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NFT: NHL All-Star Rosters and General Discussion

pjcas18 : 1/21/2023 12:50 pm
NHL All-Star rosters were finalized with the fans voting for 3 players for each divisional team.

So the final rosters are below with the fan voted players with an asterisk:

Metropolitan Division (All-Star appearances)

F Sidney Crosby, PIT (5th)
F Johnny Gaudreau, CBJ (7th)
F Kevin Hayes, PHI (1st)
F Jack Hughes, NJD (2nd)
F Brock Nelson, NYI (1st)
F Alex Ovechkin, WSH (8th)
F Artemi Panarin, NYR (1st)*
F Andrei Svechnikov, CAR (1st)
D Adam Fox, NYR (1st)*
G Igor Shesterkin, NYR (1st)
G Ilya Sorokin, NYI (1st)*

Atlantic Division (All-Star appearances)

F Nikita Kucherov, TBL (4th)
F Dylan Larkin, DET (3rd)
F Mitchell Marner, TOR (2nd)
F Auston Matthews, TOR (5th)*
F David Pastrnak, BOS (3rd)*
F Nick Suzuki, MTL (2nd)
F Tage Thompson, BUF (1st)
F Brady Tkachuk, OTT (3rd)
F Matthew Tkachuk, FLA (2nd)
G Andrei Vasilevskiy, TBL (4th)*
G Linus Ullmark, BOS (1st)

Central Division (All-Star appearances)

F Kirill Kaprizov, MIN (2nd)
F Clayton Keller, ARI (3rd)
F Nathan MacKinnon, COL (5th)*
F Mikko Rantanen, COL (2nd)*
F Jason Robertson, DAL (1st)
F Vladimir Tarasenko, STL (4th)
D Seth Jones, CHI (4th)
D Cale Makar, COL (2nd)
D Josh Morrissey, WPG (1st)
G Connor Hellebuyck, WPG (3rd)*
G Juuse Saros, NSH (2nd)

Pacific Division (All-Star appearances)

F Matty Beniers, SEA (1st)
F Leon Draisaitl, EDM (4th)*
F Kevin Fiala, LAK (1st)
F Bo Horvat, VAN (2nd)*
F Nazem Kadri, CGY (2nd)
F Connor McDavid, EDM (6th)
F Elias Pettersson, VAN (3rd)
F Troy Terry, ANA (2nd)
D Erik Karlsson, SJS (7th)
G Stuart Skinner, EDM (1st)*
G Logan Thompson, VGK (1st)

* - selected in All-Star Fan Vote
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Here is a link  
pjcas18 : 1/27/2023 2:15 pm : link
from hockeyfights.com

Dach pummels Copp.

lol, one person voted Copp the winner and another called it a draw. The other 43 voters got it right.
link - ( New Window )
Leafs  
pjcas18 : 1/27/2023 2:18 pm : link
lose Matthews for 3 weeks. Huge.

Wonder if this effects their trade strategy. and they don't have much cap space ($1.1M).

I think the bye week/AS game will shed some light on things.

trade deadline is not until March 3, but it gets here before you know it.
RE: RE: Stu  
Jay on the Island : 1/27/2023 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16015731 Stu11 said:
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Yeah but thats 3 years down the road. We can worry about that when we get there. What I like is with Vanacek and Shmid or Dawes we have the potential of very affordable solid goaltending for the foreseeable future. Who knows we may have only one year left with Bratt any ways.

The Devils need to make a decision with Bratt before the start of next season. If he refuses to sign an extension then the Devils would be wise to move him this offseason to get a fair return rather than lose him via free agency. If the Devils already know that he won't re-sign with them then he should be offered for Meier.
I purposely  
pjcas18 : 1/27/2023 3:46 pm : link
did not comment on Provorov, but I will mention his jersey sold out within a day of the "incident" without any other commentary.
RE: I purposely  
Stu11 : 1/27/2023 7:20 pm : link
In comment 16016155 pjcas18 said:
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did not comment on Provorov, but I will mention his jersey sold out within a day of the "incident" without any other commentary.

Yeah I'll keep my thoughts to myself on that one.
RE: RE: RE: Stu  
Stu11 : 1/27/2023 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16016111 Jay on the Island said:
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Yeah but thats 3 years down the road. We can worry about that when we get there. What I like is with Vanacek and Shmid or Dawes we have the potential of very affordable solid goaltending for the foreseeable future. Who knows we may have only one year left with Bratt any ways.


The Devils need to make a decision with Bratt before the start of next season. If he refuses to sign an extension then the Devils would be wise to move him this offseason to get a fair return rather than lose him via free agency. If the Devils already know that he won't re-sign with them then he should be offered for Meier.

