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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/21/2023 11:09 pm
It was a good run.

Giants have a lot of catching up to do.
......  
Route 9 : 1/21/2023 11:10 pm : link
Let the offseason talk begin!
There was a game?  
Kanavis : 1/21/2023 11:10 pm : link
Not sure what there is to discuss. That wasn't a game.
Fugly  
noro9 : 1/21/2023 11:10 pm : link
.
No. 55...  
Gary JC : 1/21/2023 11:10 pm : link
...can find his own way home.
 
IchabodGiant : 1/21/2023 11:11 pm : link
Beat down
Not much to say  
Anakim : 1/21/2023 11:11 pm : link
Daboll had a horrible coaching game
Shane Steichen absolutely spanked Wink
DJ was awful
Our pass-rushers didn't even touch Jalen Hurts



I mean it was just awful all-around. We have a lot of work to do.
Agreed  
shocktheworld : 1/21/2023 11:11 pm : link
This hurt, but what a fun season….plus, now we have hope!!!

We will be better next year!!
RE: No. 55...  
kcgiants : 1/21/2023 11:11 pm : link
In comment 16006518 Gary JC said:
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...can find his own way home.

#44 can keep him company
Well that went well  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 1/21/2023 11:11 pm : link
Burn the tape.
RE: There was a game?  
LittleBlue : 1/21/2023 11:11 pm : link
In comment 16006512 Kanavis said:
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Not sure what there is to discuss. That wasn't a game.


This is really true.

I don’t even know what to critique because the game itself felt like it never started for the giants.
But…  
IchabodGiant : 1/21/2023 11:11 pm : link
What a great season! Far exceeded expectations. Onward and upward
It was a good run  
mittenedman : 1/21/2023 11:11 pm : link
but that was the worst possible performance tonight. I can’t believe they fell down 28-0 by halftime after playing them twice already.

At some point, someone needs to learn something about the Eagles. We look like we have no idea how to play them.
Fun season.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/21/2023 11:11 pm : link

Keep rebuilding. Looking forward to the draft.

Go Niners. Then go AFC
An ugly loss to end the year  
Tony in Tampa : 1/21/2023 11:12 pm : link
Folks shouldn’t forget how far this team has come this season
RE: No. 55...  
Anakim : 1/21/2023 11:12 pm : link
In comment 16006518 Gary JC said:
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...can find his own way home.


Well, Jihad Ward did grow up an Eagles fan...
Obviously the problem was not enough "Jones Is Awesome" threads on BBI  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 1/21/2023 11:12 pm : link
I blame all of you
Wish  
AcidTest : 1/21/2023 11:12 pm : link
we were more competitive, but it was a great year. But we need a great offseason since Philly has three first round draft picks IIRC. Yikes.
It was a fun  
darren in pdx : 1/21/2023 11:12 pm : link
run this year. This offseason is about bolstering the roster to compete with the likes of the Cowboys and Eagles. The Eagles o-line and d-line has dominated the Giants for years.
Ending on a positive note  
MauiYankee : 1/21/2023 11:12 pm : link
First, important players returned from injury.
Second, those players prevented the Eagles from scoring 40 points.
A surprising year. Reasons to be optimistic.
Eagles are scary good all over, and deep  
lawguy9801 : 1/21/2023 11:13 pm : link
Hard to get too angry when the Giants lost to a clearly better team.

But remember that two years ago, the Eagles were nowhere near this good.

Giants’ arrow is pointing up. Excited about the coming years.
RE: It was a good run  
GiantGrit : 1/21/2023 11:13 pm : link
In comment 16006531 mittenedman said:
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but that was the worst possible performance tonight. I can’t believe they fell down 28-0 by halftime after playing them twice already.

At some point, someone needs to learn something about the Eagles. We look like we have no idea how to play them.


They always beat the shit out of us at the LOS. Until we get better upfront nothing will change.
It was a fun year  
Devour the Day : 1/21/2023 11:13 pm : link
A lot to be proud of. Unfortunately it ended the way it did but it showed the need for upgraded talent.
Ok Joe Schoen the ball is in your hands.
Great year  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/21/2023 11:13 pm : link
No complaints… future is bright
How many Giants would start  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/21/2023 11:13 pm : link
on either side of the ball for Philly? 2? 3?
7-2  
bluepepper : 1/21/2023 11:14 pm : link
and then only won 2 of our last 8 or 3 of our last 9 if you include playoffs.

Was kind of strange seeing people act like we were on some kind of roll.
The easy thing to do  
mittenedman : 1/21/2023 11:14 pm : link
is dismiss it as a talent difference but we were supposed to have these great coaches. The Eagles shouldn’t be 28-0 at the half better than us.

Terrible no show, the Eagles wanted it more and it showed.
I dont mind loosing if you are clearly out matched  
Chef : 1/21/2023 11:14 pm : link
But not like that to that fucking team...
Essentially the same roster that won 4 games last year  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/21/2023 11:14 pm : link
Improved 5.5 games. I am excited for next year when we have another draft and more cap space with this regime. Expectations are high but the future is bright.
Our Run Defense  
Giantimistic : 1/21/2023 11:14 pm : link
really hurt us this year. The defense will take a big jump if we can improve in that area.
Opening TD didn’t bother me  
LittleBlue : 1/21/2023 11:14 pm : link
When we had third and short in eagles territory on the next drive and Neal gave up a ludicrously easy sack to end that drive… after that it felt like we were chasing our tails.
This team needs some improvement at the linebacker level  
JoeFootball : 1/21/2023 11:14 pm : link
That includes OLB zero pressure and poor contain as a whole. Kayvon will improve but talent needs to be added going forward.
Hopefully  
Sammo85 : 1/21/2023 11:15 pm : link
Schoen gets the roster better over next two offseasons and keeps eye out for a true franchise QB in next couple years coming out of college.

RE: This team needs some improvement at the linebacker level  
mvftw : 1/21/2023 11:15 pm : link
In comment 16006577 JoeFootball said:
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That includes OLB zero pressure and poor contain as a whole. Kayvon will improve but talent needs to be added going forward.


For a Very Long Time Now...
Well  
Andrew in Austin : 1/21/2023 11:16 pm : link
Great Year that exceeded expectations:.

Eagles showed what the state of the art looks like. We were physically dominated from the get go.

Willl be fun to watch us improve.
team came out flat  
fkap : 1/21/2023 11:16 pm : link
and just got flatter.

Opposing RB runs into a bunch of white and pushed the pile. Our RB runs into a defender and goes down.

DJ was dreadful. He had a lot of company.

Everyone keeps saying talent disparity, but a couple weeks ago the backups put up a better showing.

