In my opinion, there is never a good enough reason to go for it on 4th and 8 near midfield before the game has had a chance to find itself. By pushing it there and failing to convert, we were contributing to the avalanche rather than attempting to stop it.
We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.
LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.
The Jints were beaten in every phase of the game. I hope the FO, the coaching staff and the players all learn something from it. Even though this was a beatdown, there is more optimism going into this offseason than there has been for many years.
They were outclassed and probably out coached. The talent difference was huge. The Giants have a ton of work to do. Schoen and Browne need to get to work and improve the talent. There's tons to look forward to. Finally the future is bright and I'm excited after years of giving up
On the team.
of having insufficient fronts that Reese started and Dave continued. We have a few to build with. Schoen needs to add more.
Play the perimeter game you might have some nice regular season seasons and get in the playoffs until beaten by a team who has those fronts. Tonight shows the need for one upper tier QR and two good ones alongside.
Good effort by the staff and players this year. Short week didn't help.
Now its Schoen's time to fix it. He can call his mentor Parcells if he needs any help. Welcome to NFCE football. Physical teams is what wins here. Its never changed.
we were more competitive, but it was a great year. But we need a great offseason since Philly has three first round draft picks IIRC. Yikes.
It WAS a great, pleasantly unexpected season. We need more talent, and I have to believe an FA or 2 with a couple of years left would be excited to come to the Giants to try to help, while JS drafts at 25, 57, 89 and about 105(the KC pick), along with 1/2 the ‘22 draft class off IR to continue the rebuild
all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown
Thank you to the players, coaches, and front office for a great season. They far exceeded expectations and the odds. That said, this game showed just how much work they have ahead.
Selfishly, I hope neither Kafka or Martindale get hired. Some continuity would be nice, especially on O. The Eagles true strenghts are along the line of scrimmage. They, have a dominating OL and front 7. That's what the Giants need to shoot for.
RE: all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown
For all the comparisons to 2007, this turned out to be 1993. I thought the Giants were due to beat Philly, but the gap is still too great. Great season, but until this franchise can beat Philly & Dallas they haven’t arrived. Have to close the gap.
RE: all in all a positive year but that was the worst beatdown
In my opinion, there is never a good enough reason to go for it on 4th and 8 near midfield before the game has had a chance to find itself. By pushing it there and failing to convert, we were contributing to the avalanche rather than attempting to stop it.
We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.
LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.
I respect and like Daboll, but that doesn't mean he's perfect, Nobody is, but he shouldn't have gone fir it there on 4th and 8 so early in the game before the game itself unfolded. Parcells never would have done that in that situation. He needs to learn from that. In the postgame he was adamant about going for it there since he said they practiced a lot of 4th down stuff during the week.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
There are teams less talented than the Giants who played the Eagles competitively this season
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
I think it was both. Huge talent gap but they weren’t really prepared. There were plays where it looked like the Eagles wanted it more.
If they had been mentally prepared it might have been closer. But y’know, maybe not.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.
Yes. Very fair assessment.
McAdoos first season. Lots of things fell just right and papered over some bad flaws?
Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.
Daboll is a stud. We need Schoen to prove he can use the $ right. What he did with the shit Gettleman left us with is incredible. The 4th down call was irrelevant
the RIGHT team won. The Giants have work to do in order to get past the Eagles. Probably two off-seasons worth of work. They'll get helped by the Eagles' cap situation as well as impending free agents and players who are a little on the older side. The Eagles though will have a high pick to help them (the Saints' 10th pick in the first round in three months I believe?). Gotta suck it up and deal with it. Eagles and Niners will play in the NFC Title Game next week. Take solace in the likelihood that Dallas will join the NYGs watching it after the 69ers end their season tomorrow.
Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
Although we took our lumps from the Eagles, there are lessons learned which we can upgrade. Significant upgrades are needed at LB, especially at MIKE.
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.
