Big part of being the QB of the giants is to have thick skin and never let anything bother you. Jones has that. He could have packed it in with the way things were going. Decided to step up his game and leadership in a huge way and look where we are. Let's fucking beat Philly.
you are basically saying that the pressure of succeeding Eli didn't get to him. But I'm not sure that is the best point. The body of work on his first 3 seasons was extremely disappointing. I'm not sure you can at all say he handled that succession pressure well.
You can certainly say he didn't have the right environment to handle it, but handling the pressure would mean playing much better than he did.
His body of work has been part him and part the team around him including coaches. You can debate which was greater and I stayed neutral because I felt those situation was terrible around him.
He has shown he can handle pressure because he has the internal makeup to overcome obstacles it until it got better around him as did his play. This on top of the pressure of following a legend.
I don't see money changing this other than what I stated from a team perspective.
Just because you did not achieve a desired result does not mean you could not handle pressure. There are many other factors to this outside the pressure component from both a individual and team perspective imv.
but Daniel Jones has some eli in him. I don't think he's phased by these outside pressures. He just seems so cool, calm, collected and professional. It's not a concern of mine, that's for sure.
I can buy some of that. The comparisons, however, between Eli and DJ in terms of how they play QB are what I find absurd. They are two completely different QBs.
But, but...Eli has been under pressure since he decided to play football at Isidore Newman HS following in the footsteps of Peyton and Cooper. And then he had the balls to go to Ole Miss where his father was a football legend. And then he went #1 in the draft, after he, Archie, and Condon manipulated the draft, and took on even more pressure...
So, Eli was under national scrutiny for over half his life and handled it with great poise.
Poised as you?
I always think Jones looks very stressed on the field.
to overcome than reading and hearing how much you suck on a daily basis, and for years on end. I think Jones can handle whatever’s thrown at him.
Conversely, look at Darnold. Same situation, same pressure, but had more tools coming in. Didn’t matter, he folded like a lawn chair in NY and then again with Carolina.
RE: I always think Jones looks very stressed on the field.
to overcome than reading and hearing how much you suck on a daily basis, and for years on end. I think Jones can handle whatever’s thrown at him.
Conversely, look at Darnold. Same situation, same pressure, but had more tools coming in. Didn’t matter, he folded like a lawn chair in NY and then again with Carolina.
Or maybe the NFL misread Darnolds tools. There is a ton of projecting going from college to the NFL and teams are often wrong. That doesnt mean one guy handles pressure better than the other, although that certainly could be a part of it.
This is one of those things where I just think you are again being too optimistic to state with any kind of assurance that a person that has spent a good deal of time in their NFL career looking overwhelmed is immune from that going forward.
I agree with you. I do wonder if he relaxes somewhat and gets more comfortable in the Daboll offense, he will start to process more naturally.
That construction of this offense has given Jones more easy throws this year than the three prior seasons combined. The misdirection, rolls, play action, etc have created a lot of straight forward throws inside ten yards for Jones. I think christian posted a stat recently - and I verified it on NextGen - that Jones was last in the league in average intended air yards. Which means he's throwing a lot of high % passes intended to make his job less complicated.
And to his credit, he's executed.
RE: RE: There aren’t many things harder for an athlete
to overcome than reading and hearing how much you suck on a daily basis, and for years on end. I think Jones can handle whatever’s thrown at him.
Conversely, look at Darnold. Same situation, same pressure, but had more tools coming in. Didn’t matter, he folded like a lawn chair in NY and then again with Carolina.
Or maybe the NFL misread Darnolds tools. There is a ton of projecting going from college to the NFL and teams are often wrong. That doesnt mean one guy handles pressure better than the other, although that certainly could be a part of it.
Which tools were misread, honest question? Your arm is your arm, your speed is your speed, mechanics are your mechanics. Most of the rest is between the ears, of which handling pressure is at the top of the list. Game pressure, outside noise, etc.
Darn old has all the tools to be successful in the NFL, it’s why he was drafted high and netted two seconds. But he’s routinely showed he can’t handle the pressure.
the last few years but has not looked that way at all to me this season.
2019-2021 doesn't apply anymore. Call me crazy. It doesn't matter. HE was a young player on a terrible team with terrible coaching. Where Jones is now as a player and team is a lifetime removed from 2021.
RE: RE: RE: There aren’t many things harder for an athlete
to overcome than reading and hearing how much you suck on a daily basis, and for years on end. I think Jones can handle whatever’s thrown at him.
Conversely, look at Darnold. Same situation, same pressure, but had more tools coming in. Didn’t matter, he folded like a lawn chair in NY and then again with Carolina.
Or maybe the NFL misread Darnolds tools. There is a ton of projecting going from college to the NFL and teams are often wrong. That doesnt mean one guy handles pressure better than the other, although that certainly could be a part of it.
Which tools were misread, honest question? Your arm is your arm, your speed is your speed, mechanics are your mechanics. Most of the rest is between the ears, of which handling pressure is at the top of the list. Game pressure, outside noise, etc.