It was iffy that we would keep it close, let alone win, but the Giants came out looking to lose.
I think there will be some things  
81_Great_Dane : 1/21/2023 11:16 pm : link
on the tape that the players and coaches won’t like. I think the Eagles wanted it more. The Giants thought they were prepared for this game but they were not. This is a good step for them but it’s learning from failure.
I had to turn it off in the 2nd  
JFIB : 1/21/2023 11:16 pm : link
To save myself the heartache. Long way to go.
Best NY Football season in over a decade  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 1/21/2023 11:16 pm : link
I'll take it
Do we get to keep  
BobOnLI : 1/21/2023 11:17 pm : link
Our coaches after this?
RE: This team needs some improvement at the linebacker level  
GiantGrit : 1/21/2023 11:17 pm : link
In comment 16006577 JoeFootball said:
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That includes OLB zero pressure and poor contain as a whole. Kayvon will improve but talent needs to be added going forward.


Ojulari and Thibs both strike me as really good secondary pieces, not "the" guy. Ojulari to be fair was banged up all year...but that makes him another question mark going into next year.
…..  
Micko : 1/21/2023 11:17 pm : link
At least we had the whole second half to get over the loss.
 
christian : 1/21/2023 11:17 pm : link
This feels a lot like the 2005 loss to Carolina.

Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.
The Eagles coach is perfect for Philly  
moespree : 1/21/2023 11:18 pm : link
Arrogant scumbag POS who thinks he's more important than he is. No wonder those fans say "he's one of us".
Jones missed some chances  
Ike#88 : 1/21/2023 11:19 pm : link
We had to have great QB play to be competitive today but I did not see a complete no show by the defense. Especially the front 7. Just brutal beatdown for those groups. Has to be upgraded as we were 0-4 vs Philly and Dallas regular season. Can't continue to be whipping boys in our own division. Lots of roster changes coming.
Did Dabes shake Sirianni's hand at the end of the game?  
Optimus-NY : 1/21/2023 11:20 pm : link
Was wondering cuz I saw him meet up with Hurts, who he's obviously got some positive history with in college, but not sure if he just walked off after that with the new Mike Murphy replacement security guy.
RE: …  
Optimus-NY : 1/21/2023 11:20 pm : link
In comment 16006606 christian said:
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This feels a lot like the 2005 loss to Carolina.

Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.


Yes. Very fair assessment.
RE: 7-2  
PatersonPlank : 1/21/2023 11:21 pm : link
In comment 16006566 bluepepper said:
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and then only won 2 of our last 8 or 3 of our last 9 if you include playoffs.

Was kind of strange seeing people act like we were on some kind of roll.


Quoting raw stats like this with no context is wrong. We played the easier part of our schedule early. The final 9 games included 3 vs Philly, 2 vs Minny, 2 vs Wash, and 1 vs Dallas. Those teams had a combined record of 47-20, or 70% winning %. Of course our record would be worse.

In the end we won 9 games and won a road playoff game. Quite an achievement from where we were, and a great building block year.
It was a surprisingly fun season  
Rick in Dallas : 1/21/2023 11:21 pm : link
We found a good HC and staff.
For us to compete in the NFC East against the Eagles and Cowboys we need to be competitive at the LOS. We are not unfortunately.
We cannot ignore that fact going into free agency and the draft.
Schoen and Daboll have seen that for sure.
This completes year 10  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/21/2023 11:23 pm : link
of having insufficient fronts that Reese started and Dave continued. We have a few to build with. Schoen needs to add more.

Play the perimeter game you might have some nice regular season seasons and get in the playoffs until beaten by a team who has those fronts. Tonight shows the need for one upper tier QR and two good ones alongside.

Good effort by the staff and players this year. Short week didn't help.

Now its Schoen's time to fix it. He can call his mentor Parcells if he needs any help. Welcome to NFCE football. Physical teams is what wins here. Its never changed.
RE: RE: …  
HomerJones45 : 1/21/2023 11:23 pm : link
In comment 16006620 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16006606 christian said:


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This feels a lot like the 2005 loss to Carolina.

Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.



Yes. Very fair assessment.
McAdoos first season. Lots of things fell just right and papered over some bad flaws?
Postgame show is on now.  
Optimus-NY : 1/21/2023 11:24 pm : link
Daboll is at the podium taking questions. See the link below...


Giants Postgame Live: Highlights, interviews, and analysis - ( New Window )
I feel like Daboll had his worst night  
Chris684 : 1/21/2023 11:24 pm : link
In my opinion, there is never a good enough reason to go for it on 4th and 8 near midfield before the game has had a chance to find itself. By pushing it there and failing to convert, we were contributing to the avalanche rather than attempting to stop it.

We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.

LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.
Well, that game sucked  
OlyWABigBlue : 1/21/2023 11:24 pm : link
The Jints were beaten in every phase of the game. I hope the FO, the coaching staff and the players all learn something from it. Even though this was a beatdown, there is more optimism going into this offseason than there has been for many years.
Talent gap  
joeinpa : 1/21/2023 11:24 pm : link
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.

This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.

Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.

It was a fun year... Giants played meaningful ball into mid January  
Larry in Pencilvania : 1/21/2023 11:24 pm : link
They were outclassed and probably out coached. The talent difference was huge. The Giants have a ton of work to do. Schoen and Browne need to get to work and improve the talent. There's tons to look forward to. Finally the future is bright and I'm excited after years of giving up
On the team.
I'm not upset we lost. I expected it.  
islander1 : 1/21/2023 11:25 pm : link
It's how uncompetitive we were that gets me.
RE: This completes year 10  
GiantGrit : 1/21/2023 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16006636 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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of having insufficient fronts that Reese started and Dave continued. We have a few to build with. Schoen needs to add more.

Play the perimeter game you might have some nice regular season seasons and get in the playoffs until beaten by a team who has those fronts. Tonight shows the need for one upper tier QR and two good ones alongside.

Good effort by the staff and players this year. Short week didn't help.

Now its Schoen's time to fix it. He can call his mentor Parcells if he needs any help. Welcome to NFCE football. Physical teams is what wins here. Its never changed.


Username checks out!! lol
,  
Banks : 1/21/2023 11:25 pm : link
I live outside of philly. The fan interviews are making my blood boil. I hate the eagles
Eagles always beat us in the trenches  
kelly : 1/21/2023 11:25 pm : link
Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.

Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
NYG among the elite 8  
bluefin : 1/21/2023 11:25 pm : link
I’ll take it
RE: Talent gap  
Larry in Pencilvania : 1/21/2023 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16006648 joeinpa said:
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.

This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.

Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.