Yeah I agree. They'll probably not let that one leak into next season. It's really strange. Basically every other young player on the team has had a seamless negotiation on an extension but it's really been tough with Bratt. I do think the Devs will make multiple moves at the deadline. They're gonna try real hard to get a top 6 fwd and I bet they try and add to the bottom 6 as well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Stu  
Jay on the Island : 1/28/2023 9:51 am : link
In comment 16016370 Stu11 said:
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Yeah I agree. They'll probably not let that one leak into next season. It's really strange. Basically every other young player on the team has had a seamless negotiation on an extension but it's really been tough with Bratt. I do think the Devs will make multiple moves at the deadline. They're gonna try real hard to get a top 6 fwd and I bet they try and add to the bottom 6 as well.

As you know I was hard on Fitzgerald last offseason because of his decision to bring back Ruff and for not signing Bratt to a long term deal.

I now have a bad feeling that Bratt wants to test free agency.

If that's true then I hope the Devils can work out a trade for a top 6 forward like Meier.

Bedard is that game changing  
pjcas18 : 1/28/2023 6:02 pm : link
generational talent fans expect every #1 overall pick to be.

Whatever franchise gets him immediately is a lot farther in their rebuild than before (captain obvious?)

NHL Watcher
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Connor Bedard is on a personal 32 game points streak, has been held pointless in just 1 game this season, that was the first game of the season. @WHLPats
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Stu  
Stu11 : 1/28/2023 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16016616 Jay on the Island said:
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Yeah I agree. They'll probably not let that one leak into next season. It's really strange. Basically every other young player on the team has had a seamless negotiation on an extension but it's really been tough with Bratt. I do think the Devs will make multiple moves at the deadline. They're gonna try real hard to get a top 6 fwd and I bet they try and add to the bottom 6 as well.


As you know I was hard on Fitzgerald last offseason because of his decision to bring back Ruff and for not signing Bratt to a long term deal.

I now have a bad feeling that Bratt wants to test free agency.

If that's true then I hope the Devils can work out a trade for a top 6 forward like Meier.

Well when Fitz is able to lock up every other core guy in including Jack to solid deals you can't blame him on Bratt. I think it's the other side here. I think Bratt's camp thinks his best play is ahead and they've been scared of signing a Jack type deal that looks worse the better he plays. I think they feel as is always the case their best path to getting the most $ is UFA. That's fine and it's more than his prerogative, but as Johnny Hockey found out that big pay day can easily end up in a wasteland like Columbus. Bratt or no Bratt I think Fitz is hunting for a top 6 fwd at the deadline. He was surprisingly candid about it this week. They want a guy like Meier who is not just a rental. He was clear that they have assets they're willing to move. Honestly if they go thr rental route Horvat is an interesting fit. Yes he's a C and they're deep there, but they have mainly been playing Haula much of the season with Jack because he's solid at faceoffs and Jack is not. Horvat is great at FO's so he'd fit next to Jack in that roll.
Luke Hughes  
Jay on the Island : 1/29/2023 11:14 am : link
with a 4 goal game last night against Penn State. Michigan trailed 3-0 but with Hughes heroics they won 5-4. Man I can't wait until their season ends so he finishes the year in NJ.
Michigan  
pjcas18 : 1/29/2023 11:32 am : link
is loaded (as usual lately).

Besides Hughes they have

Adam Fantilli (2023 draft)
Gavin Brindley (2023 draft)
Rutger McGroarty (2022 1st round pick - WIN)
Dylan Duke (2021 4th round pick - TBL)
Seamus Casey (2022 2nd round pick - NJD)
Frankie Nazar (2022 1st round pick - CHI)
Mackie Samoskevich (2021 1st round pick - FLA)

Hughes obviously 2021 #4 overall

and more like Jacob Truscott (2020 5th round pick - VAN) or Eric Portillo (I think he's still there - 2019 3rd - BUF)

And that doesn't even consider players like Owen Power, Matty Beniers, Kent Johnson, Thomas Bordeleau, Brendan Brisson, etc. who turned pro but could still be playing.

Quinnipiac, by comparison, has 3 player drafted - all in the 6th or 7th round.

PJ  
Jay on the Island : 1/29/2023 11:37 am : link
They have been absolutely loaded over the past two years but they still failed to win a National Championship last year and they were just the 7th ranked team in the nation going into last nights game.

Last year I was rooting for Michigan to win it all. Selfishly I am rooting for their season to end as soon as possible so that Luke can join NJ.
Last day before the bye  
pjcas18 : 1/29/2023 11:47 am : link
week/AS break and trade discussion should heat up. Deadline is March 3.

