooting for losses throughout the Jones tenure so that Jones would not be viewed as the QB and so the Giants could take another QB. And actually - as recently as THIS YEAR we had posters rooting for losses so that Schoen wouldn’t think that Jones was good if they somehow started winning, because that would be false hope.
Those posters are no longer here, because they don’t like the fact that the Giants are winning with Jones. Because they still think that ultimately it’s not the right decision to have him as the quarterback.
These things are not opinion, they are actual things that people posted.
Bullshit. To say people wanted to be right about Jones and wanted a new QB is one thing. Everyone on this site (except for NINEster and maybe a few others) are Giants fans. No one is rooting for the Giants to lose hoping we will get a new QB.
In comment 16001579 .McL. said:
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Who are you talking to?
Do you think there is a single Giants fan on this site that is unhappy that DJ led our beloved team to a Playoff Victory?
Do you think there is a single Giants fan on this site want DJ to fail miserably, and have the Giants mired in the swamp for more years to come?
Are you 100% positive DJ is a finished product and ready to challenge the entire league as one of th top, absolutely elite QBs in this league?
Is there still room for growth with DJ?
Has he proven everything that needs to be proven?
Has he defeated raging top 3 defense?
Has it done it multiple seasons? Can he?
Are you so sure you are willing to put your life on the line for it?
I thought not...
Look. Everybody here, and I mean EVERYBODY HERE, is thrilled that DJ looks like a keeper. But he still has more to prove. Getting the Giants to the playoffs, maybe the divisional round, may be his ceiling. I certainly hope not, but it may be. You cannot discount that possibility. There are some that are aware enough, and not blinded by homerism, to realize there there is more to prove. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
It's crazy, I see these debates about how much to pay the guy, and I see the so called DJ Haters putting out the same numbers, sometimes even higher than the so called DJ supporters, and they are still accused of being a hater.
Some fans are just more rational about the path forward. They are still happy and enjoying the ride and rooting for the kid. [/quote]
I just don’t believe that we have been reading the same threads over the past few years. No, I don’t believe that EVERYBODY HERE thinks that DJ is a keeper. It doesn’t mean that they are rooting for him to fail, but they certainly don’t want him as our future QB.
It’s funny, I’ve watched the haters twist and turn cherry-picked stats to show over and over and over how DJ will NEVER be even a productive QB. “A pretty good backup QB” was his ceiling we were told. Making every thread absolutely miserable for years. Quick question - where was your soapbox lectures then about being rational fans? But your specific questions are dripping with doubt, even now, so I have a pretty good idea what why those lectures never happened. So spare me with your grandstanding now.
I believe that there are plenty of fans that enjoy the wins despite having DJ as our QB. They will relish in and take the rewards but NEVER admit they were wrong. Or that they “could” be wrong about him. Clearly there is more to prove. More to grow. But the arrow is pointing up - and all you do is question everything.
“Some fans are just more rational about the path forward.“ - This we can agree on. And this would be the many fans that supported DJ while understanding that improvements needed to be made. But saw something in the young QB that was worth going through the growing pains. Those rational fans. Not the haters that pegged him as a bust from day one and screamed it from the mountaintop every day. Having faith in DJ isn’t “homerism” and those fans all understood that there were/are areas to improve. The fact that is still your argument tells me that you aren’t listening.
But I’m glad that you can still enjoy the game given all of your uncertainty about our QB that has done nothing but carry the team the entire season.
NYG07, wrong, try again. Actual posts from actual posters here, citing reasons for wanting a QB/rebuild/better pick, etc, were actively rooting for the Giants to lose games and be terrible.
NYG07, wrong, try again. Actual posts from actual posters here, citing reasons for wanting a QB/rebuild/better pick, etc, were actively rooting for the Giants to lose games and be terrible.
Can you show me a post? There is no chance that at 5-1, people were like fuck this, fuck the playoffs. I hate Daniel Jones. I hope we lose out so we can get a new QB.
Can I show you a post? No, I can’t. Don’t really feel like spending the time honestly. Don’t need to do that to appease you just to prove something that every poster here knows is true.
NYG07, wrong, try again. Actual posts from actual posters here, citing reasons for wanting a QB/rebuild/better pick, etc, were actively rooting for the Giants to lose games and be terrible.
are people really denying that they weren't people who were more invested in seeing Jones fail than to see the team win?
You can go back to last year and early this season were there were posts saying "I can't wait until Jones and Barkley are gone". What other possible meaning can that have??
Please stop gaslighting everyone acting like Jones wasn't called a career backup, never good at any level, as good as gone when his option wasn't picked up and the rest of horseshit flung at him for three seasons.
It happened - to say otherwise is trying to just minimize the moronic takes.
NYG07, wrong, try again. Actual posts from actual posters here, citing reasons for wanting a QB/rebuild/better pick, etc, were actively rooting for the Giants to lose games and be terrible.
More fiction from BBI's permanent pledge.
That didn't happen.
Lol. Ok dude. Fuck right off. We had posters rooting for the Giants to lose games so they’d get higher picks ever since 2020, starting with the Chase Young thing. Which, wow, wouldn’t you know it, they were wrong about that too.
Posters literally have said, let’s not delay the inevitable here, if we go on a little run and win some games, then Schoen might thing Jones is actually good, and then well maybe Schoen isn’t actually who we all thought because he clearly can’t think for himself.
Mara will meddle if Jones starts to play well and that will be terrible.
“Mirage” of winning pointless games will only lead to the team kicking the fan down the road again another year.
Terps literally said, and I quote, “if Schoen is stupid enough to think that this team can win with Jones, well then he’s not the guy for the job that we all thought he is.” And some posters agreed with that.
I am not denying that any of those things were said. That doesn't mean that Giants fans were actively rooting for the team to lose because they wanted the team to move on from those players. You are taking, "I can't wait until Jones and Barkley are gone" as "I hope the Giants lose"? Wanting them to be gone because there was no evidence the team could win anything of significance with them is different from hoping they lose.
