From the eyeball test, even though he doesn't throw too many deep balls - likely because no one is a deep threat other than Slayton and he hasn't been effective realliy there, but ont he intermediate throws, he's thrown some bullets in recent weeks.
HHas anyone noticed an uptick in his arm strength?
They say in high school he didn't have a strong arm... Some people care about that.
They said Duke you didn't have a strong arm and some people care about that too.
But if you look at the analytics Daniel Jones has the strongest arm in the history of football.
$50 million a year.
He is certainly no Mahomes or Allen, but that throw to the toe tapping Hodgins was impressive, rolling to his left... Mostly arm and wrist.
It caught my eye. It was more than I what I expected from him.
Still, I am not categorizing him as an Elite arm by an stretch.
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I've never been fond of his release and his longer throwing motion, but the ball he is throwing seems to be tighter spirals.
Jones is very good throwing the ball into the middle of the field with accuracy, btw. That's his best trait as a thrower.
The interview with Mayock, unprovoked he brought up how he noticed how much Jones had developed physically, as the last time he had seen him was back at the senior bowl when he was with the Raiders. He said he looked a little more like Josh Allen now, thicker.
He also looks a little more bursty on his runs, thought that as well..he is exploding up the field.
Herbert
Stafford (when healthy)
Rodgers
Nah, Herbert can throw the ball a mile too.
I always thought the DJ arm strength thing was never actually "a thing". He's not the strongest arm by any means but he can get plenty of juice on the ball, enough for what he needs to do. And enough to win.
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Jones has gotten stronger, but nothing about his arm strength screams special.
He is certainly no Mahomes or Allen, but that throw to the toe tapping Hodgins was impressive, rolling to his left... Mostly arm and wrist.
It caught my eye. It was more than I what I expected from him.
Still, I am not categorizing him as an Elite arm by an stretch.
It was one of his best throws of the season combined with a superb catch by Hodgins. Jones has also improved dramatically throwing on the run. It might be his single biggest gain. And improved somewhat, his touch. He's not Burrow level touch, but noticeably better.
At that level, it's not arm strength. It's arm talent.
And that includes Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers, Stafford. I might even include Kyler Murray.
I like Murray’s arm more than Herbert’s actually, not the tallest guy but the ball does jump out of his hand.
I like Murray’s arm more than Herbert’s actually, not the tallest guy but the ball does jump out of his hand.
No. Herbert is at worst #2 to Allen and arguably #1. Some Herbert throws are mind boggling, little flings that go 40+ yards and barely go 15 feet above ground.
I like Murray’s arm more than Herbert’s actually, not the tallest guy but the ball does jump out of his hand.
Good question. IMV:
+ Quick release
+ Accuracy and distance when you can't step into the throw
+ Being able to throw effectively with different arm angles
+ Being able to throw with zip and accuracy scrambling to either side
+ Being able to apply zip and touch
+ Having the arm strength to throw receivers open by fitting the ball into tight windows
I like Murray’s arm more than Herbert’s actually, not the tallest guy but the ball does jump out of his hand.
I see it as velocity, I think Herbert is up there with Allen and Mahomes. Just my dopey opinion but I see those guys as top 3 in velocity. But I agree with you on Murray that dude can sling the ball with plenty of velocity. Figure at that level it's really splitting hairs too... lol. Older guy like Rodgers can still throw the ball pretty damn hard too lol
He has improved dramatically in all 4 this year under Daboll and Kafka. I also believe he can still improve more under their tutelage next year.
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Exactly which arm talents are we talking about.
I like Murray’s arm more than Herbert’s actually, not the tallest guy but the ball does jump out of his hand.
No. Herbert is at worst #2 to Allen and arguably #1. Some Herbert throws are mind boggling, little flings that go 40+ yards and barely go 15 feet above ground.
LOL! Herbert has arguably the #1 arm in the NFL?!
You need help. Lots of it.
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Exactly which arm talents are we talking about.
I like Murray’s arm more than Herbert’s actually, not the tallest guy but the ball does jump out of his hand.
Good question. IMV:
+ Quick release
+ Accuracy and distance when you can't step into the throw
+ Being able to throw effectively with different arm angles
+ Being able to throw with zip and accuracy scrambling to either side
+ Being able to apply zip and touch
+ Having the arm strength to throw receivers open by fitting the ball into tight windows
Arm talent is one of those buzzwords that everybody uses although many still conflate arm talent with arm strength. They are not the same. When most people talk about arm talent they’re really just talking about the ability for a qb to make any throw, at any arm angle from any platform.