Standings at this time:

Metro (GP, PTS, ROW):
CAR 48 70 28
NJD 49 68 31
NYR 49 62 25

Atlantic (GP, PTS, ROW)
BOS 49 81 36
TOR 50 68 30
TBL 48 65 31

East Wild card (GP, PTS, ROW)
WAS 51 58 25
PIT 49 57 23
BUF 49 56 25
NYI 52 55 25
FLA 52 54 23

Central (GP, PTS, ROW)
DAL 51 66 27
WIN 51 63 31
MIN 48 58 23

Pacific (GP, PTS, ROW)
SEA 49 63 29
LVG 51 62 26
LAK 52 62 24

West Wild Card (GP, PTS, ROW)
EDM 50 60 28
COL 48 57 23
CAL 50 57 23
NSH 48 54 23

Most teams beyond there are a severe longshot.

My prediction, the only change is FLA or BUF knock out WAS from the playoffs - all the other teams currently in playoff position stay that way.

RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 1/29/2023 11:51 am : link
In comment 16017286 Jay on the Island said:
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They have been absolutely loaded over the past two years but they still failed to win a National Championship last year and they were just the 7th ranked team in the nation going into last nights game.

Last year I was rooting for Michigan to win it all. Selfishly I am rooting for their season to end as soon as possible so that Luke can join NJ.


Yeah, they beat Quinnipiac last year (Rand Pecknold pulled the goalie with like 6 minutes left in the 3rd), but that Denver Michigan game to eliminate Michigan (in OT) was awesome.

I love the frozen four, but there is a lot of luck with winning that tournament - most of these teams can beat each other with some breaks. Such a hard tournament to win.
Yeah with the loser point system it's really hard to make up ground  
Stu11 : 1/29/2023 6:39 pm : link
In the NHL. You need to get out of the gate in playoff position or close to it. I agree on Washington being in the shakiest position. Pittsburgh has been un-inspiring lately, but you have to figure with their vet talent and Sullivan behind the bench they'll make it. Buffalo has been hot and you have to figure the Isles who have been so bad lately but hanging around can maybe get hot and make it interesting. Florida has played better as of late too. The one x factor with Pitt is Jarry. If he can't get healthy they may have to go looking for a goalie. DeSmith is not that good.
The Pacific division is a dog fight. One bad week and you can go from 1st or 2nd to fighting for your playoff life.
RE: Yeah with the loser point system it's really hard to make up ground  
pjcas18 : 1/29/2023 6:46 pm : link
In comment 16018496 Stu11 said:
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In the NHL. You need to get out of the gate in playoff position or close to it. I agree on Washington being in the shakiest position. Pittsburgh has been un-inspiring lately, but you have to figure with their vet talent and Sullivan behind the bench they'll make it. Buffalo has been hot and you have to figure the Isles who have been so bad lately but hanging around can maybe get hot and make it interesting. Florida has played better as of late too. The one x factor with Pitt is Jarry. If he can't get healthy they may have to go looking for a goalie. DeSmith is not that good.
The Pacific division is a dog fight. One bad week and you can go from 1st or 2nd to fighting for your playoff life.


I think Jarry is back after the break.

The x-factor with WAS is if they get healthy - they played so long without Backstrom and Wilson - and even Oshie, but I think FLA is just too good to keep losing - and that game yesterday vs BOS was awesome (though I was conflicted because I want FLA to lose b/c MTL has their 1st round pick unprotected this year but I can't root for BOS under any circumstances) FLA tied it up with 10 seconds left and won in OT.

Bruins losing again today. they lost 2 (?) in a row for the first time all season maybe or at least in a long time.

RE: RE: Yeah with the loser point system it's really hard to make up ground  
BillKo : 1/29/2023 7:01 pm : link
In comment 16018513 pjcas18 said:
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In the NHL. You need to get out of the gate in playoff position or close to it. I agree on Washington being in the shakiest position. Pittsburgh has been un-inspiring lately, but you have to figure with their vet talent and Sullivan behind the bench they'll make it. Buffalo has been hot and you have to figure the Isles who have been so bad lately but hanging around can maybe get hot and make it interesting. Florida has played better as of late too. The one x factor with Pitt is Jarry. If he can't get healthy they may have to go looking for a goalie. DeSmith is not that good.
The Pacific division is a dog fight. One bad week and you can go from 1st or 2nd to fighting for your playoff life.



I think Jarry is back after the break.

The x-factor with WAS is if they get healthy - they played so long without Backstrom and Wilson - and even Oshie, but I think FLA is just too good to keep losing - and that game yesterday vs BOS was awesome (though I was conflicted because I want FLA to lose b/c MTL has their 1st round pick unprotected this year but I can't root for BOS under any circumstances) FLA tied it up with 10 seconds left and won in OT.

Bruins losing again today. they lost 2 (?) in a row for the first time all season maybe or at least in a long time.