It is not true. Everyone here is excited we are in the playoffs and have a chance to go to the Superbowl.
It really isn't something that should be up for debate. There have been many posters saying Jones would never be good, had never been good and we won't be good until he's gone.
It is fucking crazy that it's trying to be argued those discussions didn't take place. It's what caused me and several others to stop posting with regularity!!
Terps literally said, and I quote, “if Schoen is stupid enough to think that this team can win with Jones, well then he’s not the guy for the job that we all thought he is.” And some posters agreed with that.
Direct quote.
A direct quote that does not prove your point. This doesn't mean that Terps was actively rooting for the Giants to lose so Jones wouldn't be here next year. As someone said above who has talked to him, Terps is excited that the Giants are where they are.
are people really denying that they weren't people who were more invested in seeing Jones fail than to see the team win?
You can go back to last year and early this season were there were posts saying "I can't wait until Jones and Barkley are gone". What other possible meaning can that have??
Please stop gaslighting everyone acting like Jones wasn't called a career backup, never good at any level, as good as gone when his option wasn't picked up and the rest of horseshit flung at him for three seasons.
It happened - to say otherwise is trying to just minimize the moronic takes.
Fatman, we have a history. Let's not let that get in our way here...
Sure, there were people who after seeing not nearly enough from DJ that felt that he was not the future.
Certainly there were people who wanted to move on sooner rather than later.
Let's be clear, I was never one of those. I read the debates, but didn't participate because I was a fence sitter, and I personally hate when fence sitters jump into the fray for no good purpose, so I stayed out.
That said, there were some who wanted Jones and Barkley gone at time when they had not proven anything. FOR YEARS.
They wanted to move on. To be fair, what Jones is doing in highly unusual in this era of football. QBs with performances like his for 3 year are thrown onto the scrap heap. Witness Mayfield, Darnold, and dozens of thers over the past decade. It is unusual for a 4th year quarterback to have the light go on like DJ did. Hell, not only doesn;t the light go on, the switch is disconnected and they have no more chances. Now I get there there have been mitigating cricumstances. As I said, I saw some flashes, and we had bad OL, bad receivers, and bad coaching all as mitigating factors. That is why I sat on the fence.
If we are all intellectually honest about it, from the outside looking in, the odds did not favor a Jones revival. I think it is hardly a stretch to feel that it was time to move on. I wanted to give him one more shot, but I could certainly understand running out of patience and giving up on him.
However to take that and project that those people will be unhappy now is the gaslighting. I will say it again we are all Giant fans here. Having our favorite team win is worth more than any BS internet food fight.
Terps isn't here to say that he is happy. But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones. What else is there to say.
Theere is a group here that just wants a sick sort of revenge. They want anybody who doubted DJ, who doubt DG to be miserable that the Giants are winning. They seriously want that for people. I find that to be petty and an unworthy way of trating fellow Giant fans. Fellow fans who wanted nothing more than for the team to be winning. Just had a different opinion about how to get there.
Lets enjoy the ride. Lets celebrate together. There is plenty to debate with having to try to ruin the joy for other people, people who have been miserable with the state of this team for a decade. It's why we lose good posters. They just decide that the shit isn't worth it, they would rather just enjoy being a fan in private.
Its a sad case of being desperate to prove that they are somehow better at the cost of others. They want to take the fun and joy out this for everybody else. Not only sad, but immature.
Let me tell you all again. With a few exceptions of fans of other teams, there isn't a poster here now, that is unhappy the giants are winning. I will also guarantee you that Terp is happy right now.
Terps literally said, and I quote, “if Schoen is stupid enough to think that this team can win with Jones, well then he’s not the guy for the job that we all thought he is.” And some posters agreed with that.
Direct quote.
And so what, their opinion was wrong.
Do you want your Applebees giftcard in the mail or digital?
When this team wins nfc east titles and a super bowl with about 12 or so of his players. And those 12 all flirting in the elite player category. You know who they all are.
We just need to let some more time elapse. Give it 2-3 years. His players are finally starting to take off, albeit 1-2 years later than we had hoped. Coaching is king.
If you want proof that DJ is used as a proxy for the DG debates, here it is.
All those 100s of DJ threads, were really about DG.
They were wrong about DG and can't/won't admit it, and gaslight everybody else using DJ, when everybody is praising him and saying pay the man. They won't accept these people saying ok, I was wrong about DJ, because that doesn't satisfy their need to be right about DG. So no praise for DJ will ever be good enough until they can claim vicotry in the great DG debates.
djm, we can send you and Applebees giftcard as well.
But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
are people really denying that they weren't people who were more invested in seeing Jones fail than to see the team win?
You can go back to last year and early this season were there were posts saying "I can't wait until Jones and Barkley are gone". What other possible meaning can that have??
Please stop gaslighting everyone acting like Jones wasn't called a career backup, never good at any level, as good as gone when his option wasn't picked up and the rest of horseshit flung at him for three seasons.
It happened - to say otherwise is trying to just minimize the moronic takes.
Are we pretending today that you can discern people's "actual" intent, other than what they have specifically expressed, on an anonymous message board? Are we to think you are some kind of mind-reader? Quit bullying people and acting like you are the best Giants fan. I'm as good a Giants fan as you, probably better, and I've been one longer. Get off your high horse.
But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
I understand the logic of moving forward with Jones. I'm not convinced he's the guy, after 3 very strong games, great games. The playoff win was exceptional. I'd like to see him play at that level with more consistency.
But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
Yeah, um, Producer’s comments just now contradict what you just said. So I highly doubt that those posters said those words.
But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
I understand the logic of moving forward with Jones. I'm not convinced he's the guy, after 3 very strong games, great games. The playoff win was exceptional. I'd like to see him play at that level with more consistency.
No doubt. Jones has more to prove. There is still room for growth, there is still a possibility of failure.
I would not bet my life on him being a success.
I think, and maybe I'm wrong, people have decided that he is worth giving another 3 years. A 3, 4, or 5 year deal, that has an out after 3. That seems to be constant across the board, the only question is what the amount should be.
