Is any team giving him 16 mil? If so guess he’s gone… love the player but not paying him $16 mil on the team as constructed now. He should take the $12 and be part of the story. What say u BBI
With the agility…… seen some good straight line speed this year but mostly just that…. Team guy so wouks love to resign him but not at 16 mill. I think Raheem Mostert is a better back right now than barkley
it's bothersome that they felt they couldn't count on him tonight
I'm not sure who is to blame for this, but if he isn't going to be the cornerstone of your offense in big games against defenses that are GREAT against the pass, then let him go somewhere else.
With the agility…… seen some good straight line speed this year but mostly just that…. Team guy so wouks love to resign him but not at 16 mill. I think Raheem Mostert is a better back right now than barkley
He had one play where he took a shoulder shot and he winced and called himself out for the next play. That being said, I don’t break the bank for SB or for any running back. High 2nd contracts for a RB is rarely a good move
worth $16MM/per and SB is unfortunately no where close to the best RB in the league. Since his rookie year he has not been dependable. The bottom line is that he is easily replaceable with someone who will give you 90% of his production/value at a much lower cost. If you want to overpay the running back pay Tony Pollard. He is a substantial upgrade. I wouldn't give him $16 or $12 or even $10. Maybe $8. Can't imagine he will take that.
It sucks because he has left everything on the field this year
And balled out like i never thought he would but you simply cannot spend stupid money on a RB and expect to be taken seriously in this league. Especially when there are so many other needs. SF can afford the luxury we can't.
I think the best scenario for the Giants would be to sign Jones
Tag Barkley and trade him.
The team should get a decent 2nd.
The problem for the Giants is that he is not a workhorse at this point. His body breaks down. You have to wonder what his production will be on this next contract. I would not want to be the one paying it.
Better to use those resource on improving the OL and the WR.
That different games call for different game plans.
But the fact that the coaching staff didn’t feel that their best plans of attack the last 2 weeks should include handing him the ball 20 times tells me all I need to know about how much money this team should (or shouldn’t…) allocate to the RB1 position.
That’s not a criticism of Barkley nor the coaching staff.
But they want the ball in the QB’s hands.
It’s about asset allocation. Maybe a tag makes sense, but a CMC deal does not.
RE: I think the best scenario for the Giants would be to sign Jones
Tag Barkley and trade him.
The team should get a decent 2nd.
The problem for the Giants is that he is not a workhorse at this point. His body breaks down. You have to wonder what his production will be on this next contract. I would not want to be the one paying it.
Better to use those resource on improving the OL and the WR.
You can't tag a player and trade him. The Eagles went through that with Nick Foles. This is the old CBA, I think, but it read:
A Club extending a Required Tender must, for so long as that Tender is extended, have a good faith intention to employ the player receiving the Tender at the Tender compensation level during the upcoming season.
back in 2019.
RE: it's bothersome that they felt they couldn't count on him tonight
I'm not sure who is to blame for this, but if he isn't going to be the cornerstone of your offense in big games against defenses that are GREAT against the pass, then let him go somewhere else.
I agree. At first I thought Daboll/Kafka were overconfident in the passing game, but that's not it.
They would've leaned on the running game if Barkley was healthy. Watching him repeatedly take himself out of the game made it clear he wasn't healthy enough to run the ball 20 times.
It's unfortunate, but it seems a gamble to hope he can stay healthy throughout a season. Dabolls use of him vs Houston didn't help either.
To any type of contract that will impede the talent building process. It was always a bad draft pick, but now they cannot double down on that by taking up any noticeable piece of the cap on him. They need to acquire more talent on the lines and at WR, it’s just how the league works.
paid as one. I would say a contract in the 10-11 mill mark is appropriate to bring him back. Maybe just two years. For a pass catching RB his first down numbers on receiving plays is abysmal. I like Kenny McIntosh a RB from Georgia in the draft. He excels on receiving and is a good runner also. If we could get him in the third round we should. He would be a good complement to Barkley.
it doesn't matter if its Barkley, Jim Brown, or Ron Dayne when they get dominated. Philly and Dallas defense dominated our OL.
You take that money towards Barkley and instead pivot to sign an anchor for interior that also helps Jones, and draft a new RB, sign a cheap FA for a year to platoon.
RE: The fact they didn’t lean on him the last two weeks SCREAMS
Yet he’s clearly a top 5 RB if not top 3 in the entire NFL.
Watch other RBs. Barkley is a terrific player.
You wanted him to run harder and tougher this year and he did that. He had over a dozen BIG plays this season. Documented. And now we’re killing him for getting caught from behind.