Joe it's huge
there's still a lot of questions  
fkap : 1/21/2023 11:27 pm : link
about this year's draft class. I wouldn't count it as a good class until they step forward next year.

To rebuild from the depths the Giants were/are at, drafts need to be stellar. I'm not sure this year's can be counted as stellar...yet.
We made the playoffs  
cjac : 1/21/2023 11:27 pm : link
And won a playoff game

Last year the Eagles were the 7th seed and got thumped by Tampa

We can make a leap next year.
RE: Wish  
Joe Beckwith : 1/21/2023 11:27 pm : link
In comment 16006545 AcidTest said:
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we were more competitive, but it was a great year. But we need a great offseason since Philly has three first round draft picks IIRC. Yikes.


It WAS a great, pleasantly unexpected season. We need more talent, and I have to believe an FA or 2 with a couple of years left would be excited to come to the Giants to try to help, while JS drafts at 25, 57, 89 and about 105(the KC pick), along with 1/2 the ‘22 draft class off IR to continue the rebuild
all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown  
Producer : 1/21/2023 11:29 pm : link
I can remember the Giants suffering in a playoff game.
In a perverse sentiment we should thank the Eagles for illustrating  
ConsistentGiantFan : 1/21/2023 11:30 pm : link
areas of our football performance which need a vast amount of improvement.
On to the off season.  
Matt M. : 1/21/2023 11:31 pm : link
Thank you to the players, coaches, and front office for a great season. They far exceeded expectations and the odds. That said, this game showed just how much work they have ahead.

Selfishly, I hope neither Kafka or Martindale get hired. Some continuity would be nice, especially on O. The Eagles true strenghts are along the line of scrimmage. They, have a dominating OL and front 7. That's what the Giants need to shoot for.
RE: all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/21/2023 11:31 pm : link
In comment 16006677 Producer said:
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I can remember the Giants suffering in a playoff game.


Then you missed the 1993 game against the 49ers.
RE: all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown  
DefenseWins : 1/21/2023 11:31 pm : link
In comment 16006677 Producer said:
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I can remember the Giants suffering in a playoff game.


This is not half as bad as losing to the 49ers in that epic collapse in the 4th qtr

RE: all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown  
DefenseWins : 1/21/2023 11:32 pm : link
In comment 16006677 Producer said:
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I can remember the Giants suffering in a playoff game.


We also got spanked in the super bowl by the ravens.
No reason to bring any of these players back  
ArcadeSlumlord : 1/21/2023 11:32 pm : link
if they are going to get swept perennially by the Cowpukes and Shegals. POINTLESS! Embarrassing!
Tough loss  
Sean : 1/21/2023 11:32 pm : link
For all the comparisons to 2007, this turned out to be 1993. I thought the Giants were due to beat Philly, but the gap is still too great. Great season, but until this franchise can beat Philly & Dallas they haven’t arrived. Have to close the gap.
RE: all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown  
joeinpa : 1/21/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16006677 Producer said:
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I can remember the Giants suffering in a playoff game.


SF 44. NYG 3. 1994,
RE: Eagles always beat us in the trenches  
ArcadeSlumlord : 1/21/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16006655 kelly said:
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.

Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.


This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
RE: I feel like Daboll had his worst night  
Optimus-NY : 1/21/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16006644 Chris684 said:
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In my opinion, there is never a good enough reason to go for it on 4th and 8 near midfield before the game has had a chance to find itself. By pushing it there and failing to convert, we were contributing to the avalanche rather than attempting to stop it.

We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.

LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.


I respect and like Daboll, but that doesn't mean he's perfect, Nobody is, but he shouldn't have gone fir it there on 4th and 8 so early in the game before the game itself unfolded. Parcells never would have done that in that situation. He needs to learn from that. In the postgame he was adamant about going for it there since he said they practiced a lot of 4th down stuff during the week.
RE: Talent gap  
Sean : 1/21/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16006648 joeinpa said:
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.

This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.

Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.

Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
Another poster in the game thread  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/21/2023 11:35 pm : link
said 2005 Carolina which was a good comparison. Carolina also ran like 45 times for 250.
RE: RE: Talent gap  
joeinpa : 1/21/2023 11:38 pm : link
In comment 16006704 Sean said:
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In comment 16006648 joeinpa said:


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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.

This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.

Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.



Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.


There are teams less talented than the Giants who played the Eagles competitively this season

Yes, not ready to play. It happens.
RE: Talent gap  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2023 11:39 pm : link
In comment 16006648 joeinpa said:
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.

This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.

Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.


I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
RE: RE: Talent gap  
81_Great_Dane : 1/21/2023 11:39 pm : link
In comment 16006704 Sean said:
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In comment 16006648 joeinpa said:


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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.

This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.

Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.



Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
I think it was both. Huge talent gap but they weren’t really prepared. There were plays where it looked like the Eagles wanted it more.

If they had been mentally prepared it might have been closer. But y’know, maybe not.
RE: RE: Talent gap  
81_Great_Dane : 1/21/2023 11:40 pm : link
In comment 16006727 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16006648 joeinpa said:


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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.

This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.

Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.




I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Agree.
RE: RE: RE: …  
The Mike : 1/21/2023 11:41 pm : link
In comment 16006638 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 16006606 christian said:


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This feels a lot like the 2005 loss to Carolina.

Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.



Yes. Very fair assessment.

McAdoos first season. Lots of things fell just right and papered over some bad flaws?


Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.
great job boys  
jmalls23 : 1/21/2023 11:43 pm : link
Daboll is a stud. We need Schoen to prove he can use the $ right. What he did with the shit Gettleman left us with is incredible. The 4th down call was irrelevant
I don’t think it’s like 2016 at all  
Sean : 1/21/2023 11:43 pm : link
That’s an awful comparison. They bought a $200M defense. This team was in cap hell. Totally different.
The better team won and as much as it pains people to admit it,  
Optimus-NY : 1/21/2023 11:43 pm : link
the RIGHT team won. The Giants have work to do in order to get past the Eagles. Probably two off-seasons worth of work. They'll get helped by the Eagles' cap situation as well as impending free agents and players who are a little on the older side. The Eagles though will have a high pick to help them (the Saints' 10th pick in the first round in three months I believe?). Gotta suck it up and deal with it. Eagles and Niners will play in the NFC Title Game next week. Take solace in the likelihood that Dallas will join the NYGs watching it after the 69ers end their season tomorrow.
RE: RE: Eagles always beat us in the trenches  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/21/2023 11:47 pm : link
In comment 16006700 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.

Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.



This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.


Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
Bright moments ahead  
royhobbs7 : 1/21/2023 11:47 pm : link
Although we took our lumps from the Eagles, there are lessons learned which we can upgrade. Significant upgrades are needed at LB, especially at MIKE.
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.