That is 2 in a row for the B's......tough stretch to end the break and they were due to go thru a lull.

BTW, FL tied it with ONE second left yesterday.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah with the loser point system it's really hard to make up ground  
pjcas18 : 1/29/2023 8:18 pm : link
In comment 16018590 BillKo said:
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In the NHL. You need to get out of the gate in playoff position or close to it. I agree on Washington being in the shakiest position. Pittsburgh has been un-inspiring lately, but you have to figure with their vet talent and Sullivan behind the bench they'll make it. Buffalo has been hot and you have to figure the Isles who have been so bad lately but hanging around can maybe get hot and make it interesting. Florida has played better as of late too. The one x factor with Pitt is Jarry. If he can't get healthy they may have to go looking for a goalie. DeSmith is not that good.
The Pacific division is a dog fight. One bad week and you can go from 1st or 2nd to fighting for your playoff life.



I think Jarry is back after the break.

The x-factor with WAS is if they get healthy - they played so long without Backstrom and Wilson - and even Oshie, but I think FLA is just too good to keep losing - and that game yesterday vs BOS was awesome (though I was conflicted because I want FLA to lose b/c MTL has their 1st round pick unprotected this year but I can't root for BOS under any circumstances) FLA tied it up with 10 seconds left and won in OT.

Bruins losing again today. they lost 2 (?) in a row for the first time all season maybe or at least in a long time.




That is 2 in a row for the B's......tough stretch to end the break and they were due to go thru a lull.

BTW, FL tied it with ONE second left yesterday.


yeah, lol, it was awesome (no offense). My wife and kids are Bruins fans and had the game on last night while I was watching Habs Sens. I was only half paying attention to the Bruins but that was a disaster.

Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 1/30/2023 1:56 pm : link
had Owen Beck make his debut 2- games ago as an emergency call up.

I was a little surprised it was him, at just 18 years old, I felt like someone from Laval (AHL) was probably a better choice, but he will be a good player IMO.

MTL has had 10 players under 24 play for them this year - not including Cayden Primeau (goalie). 8 of them under 23.



.  
pjcas18 : 1/30/2023 2:03 pm : link
/Cam Robinson/
@Hockey_Robinson
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Connor Bedard has 40 goals and 83 points in his last 27 hockey games.

• 1.48 goals per game
• 3.07 points per game
• 6.85 shots per game
Islanders get Bo Horvat  
Anakim : 1/30/2023 5:46 pm : link
New York Islanders
@NYIslanders
#Isles News: The New York Islanders have acquired Bo Horvat from the Vancouver Canucks, in exchange for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty and a conditional first round selection in the 2023 NHL Draft.
RE: Islanders get Bo Horvat  
Jay on the Island : 1/30/2023 5:47 pm : link
In comment 16020250 Anakim said:
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New York Islanders
@NYIslanders
#Isles News: The New York Islanders have acquired Bo Horvat from the Vancouver Canucks, in exchange for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty and a conditional first round selection in the 2023 NHL Draft.

Great get for the Islanders. They needed to add scoring and they added one of the best available players on the market. Now they just need to get him signed long term.
RE: RE: Islanders get Bo Horvat  
KDubbs : 1/30/2023 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16020251 Jay on the Island said:
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New York Islanders
@NYIslanders
#Isles News: The New York Islanders have acquired Bo Horvat from the Vancouver Canucks, in exchange for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty and a conditional first round selection in the 2023 NHL Draft.


Great get for the Islanders. They needed to add scoring and they added one of the best available players on the market. Now they just need to get him signed long term.


good player but at this rate the isles will have no good prospects because lou just traded his top prospect AND a 1st in a supposed deep draft
RE: Islanders get Bo Horvat  
pjcas18 : 1/30/2023 6:01 pm : link
In comment 16020250 Anakim said:
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New York Islanders
@NYIslanders
#Isles News: The New York Islanders have acquired Bo Horvat from the Vancouver Canucks, in exchange for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty and a conditional first round selection in the 2023 NHL Draft.


Great trade for NYI IMO. Beauvillier never developed and Raty is a good prospect, but not ready to contribute (and he may bust).

1st round pick is protected.

NYI has a road to travel to make it, but if Sorokin plays well and they can add some scoring they have a shot. WAS is vulnerable IMO and PIT is to an extent.

Draft pick  
Mike in NY : 1/30/2023 6:02 pm : link
I heard it was Top 12 protected
RE: RE: Islanders get Bo Horvat  
Stu11 : 1/30/2023 6:04 pm : link
In comment 16020251 Jay on the Island said:
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New York Islanders
@NYIslanders
#Isles News: The New York Islanders have acquired Bo Horvat from the Vancouver Canucks, in exchange for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty and a conditional first round selection in the 2023 NHL Draft.