Jones just had a phenomenal year, statistically ...
...It is not 1985. 15 passing touchdowns (22 total) is not statistically phenomenal. Jones had a good year. He has been great in his last three games. Lets hope he keeps it up and keeps improving.
But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
Yeah, um, Producer’s comments just now contradict what you just said. So I highly doubt that those posters said those words.
I'm just clarifying my thoughts. It's possible .McL misconstrued something I wrote. I am very positive about his recent play. I have doubts but he's been fantastic and if he were to give performances like this on a frequent basis, it would change my mind.
Hanging around the grill by the backyard pool telling everyone his opinion so forcefully that people roll their eyes and look for their chance to exit. The light boor. The lack of humility makes the person just an awful conversationalist. They don't see it and don't think much of those who slip away, perhaps because they're paying themselves in the back for being so right, perhaps because they never noticed the crowd dispersing away from them.
BBI is a community of fans discussing topics just like that backyard party. We don't screen everyone here. You better believe some of those guys make their way over here. Having been an active participant in this site for over twenty years I can tell you that many great Giants fans have wandered away because the quality of discussion has been reduced to conversations dominated by a few of those guys.
These are not fun discussions for most people, but I'll admit some people absolutely live for this kind of back and forth.
I've said more than I care to in the topic, so I'll end with this:
Don't be that guy.
On another topic and in answer to an earlier question, I think the Giants have a shot this weekend. I think Philly deserves to be favored and probably will win, but I have rationalized why this could be a close game and I'm going this is the case.
Either way, win or lose, I'm going to be an anxious wreck all the way to the final whistle.
But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
Yeah, um, Producer’s comments just now contradict what you just said. So I highly doubt that those posters said those words.
Perhaps I am wrong about Producer, I thought I saw him suggesting contract for Jones.
Others have.
Quote:
One: 3 yrs, $35-38M per, around $70M guaranteed; 4 yrs & more $ if he beats Eagles
2nd: 2yr, $21-23M per yr bridge deal
3rd: Deals like Kyler Murray’s ($46.1M per, $160M g’d) make it hard to keep price down
...
christian : 1/18/2023 11:00 am : link : reply
I'm confused. Did the ex-GMs come up with those options?
- He is clearly talking about 1 and 3.
If so, I have a feeling I know why at least 2 are ex-GMs.
Right now, it's probably #1 ballpark
JonC : 1/18/2023 11:07 am : link : reply
Recent performance, a playoff win, and Murray's contract will all push Jones' value higher.
Patterson
ajr2456 : 1/18/2023 11:09 am : link : reply
Agreed, what ever happens Saturday won’t lower the price. There is only upside.
After the last three wins
JonC : 1/18/2023 11:11 am : link : reply
and Jones' performance, I don't see how you put the toothpaste back in the tube with his agent and try to secure a bridge deal. That ship has very likely sailed.
It's no secret...
bw in dc : 1/18/2023 11:16 am : link : reply
I have been very critical of Jones's play, but if I put my business cap on, there is NFW that Team Jones should sign a multi-year deal that is < $35M AAV. They know they have that already in the non-EFT.
The guy looks like he's morphing into one of the top dual threats QBs in the league. That running ability is plus-plus right now.
So, from a pure business standpoint, I wouldn't sign a contract unless it's an AAV of $40M and $100-$150M guaranteed. In other words, I can't see a bridge deal here...
RE: It's no secret...
ajr2456 : 1/18/2023 11:19 am : link : reply
That’s why I think it ends up at 3 years, $70 million guaranteed. Basically guarantees two tag years, and if this is the Jones we see next year they’re ripping that third year up and signing a a deal that keeps him a Giant until he’s in his mid 30s.
RE: RE: I think people forgot that
allstarjim : 1/18/2023 12:10 pm : link : reply
This would have been an unthinkable discussion for me 6 weeks or so ago, but if you go the exclusive rights franchise tag, we're talking about a 1-year deal in the neighborhood of $45 million, right?
<snipped>
All-in-all, DJ's recent play has elevated what his cost will be, which will likely effect the approach to Saquon.
RE: RE: RE: ...
chick310 : 1/18/2023 2:02 pm : link : reply
No, we hope the Giants win and Jones is one of the reasons why.
<snipped>
those are all quotes just from 1 thread today.
There have been others where GD, TTH and Produce have praised Jones.
Hanging around the grill by the backyard pool telling everyone his opinion so forcefully that people roll their eyes and look for their chance to exit. The light boor. The lack of humility makes the person just an awful conversationalist. They don't see it and don't think much of those who slip away, perhaps because they're paying themselves in the back for being so right, perhaps because they never noticed the crowd dispersing away from them.
BBI is a community of fans discussing topics just like that backyard party. We don't screen everyone here. You better believe some of those guys make their way over here. Having been an active participant in this site for over twenty years I can tell you that many great Giants fans have wandered away because the quality of discussion has been reduced to conversations dominated by a few of those guys.
These are not fun discussions for most people, but I'll admit some people absolutely live for this kind of back and forth.
I've said more than I care to in the topic, so I'll end with this:
Don't be that guy.
On another topic and in answer to an earlier question, I think the Giants have a shot this weekend. I think Philly deserves to be favored and probably will win, but I have rationalized why this could be a close game and I'm going this is the case.
Either way, win or lose, I'm going to be an anxious wreck all the way to the final whistle.
Enjoy the game fellas!
Question is, based on what you wrote, are YOU that guy?
But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
Yeah, um, Producer’s comments just now contradict what you just said. So I highly doubt that those posters said those words.
Perhaps I am wrong about Producer, I thought I saw him suggesting contract for Jones.
Others have.
Quote:
One: 3 yrs, $35-38M per, around $70M guaranteed; 4 yrs & more $ if he beats Eagles
2nd: 2yr, $21-23M per yr bridge deal
3rd: Deals like Kyler Murray’s ($46.1M per, $160M g’d) make it hard to keep price down
...
christian : 1/18/2023 11:00 am : link : reply
I'm confused. Did the ex-GMs come up with those options?