A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Let down? What the hell. This isn’t about me being let down. It s me making an observation about a team that got gashed on basic running plays from beginning to end,….. the Eagles might be more talented, but they played harder today
Jonathan C on post game just stated,” Eagles played with more heart”
Guess I m in pretty good company
RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.
I don't see that.
2016 was full of drama going into the playoffs with OBJ and the Pips. And then we got rolled.
At least this year, we won a road playoff game. And that sort of certified the season - IMV.
RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Although we took our lumps from the Eagles, there are lessons learned which we can upgrade. Significant upgrades are needed at LB, especially at MIKE.
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.
A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).
This game was nothing like that 85 Bears game. The Giants were down 7-0 at the half and moved the ball to start that game and ended the half missing a chip shot FG. This game was over after the 1st Quarter.
Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
RE: RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.
Those 2016-2017 teams were bought not homegrown and we're extremely unlikeable as a fan. This team was well coached and very easy to get behind. Snacks, Jenkins, Vernon, Apple, DRC, Flowers etc. just rubbed me the wrong way
But we have our head coach and QB going forward, and that's the most important thing. I feel like in the "class system" of the best teams in the NFL right now; the Giants went from last year being one of the most "poor" teams in the league, to this year jumping into the "upper middle class." The only teams in the NFC I think are much better than us right now are the 3 teams that remain in the postseason: Philly, Dallas, and SF. Outside of those 3 teams, I think we can beat any team in the NFC. It just sucks that 2 of those 3 teams are in the same Division as us AND those 2 teams rarely suffer significant injuries like we do literally every regular season.
Kind of the same thing in the AFC. The only 3 teams I'd fear facing in the AFC right now are the 3 teams that just happen to still be alive: Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals.
Hopefully, with our 11 draft picks and cap space we're able to close the gap with those 6 teams (especially the 2 in our Division) in the offseason.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Eagles always beat us in the trenches
Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
That is a disgusting response, what the hell is wrong with you! Are you 15 years old?
Those 2016-2017 teams were bought not homegrown and we're extremely unlikeable as a fan. This team was well coached and very easy to get behind. Snacks, Jenkins, Vernon, Apple, DRC, Flowers etc. just rubbed me the wrong way
THIS.
RE: RE: RE: Giants are probably 2 years away from the Eagles
Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.
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We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.
LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
On the team.
Play the perimeter game you might have some nice regular season seasons and get in the playoffs until beaten by a team who has those fronts. Tonight shows the need for one upper tier QR and two good ones alongside.
Good effort by the staff and players this year. Short week didn't help.
Now its Schoen's time to fix it. He can call his mentor Parcells if he needs any help. Welcome to NFCE football. Physical teams is what wins here. Its never changed.
Username checks out!! lol
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Joe it's huge
To rebuild from the depths the Giants were/are at, drafts need to be stellar. I'm not sure this year's can be counted as stellar...yet.
Last year the Eagles were the 7th seed and got thumped by Tampa
We can make a leap next year.
It WAS a great, pleasantly unexpected season. We need more talent, and I have to believe an FA or 2 with a couple of years left would be excited to come to the Giants to try to help, while JS drafts at 25, 57, 89 and about 105(the KC pick), along with 1/2 the ‘22 draft class off IR to continue the rebuild
Selfishly, I hope neither Kafka or Martindale get hired. Some continuity would be nice, especially on O. The Eagles true strenghts are along the line of scrimmage. They, have a dominating OL and front 7. That's what the Giants need to shoot for.
Then you missed the 1993 game against the 49ers.
This is not half as bad as losing to the 49ers in that epic collapse in the 4th qtr
We also got spanked in the super bowl by the ravens.
SF 44. NYG 3. 1994,
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
We can talk a lot about talent but a lot of players had their worst night of the season. To my eye, Love, Lawrence and Jones played as poor as they had all season.
LB and WR was where we were non-competitive tonight. Out of that group only Richie James showed up.