A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).
Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles  
The_Boss : 1/21/2023 11:52 pm : link
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
RE: RE: Talent gap  
joeinpa : 1/21/2023 11:54 pm : link
In comment 16006727 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16006648 joeinpa said:


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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.

This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.

Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.




I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.


Let down? What the hell. This isn’t about me being let down. It s me making an observation about a team that got gashed on basic running plays from beginning to end,….. the Eagles might be more talented, but they played harder today

Jonathan C on post game just stated,” Eagles played with more heart”
Guess I m in pretty good company
RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles  
Optimus-NY : 1/21/2023 11:55 pm : link
In comment 16006792 The_Boss said:
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Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.


+1
RE: RE: RE: RE: …  
bw in dc : 1/21/2023 11:55 pm : link
In comment 16006743 The Mike said:
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Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.


I don't see that.

2016 was full of drama going into the playoffs with OBJ and the Pips. And then we got rolled.

At least this year, we won a road playoff game. And that sort of certified the season - IMV.
RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles  
Sean : 1/21/2023 11:57 pm : link
In comment 16006792 The_Boss said:
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Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.

This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?

Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
RE: Bright moments ahead  
Optimus-NY : 1/21/2023 11:57 pm : link
In comment 16006769 royhobbs7 said:
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Although we took our lumps from the Eagles, there are lessons learned which we can upgrade. Significant upgrades are needed at LB, especially at MIKE.
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.

A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).


This game was nothing like that 85 Bears game. The Giants were down 7-0 at the half and moved the ball to start that game and ended the half missing a chip shot FG. This game was over after the 1st Quarter.
RE: RE: RE: Eagles always beat us in the trenches  
ArcadeSlumlord : 1/21/2023 11:59 pm : link
In comment 16006767 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.

Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.



This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.



Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table


There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
RE: RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 12:03 am : link
In comment 16006806 Sean said:
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Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.


This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?

Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.

Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.
This was nothing like 2016  
Larry in Pencilvania : 1/22/2023 12:03 am : link
Those 2016-2017 teams were bought not homegrown and we're extremely unlikeable as a fan. This team was well coached and very easy to get behind. Snacks, Jenkins, Vernon, Apple, DRC, Flowers etc. just rubbed me the wrong way
Not the ending any of us wanted.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/22/2023 12:03 am : link
But we have our head coach and QB going forward, and that's the most important thing. I feel like in the "class system" of the best teams in the NFL right now; the Giants went from last year being one of the most "poor" teams in the league, to this year jumping into the "upper middle class." The only teams in the NFC I think are much better than us right now are the 3 teams that remain in the postseason: Philly, Dallas, and SF. Outside of those 3 teams, I think we can beat any team in the NFC. It just sucks that 2 of those 3 teams are in the same Division as us AND those 2 teams rarely suffer significant injuries like we do literally every regular season.

Kind of the same thing in the AFC. The only 3 teams I'd fear facing in the AFC right now are the 3 teams that just happen to still be alive: Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals.

Hopefully, with our 11 draft picks and cap space we're able to close the gap with those 6 teams (especially the 2 in our Division) in the offseason.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Eagles always beat us in the trenches  
joeinpa : 1/22/2023 12:03 am : link
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.

Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.



This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.



Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table



There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.


That is a disgusting response, what the hell is wrong with you! Are you 15 years old?
RE: This was nothing like 2016  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2023 12:09 am : link
In comment 16006828 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Those 2016-2017 teams were bought not homegrown and we're extremely unlikeable as a fan. This team was well coached and very easy to get behind. Snacks, Jenkins, Vernon, Apple, DRC, Flowers etc. just rubbed me the wrong way


THIS.
RE: RE: RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles  
Sean : 1/22/2023 12:10 am : link
In comment 16006826 M.S. said:
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Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.


This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?

Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.


Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.

Well said, MS. Big off-season for Schoen.
As I said in my preview  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2023 12:11 am : link
the Eagle defense is for some reason very underrated by fans (not just Giants fans).
Did Landon Collins play  
yalebowl : 1/22/2023 12:14 am : link
Tonight?
RE: As I said in my preview  
The_Boss : 1/22/2023 12:18 am : link
In comment 16006852 Eric from BBI said:
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the Eagle defense is for some reason very underrated by fans (not just Giants fans).


They had like 70 sacks on the year..I’d guess 20% of that number came from the 2 games against the giants. The one thing we do consistently against the Eagles is prove we can’t block them.
I was prepared for a loss tonight  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 12:18 am : link
But I never saw that sort of destruction occurring.

Was hoping the Giants would play well and play their hearts out as an exclamation on a surprisingly good season.

Instead they went out with barely a whimper. It made for quite difficult viewing that leaves a real bad taste in the mouth.
RE: RE: This was nothing like 2016  
Larry in Pencilvania : 1/22/2023 12:19 am : link
In comment 16006843 Eric from BBI said:
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Those 2016-2017 teams were bought not homegrown and we're extremely unlikeable as a fan. This team was well coached and very easy to get behind. Snacks, Jenkins, Vernon, Apple, DRC, Flowers etc. just rubbed me the wrong way



THIS.
And to expand on that I even questioned being a fan of the team because the players and the coach made it bad to be a fan.
Ummm... I'm getting texts from Eagle fans  
Larry in Pencilvania : 1/22/2023 12:21 am : link
Giving respect to the Giants. I think we're heading in the right direction of eagle fans think highly of the Giants
This game came down to blocking  
Breeze_94 : 1/22/2023 12:21 am : link
And tackling. I know, simple…but it really is a simple game sometimes.

Watching phillys offense- hat on a hat on running plays. OL getting push and making blocks at second level, WR’s and TE’s, blocking on runs and screens, Giants pass rush non existent.

Meanwhile, Giants couldn’t block anything.

Tackling wise- every play the Philly ball carrier would gain 2,3 yards more than they should have. Sometimes even more. They had more fight, and the Giants defense did an awful job tackling. Meanwhile Giants we’re stopped immediately after every catch and didn’t earn any extra yards.
RE: Ummm... I'm getting texts from Eagle fans  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 12:22 am : link
In comment 16006870 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Giving respect to the Giants. I think we're heading in the right direction of eagle fans think highly of the Giants

What respect? Certainly not for tonight’s horrific performance.
Stating the obvious  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2023 12:24 am : link
football is a game of sustaining drives.

The Eagles were an astonishing 10-of-14 on third down.

Meanwhile, the Giants only had three first downs in the first half and only 13 for the game (those other 10 were virtually meaningless because the game was decided by then).