- He is clearly talking about 1 and 3.
If so, I have a feeling I know why at least 2 are ex-GMs.
Right now, it's probably #1 ballpark
JonC : 1/18/2023 11:07 am : link : reply
Recent performance, a playoff win, and Murray's contract will all push Jones' value higher.
Patterson
ajr2456 : 1/18/2023 11:09 am : link : reply
Agreed, what ever happens Saturday won’t lower the price. There is only upside.
After the last three wins
JonC : 1/18/2023 11:11 am : link : reply
and Jones' performance, I don't see how you put the toothpaste back in the tube with his agent and try to secure a bridge deal. That ship has very likely sailed.
It's no secret...
bw in dc : 1/18/2023 11:16 am : link : reply
I have been very critical of Jones's play, but if I put my business cap on, there is NFW that Team Jones should sign a multi-year deal that is < $35M AAV. They know they have that already in the non-EFT.
The guy looks like he's morphing into one of the top dual threats QBs in the league. That running ability is plus-plus right now.
So, from a pure business standpoint, I wouldn't sign a contract unless it's an AAV of $40M and $100-$150M guaranteed. In other words, I can't see a bridge deal here...
RE: It's no secret...
ajr2456 : 1/18/2023 11:19 am : link : reply
That’s why I think it ends up at 3 years, $70 million guaranteed. Basically guarantees two tag years, and if this is the Jones we see next year they’re ripping that third year up and signing a a deal that keeps him a Giant until he’s in his mid 30s.
RE: RE: I think people forgot that
allstarjim : 1/18/2023 12:10 pm : link : reply
This would have been an unthinkable discussion for me 6 weeks or so ago, but if you go the exclusive rights franchise tag, we're talking about a 1-year deal in the neighborhood of $45 million, right?
<snipped>
All-in-all, DJ's recent play has elevated what his cost will be, which will likely effect the approach to Saquon.
RE: RE: RE: ...
chick310 : 1/18/2023 2:02 pm : link : reply
No, we hope the Giants win and Jones is one of the reasons why.
<snipped>
those are all quotes just from 1 thread today.
There have been others where GD, TTH and Produce have praised Jones.
He's getting a contract. What I think is immaterial. If I was in charge, yes I would likely give him a deal at this juncture.
Hanging around the grill by the backyard pool telling everyone his opinion so forcefully that people roll their eyes and look for their chance to exit. The light boor. The lack of humility makes the person just an awful conversationalist. They don't see it and don't think much of those who slip away, perhaps because they're paying themselves in the back for being so right, perhaps because they never noticed the crowd dispersing away from them.
BBI is a community of fans discussing topics just like that backyard party. We don't screen everyone here. You better believe some of those guys make their way over here. Having been an active participant in this site for over twenty years I can tell you that many great Giants fans have wandered away because the quality of discussion has been reduced to conversations dominated by a few of those guys.
These are not fun discussions for most people, but I'll admit some people absolutely live for this kind of back and forth.
I've said more than I care to in the topic, so I'll end with this:
Don't be that guy.
On another topic and in answer to an earlier question, I think the Giants have a shot this weekend. I think Philly deserves to be favored and probably will win, but I have rationalized why this could be a close game and I'm going this is the case.
Either way, win or lose, I'm going to be an anxious wreck all the way to the final whistle.
Enjoy the game fellas!
Question is, based on what you wrote, are YOU that guy?
I'certainly surprised and happy about Jones' transformation and what it means for the Giants going forward.
I am, however, very surprised that so many think this means the Jones debate is over. On the contrary, I think this means the Jones debate is just getting started.
There's no doubt in my mind Jones will get a contract >35 million AAV. From next year forward it will be on Jones to live up to that value every single game. To me, for now, there's no reason to assume he can't, but neither there's reason to assume he will.
It will still be an ongoing evaluation and like the Cardinals experience with Murray, the Raiders experience with Carr, the Browns experience with Watson, the Bronco's excperience with Wilson (and I could go on forever), it's not a foregone conclusion that Jones will live up to such a contract and the Giants will not live to regret it.
Like I said, as a Giants fan I very much hope he will. As a football fan I know there's no guarantee he will.
Look forward to a big game from Jones and I hope his team gives him enough opportunity to have a big impact.
Not only will they need a great coaching effort and performance from Jones they will need the OL to compete favorably. If this does not happen I think we see some of the same issues again that they did during the season slide. 1-5-1 in division. The LOS issue continued but at least for this one we have Williams back and hopefully a continued healthy Thomas.
I would expect some will consider all the circumstances that played out in the game and post accordingly. Others probably not but that is a smaller group. That group is creative and persistent in making its point however short sighted. Just have to look close enough to see the underlying intent. Just like most of the Jones discussion threads.
Some of you guessed right, and I guessed wrong. I wanted the Giants to move on from Jones, because I didn’t think he had it in him to compete for a championship. That clearly proved to be incorrect.
If some of you need a formal apology, post your details. I’m sure we can come up with something to make you feel better.
Some of you guessed right, and I guessed wrong. I wanted the Giants to move on from Jones, because I didn’t think he had it in him to compete for a championship. That clearly proved to be incorrect.
If some of you need a formal apology, post your details. I’m sure we can come up with something to make you feel better.
If I “want” anything, it’s a simple acknowledgement that opinions are not absolutes or facts (revisionists deny having done that)..MANY, not just some, stated their disdain for DJ as just that..
Certain posters here were on EVERY FUCKING JONES THREAD BASHING HIM For YEARS, along with DG. Non-stop nonsense.
Some of you act like, so they had an opinion and they were wrong. NO. They were annoying as FUCK and were Relentless with their BS OPINION. Stating an opinion is fine. NON STOP over the top nonsense over and over again is complete HORSESHIT and those posters should be roasted. They acted like they were some sort of expert and had to correct every other poster on how wrong they were on Jones. Please stop defending those annoying as fuck posters.
That said, DJ is certainly NOT a top 5 QB in this league. He has a long way and a lot to prove before that conversation. Extreme, over the top, threads are so annoying.
