run this year. This offseason is about bolstering the roster to compete with the likes of the Cowboys and Eagles. The Eagles o-line and d-line has dominated the Giants for years.
First, important players returned from injury.
Second, those players prevented the Eagles from scoring 40 points.
A surprising year. Reasons to be optimistic.
Improved 5.5 games. I am excited for next year when we have another draft and more cap space with this regime. Expectations are high but the future is bright.
When we had third and short in eagles territory on the next drive and Neal gave up a ludicrously easy sack to end that drive… after that it felt like we were chasing our tails.
This team needs some improvement at the linebacker level
on the tape that the players and coaches won’t like. I think the Eagles wanted it more. The Giants thought they were prepared for this game but they were not. This is a good step for them but it’s learning from failure.
That includes OLB zero pressure and poor contain as a whole. Kayvon will improve but talent needs to be added going forward.
Ojulari and Thibs both strike me as really good secondary pieces, not "the" guy. Ojulari to be fair was banged up all year...but that makes him another question mark going into next year.
We had to have great QB play to be competitive today but I did not see a complete no show by the defense. Especially the front 7. Just brutal beatdown for those groups. Has to be upgraded as we were 0-4 vs Philly and Dallas regular season. Can't continue to be whipping boys in our own division. Lots of roster changes coming.
Did Dabes shake Sirianni's hand at the end of the game?
Was wondering cuz I saw him meet up with Hurts, who he's obviously got some positive history with in college, but not sure if he just walked off after that with the new Mike Murphy replacement security guy.
and then only won 2 of our last 8 or 3 of our last 9 if you include playoffs.
Was kind of strange seeing people act like we were on some kind of roll.
Quoting raw stats like this with no context is wrong. We played the easier part of our schedule early. The final 9 games included 3 vs Philly, 2 vs Minny, 2 vs Wash, and 1 vs Dallas. Those teams had a combined record of 47-20, or 70% winning %. Of course our record would be worse.
In the end we won 9 games and won a road playoff game. Quite an achievement from where we were, and a great building block year.
We found a good HC and staff.
For us to compete in the NFC East against the Eagles and Cowboys we need to be competitive at the LOS. We are not unfortunately.
We cannot ignore that fact going into free agency and the draft.
Schoen and Daboll have seen that for sure.
of having insufficient fronts that Reese started and Dave continued. We have a few to build with. Schoen needs to add more.
Play the perimeter game you might have some nice regular season seasons and get in the playoffs until beaten by a team who has those fronts. Tonight shows the need for one upper tier QR and two good ones alongside.
Good effort by the staff and players this year. Short week didn't help.
Now its Schoen's time to fix it. He can call his mentor Parcells if he needs any help. Welcome to NFCE football. Physical teams is what wins here. Its never changed.
In my opinion, there is never a good enough reason to go for it on 4th and 8 near midfield before the game has had a chance to find itself. By pushing it there and failing to convert, we were contributing to the avalanche rather than attempting to stop it.
We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.
LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.
The Jints were beaten in every phase of the game. I hope the FO, the coaching staff and the players all learn something from it. Even though this was a beatdown, there is more optimism going into this offseason than there has been for many years.
They were outclassed and probably out coached. The talent difference was huge. The Giants have a ton of work to do. Schoen and Browne need to get to work and improve the talent. There's tons to look forward to. Finally the future is bright and I'm excited after years of giving up
On the team.
of having insufficient fronts that Reese started and Dave continued. We have a few to build with. Schoen needs to add more.
Play the perimeter game you might have some nice regular season seasons and get in the playoffs until beaten by a team who has those fronts. Tonight shows the need for one upper tier QR and two good ones alongside.
Good effort by the staff and players this year. Short week didn't help.
Now its Schoen's time to fix it. He can call his mentor Parcells if he needs any help. Welcome to NFCE football. Physical teams is what wins here. Its never changed.
we were more competitive, but it was a great year. But we need a great offseason since Philly has three first round draft picks IIRC. Yikes.
It WAS a great, pleasantly unexpected season. We need more talent, and I have to believe an FA or 2 with a couple of years left would be excited to come to the Giants to try to help, while JS drafts at 25, 57, 89 and about 105(the KC pick), along with 1/2 the ‘22 draft class off IR to continue the rebuild
all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown
Thank you to the players, coaches, and front office for a great season. They far exceeded expectations and the odds. That said, this game showed just how much work they have ahead.
Selfishly, I hope neither Kafka or Martindale get hired. Some continuity would be nice, especially on O. The Eagles true strenghts are along the line of scrimmage. They, have a dominating OL and front 7. That's what the Giants need to shoot for.
RE: all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown
For all the comparisons to 2007, this turned out to be 1993. I thought the Giants were due to beat Philly, but the gap is still too great. Great season, but until this franchise can beat Philly & Dallas they haven’t arrived. Have to close the gap.
RE: all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown
In my opinion, there is never a good enough reason to go for it on 4th and 8 near midfield before the game has had a chance to find itself. By pushing it there and failing to convert, we were contributing to the avalanche rather than attempting to stop it.
We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.
LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.
I respect and like Daboll, but that doesn't mean he's perfect, Nobody is, but he shouldn't have gone fir it there on 4th and 8 so early in the game before the game itself unfolded. Parcells never would have done that in that situation. He needs to learn from that. In the postgame he was adamant about going for it there since he said they practiced a lot of 4th down stuff during the week.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
There are teams less talented than the Giants who played the Eagles competitively this season
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
I think it was both. Huge talent gap but they weren’t really prepared. There were plays where it looked like the Eagles wanted it more.
If they had been mentally prepared it might have been closer. But y’know, maybe not.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.
Yes. Very fair assessment.
McAdoos first season. Lots of things fell just right and papered over some bad flaws?
Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.