I respect and like Daboll, but that doesn't mean he's perfect, Nobody is, but he shouldn't have gone fir it there on 4th and 8 so early in the game before the game itself unfolded. Parcells never would have done that in that situation. He needs to learn from that. In the postgame he was adamant about going for it there since he said they practiced a lot of 4th down stuff during the week.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
There are teams less talented than the Giants who played the Eagles competitively this season
Yes, not ready to play. It happens.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
Not ready to play? That’s quite the accusation. They just weren’t good enough. There were some posters that called out how bad the Vikings defense was, but a lot of people didn’t want to hear it. This was a step up in class.
If they had been mentally prepared it might have been closer. But y’know, maybe not.
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
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This feels a lot like the 2005 loss to Carolina.
Giants need to bank two more good draft classes, and they’ll be in business.
Yes. Very fair assessment.
McAdoos first season. Lots of things fell just right and papered over some bad flaws?
Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.
A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).
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Isn’t significant enough to warrant that type of beat down.
This team was feeling too good about themselves, they were not ready to play.
Probably the worse coaching job of the season pre game and during game.
I always find it alarming how willing Giants fans are to believe that their own team let them down, rather than give a 13 win team credit for being excellent.
Let down? What the hell. This isn’t about me being let down. It s me making an observation about a team that got gashed on basic running plays from beginning to end,….. the Eagles might be more talented, but they played harder today
Jonathan C on post game just stated,” Eagles played with more heart”
Guess I m in pretty good company
+1
Feels exactly like 2016 for me as well. Very easy schedule and some balls bounced our way that usually don't. And here I got seduced into thinking this was either 1984 or 2007. Silly me. My apologies to the board for the optimistic drivel I posted here during this past week.
I don't see that.
2016 was full of drama going into the playoffs with OBJ and the Pips. And then we got rolled.
At least this year, we won a road playoff game. And that sort of certified the season - IMV.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Similarly, we need a Center who can dominate on the offensive line. What a difference facing Eagles’ center, Kelce than the Vikings’ center, Bradbury.
A few of you mentioned a similarity between this game and the playoff game vs. the Panthers. Good call. But I think an even better call was the Giants’ playoff loss to the 85’ Bears who shut us out (with Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense).
This game was nothing like that 85 Bears game. The Giants were down 7-0 at the half and moved the ball to start that game and ended the half missing a chip shot FG. This game was over after the 1st Quarter.
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
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Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.
Kind of the same thing in the AFC. The only 3 teams I'd fear facing in the AFC right now are the 3 teams that just happen to still be alive: Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals.
Hopefully, with our 11 draft picks and cap space we're able to close the gap with those 6 teams (especially the 2 in our Division) in the offseason.
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Our offensive line still stinks and our front seven cannot stop the run.
Until that is fixed we aren't going to win a champion ship.
This and our 40m/yr QB gets the shakes every time he see's a bird or a cowboy.
Lol. Jones is a stud. He’s on a Houston Texans team that has a good coach. Just wait till he has the horses… I swear this has to be the only fan base who has never appreciated their qb… even one that brought 2 rings to the table
There is a serious fentanyl problem in this country. You are exhibit 1.
That is a disgusting response, what the hell is wrong with you! Are you 15 years old?
THIS.
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Cannot expect to find all the answers this coming spring. They need an alpha type WR, maybe one #2..guys like James and Hodgins are #4/5 WR’s on a top level team, help at CB, better LB’s..can we count on Ojulari to stay healthy? They need more depth along the DL and the interior of the OL is screaming for better players. 2 years.
This “x amount of years” is so overstated. How many years were the Giants from the divisional round of the playoffs last January? 3?
Eagles have to pay Hurts. They will take a step back. Giants might too, who knows.
Giants are several steps behind the Eagles. It’s now up to Joe Schoen to find the warriors we need to compete with an Eagles team that owns the Giants lock, stock snd barrel.
Well said, MS. Big off-season for Schoen.