I’ve said a million times that Gettleman could identify talent actually pretty well. He was just awful at everything else unfortunately.
Whoops...
You just couldn't do it....
You couldn't stick with Gettleman Sucks...
Say it with me - Gettleman SUCKED, NO IFS, ANDS, or BUTS!
Those posters are no longer here, because they don’t like the fact that the Giants are winning with Jones. Because they still think that ultimately it’s not the right decision to have him as the quarterback.
These things are not opinion, they are actual things that people posted.
Name these people.
And if Terps is one of them, I have had enough conversations with him to know that he is thrilled.
Again, I am calling BS. You're projecting.
Those posters are no longer here, because they don’t like the fact that the Giants are winning with Jones. Because they still think that ultimately it’s not the right decision to have him as the quarterback.
These things are not opinion, they are actual things that people posted.
Bullshit. To say people wanted to be right about Jones and wanted a new QB is one thing. Everyone on this site (except for NINEster and maybe a few others) are Giants fans. No one is rooting for the Giants to lose hoping we will get a new QB.
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Cooper, if you go ahead and send me the list of BBIers who won the Daniel Jones debate, I’ll send them their Applebee’s gift cards.
Where did I mention anything about “winning the Daniel Jones debate”? Not sure what your point is.
For all those sufferers, who haven’t gotten a sufficient apology from Jones critics, I just want to make sure they get a little something.
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Who are you talking to?
Do you think there is a single Giants fan on this site that is unhappy that DJ led our beloved team to a Playoff Victory?
Do you think there is a single Giants fan on this site want DJ to fail miserably, and have the Giants mired in the swamp for more years to come?
Are you 100% positive DJ is a finished product and ready to challenge the entire league as one of th top, absolutely elite QBs in this league?
Is there still room for growth with DJ?
Has he proven everything that needs to be proven?
Has he defeated raging top 3 defense?
Has it done it multiple seasons? Can he?
Are you so sure you are willing to put your life on the line for it?
I thought not...
Look. Everybody here, and I mean EVERYBODY HERE, is thrilled that DJ looks like a keeper. But he still has more to prove. Getting the Giants to the playoffs, maybe the divisional round, may be his ceiling. I certainly hope not, but it may be. You cannot discount that possibility. There are some that are aware enough, and not blinded by homerism, to realize there there is more to prove. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
It's crazy, I see these debates about how much to pay the guy, and I see the so called DJ Haters putting out the same numbers, sometimes even higher than the so called DJ supporters, and they are still accused of being a hater.
Some fans are just more rational about the path forward. They are still happy and enjoying the ride and rooting for the kid. [/quote]
I just don’t believe that we have been reading the same threads over the past few years. No, I don’t believe that EVERYBODY HERE thinks that DJ is a keeper. It doesn’t mean that they are rooting for him to fail, but they certainly don’t want him as our future QB.
It’s funny, I’ve watched the haters twist and turn cherry-picked stats to show over and over and over how DJ will NEVER be even a productive QB. “A pretty good backup QB” was his ceiling we were told. Making every thread absolutely miserable for years. Quick question - where was your soapbox lectures then about being rational fans? But your specific questions are dripping with doubt, even now, so I have a pretty good idea what why those lectures never happened. So spare me with your grandstanding now.
I believe that there are plenty of fans that enjoy the wins despite having DJ as our QB. They will relish in and take the rewards but NEVER admit they were wrong. Or that they “could” be wrong about him. Clearly there is more to prove. More to grow. But the arrow is pointing up - and all you do is question everything.
“Some fans are just more rational about the path forward.“ - This we can agree on. And this would be the many fans that supported DJ while understanding that improvements needed to be made. But saw something in the young QB that was worth going through the growing pains. Those rational fans. Not the haters that pegged him as a bust from day one and screamed it from the mountaintop every day. Having faith in DJ isn’t “homerism” and those fans all understood that there were/are areas to improve. The fact that is still your argument tells me that you aren’t listening.
But I’m glad that you can still enjoy the game given all of your uncertainty about our QB that has done nothing but carry the team the entire season.
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Cooper, if you go ahead and send me the list of BBIers who won the Daniel Jones debate, I’ll send them their Applebee’s gift cards.
Where did I mention anything about “winning the Daniel Jones debate”? Not sure what your point is.
For all those sufferers, who haven’t gotten a sufficient apology from Jones critics, I just want to make sure they get a little something.
Ahhh, that’s cute. Please let me know where you perform. I bet your show is hilarious.
Can you show me a post? There is no chance that at 5-1, people were like fuck this, fuck the playoffs. I hate Daniel Jones. I hope we lose out so we can get a new QB.
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Cooper, if you go ahead and send me the list of BBIers who won the Daniel Jones debate, I’ll send them their Applebee’s gift cards.
Where did I mention anything about “winning the Daniel Jones debate”? Not sure what your point is.
For all those sufferers, who haven’t gotten a sufficient apology from Jones critics, I just want to make sure they get a little something.
Haha...nice.
Lol. Is this actually happening right now?
More fiction from BBI's permanent pledge.
That didn't happen.
You can go back to last year and early this season were there were posts saying "I can't wait until Jones and Barkley are gone". What other possible meaning can that have??
Please stop gaslighting everyone acting like Jones wasn't called a career backup, never good at any level, as good as gone when his option wasn't picked up and the rest of horseshit flung at him for three seasons.
It happened - to say otherwise is trying to just minimize the moronic takes.
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NYG07, wrong, try again. Actual posts from actual posters here, citing reasons for wanting a QB/rebuild/better pick, etc, were actively rooting for the Giants to lose games and be terrible.
More fiction from BBI's permanent pledge.
That didn't happen.
Lol. Ok dude. Fuck right off. We had posters rooting for the Giants to lose games so they’d get higher picks ever since 2020, starting with the Chase Young thing. Which, wow, wouldn’t you know it, they were wrong about that too.