Darn old has all the tools to be successful in the NFL, it’s why he was drafted high and netted two seconds. But he’s routinely showed he can’t handle the pressure.
The most important tool which is impossible to gauge....between the ears. The ability to process a much faster, much more complex game. Physical tools are easy to spot, that's why the guys that are 6'5" 220 lbs with strong arms are taken early.
You can certainly say he didn't have the right environment to handle it, but handling the pressure would mean playing much better than he did.
His body of work has been part him and part the team around him including coaches. You can debate which was greater and I stayed neutral because I felt those situation was terrible around him.
He has shown he can handle pressure because he has the internal makeup to overcome obstacles it until it got better around him as did his play. This on top of the pressure of following a legend.
I don't see money changing this other than what I stated from a team perspective.
Just because you did not achieve a desired result does not mean you could not handle pressure. There are many other factors to this outside the pressure component from both a individual and team perspective imv.
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but Daniel Jones has some eli in him. I don't think he's phased by these outside pressures. He just seems so cool, calm, collected and professional. It's not a concern of mine, that's for sure.
I can buy some of that. The comparisons, however, between Eli and DJ in terms of how they play QB are what I find absurd. They are two completely different QBs.
But, but...Eli has been under pressure since he decided to play football at Isidore Newman HS following in the footsteps of Peyton and Cooper. And then he had the balls to go to Ole Miss where his father was a football legend. And then he went #1 in the draft, after he, Archie, and Condon manipulated the draft, and took on even more pressure...
So, Eli was under national scrutiny for over half his life and handled it with great poise.
Poised as you?
Conversely, look at Darnold. Same situation, same pressure, but had more tools coming in. Didn’t matter, he folded like a lawn chair in NY and then again with Carolina.
I actually think he's looked less stressed this year, especially the last month.
But the prior three years? Jones looked like he was getting ready to get off a Higgins boat on Omaha Beach...
Conversely, look at Darnold. Same situation, same pressure, but had more tools coming in. Didn’t matter, he folded like a lawn chair in NY and then again with Carolina.
Or maybe the NFL misread Darnolds tools. There is a ton of projecting going from college to the NFL and teams are often wrong. That doesnt mean one guy handles pressure better than the other, although that certainly could be a part of it.
This is one of those things where I just think you are again being too optimistic to state with any kind of assurance that a person that has spent a good deal of time in their NFL career looking overwhelmed is immune from that going forward.
That construction of this offense has given Jones more easy throws this year than the three prior seasons combined. The misdirection, rolls, play action, etc have created a lot of straight forward throws inside ten yards for Jones. I think christian posted a stat recently - and I verified it on NextGen - that Jones was last in the league in average intended air yards. Which means he's throwing a lot of high % passes intended to make his job less complicated.
And to his credit, he's executed.
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to overcome than reading and hearing how much you suck on a daily basis, and for years on end. I think Jones can handle whatever’s thrown at him.
Conversely, look at Darnold. Same situation, same pressure, but had more tools coming in. Didn’t matter, he folded like a lawn chair in NY and then again with Carolina.
Or maybe the NFL misread Darnolds tools. There is a ton of projecting going from college to the NFL and teams are often wrong. That doesnt mean one guy handles pressure better than the other, although that certainly could be a part of it.
Which tools were misread, honest question? Your arm is your arm, your speed is your speed, mechanics are your mechanics. Most of the rest is between the ears, of which handling pressure is at the top of the list. Game pressure, outside noise, etc.
Darn old has all the tools to be successful in the NFL, it’s why he was drafted high and netted two seconds. But he’s routinely showed he can’t handle the pressure.
Its what Daboll said he would be evaluation Jones under before the season.
Making decisions and executing under duress.
2019-2021 doesn't apply anymore. Call me crazy. It doesn't matter. HE was a young player on a terrible team with terrible coaching. Where Jones is now as a player and team is a lifetime removed from 2021.
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to overcome than reading and hearing how much you suck on a daily basis, and for years on end. I think Jones can handle whatever’s thrown at him.
Conversely, look at Darnold. Same situation, same pressure, but had more tools coming in. Didn’t matter, he folded like a lawn chair in NY and then again with Carolina.
Or maybe the NFL misread Darnolds tools. There is a ton of projecting going from college to the NFL and teams are often wrong. That doesnt mean one guy handles pressure better than the other, although that certainly could be a part of it.
Which tools were misread, honest question? Your arm is your arm, your speed is your speed, mechanics are your mechanics. Most of the rest is between the ears, of which handling pressure is at the top of the list. Game pressure, outside noise, etc.
Darn old has all the tools to be successful in the NFL, it’s why he was drafted high and netted two seconds. But he’s routinely showed he can’t handle the pressure.
The most important tool which is impossible to gauge....between the ears. The ability to process a much faster, much more complex game. Physical tools are easy to spot, that's why the guys that are 6'5" 220 lbs with strong arms are taken early.