The first two NYG drives ended with turnovers (one on downs and one by a pick).

268 yards rushing allowed? Holy crap.

Eagles were simply the better team. This happens a lot in the playoffs. Fans (including me) get worked up in the Wild Card round when their team wins, but then get bitch slapped back to reality by the #1 or #2 seed in the divisional round.
RE: RE: RE: Talent gap  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/22/2023 12:24 am : link
In comment 16006796 joeinpa said:
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.

This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.

Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.




I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.



Let down? What the hell. This isn’t about me being let down. It s me making an observation about a team that got gashed on basic running plays from beginning to end,….. the Eagles might be more talented, but they played harder today

Jonathan C on post game just stated,” Eagles played with more heart”
Guess I m in pretty good company


Saying things like 'felt too good about themselves' or 'weren't ready to play' those are things angry customers say like clockwork. The Giants played a best of three with Philadelphia and got spanked loudly twice, but we'd rather believe the talent gap isn't so bad, they were simply un-interested or un-prepared.

If that team didn't have an eagle on the helmet you'd be more willing to give them credit for being damn good. We are not recognizing how difficult it is to win 13 games in the NFL because it's Philadelphia.

RE: This game came down to blocking  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 12:24 am : link
In comment 16006871 Breeze_94 said:
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And tackling. I know, simple…but it really is a simple game sometimes.

Watching phillys offense- hat on a hat on running plays. OL getting push and making blocks at second level, WR’s and TE’s, blocking on runs and screens, Giants pass rush non existent.

Meanwhile, Giants couldn’t block anything.

Tackling wise- every play the Philly ball carrier would gain 2,3 yards more than they should have. Sometimes even more. They had more fight, and the Giants defense did an awful job tackling. Meanwhile Giants we’re stopped immediately after every catch and didn’t earn any extra yards.

Well said. Giants carved up at the LOS. Both sides. All night long. Very difficult to watch.
RE: RE: This game came down to blocking  
The_Boss : 1/22/2023 12:27 am : link
In comment 16006880 M.S. said:
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And tackling. I know, simple…but it really is a simple game sometimes.

Watching phillys offense- hat on a hat on running plays. OL getting push and making blocks at second level, WR’s and TE’s, blocking on runs and screens, Giants pass rush non existent.

Meanwhile, Giants couldn’t block anything.

Tackling wise- every play the Philly ball carrier would gain 2,3 yards more than they should have. Sometimes even more. They had more fight, and the Giants defense did an awful job tackling. Meanwhile Giants we’re stopped immediately after every catch and didn’t earn any extra yards.


Well said. Giants carved up at the LOS. Both sides. All night long. Very difficult to watch.


NYG have been getting carved up along both sides of the LOS consistently vs this team since 2011. It’s well past the point of ridiculous now.
Upon every snap, on offense or defense,  
CT Charlie : 1/22/2023 12:28 am : link
the surge of the line of scrimmage went the wrong way, quickly.
RE: Stating the obvious  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 12:29 am : link
In comment 16006877 Eric from BBI said:
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football is a game of sustaining drives.

The Eagles were an astonishing 10-of-14 on third down.

Meanwhile, the Giants only had three first downs in the first half and only 13 for the game (those other 10 were virtually meaningless because the game was decided by then).

The first two NYG drives ended with turnovers (one on downs and one by a pick).

268 yards rushing allowed? Holy crap.

Eagles were simply the better team. This happens a lot in the playoffs. Fans (including me) get worked up in the Wild Card round when their team wins, but then get bitch slapped back to reality by the #1 or #2 seed in the divisional round.

Past 10 years the #1 seed beat the # 6 seed 11 out of 13 times in the divisional playoffs. Add this beat down to the record.
RE: Upon every snap, on offense or defense,  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 12:31 am : link
In comment 16006885 CT Charlie said:
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the surge of the line of scrimmage went the wrong way, quickly.

Exactly. Precisely. The surge was all the Eagles. The Giants where just so much debris floating in the backwash.
WFAN Postgame Radio Show is still on.  
Optimus-NY : 1/22/2023 12:33 am : link
Check out the link below...


Casillas making some good points about the 4th and 8 call.


WFAN Postgame Radio Show - Lance Meadow and Jonathan Casillas - ( New Window )
RE: …..  
thefan : 1/22/2023 12:34 am : link
In comment 16006603 Micko said:
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At least we had the whole second half to get over the loss.


best comment in here.
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M.S. : 1/22/2023 12:36 am : link
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At least we had the whole second half to get over the loss.



best comment in here.

Priceless!
I was getting angry seeing Indy, Houston and the bottom feeder teams  
Modzelewski : 1/22/2023 12:38 am : link
Request interviews with Kafka & Martindale. After this game, as Johnny Friendly says in “On the Waterfront” —
“You WANT ‘EM, you can HAVE ‘EM!”

We can get better.
RE: Another poster in the game thread  
thefan : 1/22/2023 12:39 am : link
In comment 16006708 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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said 2005 Carolina which was a good comparison. Carolina also ran like 45 times for 250.


That was me unless someone else said it as well.
Did anyone else hear  
Sprintfish : 1/22/2023 12:41 am : link
the field mic pick up one of our frustrated D-linemen at one point screaming "I'm being f'ing held!" (or something along those lines)?

Totally irrelevant at this point I recognize, but thought it was interesting just given conversations we've had here throughout the year.
congrats on a great season  
federer70 : 1/22/2023 12:42 am : link
just didn't play well tonight to me, but obviously knew the cinderella ride may end sooner than later. really didn't see a talent gap, but an execution gap. the msg post-game show just mentioned on the int, that saquon was in the flat vs a DE - oh well :-). perhaps we burnt out after last week? just a very, very flat game. really hard to know what to do in the offseason with a talented rb who's perhaps lost a step, and is not a big rushes guy? and a qb we didn't ask to do a lot, and sometimes perhaps doesn't look great vs adversity? plus obviously we need upgrades on d and o - since we have to have big play capability since you cannot grind out 10-15 play drives all the time :-). will be an interesting post-season.
RE: Did anyone else hear  
jnoble : 1/22/2023 12:43 am : link
In comment 16006912 Sprintfish said:
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the field mic pick up one of our frustrated D-linemen at one point screaming "I'm being f'ing held!" (or something along those lines)?

Totally irrelevant at this point I recognize, but thought it was interesting just given conversations we've had here throughout the year.


Yep.
I assumed it was Thibodaux
RE: RE: Ummm... I'm getting texts from Eagle fans  
Larry in Pencilvania : 1/22/2023 12:47 am : link
In comment 16006874 M.S. said:
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Giving respect to the Giants. I think we're heading in the right direction of eagle fans think highly of the Giants


What respect? Certainly not for tonight’s horrific performance.