Posters literally have said, let’s not delay the inevitable here, if we go on a little run and win some games, then Schoen might thing Jones is actually good, and then well maybe Schoen isn’t actually who we all thought because he clearly can’t think for himself.
Mara will meddle if Jones starts to play well and that will be terrible.
“Mirage” of winning pointless games will only lead to the team kicking the fan down the road again another year.
This all happened. Stop saying it didn’t.
Direct quote.
These people are delusional
These people will just evaporate
These people will just evaporate
Guess I can’t help himself. I’m fired up about this team!
It is not true. Everyone here is excited we are in the playoffs and have a chance to go to the Superbowl.
These people are delusional
I just don't get it.
It really isn't something that should be up for debate. There have been many posters saying Jones would never be good, had never been good and we won't be good until he's gone.
It is fucking crazy that it's trying to be argued those discussions didn't take place. It's what caused me and several others to stop posting with regularity!!
Direct quote.
A direct quote that does not prove your point. This doesn't mean that Terps was actively rooting for the Giants to lose so Jones wouldn't be here next year. As someone said above who has talked to him, Terps is excited that the Giants are where they are.
So again... hyperbole. Stop being dramatic.
You can go back to last year and early this season were there were posts saying "I can't wait until Jones and Barkley are gone". What other possible meaning can that have??
Please stop gaslighting everyone acting like Jones wasn't called a career backup, never good at any level, as good as gone when his option wasn't picked up and the rest of horseshit flung at him for three seasons.
It happened - to say otherwise is trying to just minimize the moronic takes.
Fatman, we have a history. Let's not let that get in our way here...
Sure, there were people who after seeing not nearly enough from DJ that felt that he was not the future.
Certainly there were people who wanted to move on sooner rather than later.
Let's be clear, I was never one of those. I read the debates, but didn't participate because I was a fence sitter, and I personally hate when fence sitters jump into the fray for no good purpose, so I stayed out.
That said, there were some who wanted Jones and Barkley gone at time when they had not proven anything. FOR YEARS.
They wanted to move on. To be fair, what Jones is doing in highly unusual in this era of football. QBs with performances like his for 3 year are thrown onto the scrap heap. Witness Mayfield, Darnold, and dozens of thers over the past decade. It is unusual for a 4th year quarterback to have the light go on like DJ did. Hell, not only doesn;t the light go on, the switch is disconnected and they have no more chances. Now I get there there have been mitigating cricumstances. As I said, I saw some flashes, and we had bad OL, bad receivers, and bad coaching all as mitigating factors. That is why I sat on the fence.
If we are all intellectually honest about it, from the outside looking in, the odds did not favor a Jones revival. I think it is hardly a stretch to feel that it was time to move on. I wanted to give him one more shot, but I could certainly understand running out of patience and giving up on him.
However to take that and project that those people will be unhappy now is the gaslighting. I will say it again we are all Giant fans here. Having our favorite team win is worth more than any BS internet food fight.
Terps isn't here to say that he is happy. But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones. What else is there to say.
Theere is a group here that just wants a sick sort of revenge. They want anybody who doubted DJ, who doubt DG to be miserable that the Giants are winning. They seriously want that for people. I find that to be petty and an unworthy way of trating fellow Giant fans. Fellow fans who wanted nothing more than for the team to be winning. Just had a different opinion about how to get there.
Lets enjoy the ride. Lets celebrate together. There is plenty to debate with having to try to ruin the joy for other people, people who have been miserable with the state of this team for a decade. It's why we lose good posters. They just decide that the shit isn't worth it, they would rather just enjoy being a fan in private.
Its a sad case of being desperate to prove that they are somehow better at the cost of others. They want to take the fun and joy out this for everybody else. Not only sad, but immature.
Let me tell you all again. With a few exceptions of fans of other teams, there isn't a poster here now, that is unhappy the giants are winning. I will also guarantee you that Terp is happy right now.
Direct quote.
And so what, their opinion was wrong.
Do you want your Applebees giftcard in the mail or digital?
We just need to let some more time elapse. Give it 2-3 years. His players are finally starting to take off, albeit 1-2 years later than we had hoped. Coaching is king.
If you want proof that DJ is used as a proxy for the DG debates, here it is.
All those 100s of DJ threads, were really about DG.
They were wrong about DG and can't/won't admit it, and gaslight everybody else using DJ, when everybody is praising him and saying pay the man. They won't accept these people saying ok, I was wrong about DJ, because that doesn't satisfy their need to be right about DG. So no praise for DJ will ever be good enough until they can claim vicotry in the great DG debates.
djm, we can send you and Applebees giftcard as well.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
You can go back to last year and early this season were there were posts saying "I can't wait until Jones and Barkley are gone". What other possible meaning can that have??
Please stop gaslighting everyone acting like Jones wasn't called a career backup, never good at any level, as good as gone when his option wasn't picked up and the rest of horseshit flung at him for three seasons.
It happened - to say otherwise is trying to just minimize the moronic takes.
Are we pretending today that you can discern people's "actual" intent, other than what they have specifically expressed, on an anonymous message board? Are we to think you are some kind of mind-reader? Quit bullying people and acting like you are the best Giants fan. I'm as good a Giants fan as you, probably better, and I've been one longer. Get off your high horse.
And I say this respectfully.
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But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
I understand the logic of moving forward with Jones. I'm not convinced he's the guy, after 3 very strong games, great games. The playoff win was exceptional. I'd like to see him play at that level with more consistency.
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But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
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But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
Yeah, um, Producer’s comments just now contradict what you just said. So I highly doubt that those posters said those words.
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But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
I understand the logic of moving forward with Jones. I'm not convinced he's the guy, after 3 very strong games, great games. The playoff win was exceptional. I'd like to see him play at that level with more consistency.
No doubt. Jones has more to prove. There is still room for growth, there is still a possibility of failure.
I would not bet my life on him being a success.
I think, and maybe I'm wrong, people have decided that he is worth giving another 3 years. A 3, 4, or 5 year deal, that has an out after 3. That seems to be constant across the board, the only question is what the amount should be.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lowest-interception-percentage-2022-season#:~:text=Daniel%20Jones%20has%20averaged%20the,season%2C%20with%201.0%20per%20hundred.