Great get for the Islanders. They needed to add scoring and they added one of the best available players on the market. Now they just need to get him signed long term.

Yep definitely great move for the Isles. He's in the midst of a career year but he's a legit scorer. Don't know much about Raty, but the price doesn't seem exorbitant even for a rental. Especially the teams on the border of the playoffs are definitely not giving away unconditional #1's for this year with Bedard hanging out there.
love that trade  
Eric on Li : 1/30/2023 6:15 pm : link
now im crossing my fingers barry trotz has always wanted to coach bo horvat.

even if not, not much downside if they can get him extended. pick shouldn't be a lotto pick, Raty's best case is that he's horvat and that's unlikely, and beau was more about saving money at this point than anything else.

wow. was not expecting that to be the breaking isles news over the break.
Deck chairs on the Titanic  
Diversify yo bonds : 1/30/2023 6:25 pm : link
Lou is going to hand out a monster extension to a player off a career year he will never replicate.

This group hit it's head on their ceiling like Goose hit the cockpit in Top Gun. Thanks for the conf runs but it's over. The majority of the lineup is in decline phase.

- They're getting Vezina goaltending and they can't even hold a wild card spot.

-The defense is a dumpster fire that can't break the puck out. This system can't work with this roster. There's a good reason the Hall of Fame coach played tight low event hockey, it was the only way to compete with this group.

I don't hate losing Beau or Raty. Raty has skills and the puck finds him, but he can't skate and unless it improves he can't play top 6.






RE: Deck chairs on the Titanic  
Eric on Li : 1/30/2023 6:26 pm : link
In comment 16020294 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Lou is going to hand out a monster extension to a player off a career year he will never replicate.

This group hit it's head on their ceiling like Goose hit the cockpit in Top Gun. Thanks for the conf runs but it's over. The majority of the lineup is in decline phase.

- They're getting Vezina goaltending and they can't even hold a wild card spot.

-The defense is a dumpster fire that can't break the puck out. This system can't work with this roster. There's a good reason the Hall of Fame coach played tight low event hockey, it was the only way to compete with this group.

I don't hate losing Beau or Raty. Raty has skills and the puck finds him, but he can't skate and unless it improves he can't play top 6.


they need to go back playing tight low event hockey. they have a proven top pair and vez goalie, if they commit to playing defense maybe horvat gives them enough offense to get over the hump?
RE: RE: Deck chairs on the Titanic  
Diversify yo bonds : 1/30/2023 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16020297 Eric on Li said:
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Lou is going to hand out a monster extension to a player off a career year he will never replicate.

This group hit it's head on their ceiling like Goose hit the cockpit in Top Gun. Thanks for the conf runs but it's over. The majority of the lineup is in decline phase.

- They're getting Vezina goaltending and they can't even hold a wild card spot.

-The defense is a dumpster fire that can't break the puck out. This system can't work with this roster. There's a good reason the Hall of Fame coach played tight low event hockey, it was the only way to compete with this group.

I don't hate losing Beau or Raty. Raty has skills and the puck finds him, but he can't skate and unless it improves he can't play top 6.




they need to go back playing tight low event hockey. they have a proven top pair and vez goalie, if they commit to playing defense maybe horvat gives them enough offense to get over the hump?


I can't see it. There are too many problems to be solved by one deal for a center on a lucky shooting % streak. Peterson isn't hear to feed him dimes on the PP
Pettersson*  
Diversify yo bonds : 1/30/2023 6:34 pm : link
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I do think a legit  
pjcas18 : 1/30/2023 6:57 pm : link
top line center can actually change the outlook for a team.

Horvat is a beast on the dots, he's gritty, and he's scoring at a high rate (this year).

It changes everyone's role.

Even if his scoring regresses to his career norms I love the trade.

I like Horvat's game. He's a reliable 55-point player with upside. plays a 2-way game and can be on all specials units. He has 3 freaking SH goals this year.

You can say its shuffling deck chairs, but it's a huge talent upgrade especially if is extended.

No one ever accused an NHL team of having too many centers.

RE: I do think a legit  
Diversify yo bonds : 1/30/2023 7:04 pm : link
In comment 16020334 pjcas18 said:
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No one ever accused an NHL team of having too many centers.


I completely agree with you here, I'm always in favor of stacking centermen. To that point, one of the ways this could work is Lambert using the Nelson/Lee/Barzal line. It has been dominant in short stretches.
Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 1/30/2023 7:12 pm : link
have a lot of issues, one of them is their league worst power play.