Daboll is a stud. We need Schoen to prove he can use the $ right. What he did with the shit Gettleman left us with is incredible. The 4th down call was irrelevant
the RIGHT team won. The Giants have work to do in order to get past the Eagles. Probably two off-seasons worth of work. They'll get helped by the Eagles' cap situation as well as impending free agents and players who are a little on the older side. The Eagles though will have a high pick to help them (the Saints' 10th pick in the first round in three months I believe?). Gotta suck it up and deal with it. Eagles and Niners will play in the NFC Title Game next week. Take solace in the likelihood that Dallas will join the NYGs watching it after the 69ers end their season tomorrow.
Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
Although we took our lumps from the Eagles, there are lessons learned which we can upgrade. Significant upgrades are needed at LB, especially at MIKE.
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.
A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Let down? What the hell. This isn’t about me being let down. It s me making an observation about a team that got gashed on basic running plays from beginning to end,….. the Eagles might be more talented, but they played harder today
Jonathan C on post game just stated,” Eagles played with more heart”
Guess I m in pretty good company
RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.
I don't see that.
2016 was full of drama going into the playoffs with OBJ and the Pips. And then we got rolled.
At least this year, we won a road playoff game. And that sort of certified the season - IMV.
RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Although we took our lumps from the Eagles, there are lessons learned which we can upgrade. Significant upgrades are needed at LB, especially at MIKE.
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.
A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).
This game was nothing like that 85 Bears game. The Giants were down 7-0 at the half and moved the ball to start that game and ended the half missing a chip shot FG. This game was over after the 1st Quarter.
Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
RE: RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.
Those 2016-2017 teams were bought not homegrown and we're extremely unlikeable as a fan. This team was well coached and very easy to get behind. Snacks, Jenkins, Vernon, Apple, DRC, Flowers etc. just rubbed me the wrong way
But we have our head coach and QB going forward, and that's the most important thing. I feel like in the "class system" of the best teams in the NFL right now; the Giants went from last year being one of the most "poor" teams in the league, to this year jumping into the "upper middle class." The only teams in the NFC I think are much better than us right now are the 3 teams that remain in the postseason: Philly, Dallas, and SF. Outside of those 3 teams, I think we can beat any team in the NFC. It just sucks that 2 of those 3 teams are in the same Division as us AND those 2 teams rarely suffer significant injuries like we do literally every regular season.
Kind of the same thing in the AFC. The only 3 teams I'd fear facing in the AFC right now are the 3 teams that just happen to still be alive: Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals.
Hopefully, with our 11 draft picks and cap space we're able to close the gap with those 6 teams (especially the 2 in our Division) in the offseason.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Eagles always beat us in the trenches
Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
That is a disgusting response, what the hell is wrong with you! Are you 15 years old?
Those 2016-2017 teams were bought not homegrown and we're extremely unlikeable as a fan. This team was well coached and very easy to get behind. Snacks, Jenkins, Vernon, Apple, DRC, Flowers etc. just rubbed me the wrong way
THIS.
RE: RE: RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.
the Eagle defense is for some reason very underrated by fans (not just Giants fans).
They had like 70 sacks on the year..I’d guess 20% of that number came from the 2 games against the giants. The one thing we do consistently against the Eagles is prove we can’t block them.
Those 2016-2017 teams were bought not homegrown and we're extremely unlikeable as a fan. This team was well coached and very easy to get behind. Snacks, Jenkins, Vernon, Apple, DRC, Flowers etc. just rubbed me the wrong way
THIS.
And to expand on that I even questioned being a fan of the team because the players and the coach made it bad to be a fan.
And tackling. I know, simple…but it really is a simple game sometimes.
Watching phillys offense- hat on a hat on running plays. OL getting push and making blocks at second level, WR’s and TE’s, blocking on runs and screens, Giants pass rush non existent.
Meanwhile, Giants couldn’t block anything.
Tackling wise- every play the Philly ball carrier would gain 2,3 yards more than they should have. Sometimes even more. They had more fight, and the Giants defense did an awful job tackling. Meanwhile Giants we’re stopped immediately after every catch and didn’t earn any extra yards.
The Eagles were an astonishing 10-of-14 on third down.
Meanwhile, the Giants only had three first downs in the first half and only 13 for the game (those other 10 were virtually meaningless because the game was decided by then).
The first two NYG drives ended with turnovers (one on downs and one by a pick).
268 yards rushing allowed? Holy crap.
Eagles were simply the better team. This happens a lot in the playoffs. Fans (including me) get worked up in the Wild Card round when their team wins, but then get bitch slapped back to reality by the #1 or #2 seed in the divisional round.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Let down? What the hell. This isn’t about me being let down. It s me making an observation about a team that got gashed on basic running plays from beginning to end,….. the Eagles might be more talented, but they played harder today
Jonathan C on post game just stated,” Eagles played with more heart”
Guess I m in pretty good company
Saying things like 'felt too good about themselves' or 'weren't ready to play' those are things angry customers say like clockwork. The Giants played a best of three with Philadelphia and got spanked loudly twice, but we'd rather believe the talent gap isn't so bad, they were simply un-interested or un-prepared.
If that team didn't have an eagle on the helmet you'd be more willing to give them credit for being damn good. We are not recognizing how difficult it is to win 13 games in the NFL because it's Philadelphia.
And tackling. I know, simple…but it really is a simple game sometimes.
Watching phillys offense- hat on a hat on running plays. OL getting push and making blocks at second level, WR’s and TE’s, blocking on runs and screens, Giants pass rush non existent.
Meanwhile, Giants couldn’t block anything.
Tackling wise- every play the Philly ball carrier would gain 2,3 yards more than they should have. Sometimes even more. They had more fight, and the Giants defense did an awful job tackling. Meanwhile Giants we’re stopped immediately after every catch and didn’t earn any extra yards.
Well said. Giants carved up at the LOS. Both sides. All night long. Very difficult to watch.
And tackling. I know, simple…but it really is a simple game sometimes.