Eighth best TD/Int ratio in the NFL - 3.0
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=best+touchdown%2F+interception+ratio+from+a+qb+2022
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lowest-interception-percentage-2022-season#:~:text=Daniel%20Jones%20has%20averaged%20the,season%2C%20with%201.0%20per%20hundred.
Eighth best TD/Int ratio in the NFL - 3.0
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=best+touchdown%2F+interception+ratio+from+a+qb+2022
...It is not 1985. 15 passing touchdowns (22 total) is not statistically phenomenal. Jones had a good year. He has been great in his last three games. Lets hope he keeps it up and keeps improving.
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In comment 16001653 .McL. said:
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But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
Yeah, um, Producer’s comments just now contradict what you just said. So I highly doubt that those posters said those words.
I'm just clarifying my thoughts. It's possible .McL misconstrued something I wrote. I am very positive about his recent play. I have doubts but he's been fantastic and if he were to give performances like this on a frequent basis, it would change my mind.
BBI is a community of fans discussing topics just like that backyard party. We don't screen everyone here. You better believe some of those guys make their way over here. Having been an active participant in this site for over twenty years I can tell you that many great Giants fans have wandered away because the quality of discussion has been reduced to conversations dominated by a few of those guys.
These are not fun discussions for most people, but I'll admit some people absolutely live for this kind of back and forth.
I've said more than I care to in the topic, so I'll end with this:
Don't be that guy.
On another topic and in answer to an earlier question, I think the Giants have a shot this weekend. I think Philly deserves to be favored and probably will win, but I have rationalized why this could be a close game and I'm going this is the case.
Either way, win or lose, I'm going to be an anxious wreck all the way to the final whistle.
Enjoy the game fellas!
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In comment 16001653 .McL. said:
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But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
Yeah, um, Producer’s comments just now contradict what you just said. So I highly doubt that those posters said those words.
Perhaps I am wrong about Producer, I thought I saw him suggesting contract for Jones.
Others have.
One: 3 yrs, $35-38M per, around $70M guaranteed; 4 yrs & more $ if he beats Eagles
2nd: 2yr, $21-23M per yr bridge deal
3rd: Deals like Kyler Murray’s ($46.1M per, $160M g’d) make it hard to keep price down
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christian : 1/18/2023 11:00 am : link : reply
I'm confused. Did the ex-GMs come up with those options?
- He is clearly talking about 1 and 3.
If so, I have a feeling I know why at least 2 are ex-GMs.
Right now, it's probably #1 ballpark
JonC : 1/18/2023 11:07 am : link : reply
Recent performance, a playoff win, and Murray's contract will all push Jones' value higher.
Patterson
ajr2456 : 1/18/2023 11:09 am : link : reply
Agreed, what ever happens Saturday won’t lower the price. There is only upside.
After the last three wins
JonC : 1/18/2023 11:11 am : link : reply
and Jones' performance, I don't see how you put the toothpaste back in the tube with his agent and try to secure a bridge deal. That ship has very likely sailed.
It's no secret...
bw in dc : 1/18/2023 11:16 am : link : reply
I have been very critical of Jones's play, but if I put my business cap on, there is NFW that Team Jones should sign a multi-year deal that is < $35M AAV. They know they have that already in the non-EFT.
The guy looks like he's morphing into one of the top dual threats QBs in the league. That running ability is plus-plus right now.
So, from a pure business standpoint, I wouldn't sign a contract unless it's an AAV of $40M and $100-$150M guaranteed. In other words, I can't see a bridge deal here...
RE: It's no secret...
ajr2456 : 1/18/2023 11:19 am : link : reply
That’s why I think it ends up at 3 years, $70 million guaranteed. Basically guarantees two tag years, and if this is the Jones we see next year they’re ripping that third year up and signing a a deal that keeps him a Giant until he’s in his mid 30s.
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allstarjim : 1/18/2023 12:10 pm : link : reply
This would have been an unthinkable discussion for me 6 weeks or so ago, but if you go the exclusive rights franchise tag, we're talking about a 1-year deal in the neighborhood of $45 million, right?
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All-in-all, DJ's recent play has elevated what his cost will be, which will likely effect the approach to Saquon.
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chick310 : 1/18/2023 2:02 pm : link : reply
No, we hope the Giants win and Jones is one of the reasons why.
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those are all quotes just from 1 thread today.
There have been others where GD, TTH and Produce have praised Jones.
I'm confused. Did the ex-GMs come up with those options?
If so, I have a feeling I know why at least 2 are ex-GMs.
When christian said this he is referring to 2 and 3...
I have seen nothing but praise from all quarters.
BBI is a community of fans discussing topics just like that backyard party. We don't screen everyone here. You better believe some of those guys make their way over here. Having been an active participant in this site for over twenty years I can tell you that many great Giants fans have wandered away because the quality of discussion has been reduced to conversations dominated by a few of those guys.
These are not fun discussions for most people, but I'll admit some people absolutely live for this kind of back and forth.
I've said more than I care to in the topic, so I'll end with this:
Don't be that guy.
On another topic and in answer to an earlier question, I think the Giants have a shot this weekend. I think Philly deserves to be favored and probably will win, but I have rationalized why this could be a close game and I'm going this is the case.
Either way, win or lose, I'm going to be an anxious wreck all the way to the final whistle.
Enjoy the game fellas!
Question is, based on what you wrote, are YOU that guy?
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But GD, TTH, christian, bw, Producer, ajr, and a crapload of others are here. THey have admitted they were wrong. They admitted they want to move forward with Jones.
Did this actually happen? Serious question. Since you are speaking for them, were those words actually written by them?
Yes indeed. I have seen all of the project what they think a contract going forward should look like.
Many have said they have changed their minds about him. But those statements are ignored, and ripped with sarcastic responses and dredging up past opinions.
Look at the recent threads discussing his contract.