I watch every single habs game and I would estimate 95% of all power plays start with a lost face off and clear down the ice.

it shaves easily 20 seconds off the PP. Suzuki is one of my favorite young players, but he struggles with face offs like a lot of younger players. And I believe he will improve.

but that has such an effect because if you struggle with zone entries (like the habs also do, lol) you wind up with basically a fraction of the zone time on the PP, and as we all know today's power play is all about getting the goalie moving side to side and one-timing the shot.

it is so frustrating. I don't know if the Islanders have this issue, but if they do, Horvat can help - worst case having two players on the ice who can take a face off is such a smart strategy on the PP. left and right as well as guys getting tossed from the circle.
RE: RE: RE: Deck chairs on the Titanic  
Eric on Li : 1/30/2023 8:44 pm : link
In comment 16020307 Diversify yo bonds said:
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In comment 16020294 Diversify yo bonds said:


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Lou is going to hand out a monster extension to a player off a career year he will never replicate.

This group hit it's head on their ceiling like Goose hit the cockpit in Top Gun. Thanks for the conf runs but it's over. The majority of the lineup is in decline phase.

- They're getting Vezina goaltending and they can't even hold a wild card spot.

-The defense is a dumpster fire that can't break the puck out. This system can't work with this roster. There's a good reason the Hall of Fame coach played tight low event hockey, it was the only way to compete with this group.

I don't hate losing Beau or Raty. Raty has skills and the puck finds him, but he can't skate and unless it improves he can't play top 6.




they need to go back playing tight low event hockey. they have a proven top pair and vez goalie, if they commit to playing defense maybe horvat gives them enough offense to get over the hump?



I can't see it. There are too many problems to be solved by one deal for a center on a lucky shooting % streak. Peterson isn't hear to feed him dimes on the PP


there were many many more problems 4.5 years ago when they went to low event hockey in the first place. they've had more breakdowns this year than the 4.5 combined and they are still just barely + in goal differential. Lane was Trotz' assistant for 14 years and yet for some reason he seems unable to come close to replicating the structure of trotz system.
horvat had a career year  
KDubbs : 1/30/2023 8:53 pm : link
last year and is besting it this year. and he is coming into his prime years. Theres no reason to think it doesnt continue
RE: horvat had a career year  
Eric on Li : 1/30/2023 8:55 pm : link
In comment 16020416 KDubbs said:
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last year and is besting it this year. and he is coming into his prime years. Theres no reason to think it doesnt continue


he's very similar to (but better than) nelson. they have the exact same career shooting % at 14%, and their best year's were also almost exactly the same at 21.6% (nelson last year, horvat this year). he's going to get paid but they are going to have 4 really solid centers locked in.
RE: horvat had a career year  
Diversify yo bonds : 1/30/2023 9:03 pm : link
In comment 16020416 KDubbs said:
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last year and is besting it this year. and he is coming into his prime years. Theres no reason to think it doesnt continue


Yeah I'm sure he'll continue to shoot at a 22% clip. Seems totally sustainable.
RE: RE: horvat had a career year  
Eric on Li : 1/30/2023 9:28 pm : link
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last year and is besting it this year. and he is coming into his prime years. Theres no reason to think it doesnt continue



Yeah I'm sure he'll continue to shoot at a 22% clip. Seems totally sustainable.


he scored 31 last year shooting much closer to his career rate.

brock nelson shot 22% last year and even though he's almost half that (and under his career average) this year he's still a good player no?
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Diversify yo bonds : 1/30/2023 9:39 pm : link
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last year and is besting it this year. and he is coming into his prime years. Theres no reason to think it doesnt continue



Yeah I'm sure he'll continue to shoot at a 22% clip. Seems totally sustainable.



he scored 31 last year shooting much closer to his career rate.

brock nelson shot 22% last year and even though he's almost half that (and under his career average) this year he's still a good player no?


The point is not to hand out 9 million to a 50 point forward. Especially when the cupboard is bare and 60% of your roster is in decline and physically breaking down.
RE: RE: RE: RE: horvat had a career year  
Eric on Li : 1/30/2023 10:18 pm : link
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The point is not to hand out 9 million to a 50 point forward. Especially when the cupboard is bare and 60% of your roster is in decline and physically breaking down.


the age of the roster is mostly on the bottom.

barzal (25), pelech (28), pulock (28), sorokin (27), dobson (23) is the median core and horvat (27) joins that. i think dobson is the only 1 of those 6 who hasn't made an asg.

pageau (30), mayfield (30), nelson (31), lee (32), palmieri (31) are aging but not ancient (and they've mostly produced this year).

that's the core of the top 9/top 4 and most of the players who logged the biggest minutes vs tb in the b2b ecf (and beat wsh, pitt, bos).