Watching phillys offense- hat on a hat on running plays. OL getting push and making blocks at second level, WR’s and TE’s, blocking on runs and screens, Giants pass rush non existent.
Meanwhile, Giants couldn’t block anything.
Tackling wise- every play the Philly ball carrier would gain 2,3 yards more than they should have. Sometimes even more. They had more fight, and the Giants defense did an awful job tackling. Meanwhile Giants we’re stopped immediately after every catch and didn’t earn any extra yards.
Well said. Giants carved up at the LOS. Both sides. All night long. Very difficult to watch.
NYG have been getting carved up along both sides of the LOS consistently vs this team since 2011. It’s well past the point of ridiculous now.
The Eagles were an astonishing 10-of-14 on third down.
Meanwhile, the Giants only had three first downs in the first half and only 13 for the game (those other 10 were virtually meaningless because the game was decided by then).
The first two NYG drives ended with turnovers (one on downs and one by a pick).
268 yards rushing allowed? Holy crap.
Eagles were simply the better team. This happens a lot in the playoffs. Fans (including me) get worked up in the Wild Card round when their team wins, but then get bitch slapped back to reality by the #1 or #2 seed in the divisional round.
Past 10 years the #1 seed beat the # 6 seed 11 out of 13 times in the divisional playoffs. Add this beat down to the record.
just didn't play well tonight to me, but obviously knew the cinderella ride may end sooner than later. really didn't see a talent gap, but an execution gap. the msg post-game show just mentioned on the int, that saquon was in the flat vs a DE - oh well :-). perhaps we burnt out after last week? just a very, very flat game. really hard to know what to do in the offseason with a talented rb who's perhaps lost a step, and is not a big rushes guy? and a qb we didn't ask to do a lot, and sometimes perhaps doesn't look great vs adversity? plus obviously we need upgrades on d and o - since we have to have big play capability since you cannot grind out 10-15 play drives all the time :-). will be an interesting post-season.
Giving respect to the Giants. I think we're heading in the right direction of eagle fans think highly of the Giants
What respect? Certainly not for tonight’s horrific performance.
They have respect because they can see where this team is heading and the people running the show know what they are doing. You've spent an entire year looking for every negative and when an opposing team's fans can see what Daboll and Schoen are building and how they've gotten the players a team to overachiever you complain. They respect the entire season and are worried about the future
I tried talking myself into saying well this will just be like the Vikings game. The truth is, after the glow of the wildcard game wore off I began doubting this game more and more. By kickoff I wasn't even excited and was hoping the team would kick me out of the funk... and then it got worse.
The only hope I could draw by yesterday was maybe Hurts won't be 100%. They had the better defense going into this, they had the better offense going into this. I didn't think we'd suffer an all time ass kicking, but here we are....
They simply aren’t good enough and at some point, it’s about the Jimmies and Joes, not the X’s and O’s. Eagles are one of the 2 or 3 most talented teams in the NFL. The Giants aren’t even remotely close to that.
Getting manhandled on both lines was demoralizing.
The ONLY two players who I thought played well were Richie James and Breida. That’s it. Saquon was okay and everyone else just sucked.
That could’ve possibly been Jones and Barkley’s final game in Blue. Let’s hope it Darius Slayton’s. He was a trainwreck tonight.
is correct as I just posted on another thread. In the two games that mattered to the Giants against the Eagles, we got spanked. It wasn't close. It wasn't a play here or there.
I said in my preview if we played this team 10 times, we'd probably lose 9 of them. Someone called me out on that, but I stand by that statement.
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
Sure it does. The Eagles are vastly superior and have a great chance to beat the crap out of the AFC team in the Super Bowl.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Eagles always beat us in the trenches
Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
That is a disgusting response, what the hell is wrong with you! Are you 15 years old?
Thanks man but don’t bother ppl dug their heels in on the qb long ago…. 15 years old was probably right…
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
Why? The only argument I can see for waving off the talent disparity is not wanting to give the opponent some credit.
The Giants were 0-3 against the Eagles and 1-4-1 in the NFC East during the regular season. They are a roster with a lot of work to do.
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
Sure it does. The Eagles are vastly superior and have a great chance to beat the crap out of the AFC team in the Super Bowl.
Oh, well. This is the kind of game that will keep me up all night! And not in a good way!
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
There’s a range of outcomes that can happen, this one happened to be on the aggressive side of the talent gap. Big talent gap though. Once things got away from us early, and it didn’t take much because of the gap, things snowballed. There are scenarios where this is closer but it’s not 100% correlated with coaching. I actually think certain closer games are indicative of poor coaching, ie the Joe Judge style.
Just look at the facts. Philly is top-3 on BOTH offense and defense. Their QB was headed to league MVP before he got hurt. As you are so fond of pointing out all of the time, trenches matter. And no team in the NFL is better on both sides of the ball. They have two studs at WR and two CBs who can cover.
Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.
Just look at the facts. Philly is top-3 on BOTH offense and defense. Their QB was headed to league MVP before he got hurt. As you are so fond of pointing out all of the time, trenches matter. And no team in the NFL is better on both sides of the ball. They have two studs at WR and two CBs who can cover.
They are loaded. And they have depth.
I hear ya! They are loaded, indeed! And tonight they unloaded on our Giants.
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
There’s a range of outcomes that can happen, this one happened to be on the aggressive side of the talent gap. Big talent gap though. Once things got away from us early, and it didn’t take much because of the gap, things snowballed. There are scenarios where this is closer but it’s not 100% correlated with coaching. I actually think certain closer games are indicative of poor coaching, ie the Joe Judge style.
Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
There’s a range of outcomes that can happen, this one happened to be on the aggressive side of the talent gap. Big talent gap though. Once things got away from us early, and it didn’t take much because of the gap, things snowballed. There are scenarios where this is closer but it’s not 100% correlated with coaching. I actually think certain closer games are indicative of poor coaching, ie the Joe Judge style.
Interesting observations!