They have respect because they can see where this team is heading and the people running the show know what they are doing. You've spent an entire year looking for every negative and when an opposing team's fans can see what Daboll and Schoen are building and how they've gotten the players a team to overachiever you complain. They respect the entire season and are worried about the future

You go back to finding things to complain about
After that first Philly score  
thefan : 1/22/2023 12:49 am : link
I tried talking myself into saying well this will just be like the Vikings game. The truth is, after the glow of the wildcard game wore off I began doubting this game more and more. By kickoff I wasn't even excited and was hoping the team would kick me out of the funk... and then it got worse.

The only hope I could draw by yesterday was maybe Hurts won't be 100%. They had the better defense going into this, they had the better offense going into this. I didn't think we'd suffer an all time ass kicking, but here we are....

FA starts in March?
It was what it was.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/22/2023 12:53 am : link
They simply aren’t good enough and at some point, it’s about the Jimmies and Joes, not the X’s and O’s. Eagles are one of the 2 or 3 most talented teams in the NFL. The Giants aren’t even remotely close to that.

Getting manhandled on both lines was demoralizing.

The ONLY two players who I thought played well were Richie James and Breida. That’s it. Saquon was okay and everyone else just sucked.

That could’ve possibly been Jones and Barkley’s final game in Blue. Let’s hope it Darius Slayton’s. He was a trainwreck tonight.

Rough games for the first round picks…  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/22/2023 1:02 am : link
Thibodeaux’s ceiling is Osi. He’ll never be able to play the run to an elite level. Did you see how lost he was on the screen pass to Smith? Rough
Hammer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2023 1:02 am : link
is correct as I just posted on another thread. In the two games that mattered to the Giants against the Eagles, we got spanked. It wasn't close. It wasn't a play here or there.

I said in my preview if we played this team 10 times, we'd probably lose 9 of them. Someone called me out on that, but I stand by that statement.
RE: Rough games for the first round picks…  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2023 1:03 am : link
In comment 16006927 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Thibodeaux’s ceiling is Osi. He’ll never be able to play the run to an elite level. Did you see how lost he was on the screen pass to Smith? Rough


I wouldn't say that based on a rookie season.
The talent gap between these two teams  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 1:04 am : link

Does not necessarily explain the vicious beat down tonight.

Football is also a game of emotion, energy and willpower and the Giants lost all three in the first half.

beating the vikes was a miracle  
jmalls23 : 1/22/2023 1:10 am : link
Tonight we were crushed both sides of the ball. Anyone who saw differently is blind. Well done Giants
RE: beating the vikes was a miracle  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2023 1:20 am : link
In comment 16006941 jmalls23 said:
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Tonight we were crushed both sides of the ball. Anyone who saw differently is blind. Well done Giants


It wasn't a miracle. We out-played and out-coached the Vikings.
I don’t know about you guys  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 1:24 am : link

But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.
RE: I don’t know about you guys  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 1:25 am : link
In comment 16006949 M.S. said:
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.

… the beat down we all watched.
RE: I don’t know about you guys  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2023 1:25 am : link
In comment 16006949 M.S. said:
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.


Sure it does. The Eagles are vastly superior and have a great chance to beat the crap out of the AFC team in the Super Bowl.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Eagles always beat us in the trenches  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/22/2023 1:25 am : link
In comment 16006830 joeinpa said:
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.

Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.



This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.



Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table



There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.



That is a disgusting response, what the hell is wrong with you! Are you 15 years old?


Thanks man but don’t bother ppl dug their heels in on the qb long ago…. 15 years old was probably right…
The Eagles looked faster and more physical  
ajr2456 : 1/22/2023 1:26 am : link
It was like watching Alabama vs Vanderbilt. Work cut out for Shcoen this spring, but we’re on the right path.
RE: I don’t know about you guys  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/22/2023 1:27 am : link
In comment 16006949 M.S. said:
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.


Why? The only argument I can see for waving off the talent disparity is not wanting to give the opponent some credit.

The Giants were 0-3 against the Eagles and 1-4-1 in the NFC East during the regular season. They are a roster with a lot of work to do.


Y
RE: RE: I don’t know about you guys  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 1:30 am : link
In comment 16006951 Eric from BBI said:
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.



Sure it does. The Eagles are vastly superior and have a great chance to beat the crap out of the AFC team in the Super Bowl.

Oh, well. This is the kind of game that will keep me up all night! And not in a good way!
RE: I don’t know about you guys  
AcesUp : 1/22/2023 1:30 am : link
In comment 16006949 M.S. said:
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.


There’s a range of outcomes that can happen, this one happened to be on the aggressive side of the talent gap. Big talent gap though. Once things got away from us early, and it didn’t take much because of the gap, things snowballed. There are scenarios where this is closer but it’s not 100% correlated with coaching. I actually think certain closer games are indicative of poor coaching, ie the Joe Judge style.
M.S.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2023 1:32 am : link
Just look at the facts. Philly is top-3 on BOTH offense and defense. Their QB was headed to league MVP before he got hurt. As you are so fond of pointing out all of the time, trenches matter. And no team in the NFL is better on both sides of the ball. They have two studs at WR and two CBs who can cover.

They are loaded. And they have depth.
I can’t wrap my head around Jones  
ajr2456 : 1/22/2023 1:32 am : link
Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.
RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 1:37 am : link
In comment 16006961 Eric from BBI said:
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Just look at the facts. Philly is top-3 on BOTH offense and defense. Their QB was headed to league MVP before he got hurt. As you are so fond of pointing out all of the time, trenches matter. And no team in the NFL is better on both sides of the ball. They have two studs at WR and two CBs who can cover.

They are loaded. And they have depth.

I hear ya! They are loaded, indeed! And tonight they unloaded on our Giants.
RE: RE: I don’t know about you guys  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 1:38 am : link
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.



There’s a range of outcomes that can happen, this one happened to be on the aggressive side of the talent gap. Big talent gap though. Once things got away from us early, and it didn’t take much because of the gap, things snowballed. There are scenarios where this is closer but it’s not 100% correlated with coaching. I actually think certain closer games are indicative of poor coaching, ie the Joe Judge style.

Interesting observations!
RE: I can’t wrap my head around Jones  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/22/2023 1:44 am : link
In comment 16006962 ajr2456 said:
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Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.


...and more than 1.3 TDs a game.
RE: RE: RE: I don’t know about you guys  
Producer : 1/22/2023 1:52 am : link
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But I for one am stunned at the utter collapse of the Giants tonight. I’ve read countless posts about how much more talent the Eagles have. But that talent gap alone can not fully explain the best down we all watched.



