I re-looked at the replay and it's obvious that Slayton shouldn't have made the catch unless he would have been extremely lucky. The reason he shouldn't have made the catch is because he is "Darius Slayton" - a bottom 3 high 4 WR.
The Defender barely tipped the ball. To even believe a stronger WR or a bigger WR wouldn't have pulled the ball in is incredibly naive.
And what is obvious other than to the Jones Haters or the Slayton lovers is that Slayton's hands suck. To try to downplay that pass as if his hands had nothing to do with a contested pass when you also factor in his lack of size and physicality in that manner is also incredibly naive. If you aren't that strong or that big chances are that the ball will get tipped away from you.
Bottom-line is that bigger WR's whether physically bigger or just taller that have decent hands don't let the CB tip that pass. Because Slayton is not that big or that strong he just isn't physical or strong enough to make that play.
The play was too difficult for him. Hodgins would make that play. Not Slayton.
I am hoping he redeems himself this week with a big play.
I am hoping he redeems himself this week with a big play.
Those are all reasons to like him but the errors are just that and a bunch of them have been big. I can’t kill him for it, he’s doing his best and playing a position he shouldnt be playing at this high of volume. But I hope he can end on a high note making a big fuck you play on Saturday night, that would erase everything.
That's not the coffin corner. The coffin corner was a term used to describe the end zone line and the sideline where a punt would go out of bounds at like the 1. It was when directional punting was actually a thing
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that Slayton didn't catch it but that DJ laid it in there, the coffin corner, perfectly. This play plus the pass to Hodgins on the sideline showed me DJ has arrived.
That's not the coffin corner. The coffin corner was a term used to describe the end zone line and the sideline where a punt would go out of bounds at like the 1. It was when directional punting was actually a thing
My bad. Meant to mean "the corner of the endzone". It was a beautiful throw but unfortunately Slayton couldn't hold on
I am hoping he redeems himself this week with a big play.
IMO there are quite a few posters on here that don't agree he is a 3/4. In particular the Jones-Hater crowd. They always hated to hear that Jones had bad WR's to work with; believing that that was an excuse.
And I read on here that quite a few of that crowd felt the ball really was too hard to catch or others have built him up the past few weeks too much. SO I just wanted to go back and see- and they were right. It was too hard to catch- no offense to Slayton but that type of play is not his strength. That's why he is that bottom 3/ high 4 WR.
I am not here to crush him. Just wanted to mention the play.
This Slayton hate is deranged, IMO.
This Slayton hate is deranged, IMO.
IS he a number 2 WR? How much you want to pay him this offseason?
You think he should've made the catch?
If not, do you think Hodgins could've made it?
I am hoping he redeems himself this week with a big play.
+1
+1. Sitting in the stands during the Jacksonville game early in the 1st quarter and someone (Wan'dale?) makes tough catch. I turn to my son on my left and Wan'dale should teach Darius to catch. The person on my right says to me Darius is my cousin. Oof. Open mouth insert foot. I hope he gets a big contract and is very successful. But am happy to see him go.
As of today, Slayton is our one speed guy. I have a feeling he will leave via FA in the 2nd wave of signings as sometime will overpay for him. I would not mind him back as a backup WR, but they need someone with decent speed that can be dependable catching the ball.
This Slayton hate is deranged, IMO.
Agree. Don't get the Slayton bashing. We all know he's not a #1 receiver in the NFL.
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and has helped us win quite a few games, including against Minny.
This Slayton hate is deranged, IMO.
IS he a number 2 WR? How much you want to pay him this offseason?
You think he should've made the catch?
If not, do you think Hodgins could've made it?
I think Hodgins is too slow to even be in position to catch it. Slayton is really our only "speed" WR. He has his warts but he's been an important cog in the Giants success this year.
Slayton wouldn’t have likely came down in bounds if he caught it, and the defender knocked his hand away from ball. It was a good play by the defender. Slayton had a number of big plays Sunday, and the Giants don’t win that game without him. The irony in this thread is stunning.
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and has helped us win quite a few games, including against Minny.
This Slayton hate is deranged, IMO.
IS he a number 2 WR? How much you want to pay him this offseason?
You think he should've made the catch?
If not, do you think Hodgins could've made it?
I think Hodgins is too slow to even be in position to catch it. Slayton is really our only "speed" WR. He has his warts but he's been an important cog in the Giants success this year.
If you could watch the replay again notice that even before the end zone they weren't going full speed. Thus it would imply that Hodgins never gets ahead of a DB.
Slayton wouldn’t have likely came down in bounds if he caught it, and the defender knocked his hand away from ball. It was a good play by the defender. Slayton had a number of big plays Sunday, and the Giants don’t win that game without him. The irony in this thread is stunning.
This post is typical horseshit of you- thanks for the laugh. You are the moron that referred to Slayto in as a number 2 wr. Yeah you are one of the posters I referred ot about Joens hate.
Still loved how in the Dallas game the pass in which Jones made a poor one but Barkley dropped it you said the ball was "at his ankles." LMAO
This has nothing to do Daniel Jones, as much you want it to. Complimenting other areas of the offense for what they are, has nothing to do with hating Daniel Jones.
I didn’t want him back at his salary, but he is a good get at what we are paying him and I’m happy we have him. The play in the end zone was a tough play for anyone. It’s not fair to say he should have caught it. The one at the end of the game, yes absolutely but if he’s making those 2 plays consistently you are paying him Gollisay money not vet minimum.
Root hard for him to get out of his head. We need him.
I am hoping he redeems himself this week with a big play.
The maddening is the former regime couldn't do better and left us having to play guys like Slayton.