We were an upstart. If we would have won it would have been a massive upset.
Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.
Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.
He’s not going to “step up” with this same offensive line and these same receivers. If they don’t plan on getting better in those spots, might as well let him walk.
Does not necessarily explain the vicious beat down tonight.
Football is also a game of emotion, energy and willpower and the Giants lost all three in the first half.
I think this is the disappointing part. It seems like they were flat at the end and allowed them to run up the scoreline. That shouldn't have happened.
Daniel Jones was pressured on 64% of his dropbacks in the first half, per
@ESPNStatsInfo. Only Russell Wilson ('15 + '16) faced more pressure in a half of a playoff game since ESPN started tracking pressures in '09.
Right out of the gate, the Giants did not appear to be ready for this one and, unfortunately for them, Philly was absolutely ready.
The run defense was terrible. Missed tackles, bad angles, inability to get off blocks, etc. I could not believe how bad they looked. Even the usually solid Julian Love looked bad. In the first quarter alone he tried to tackle 3 guys way too high and they all ran over him. Terrible way to start. And to add insult to injury, a 5’6” RB named Boston Scott continues to embarrass them. Someone needs to let the defense know he’s not Emmitt Smith.
One thing this game showed is how weak they are up the middle. They need to find 2 ILBs in the off-season because neither Smith nor Davis is the answer.
That said, it was a turnaround season for this franchise and the arrow is definitely pointing up. Need to add some talent at WR, IOL, ILB and CB in the off-season through the draft and free agency and keep the ones you have to have (Jones, Barkley, etc).
the surge of the line of scrimmage went the wrong way, quickly.
^^ THIS was the reason why we lost. Too many people focusing on the wrong things. Running Barkley early, Jones running out of bounds when the game was already over, etc., all does not matter when you are getting steam rolled up front.
its just "possible", that when they emptied the tank against Minn., they were never able to reload it. The were NEVER going to win this game, not with the intensity Philly played at. (if they keep this up they win the SB, no question).
The blow out was more due to the team not being able to match the Eagles intensity.
The lucid reminder is this was Year 1 of the rebuild. and it went VERY well. on to Year 2.
Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.
He’s not going to “step up” with this same offensive line and these same receivers. If they don’t plan on getting better in those spots, might as well let him walk.
He played like vintage Jones; the Eagles re-produced the Jones defensive game plan that had gone missing the last month or so- pressure the passer, jump the short routes, contain the off-script runs, produce the inaccurate passes, gather the turnovers. Jones is an enigma wrapped in a riddle.
It was like watching Alabama vs Vanderbilt. Work cut out for Shcoen this spring, but we’re on the right path.
That little shit Roseman has done a great job. Let's not forget Hurts was a mid-round 2nd round pick. When you can get a league MVP type season out of a second rounder, you are way ahead of the game.
said 2005 Carolina which was a good comparison. Carolina also ran like 45 times for 250.
That was me unless someone else said it as well.
I didn't know who said but thought it was a good comparison on the game thread. Just wanted to give credit to whoever mentioned it and now that I know it was you nice work on identifying that game.
It was a good season for the Giants regardless, but it's clear that
the 1st Eagles game was the true display of the talent differential between the teams. The Giants just don't match up in too many areas. They're 2-3 good draft and FA classes away. But at least the FO and Coaching is in place.
Not that it ended up making a difference, but was anyone else surprised that they deferred on the opening kickoff? I thought they would have gone out to try and get a lead.
I also thought that on the pick it seemed like Barkley was all alone at the top of the screen and could have had a huge play. Anyone else see that?
That’s an awful comparison. They bought a $200M defense. This team was in cap hell. Totally different.
Yes, the context and situations were very different, but the soft schedules and records in one score games (9-2 in 2016, 8-3-1 in 2022) were very similar. Had the Giants won the home game against Washington this year, they would have had precisely the same number of wins. Clearly, they bought a defense 2016 which is the only reason they made the playoffs. Which in and of itself is confounding given the fact that McAdoo was a "basketball on grass" guru.
Not saying 2017 is prologue for 2023, but I have never seen a narrative so blatantly wrong as I did on 9/10/2017. After driving twelve hundred miles from the east coast of Florida to Dallas to avoid hurricane Irma, I met up with some friends and family to see the start to the Giants 2017 Super Bowl run at Texas Stadium. I had actually convinced myself that the Giants were a really good team despite the playoff loss to the Packers and just needed some pass catching weapons for Eli. So with the additions of Brandon Marshall and Evan Engram, how could we not win our fifth Lombardi? At the start of the game, I actually raised a glass and said "Here's to Super Bowl LII"! By halftime, I knew the McAdoo tenure was over, and naturally, the Eagles won the Super Bowl.
Inconvenient truths derail narratives. The Giants won precisely one game by more than one score this year, and that was to the Colts, a terrible team who had clearly checked out as evidenced by their loss the following week to the Texans, who were not only very worst team in the NFL, but actually lost the top pick in the 2023 draft by winning the game! Whether the Eagles are the 1985 Bears will be in full evidence over the next game or two. For the Giants sake and the narrative that "we are a year ahead of the rebuild schedule", lets hope indeed they are. My guess is, they aren't.
...Inconvenient truths derail narratives. The Giants won precisely one game by more than one score this year, and that was to the Colts, a terrible team who had clearly checked out as evidenced by their loss the following week to the Texans, who were not only very worst team in the NFL, but actually lost the top pick in the 2023 draft by winning the game! Whether the Eagles are the 1985 Bears will be in full evidence over the next game or two. For the Giants sake and the narrative that "we are a year ahead of the rebuild schedule", lets hope indeed they are. My guess is, they aren't.
Agree your 1st sentence, Mike. I thought it was slam dunk delusional to think this was the beginning of a 2007 type run. One of the beats had it: as much as he liked the Vikes matchup, he hated this matchup. As to the rebuild, I am confident that Schoen and Daboll are much better than JR, Gettleman, MacAdoo, et al. It's tough to recoup the ground lost in at least ten years of personnel and cap mismanagement in one year. A lot of work to be done.