There’s a range of outcomes that can happen, this one happened to be on the aggressive side of the talent gap. Big talent gap though. Once things got away from us early, and it didn’t take much because of the gap, things snowballed. There are scenarios where this is closer but it’s not 100% correlated with coaching. I actually think certain closer games are indicative of poor coaching, ie the Joe Judge style.


Interesting observations!


We were an upstart. If we would have won it would have been a massive upset.
RE: I can’t wrap my head around Jones  
Vanzetti : 1/22/2023 2:03 am : link
In comment 16006962 ajr2456 said:
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Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.


That was bad. He could easily have thrown it way
RE: I can’t wrap my head around Jones  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/22/2023 2:09 am : link
In comment 16006962 ajr2456 said:
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Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.


He’s not going to “step up” with this same offensive line and these same receivers. If they don’t plan on getting better in those spots, might as well let him walk.
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Route 9 : 1/22/2023 2:42 am : link
Cut the shit and enough with the excuses and face some facts for once in your life. That was a boneheaded decision.
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Route 9 : 1/22/2023 2:43 am : link
Oh well. Glad to see everybody feels good.

There's always next year?
RE: The talent gap between these two teams  
Festina Lente : 1/22/2023 3:47 am : link
In comment 16006931 M.S. said:
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Does not necessarily explain the vicious beat down tonight.

Football is also a game of emotion, energy and willpower and the Giants lost all three in the first half.


I think this is the disappointing part. It seems like they were flat at the end and allowed them to run up the scoreline. That shouldn't have happened.
Years of bad drafts have consequences!  
joe48 : 1/22/2023 5:45 am : link
We a lot of catching up to do. So many people have spent years debating the QB when we need to fix the trenches on both sides of the ball.
Coaching outpaced the talent  
jeff57 : 1/22/2023 6:28 am : link
There are still serioys holes on the OL, the receivers and the linebackers. And they need another 3-4 DE.
Protection  
jeff57 : 1/22/2023 6:38 am : link
Daniel Jones was pressured on 64% of his dropbacks in the first half, per
@ESPNStatsInfo. Only Russell Wilson ('15 + '16) faced more pressure in a half of a playoff game since ESPN started tracking pressures in '09.
Giants-Philly Post Game  
johnboyw : 1/22/2023 6:44 am : link
Right out of the gate, the Giants did not appear to be ready for this one and, unfortunately for them, Philly was absolutely ready.

The run defense was terrible. Missed tackles, bad angles, inability to get off blocks, etc. I could not believe how bad they looked. Even the usually solid Julian Love looked bad. In the first quarter alone he tried to tackle 3 guys way too high and they all ran over him. Terrible way to start. And to add insult to injury, a 5’6” RB named Boston Scott continues to embarrass them. Someone needs to let the defense know he’s not Emmitt Smith.

One thing this game showed is how weak they are up the middle. They need to find 2 ILBs in the off-season because neither Smith nor Davis is the answer.

That said, it was a turnaround season for this franchise and the arrow is definitely pointing up. Need to add some talent at WR, IOL, ILB and CB in the off-season through the draft and free agency and keep the ones you have to have (Jones, Barkley, etc).
Run defense was bad all season  
RCPhoenix : 1/22/2023 7:24 am : link
Philly made sure Dexter Lawrence didn’t beat them and the inside LBs didn’t make plays.

Meanwhile the DBs didn’t make plays either, except for Jackson.
Daboll got about as much out of the  
bc4life : 1/22/2023 7:29 am : link
talent on this team as he could. People forget that there are still some key players from the Eagles' Super Bowl team.

Cox is HOF, Graham isn't but a very good player. Lane Johnson, Johnson, and they have added some good players.


Expected a loss but this got out of hand early, it happens.

On to the off-season.
and Kelce  
bc4life : 1/22/2023 7:31 am : link
was on that team too. added Clay, Bradberry, Smith, & Brown.

Siriani is very fortunate, most new HC hires rarely get that level of talent to start with
RE: Upon every snap, on offense or defense,  
DefenseWins : 1/22/2023 7:43 am : link
In comment 16006885 CT Charlie said:
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the surge of the line of scrimmage went the wrong way, quickly.


^^ THIS was the reason why we lost. Too many people focusing on the wrong things. Running Barkley early, Jones running out of bounds when the game was already over, etc., all does not matter when you are getting steam rolled up front.
Scheme can only take you so far  
Dave on the UWS : 1/22/2023 7:51 am : link
its just "possible", that when they emptied the tank against Minn., they were never able to reload it. The were NEVER going to win this game, not with the intensity Philly played at. (if they keep this up they win the SB, no question).
The blow out was more due to the team not being able to match the Eagles intensity.
The lucid reminder is this was Year 1 of the rebuild. and it went VERY well. on to Year 2.
RE: RE: I can’t wrap my head around Jones  
HomerJones45 : 1/22/2023 8:12 am : link
In comment 16006983 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 16006962 ajr2456 said:


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Ending up out of bounds on the 2nd and 1. He had a great stretch at the end of the year, but next year we need to see a step up against quality opponents.



He’s not going to “step up” with this same offensive line and these same receivers. If they don’t plan on getting better in those spots, might as well let him walk.
He played like vintage Jones; the Eagles re-produced the Jones defensive game plan that had gone missing the last month or so- pressure the passer, jump the short routes, contain the off-script runs, produce the inaccurate passes, gather the turnovers. Jones is an enigma wrapped in a riddle.
OLB's playing DE  
HarryCarson53 : 1/22/2023 8:13 am : link
Can't stop the run with a 2-man line. This d-line needs a true 2-way LDE to line up opposite Thibs. Find a new OLB to drop back and cover.
RE: OLB's playing DE  
HarryCarson53 : 1/22/2023 8:14 am : link
In comment 16007122 HarryCarson53 said:
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Can't stop the run with a 2-man line. This d-line needs a true 2-way LDE to line up opposite Thibs. Find a new OLB to drop back and cover.

Or another DE anyway, can't remember now which side Williams lines up on.
RE: The Eagles looked faster and more physical  
HomerJones45 : 1/22/2023 8:19 am : link
In comment 16006954 ajr2456 said:
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It was like watching Alabama vs Vanderbilt. Work cut out for Shcoen this spring, but we’re on the right path.
That little shit Roseman has done a great job. Let's not forget Hurts was a mid-round 2nd round pick. When you can get a league MVP type season out of a second rounder, you are way ahead of the game.
RE: RE: Another poster in the game thread  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/22/2023 8:38 am : link
In comment 16006910 thefan said:
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In comment 16006708 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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said 2005 Carolina which was a good comparison. Carolina also ran like 45 times for 250.