Back in the day, Jerry Rice was really one of the few who reflected the modern NFL no. 1 receiver who could run all of the routes. Then the initial pass-friendly rule changes happened in the mid-90s and you had the emergence of TO as the modern do-it-all archetype.
In some ways, this Giants WR iteration has an old-school complementary approach where each receiver is best in a specific function (though Hodgins has a higher ceiling than most). Contrast this to the 2011 Giants where Nicks, Manningham and Cruz could probably all passibly run each other's route tree.
Slayton wouldn’t have likely came down in bounds if he caught it, and the defender knocked his hand away from ball. It was a good play by the defender. Slayton had a number of big plays Sunday, and the Giants don’t win that game without him. The irony in this thread is stunning.
As a Jones "hater" myself ("hater" is a dumb term), I was impressed by the fact that DJ made that throw. He's been hesitant to make similar throws over the last few years to allow the potential for contested catches, but on Monday when I went back and watched every play again, that's one of the throws that impressed me even though it didn't result in a completion.
Yeah it was either that one to Slayton or the sideline throw he made to Hodgins rolling left in the 4th at 24-24.
He took a pay cut to sub 900k
He was benched and we needed him
He never said he was a number 1
He is the fastest WR and can get separation.
People like him and he was critical in last game.
Just shut up about him! People here act like he is Golliday and making payday!!!
He is what he is and you get what you pay for and the Giants pay jackshit for a decent WR.
I hope he has a great day in Philly to shut up all the unreal haters here.
I think the EZ route was a play that Jones throws when he gets a WR in man-to-man coverage with a step. Its called throwing it out here and letting the WR make a play, all QB's do it. Guys like Jefferson make that, guys like Slayton don't. I don't consider it a drop though, it wasn't an easy play.
He wants to contribute and took a pay cut to be here.
That's who we have. Slayton and James running at 2-3. We are lucky we have a number one with clutch hands after 3/4 season of not having number 1.
Saying he is NOT a 2,3 or 4 when is HE IS the 2 is some fantasy football trade up crap.
Light candles, pray to your God and wear your underwear backwards and let's all get behind him for the remainder of the season. If he plays well, it's good for everyone
+1
He is not "mostly a liability" imo. Check his stats for the game, 4 catches, 88 yds, long of 47. Does Giants offense produce 31 points without him and his speed? Probably not.
Specifically, it's 8 drops on 79 targets if you include the playoff game. At the rate he's being targeted, he's going to drop one per game. Unacceptable in the post season. The dropper always finds open grass in "high leverage" spots.
I didn’t want him back at his salary, but he is a good get at what we are paying him and I’m happy we have him. The play in the end zone was a tough play for anyone. It’s not fair to say he should have caught it. The one at the end of the game, yes absolutely but if he’s making those 2 plays consistently you are paying him Gollisay money not vet minimum.
Root hard for him to get out of his head. We need him.
You're missing the point.
Read AJRs post calling Slayton a a low end WR2. Do you think he is a low end Wr2? It doesn't seem like you do either. He's been cheap which has been his value.
I started this thread because there are posters like ajr that massively overrate Slayton. They hate Jones. They've felt Jones supporters/lovers etc were making excuses for Jones. In part beucase they think Slayton is a low end 2Wr for example.
Ealry in year Sy called a player like SLayton as a JV type. And reading his last comments about him - they weren't positive.
This thread I just made an observation because there were legit discussions if Slayton should have made the catch.
I think that pass was basically a jump ball but with the WR having a clear edge. Slayton is not a jump ball WR. As a result,, while it sounds awful I state that Slayton really isn't capable of making that play in which many other WR's can. Overall he is a low end WR 3 or a high 4. I agree with anyone that says for the money Slayton has ben fine for beign so cheap but we need at least two WR's better.
And - just adding that a mid-level WR3 or higher that has a combo of size/physicality and decent hands is making that catch. That was my point.
I did. I enjoy it. Just discussing in part if the WR should have caught the ball. Is that so bad?
He took a pay cut to sub 900k
He was benched and we needed him
He never said he was a number 1
He is the fastest WR and can get separation.
People like him and he was critical in last game.
Just shut up about him! People here act like he is Golliday and making payday!!!
He is what he is and you get what you pay for and the Giants pay jackshit for a decent WR.
I hope he has a great day in Philly to shut up all the unreal haters here.
You need to chill out. Read ajr's post. Do you think he is a lwo end 2?
Secondly, do you think he should have made the catch? DO you think Hodgins could have made the catch?
It's so wrong to discuss if a WR should have made the catch vs another?
This is a chat board to discuss this type of stuff, isn't it?
He wants to contribute and took a pay cut to be here.
That's who we have. Slayton and James running at 2-3. We are lucky we have a number one with clutch hands after 3/4 season of not having number 1.
Saying he is NOT a 2,3 or 4 when is HE IS the 2 is some fantasy football trade up crap.
Light candles, pray to your God and wear your underwear backwards and let's all get behind him for the remainder of the season. If he plays well, it's good for everyone
People refer to some QB's as backup QB's but they start, don't they? SO you also feel guys that have bene backups their entire career but have a season in which they play a full season as the starter shouldn't be classified as a backup in terms of Quality? And this year oyu want ot pay premium dollar for Slayton?
But oh yeah Slayton is a 2. LMAO.
You mention some weeks he's had north of $10 million; with an value of 6.7 million overall, I'm guessing he had some weeks that were much lower than 6.7?
My biggest frustration with him - he is maddingly inconsistent. He'll make a really nice catch in traffic one week, then will have a drop like he did in the playoff game that could have cost them the game.
That, and he double clutches so many of his catches.