...Inconvenient truths derail narratives. The Giants won precisely one game by more than one score this year, and that was to the Colts, a terrible team who had clearly checked out as evidenced by their loss the following week to the Texans, who were not only very worst team in the NFL, but actually lost the top pick in the 2023 draft by winning the game! Whether the Eagles are the 1985 Bears will be in full evidence over the next game or two. For the Giants sake and the narrative that "we are a year ahead of the rebuild schedule", lets hope indeed they are. My guess is, they aren't.
Agree your 1st sentence, Mike. I thought it was slam dunk delusional to think this was the beginning of a 2007 type run. One of the beats had it: as much as he liked the Vikes matchup, he hated this matchup. As to the rebuild, I am confident that Schoen and Daboll are much better than JR, Gettleman, MacAdoo, et al. It's tough to recoup the ground lost in at least ten years of personnel and cap mismanagement in one year. A lot of work to be done.
I was anti-McAdoo from the start so I completely agree. Daboll is definitely the right guy to lead this team. But as you say, the hardest part of the climb remains ahead of us...
I think many Giant fans are highly underrating Nick Sirianni as a coach. The Eagles are organized and disciplined.
Two years ago, the Giants played the Eagles and Jalen Hurts played abysmally and cost the Eagles the game. After that, most fans vilified Jalen and said he was not an NFL QB.
Nick's system has turned Jalen into an MVP candidate. However, Hurts does not have a strong arm and is not a natural passer. Nick Sirianni deserves a lot of credit.
I think many Giant fans are highly underrating Nick Sirianni as a coach. The Eagles are organized and disciplined.
Two years ago, the Giants played the Eagles and Jalen Hurts played abysmally and cost the Eagles the game. After that, most fans vilified Jalen and said he was not an NFL QB.
Nick's system has turned Jalen into an MVP candidate. However, Hurts does not have a strong arm and is not a natural passer. Nick Sirianni deserves a lot of credit.
Sure. But it's just not that difficult to make good calls/design when you have arguably the best OL in the league, the best WR duo in the league, solid RBs, and a top 5 two-way TE in the league. And oh by the way, all of THAT is backed by one of the most stacked defenses in the league.
Jalen Hurts is an NFL qb. He's obviously proven that. But everything I've just said is why I'm not over the top in my praise of him or Sirianni.
Shane Steichen absolutely spanked Wink
DJ was awful
Our pass-rushers didn't even touch Jalen Hurts
I mean it was just awful all-around. We have a lot of work to do.
We will be better next year!!
#44 can keep him company
This is really true.
I don’t even know what to critique because the game itself felt like it never started for the giants.
At some point, someone needs to learn something about the Eagles. We look like we have no idea how to play them.
Keep rebuilding. Looking forward to the draft.
Go Niners. Then go AFC
Well, Jihad Ward did grow up an Eagles fan...
Second, those players prevented the Eagles from scoring 40 points.
A surprising year. Reasons to be optimistic.
But remember that two years ago, the Eagles were nowhere near this good.
Giants’ arrow is pointing up. Excited about the coming years.
At some point, someone needs to learn something about the Eagles. We look like we have no idea how to play them.
They always beat the shit out of us at the LOS. Until we get better upfront nothing will change.
Ok Joe Schoen the ball is in your hands.
Was kind of strange seeing people act like we were on some kind of roll.
Terrible no show, the Eagles wanted it more and it showed.
For a Very Long Time Now...
Eagles showed what the state of the art looks like. We were physically dominated from the get go.
Willl be fun to watch us improve.
Opposing RB runs into a bunch of white and pushed the pile. Our RB runs into a defender and goes down.
DJ was dreadful. He had a lot of company.
Everyone keeps saying talent disparity, but a couple weeks ago the backups put up a better showing.
It was iffy that we would keep it close, let alone win, but the Giants came out looking to lose.
Ojulari and Thibs both strike me as really good secondary pieces, not "the" guy. Ojulari to be fair was banged up all year...but that makes him another question mark going into next year.
Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.
Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.
Yes. Very fair assessment.
Was kind of strange seeing people act like we were on some kind of roll.
Quoting raw stats like this with no context is wrong. We played the easier part of our schedule early. The final 9 games included 3 vs Philly, 2 vs Minny, 2 vs Wash, and 1 vs Dallas. Those teams had a combined record of 47-20, or 70% winning %. Of course our record would be worse.
In the end we won 9 games and won a road playoff game. Quite an achievement from where we were, and a great building block year.
For us to compete in the NFC East against the Eagles and Cowboys we need to be competitive at the LOS. We are not unfortunately.
We cannot ignore that fact going into free agency and the draft.
Schoen and Daboll have seen that for sure.
Play the perimeter game you might have some nice regular season seasons and get in the playoffs until beaten by a team who has those fronts. Tonight shows the need for one upper tier QR and two good ones alongside.
Good effort by the staff and players this year. Short week didn't help.
Now its Schoen's time to fix it. He can call his mentor Parcells if he needs any help. Welcome to NFCE football. Physical teams is what wins here. Its never changed.
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This feels a lot like the 2005 loss to Carolina.
Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.
Yes. Very fair assessment.
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We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.
LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
On the team.
Play the perimeter game you might have some nice regular season seasons and get in the playoffs until beaten by a team who has those fronts. Tonight shows the need for one upper tier QR and two good ones alongside.
Good effort by the staff and players this year. Short week didn't help.
Now its Schoen's time to fix it. He can call his mentor Parcells if he needs any help. Welcome to NFCE football. Physical teams is what wins here. Its never changed.
Username checks out!! lol
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Joe it's huge
To rebuild from the depths the Giants were/are at, drafts need to be stellar. I'm not sure this year's can be counted as stellar...yet.