the biggest missing piece is behind the bench right now. with sorokin they should be leaning into the low event style. way too many careless breakdowns reminiscent of the doug weight days.
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Diversify yo bonds : 1/30/2023 10:28 pm : link
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The point is not to hand out 9 million to a 50 point forward. Especially when the cupboard is bare and 60% of your roster is in decline and physically breaking down.



the age of the roster is mostly on the bottom.

barzal (25), pelech (28), pulock (28), sorokin (27), dobson (23) is the median core and horvat (27) joins that. i think dobson is the only 1 of those 6 who hasn't made an asg.

pageau (30), mayfield (30), nelson (31), lee (32), palmieri (31) are aging but not ancient (and they've mostly produced this year).

that's the core of the top 9/top 4 and most of the players who logged the biggest minutes vs tb in the b2b ecf (and beat wsh, pitt, bos).

the biggest missing piece is behind the bench right now. with sorokin they should be leaning into the low event style. way too many careless breakdowns reminiscent of the doug weight days.

No offense but I don't know what you watch when you make these analyses.

Everybody in your second group is in decline save Brock. Lee is not the same post acl. Still good net front, lost a lot of skating and positional strength.
Pageau suffered nerve damage with that wrist injury against Boston in the playoffs. He can't break glass with his shot now.
Palmieri is nicked and missing chunks of games for two years.
Mayfield is about to enter pylon phase.

What is the plan here? Squeak in and hope Sorokin upsets the B's or Canes? Lol
RE: Canadiens  
Stu11 : 1/30/2023 11:48 pm : link
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have a lot of issues, one of them is their league worst power play.

I watch every single habs game and I would estimate 95% of all power plays start with a lost face off and clear down the ice.

it shaves easily 20 seconds off the PP. Suzuki is one of my favorite young players, but he struggles with face offs

As I said earlier in the thread the Devils have played half the season with Eric Haula a guy who could shoot a puck from the edge of the boat and miss the ocean because he's good on faceoffs and Jack as the C on the line isn't. Faceoffs are huge and as you said Horvat is real good at them. Is he a 50 goal scorer like this year? No. However he scored 31 last year and the going rate for a very good 2 way 30 goal guy who does the little things. Yes petterson is a stud playmaker but last time I checked Barzal is a 50 assist guy in his own right.
Interesting All Star question. Horvat is a Pacific div all star. Is he still gonna play with them or will they replace his spot?
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pjcas18 : 1/31/2023 7:57 am : link
I think he may drop out so he can move, but if he doesn't he probably still plays for the west.

but I do think he drops out if I had to guess.
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JayBinQueens : 1/31/2023 8:25 am : link
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The point is not to hand out 9 million to a 50 point forward. Especially when the cupboard is bare and 60% of your roster is in decline and physically breaking down.



the age of the roster is mostly on the bottom.

barzal (25), pelech (28), pulock (28), sorokin (27), dobson (23) is the median core and horvat (27) joins that. i think dobson is the only 1 of those 6 who hasn't made an asg.

pageau (30), mayfield (30), nelson (31), lee (32), palmieri (31) are aging but not ancient (and they've mostly produced this year).

that's the core of the top 9/top 4 and most of the players who logged the biggest minutes vs tb in the b2b ecf (and beat wsh, pitt, bos).

the biggest missing piece is behind the bench right now. with sorokin they should be leaning into the low event style. way too many careless breakdowns reminiscent of the doug weight days.


No offense but I don't know what you watch when you make these analyses.

Everybody in your second group is in decline save Brock. Lee is not the same post acl. Still good net front, lost a lot of skating and positional strength.
Pageau suffered nerve damage with that wrist injury against Boston in the playoffs. He can't break glass with his shot now.
Palmieri is nicked and missing chunks of games for two years.
Mayfield is about to enter pylon phase.

What is the plan here? Squeak in and hope Sorokin upsets the B's or Canes? Lol


What move would you prefer/would you have preferred Lou made?
I think the Islanders  
pjcas18 : 1/31/2023 9:47 am : link
should go all in at this point.

They have the core in place to make a run. and by going all in I mean adding Karlsson or Kane for example.

Sorokin has been Vezina level good.

Just right the ship around him and they can gain some momentum.

RE: I think the Islanders  
Diversify yo bonds : 1/31/2023 11:52 am : link
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should go all in at this point.

They have the core in place to make a run.

They absolutely do not. The two conference finals runs were fantastic, I thoroughly enjoyed this group, but it's over.

Every skater not named Nelson or Dobson is a worse player today than they were two seasons ago. Lee, Pageau, Palmieri, and Bailey have all suffered career altering injuries and will not be what they were.

Trotz is gone.

Toews and Leddy were top 15 every year in zone exits/entries with possession. Nobody on the roster is replicating that, it's been one of the biggest issues the last two years.