Yeah, um, Producer’s comments just now contradict what you just said. So I highly doubt that those posters said those words.
Perhaps I am wrong about Producer, I thought I saw him suggesting contract for Jones.
Others have.
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One: 3 yrs, $35-38M per, around $70M guaranteed; 4 yrs & more $ if he beats Eagles
2nd: 2yr, $21-23M per yr bridge deal
3rd: Deals like Kyler Murray’s ($46.1M per, $160M g’d) make it hard to keep price down
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christian : 1/18/2023 11:00 am : link : reply
I'm confused. Did the ex-GMs come up with those options?
- He is clearly talking about 1 and 3.
If so, I have a feeling I know why at least 2 are ex-GMs.
Right now, it's probably #1 ballpark
JonC : 1/18/2023 11:07 am : link : reply
Recent performance, a playoff win, and Murray's contract will all push Jones' value higher.
Patterson
ajr2456 : 1/18/2023 11:09 am : link : reply
Agreed, what ever happens Saturday won’t lower the price. There is only upside.
After the last three wins
JonC : 1/18/2023 11:11 am : link : reply
and Jones' performance, I don't see how you put the toothpaste back in the tube with his agent and try to secure a bridge deal. That ship has very likely sailed.
It's no secret...
bw in dc : 1/18/2023 11:16 am : link : reply
I have been very critical of Jones's play, but if I put my business cap on, there is NFW that Team Jones should sign a multi-year deal that is < $35M AAV. They know they have that already in the non-EFT.
The guy looks like he's morphing into one of the top dual threats QBs in the league. That running ability is plus-plus right now.
So, from a pure business standpoint, I wouldn't sign a contract unless it's an AAV of $40M and $100-$150M guaranteed. In other words, I can't see a bridge deal here...
RE: It's no secret...
ajr2456 : 1/18/2023 11:19 am : link : reply
That’s why I think it ends up at 3 years, $70 million guaranteed. Basically guarantees two tag years, and if this is the Jones we see next year they’re ripping that third year up and signing a a deal that keeps him a Giant until he’s in his mid 30s.
RE: RE: I think people forgot that
allstarjim : 1/18/2023 12:10 pm : link : reply
This would have been an unthinkable discussion for me 6 weeks or so ago, but if you go the exclusive rights franchise tag, we're talking about a 1-year deal in the neighborhood of $45 million, right?
<snipped>
All-in-all, DJ's recent play has elevated what his cost will be, which will likely effect the approach to Saquon.
RE: RE: RE: ...
chick310 : 1/18/2023 2:02 pm : link : reply
No, we hope the Giants win and Jones is one of the reasons why.
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those are all quotes just from 1 thread today.
There have been others where GD, TTH and Produce have praised Jones.
He's getting a contract. What I think is immaterial. If I was in charge, yes I would likely give him a deal at this juncture.
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Hanging around the grill by the backyard pool telling everyone his opinion so forcefully that people roll their eyes and look for their chance to exit. The light boor. The lack of humility makes the person just an awful conversationalist. They don't see it and don't think much of those who slip away, perhaps because they're paying themselves in the back for being so right, perhaps because they never noticed the crowd dispersing away from them.
BBI is a community of fans discussing topics just like that backyard party. We don't screen everyone here. You better believe some of those guys make their way over here. Having been an active participant in this site for over twenty years I can tell you that many great Giants fans have wandered away because the quality of discussion has been reduced to conversations dominated by a few of those guys.
These are not fun discussions for most people, but I'll admit some people absolutely live for this kind of back and forth.
I've said more than I care to in the topic, so I'll end with this:
Don't be that guy.
On another topic and in answer to an earlier question, I think the Giants have a shot this weekend. I think Philly deserves to be favored and probably will win, but I have rationalized why this could be a close game and I'm going this is the case.
Either way, win or lose, I'm going to be an anxious wreck all the way to the final whistle.
Enjoy the game fellas!
Question is, based on what you wrote, are YOU that guy?
You beat me to it.... That was my first thought.
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I am, however, very surprised that so many think this means the Jones debate is over. On the contrary, I think this means the Jones debate is just getting started.
There's no doubt in my mind Jones will get a contract >35 million AAV. From next year forward it will be on Jones to live up to that value every single game. To me, for now, there's no reason to assume he can't, but neither there's reason to assume he will.
It will still be an ongoing evaluation and like the Cardinals experience with Murray, the Raiders experience with Carr, the Browns experience with Watson, the Bronco's excperience with Wilson (and I could go on forever), it's not a foregone conclusion that Jones will live up to such a contract and the Giants will not live to regret it.
Like I said, as a Giants fan I very much hope he will. As a football fan I know there's no guarantee he will.
Not only will they need a great coaching effort and performance from Jones they will need the OL to compete favorably. If this does not happen I think we see some of the same issues again that they did during the season slide. 1-5-1 in division. The LOS issue continued but at least for this one we have Williams back and hopefully a continued healthy Thomas.
I would expect some will consider all the circumstances that played out in the game and post accordingly. Others probably not but that is a smaller group. That group is creative and persistent in making its point however short sighted. Just have to look close enough to see the underlying intent. Just like most of the Jones discussion threads.
If some of you need a formal apology, post your details. I’m sure we can come up with something to make you feel better.
If some of you need a formal apology, post your details. I’m sure we can come up with something to make you feel better.
If I “want” anything, it’s a simple acknowledgement that opinions are not absolutes or facts (revisionists deny having done that)..MANY, not just some, stated their disdain for DJ as just that..
Some of you act like, so they had an opinion and they were wrong. NO. They were annoying as FUCK and were Relentless with their BS OPINION. Stating an opinion is fine. NON STOP over the top nonsense over and over again is complete HORSESHIT and those posters should be roasted. They acted like they were some sort of expert and had to correct every other poster on how wrong they were on Jones. Please stop defending those annoying as fuck posters.
That said, DJ is certainly NOT a top 5 QB in this league. He has a long way and a lot to prove before that conversation. Extreme, over the top, threads are so annoying.