Last year the Eagles were the 7th seed and got thumped by Tampa
We can make a leap next year.
It WAS a great, pleasantly unexpected season. We need more talent, and I have to believe an FA or 2 with a couple of years left would be excited to come to the Giants to try to help, while JS drafts at 25, 57, 89 and about 105(the KC pick), along with 1/2 the ‘22 draft class off IR to continue the rebuild
Selfishly, I hope neither Kafka or Martindale get hired. Some continuity would be nice, especially on O. The Eagles true strenghts are along the line of scrimmage. They, have a dominating OL and front 7. That's what the Giants need to shoot for.
Then you missed the 1993 game against the 49ers.
This is not half as bad as losing to the 49ers in that epic collapse in the 4th qtr
We also got spanked in the super bowl by the ravens.
SF 44. NYG 3. 1994,
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.
LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.
I respect and like Daboll, but that doesn't mean he's perfect, Nobody is, but he shouldn't have gone fir it there on 4th and 8 so early in the game before the game itself unfolded. Parcells never would have done that in that situation. He needs to learn from that. In the postgame he was adamant about going for it there since he said they practiced a lot of 4th down stuff during the week.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
There are teams less talented than the Giants who played the Eagles competitively this season
Yes, not ready to play. It happens.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
If they had been mentally prepared it might have been closer. But y’know, maybe not.
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
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This feels a lot like the 2005 loss to Carolina.
Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.
Yes. Very fair assessment.
McAdoos first season. Lots of things fell just right and papered over some bad flaws?
Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.
A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Let down? What the hell. This isn’t about me being let down. It s me making an observation about a team that got gashed on basic running plays from beginning to end,….. the Eagles might be more talented, but they played harder today
Jonathan C on post game just stated,” Eagles played with more heart”
Guess I m in pretty good company
+1
Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.
I don't see that.
2016 was full of drama going into the playoffs with OBJ and the Pips. And then we got rolled.
At least this year, we won a road playoff game. And that sort of certified the season - IMV.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.
A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).
This game was nothing like that 85 Bears game. The Giants were down 7-0 at the half and moved the ball to start that game and ended the half missing a chip shot FG. This game was over after the 1st Quarter.
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
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Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.
Kind of the same thing in the AFC. The only 3 teams I'd fear facing in the AFC right now are the 3 teams that just happen to still be alive: Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals.
Hopefully, with our 11 draft picks and cap space we're able to close the gap with those 6 teams (especially the 2 in our Division) in the offseason.
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
That is a disgusting response, what the hell is wrong with you! Are you 15 years old?
THIS.
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Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.
Well said, MS. Big off-season for Schoen.
They had like 70 sacks on the year..I’d guess 20% of that number came from the 2 games against the giants. The one thing we do consistently against the Eagles is prove we can’t block them.
Was hoping the Giants would play well and play their hearts out as an exclamation on a surprisingly good season.
Instead they went out with barely a whimper. It made for quite difficult viewing that leaves a real bad taste in the mouth.
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Those 2016-2017 teams were bought not homegrown and we're extremely unlikeable as a fan. This team was well coached and very easy to get behind. Snacks, Jenkins, Vernon, Apple, DRC, Flowers etc. just rubbed me the wrong way
THIS.
Watching phillys offense- hat on a hat on running plays. OL getting push and making blocks at second level, WR’s and TE’s, blocking on runs and screens, Giants pass rush non existent.
Meanwhile, Giants couldn’t block anything.
Tackling wise- every play the Philly ball carrier would gain 2,3 yards more than they should have. Sometimes even more. They had more fight, and the Giants defense did an awful job tackling. Meanwhile Giants we’re stopped immediately after every catch and didn’t earn any extra yards.
What respect? Certainly not for tonight’s horrific performance.
The Eagles were an astonishing 10-of-14 on third down.
Meanwhile, the Giants only had three first downs in the first half and only 13 for the game (those other 10 were virtually meaningless because the game was decided by then).
The first two NYG drives ended with turnovers (one on downs and one by a pick).
268 yards rushing allowed? Holy crap.
Eagles were simply the better team. This happens a lot in the playoffs. Fans (including me) get worked up in the Wild Card round when their team wins, but then get bitch slapped back to reality by the #1 or #2 seed in the divisional round.
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Let down? What the hell. This isn’t about me being let down. It s me making an observation about a team that got gashed on basic running plays from beginning to end,….. the Eagles might be more talented, but they played harder today
Jonathan C on post game just stated,” Eagles played with more heart”
Guess I m in pretty good company
Saying things like 'felt too good about themselves' or 'weren't ready to play' those are things angry customers say like clockwork. The Giants played a best of three with Philadelphia and got spanked loudly twice, but we'd rather believe the talent gap isn't so bad, they were simply un-interested or un-prepared.
If that team didn't have an eagle on the helmet you'd be more willing to give them credit for being damn good. We are not recognizing how difficult it is to win 13 games in the NFL because it's Philadelphia.
Watching phillys offense- hat on a hat on running plays. OL getting push and making blocks at second level, WR’s and TE’s, blocking on runs and screens, Giants pass rush non existent.
Meanwhile, Giants couldn’t block anything.
Tackling wise- every play the Philly ball carrier would gain 2,3 yards more than they should have. Sometimes even more. They had more fight, and the Giants defense did an awful job tackling. Meanwhile Giants we’re stopped immediately after every catch and didn’t earn any extra yards.
Well said. Giants carved up at the LOS. Both sides. All night long. Very difficult to watch.
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And tackling. I know, simple…but it really is a simple game sometimes.
Watching phillys offense- hat on a hat on running plays. OL getting push and making blocks at second level, WR’s and TE’s, blocking on runs and screens, Giants pass rush non existent.
Meanwhile, Giants couldn’t block anything.
Tackling wise- every play the Philly ball carrier would gain 2,3 yards more than they should have. Sometimes even more. They had more fight, and the Giants defense did an awful job tackling. Meanwhile Giants we’re stopped immediately after every catch and didn’t earn any extra yards.