That was me unless someone else said it as well.


I didn't know who said but thought it was a good comparison on the game thread. Just wanted to give credit to whoever mentioned it and now that I know it was you nice work on identifying that game.
It was a good season for the Giants regardless, but it's clear that  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2023 9:27 am : link
the 1st Eagles game was the true display of the talent differential between the teams. The Giants just don't match up in too many areas. They're 2-3 good draft and FA classes away. But at least the FO and Coaching is in place.

Not that it ended up making a difference, but was anyone else surprised that they deferred on the opening kickoff? I thought they would have gone out to try and get a lead.

I also thought that on the pick it seemed like Barkley was all alone at the top of the screen and could have had a huge play. Anyone else see that?


RE: I don’t think it’s like 2016 at all  
The Mike : 1/22/2023 9:27 am : link
In comment 16006751 Sean said:
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That’s an awful comparison. They bought a $200M defense. This team was in cap hell. Totally different.


Yes, the context and situations were very different, but the soft schedules and records in one score games (9-2 in 2016, 8-3-1 in 2022) were very similar. Had the Giants won the home game against Washington this year, they would have had precisely the same number of wins. Clearly, they bought a defense 2016 which is the only reason they made the playoffs. Which in and of itself is confounding given the fact that McAdoo was a "basketball on grass" guru.

Not saying 2017 is prologue for 2023, but I have never seen a narrative so blatantly wrong as I did on 9/10/2017. After driving twelve hundred miles from the east coast of Florida to Dallas to avoid hurricane Irma, I met up with some friends and family to see the start to the Giants 2017 Super Bowl run at Texas Stadium. I had actually convinced myself that the Giants were a really good team despite the playoff loss to the Packers and just needed some pass catching weapons for Eli. So with the additions of Brandon Marshall and Evan Engram, how could we not win our fifth Lombardi? At the start of the game, I actually raised a glass and said "Here's to Super Bowl LII"! By halftime, I knew the McAdoo tenure was over, and naturally, the Eagles won the Super Bowl.

Inconvenient truths derail narratives. The Giants won precisely one game by more than one score this year, and that was to the Colts, a terrible team who had clearly checked out as evidenced by their loss the following week to the Texans, who were not only very worst team in the NFL, but actually lost the top pick in the 2023 draft by winning the game! Whether the Eagles are the 1985 Bears will be in full evidence over the next game or two. For the Giants sake and the narrative that "we are a year ahead of the rebuild schedule", lets hope indeed they are. My guess is, they aren't.
RE: I don’t think it’s like 2016 at all  
ColHowPepper : 1/22/2023 9:42 am : link
In comment 16007262 The Mike said:
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...Inconvenient truths derail narratives. The Giants won precisely one game by more than one score this year, and that was to the Colts, a terrible team who had clearly checked out as evidenced by their loss the following week to the Texans, who were not only very worst team in the NFL, but actually lost the top pick in the 2023 draft by winning the game! Whether the Eagles are the 1985 Bears will be in full evidence over the next game or two. For the Giants sake and the narrative that "we are a year ahead of the rebuild schedule", lets hope indeed they are. My guess is, they aren't.

Agree your 1st sentence, Mike. I thought it was slam dunk delusional to think this was the beginning of a 2007 type run. One of the beats had it: as much as he liked the Vikes matchup, he hated this matchup. As to the rebuild, I am confident that Schoen and Daboll are much better than JR, Gettleman, MacAdoo, et al. It's tough to recoup the ground lost in at least ten years of personnel and cap mismanagement in one year. A lot of work to be done.
RE: RE: I don’t think it’s like 2016 at all  
The Mike : 1/22/2023 11:09 am : link
In comment 16007293 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 16007262 The Mike said:


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...Inconvenient truths derail narratives. The Giants won precisely one game by more than one score this year, and that was to the Colts, a terrible team who had clearly checked out as evidenced by their loss the following week to the Texans, who were not only very worst team in the NFL, but actually lost the top pick in the 2023 draft by winning the game! Whether the Eagles are the 1985 Bears will be in full evidence over the next game or two. For the Giants sake and the narrative that "we are a year ahead of the rebuild schedule", lets hope indeed they are. My guess is, they aren't.


Agree your 1st sentence, Mike. I thought it was slam dunk delusional to think this was the beginning of a 2007 type run. One of the beats had it: as much as he liked the Vikes matchup, he hated this matchup. As to the rebuild, I am confident that Schoen and Daboll are much better than JR, Gettleman, MacAdoo, et al. It's tough to recoup the ground lost in at least ten years of personnel and cap mismanagement in one year. A lot of work to be done.


I was anti-McAdoo from the start so I completely agree. Daboll is definitely the right guy to lead this team. But as you say, the hardest part of the climb remains ahead of us...
Nick Sirianni  
jacob12 : 1/22/2023 1:03 pm : link
I think many Giant fans are highly underrating Nick Sirianni as a coach. The Eagles are organized and disciplined.

Two years ago, the Giants played the Eagles and Jalen Hurts played abysmally and cost the Eagles the game. After that, most fans vilified Jalen and said he was not an NFL QB.

Nick's system has turned Jalen into an MVP candidate. However, Hurts does not have a strong arm and is not a natural passer. Nick Sirianni deserves a lot of credit.








in retrospect...  
BillKo : 1/22/2023 1:12 pm : link
going for it on 4th and 8 in the 1st quarter really didn't matter much, considering how well the Eagles ran the ball at will.

We were never willing this game.

However, in the moment, I think the play is still to punt there and try to pin them and get your D "comfortable", for lack of a better word.
RE: Nick Sirianni  
Giantfan in skinland : 1/22/2023 3:21 pm : link
In comment 16007907 jacob12 said:
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I think many Giant fans are highly underrating Nick Sirianni as a coach. The Eagles are organized and disciplined.

Two years ago, the Giants played the Eagles and Jalen Hurts played abysmally and cost the Eagles the game. After that, most fans vilified Jalen and said he was not an NFL QB.

Nick's system has turned Jalen into an MVP candidate. However, Hurts does not have a strong arm and is not a natural passer. Nick Sirianni deserves a lot of credit.









Sure. But it's just not that difficult to make good calls/design when you have arguably the best OL in the league, the best WR duo in the league, solid RBs, and a top 5 two-way TE in the league. And oh by the way, all of THAT is backed by one of the most stacked defenses in the league.

Jalen Hurts is an NFL qb. He's obviously proven that. But everything I've just said is why I'm not over the top in my praise of him or Sirianni.
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