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Exactly which arm talents are we talking about.
I like Murray’s arm more than Herbert’s actually, not the tallest guy but the ball does jump out of his hand.
No. Herbert is at worst #2 to Allen and arguably #1. Some Herbert throws are mind boggling, little flings that go 40+ yards and barely go 15 feet above ground.
You can’t measure arm talent so there’s no right or wrong, only someone’s opinion. Not sure why you’re being a jerk about someone having a different opinion than you do but as far as arm talent goes Mahomes is a clear #1 imv.
Arm talent is one of those buzzwords that everybody uses although many still conflate arm talent with arm strength. They are not the same. When most people talk about arm talent they’re really just talking about the ability for a qb to make any throw, at any arm angle from any platform.
That's what I was trying by the subcategories I listed. But you summed it up much more succinctly.
They are buzzwords bandied about by people who are trying to make you think they have some insight, when they really are just complete blowhards.
They are buzzwords bandied about by people who are trying to make you think they have some insight, when they really are just complete blowhards.
Ask your boy Beane why he drafted Josh Allen.
Specifically, ask him if Allen's arm talent was a big factor.
I look forward to a resounding yes.
I've never been fond of his release and his longer throwing motion, but the ball he is throwing seems to be tighter spirals.
Jones is very good throwing the ball into the middle of the field with accuracy, btw. That's his best trait as a thrower.
full agreement, he's bee throwing darts in the middle to guys with pinpoint accuracy. Guys that were not open by much and the throw had to be perfect and it way.
Right now I am thinking of a throw to slayton on 6 yard dig near the end zone. That was a heck of a throw. The other one was the the throw the Hodgins for the TD. That was also placed in a tight window.
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Exactly which arm talents are we talking about.
I like Murray’s arm more than Herbert’s actually, not the tallest guy but the ball does jump out of his hand.
Good question. IMV:
+ Quick release
+ Accuracy and distance when you can't step into the throw
+ Being able to throw effectively with different arm angles
+ Being able to throw with zip and accuracy scrambling to either side
+ Being able to apply zip and touch
+ Having the arm strength to throw receivers open by fitting the ball into tight windows
I like this definition
Are you kidding? Eli had a cannon. And the best deep ball touch of anyone since Marino.
Herbert?
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Either. DJ can sling it pretty well. His deep throws are actually quite pretty.
Are you kidding? Eli had a cannon. And the best deep ball touch of anyone since Marino.
I liked Eli's arm. I thought it was pretty strong for the first ten years. I don't know about the Marino statement. There have been a lot of guys with arms comparable to Eli with great deep ball ability. But Eli was a helluva QB.
Here are some throwing velocity numbers from the NFL Combine.
Josh Allen 62 MPH
Mahomes 55 MPH
Herbert 55 MPH
Daniel Jones 54 MPH
For pure power there is Josh Allen and everyone else.
Mahomes talent comes from being able to accurately throw from an angle and plane. He is probably closest to Rodgers, IMV.
The difference with Jones, now, is that he and the WRs are on the same page. So he is able to set and throw with confidence.
Think about this - who had the better arm, Peyton or Eli. Well Eli had a much stronger arm. Peyton was far more accurate. Who was the better passer?
He throws a tight spiral on every throw and generally a real catchable ball.
His arm talent improvement reminds me of Brady’s after 4years in the league.
I like Murray’s arm more than Herbert’s actually, not the tallest guy but the ball does jump out of his hand.
You can spin the ball with accuracy, and make throws into tighter windows, that some other QB's can't make.
That is my definition of arm talent.
Rodgers, Mahommes, Allen can do those things the best in todays' game IMO. Allen has the strongest arm to me.
As far as Daniel goes, his arm has improved slightly since coming into the league, but he doesn't have a gun either.
Getting rid of the ball quicker this year has helped him.
That’s a good one…
Specifically, ask him if Allen's arm talent was a big factor.
They are buzzwords bandied about by people who are trying to make you think they have some insight, when they really are just complete blowhards.
Really insightful contribution from you, as per usual.
Confidence in himself and his receivers.
Arm talent isn't the end all be all.. otherwise Jeff George would be one of the best QB's ever.
Jones has average arm talent. He is throwing with more authority as his confidence grows.