Well said. Giants carved up at the LOS. Both sides. All night long. Very difficult to watch.
NYG have been getting carved up along both sides of the LOS consistently vs this team since 2011. It’s well past the point of ridiculous now.
The Eagles were an astonishing 10-of-14 on third down.
Meanwhile, the Giants only had three first downs in the first half and only 13 for the game (those other 10 were virtually meaningless because the game was decided by then).
The first two NYG drives ended with turnovers (one on downs and one by a pick).
268 yards rushing allowed? Holy crap.
Eagles were simply the better team. This happens a lot in the playoffs. Fans (including me) get worked up in the Wild Card round when their team wins, but then get bitch slapped back to reality by the #1 or #2 seed in the divisional round.
Past 10 years the #1 seed beat the # 6 seed 11 out of 13 times in the divisional playoffs. Add this beat down to the record.
Exactly. Precisely. The surge was all the Eagles. The Giants where just so much debris floating in the backwash.
Casillas making some good points about the 4th and 8 call.
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best comment in here.
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At least we had the whole second half to get over the loss.
best comment in here.
Priceless!
“You WANT ‘EM, you can HAVE ‘EM!”
We can get better.
That was me unless someone else said it as well.
Totally irrelevant at this point I recognize, but thought it was interesting just given conversations we've had here throughout the year.
Totally irrelevant at this point I recognize, but thought it was interesting just given conversations we've had here throughout the year.
Yep.
I assumed it was Thibodaux
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Giving respect to the Giants. I think we're heading in the right direction of eagle fans think highly of the Giants
What respect? Certainly not for tonight’s horrific performance.
They have respect because they can see where this team is heading and the people running the show know what they are doing. You've spent an entire year looking for every negative and when an opposing team's fans can see what Daboll and Schoen are building and how they've gotten the players a team to overachiever you complain. They respect the entire season and are worried about the future
You go back to finding things to complain about
The only hope I could draw by yesterday was maybe Hurts won't be 100%. They had the better defense going into this, they had the better offense going into this. I didn't think we'd suffer an all time ass kicking, but here we are....
FA starts in March?
Getting manhandled on both lines was demoralizing.
The ONLY two players who I thought played well were Richie James and Breida. That’s it. Saquon was okay and everyone else just sucked.
That could’ve possibly been Jones and Barkley’s final game in Blue. Let’s hope it Darius Slayton’s. He was a trainwreck tonight.
I said in my preview if we played this team 10 times, we'd probably lose 9 of them. Someone called me out on that, but I stand by that statement.
I wouldn't say that based on a rookie season.
Does not necessarily explain the vicious beat down tonight.
Football is also a game of emotion, energy and willpower and the Giants lost all three in the first half.
It wasn't a miracle. We out-played and out-coached the Vikings.
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
… the beat down we all watched.
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
Sure it does. The Eagles are vastly superior and have a great chance to beat the crap out of the AFC team in the Super Bowl.
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
That is a disgusting response, what the hell is wrong with you! Are you 15 years old?
Thanks man but don’t bother ppl dug their heels in on the qb long ago…. 15 years old was probably right…
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
Why? The only argument I can see for waving off the talent disparity is not wanting to give the opponent some credit.
The Giants were 0-3 against the Eagles and 1-4-1 in the NFC East during the regular season. They are a roster with a lot of work to do.
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
Sure it does. The Eagles are vastly superior and have a great chance to beat the crap out of the AFC team in the Super Bowl.
Oh, well. This is the kind of game that will keep me up all night! And not in a good way!
But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
There’s a range of outcomes that can happen, this one happened to be on the aggressive side of the talent gap. Big talent gap though. Once things got away from us early, and it didn’t take much because of the gap, things snowballed. There are scenarios where this is closer but it’s not 100% correlated with coaching. I actually think certain closer games are indicative of poor coaching, ie the Joe Judge style.
They are loaded. And they have depth.
They are loaded. And they have depth.
I hear ya! They are loaded, indeed! And tonight they unloaded on our Giants.
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
There’s a range of outcomes that can happen, this one happened to be on the aggressive side of the talent gap. Big talent gap though. Once things got away from us early, and it didn’t take much because of the gap, things snowballed. There are scenarios where this is closer but it’s not 100% correlated with coaching. I actually think certain closer games are indicative of poor coaching, ie the Joe Judge style.
Interesting observations!
...and more than 1.3 TDs a game.
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
There’s a range of outcomes that can happen, this one happened to be on the aggressive side of the talent gap. Big talent gap though. Once things got away from us early, and it didn’t take much because of the gap, things snowballed. There are scenarios where this is closer but it’s not 100% correlated with coaching. I actually think certain closer games are indicative of poor coaching, ie the Joe Judge style.
Interesting observations!
We were an upstart. If we would have won it would have been a massive upset.
That was bad. He could easily have thrown it way
He’s not going to “step up” with this same offensive line and these same receivers. If they don’t plan on getting better in those spots, might as well let him walk.
There's always next year?
Does not necessarily explain the vicious beat down tonight.
Football is also a game of emotion, energy and willpower and the Giants lost all three in the first half.
I think this is the disappointing part. It seems like they were flat at the end and allowed them to run up the scoreline. That shouldn't have happened.
@ESPNStatsInfo. Only Russell Wilson ('15 + '16) faced more pressure in a half of a playoff game since ESPN started tracking pressures in '09.
The run defense was terrible. Missed tackles, bad angles, inability to get off blocks, etc. I could not believe how bad they looked. Even the usually solid Julian Love looked bad. In the first quarter alone he tried to tackle 3 guys way too high and they all ran over him. Terrible way to start. And to add insult to injury, a 5’6” RB named Boston Scott continues to embarrass them. Someone needs to let the defense know he’s not Emmitt Smith.