This strategy is just hopium that a bunch of dead wood is going to turn back the clock and Sorokin goes Roy '86 or Hasek' 99.
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Eric on Li : 1/31/2023 11:59 am : link
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The point is not to hand out 9 million to a 50 point forward. Especially when the cupboard is bare and 60% of your roster is in decline and physically breaking down.



the age of the roster is mostly on the bottom.

barzal (25), pelech (28), pulock (28), sorokin (27), dobson (23) is the median core and horvat (27) joins that. i think dobson is the only 1 of those 6 who hasn't made an asg.

pageau (30), mayfield (30), nelson (31), lee (32), palmieri (31) are aging but not ancient (and they've mostly produced this year).

that's the core of the top 9/top 4 and most of the players who logged the biggest minutes vs tb in the b2b ecf (and beat wsh, pitt, bos).

the biggest missing piece is behind the bench right now. with sorokin they should be leaning into the low event style. way too many careless breakdowns reminiscent of the doug weight days.


No offense but I don't know what you watch when you make these analyses.

Everybody in your second group is in decline save Brock. Lee is not the same post acl. Still good net front, lost a lot of skating and positional strength.
Pageau suffered nerve damage with that wrist injury against Boston in the playoffs. He can't break glass with his shot now.
Palmieri is nicked and missing chunks of games for two years.
Mayfield is about to enter pylon phase.

What is the plan here? Squeak in and hope Sorokin upsets the B's or Canes? Lol


"in decline" ≠ not productive.

Is Nelson on pace for a career year follow-up to his career year last year (despite not maintaining his 21% shooting%)?

are both he and lee on pace for 30 goals?

is JGP on pace for his best year as an islander?

the devils are the only team in the metro who don't rely on some players over 30. panarin/kreider are 31, zibanajed/trocheck turn 30 this year. the caps/pens basically have nobody under 30.
RE: I think the Islanders  
Eric on Li : 1/31/2023 12:06 pm : link
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should go all in at this point.

They have the core in place to make a run. and by going all in I mean adding Karlsson or Kane for example.

Sorokin has been Vezina level good.

Just right the ship around him and they can gain some momentum.


totally agree the big question is do they have a coach who can minimally pass a competence test?

their breakdown in structure this year has been doug weight-esque and would look unspeakably bad if sorokin wasnt sorokin. they've sold out for offense and even doing so the offense has regressed (especially the PP). they have been getting worse over the year not better.

in some ways they are like the 2021 mets in august with rojas. the pieces are there so they have enough to go all in if they want to do so. except they stupidly fired their buck and replaced him with rojas instead of the other way around and you can just tell something is off with the way they cant hold leads and show up flat way too often.

for the life of me i will never understand how mr trap lou lamoriello chose to give up a HOF defense first coach for an unknown rookie coach to add more offense instead of just signing someone like gaudreau.
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Diversify yo bonds : 1/31/2023 12:07 pm : link
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The point is not to hand out 9 million to a 50 point forward. Especially when the cupboard is bare and 60% of your roster is in decline and physically breaking down.



the age of the roster is mostly on the bottom.

barzal (25), pelech (28), pulock (28), sorokin (27), dobson (23) is the median core and horvat (27) joins that. i think dobson is the only 1 of those 6 who hasn't made an asg.

pageau (30), mayfield (30), nelson (31), lee (32), palmieri (31) are aging but not ancient (and they've mostly produced this year).

that's the core of the top 9/top 4 and most of the players who logged the biggest minutes vs tb in the b2b ecf (and beat wsh, pitt, bos).

the biggest missing piece is behind the bench right now. with sorokin they should be leaning into the low event style. way too many careless breakdowns reminiscent of the doug weight days.


No offense but I don't know what you watch when you make these analyses.

Everybody in your second group is in decline save Brock. Lee is not the same post acl. Still good net front, lost a lot of skating and positional strength.
Pageau suffered nerve damage with that wrist injury against Boston in the playoffs. He can't break glass with his shot now.
Palmieri is nicked and missing chunks of games for two years.
Mayfield is about to enter pylon phase.

What is the plan here? Squeak in and hope Sorokin upsets the B's or Canes? Lol



"in decline" ≠ not productive.

Is Nelson on pace for a career year follow-up to his career year last year (despite not maintaining his 21% shooting%)?

are both he and lee on pace for 30 goals?

is JGP on pace for his best year as an islander?

the devils are the only team in the metro who don't rely on some players over 30. panarin/kreider are 31, zibanajed/trocheck turn 30 this year. the caps/pens basically have nobody under 30.


You keep listing ages like a number matters more than their physical condition.

Their injuries have made them lesser players and its not going to get better. Do you watch games? This is one of the slowest teams in the league and they just got slower.
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