One thing this game showed is how weak they are up the middle. They need to find 2 ILBs in the off-season because neither Smith nor Davis is the answer.
That said, it was a turnaround season for this franchise and the arrow is definitely pointing up. Need to add some talent at WR, IOL, ILB and CB in the off-season through the draft and free agency and keep the ones you have to have (Jones, Barkley, etc).
Meanwhile the DBs didn’t make plays either, except for Jackson.
Cox is HOF, Graham isn't but a very good player. Lane Johnson, Johnson, and they have added some good players.
Expected a loss but this got out of hand early, it happens.
On to the off-season.
Siriani is very fortunate, most new HC hires rarely get that level of talent to start with
^^ THIS was the reason why we lost. Too many people focusing on the wrong things. Running Barkley early, Jones running out of bounds when the game was already over, etc., all does not matter when you are getting steam rolled up front.
The blow out was more due to the team not being able to match the Eagles intensity.
The lucid reminder is this was Year 1 of the rebuild. and it went VERY well. on to Year 2.
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Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.
He’s not going to “step up” with this same offensive line and these same receivers. If they don’t plan on getting better in those spots, might as well let him walk.
Or another DE anyway, can't remember now which side Williams lines up on.
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said 2005 Carolina which was a good comparison. Carolina also ran like 45 times for 250.
That was me unless someone else said it as well.
I didn't know who said but thought it was a good comparison on the game thread. Just wanted to give credit to whoever mentioned it and now that I know it was you nice work on identifying that game.
Not that it ended up making a difference, but was anyone else surprised that they deferred on the opening kickoff? I thought they would have gone out to try and get a lead.
I also thought that on the pick it seemed like Barkley was all alone at the top of the screen and could have had a huge play. Anyone else see that?
Yes, the context and situations were very different, but the soft schedules and records in one score games (9-2 in 2016, 8-3-1 in 2022) were very similar. Had the Giants won the home game against Washington this year, they would have had precisely the same number of wins. Clearly, they bought a defense 2016 which is the only reason they made the playoffs. Which in and of itself is confounding given the fact that McAdoo was a "basketball on grass" guru.
Not saying 2017 is prologue for 2023, but I have never seen a narrative so blatantly wrong as I did on 9/10/2017. After driving twelve hundred miles from the east coast of Florida to Dallas to avoid hurricane Irma, I met up with some friends and family to see the start to the Giants 2017 Super Bowl run at Texas Stadium. I had actually convinced myself that the Giants were a really good team despite the playoff loss to the Packers and just needed some pass catching weapons for Eli. So with the additions of Brandon Marshall and Evan Engram, how could we not win our fifth Lombardi? At the start of the game, I actually raised a glass and said "Here's to Super Bowl LII"! By halftime, I knew the McAdoo tenure was over, and naturally, the Eagles won the Super Bowl.
Inconvenient truths derail narratives. The Giants won precisely one game by more than one score this year, and that was to the Colts, a terrible team who had clearly checked out as evidenced by their loss the following week to the Texans, who were not only very worst team in the NFL, but actually lost the top pick in the 2023 draft by winning the game! Whether the Eagles are the 1985 Bears will be in full evidence over the next game or two. For the Giants sake and the narrative that "we are a year ahead of the rebuild schedule", lets hope indeed they are. My guess is, they aren't.
Agree your 1st sentence, Mike. I thought it was slam dunk delusional to think this was the beginning of a 2007 type run. One of the beats had it: as much as he liked the Vikes matchup, he hated this matchup. As to the rebuild, I am confident that Schoen and Daboll are much better than JR, Gettleman, MacAdoo, et al. It's tough to recoup the ground lost in at least ten years of personnel and cap mismanagement in one year. A lot of work to be done.
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...Inconvenient truths derail narratives. The Giants won precisely one game by more than one score this year, and that was to the Colts, a terrible team who had clearly checked out as evidenced by their loss the following week to the Texans, who were not only very worst team in the NFL, but actually lost the top pick in the 2023 draft by winning the game! Whether the Eagles are the 1985 Bears will be in full evidence over the next game or two. For the Giants sake and the narrative that "we are a year ahead of the rebuild schedule", lets hope indeed they are. My guess is, they aren't.
Agree your 1st sentence, Mike. I thought it was slam dunk delusional to think this was the beginning of a 2007 type run. One of the beats had it: as much as he liked the Vikes matchup, he hated this matchup. As to the rebuild, I am confident that Schoen and Daboll are much better than JR, Gettleman, MacAdoo, et al. It's tough to recoup the ground lost in at least ten years of personnel and cap mismanagement in one year. A lot of work to be done.
I was anti-McAdoo from the start so I completely agree. Daboll is definitely the right guy to lead this team. But as you say, the hardest part of the climb remains ahead of us...
Two years ago, the Giants played the Eagles and Jalen Hurts played abysmally and cost the Eagles the game. After that, most fans vilified Jalen and said he was not an NFL QB.
Nick's system has turned Jalen into an MVP candidate. However, Hurts does not have a strong arm and is not a natural passer. Nick Sirianni deserves a lot of credit.
We were never willing this game.
However, in the moment, I think the play is still to punt there and try to pin them and get your D "comfortable", for lack of a better word.
Two years ago, the Giants played the Eagles and Jalen Hurts played abysmally and cost the Eagles the game. After that, most fans vilified Jalen and said he was not an NFL QB.
Nick's system has turned Jalen into an MVP candidate. However, Hurts does not have a strong arm and is not a natural passer. Nick Sirianni deserves a lot of credit.
Sure. But it's just not that difficult to make good calls/design when you have arguably the best OL in the league, the best WR duo in the league, solid RBs, and a top 5 two-way TE in the league. And oh by the way, all of THAT is backed by one of the most stacked defenses in the league.
Jalen Hurts is an NFL qb. He's obviously proven that. But everything I've just said is why I'm not over the top in my praise of him or Sirianni.