We have like one or two players here making a lot of money, long term. We’re gonna pay players this offseason. Relax.
1) this staff, and this offense, is not built or designed around a running game
2) this staff doesn’t believe Barkley si the guy to lean on.
If that’s the case, either due to the player of system, it’s hard to imagine he being brought back, yet alone at an elite player level salary.
I like the player, LOVE the person. But regardless if it’s 1, 2 or both - hate the salary.
Guy was a top 5 rb in rushing yards, attempts, receptions, 20+ yard gains, but yeah, don't pay him. SMH.
Pay the man. He'll be 26 next season, not 36. He's a top running back, and closest to a sure thing as we have on the offense.
I have to disagree Homer. One of the big problems with Barkley is that he is not a sure thing or even close to it. He is still capable of having a dominating performance from time to time. However, they are coming with less and less frequency. He's still a good back and maybe will be for another year (or two at the most). He's just not in fact a "sure thing" and is therefore not deserving of a huge contract in terms of RB level contracts.
Of him getting caught from behind. Guy rarely seems to house the big run.
There is truth to this. He doesn't have that next gear. Hop jump twist and spin and off but he's not taking it to the house like Tiki could or Bradshaw for that matter.
LOL. No.
Personally I was shocked he didn’t have a ton of touches in a game like tonight. Felt like Daboll and co had a very poor game plan
signing Barkley to a big RB contract is because the Giants don’t have any WR’s and likely won’t have big upgrades next year either.
The team should get a decent 2nd.
The problem for the Giants is that he is not a workhorse at this point. His body breaks down. You have to wonder what his production will be on this next contract. I would not want to be the one paying it.
Better to use those resource on improving the OL and the WR.
But the fact that the coaching staff didn’t feel that their best plans of attack the last 2 weeks should include handing him the ball 20 times tells me all I need to know about how much money this team should (or shouldn’t…) allocate to the RB1 position.
That’s not a criticism of Barkley nor the coaching staff.
But they want the ball in the QB’s hands.
It’s about asset allocation. Maybe a tag makes sense, but a CMC deal does not.
The team should get a decent 2nd.
The problem for the Giants is that he is not a workhorse at this point. His body breaks down. You have to wonder what his production will be on this next contract. I would not want to be the one paying it.
Better to use those resource on improving the OL and the WR.
A Club extending a Required Tender must, for so long as that Tender is extended, have a good faith intention to employ the player receiving the Tender at the Tender compensation level during the upcoming season.
back in 2019.
I agree. At first I thought Daboll/Kafka were overconfident in the passing game, but that's not it.
They would've leaned on the running game if Barkley was healthy. Watching him repeatedly take himself out of the game made it clear he wasn't healthy enough to run the ball 20 times.
It's unfortunate, but it seems a gamble to hope he can stay healthy throughout a season. Dabolls use of him vs Houston didn't help either.
And they're subject to sudden depreciation Once they put enough miles on the odometer, they're done.
Paying big money for an RB's second contract rarely works out well.
Keep the rotation of bodies on the field fluid. Spread the dollars prudently amongst guys at different points on their career path.
Giving Barkley a raise doesn't make the Giants better.
1) this staff, and this offense, is not built or designed around a running game
2) this staff doesn’t believe Barkley si the guy to lean on.
If that’s the case, either due to the player of system, it’s hard to imagine he being brought back, yet alone at an elite player level salary.
I like the player, LOVE the person. But regardless if it’s 1, 2 or both - hate the salary.
You take that money towards Barkley and instead pivot to sign an anchor for interior that also helps Jones, and draft a new RB, sign a cheap FA for a year to platoon.
1) this staff, and this offense, is not built or designed around a running game
2) this staff doesn’t believe Barkley si the guy to lean on.
If that’s the case, either due to the player of system, it’s hard to imagine he being brought back, yet alone at an elite player level salary.
I like the player, LOVE the person. But regardless if it’s 1, 2 or both - hate the salary.
Pay the man. He'll be 26 next season, not 36. He's a top running back, and closest to a sure thing as we have on the offense.
Watch other RBs. Barkley is a terrific player.
You wanted him to run harder and tougher this year and he did that. He had over a dozen BIG plays this season. Documented. And now we’re killing him for getting caught from behind.
We have like one or two players here making a lot of money, long term. We’re gonna pay players this offseason. Relax.
Watch other players.
Barkley and jones were the only players here keeping DCs up at night. That matters. Some of you are lost.
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One of two things
1) this staff, and this offense, is not built or designed around a running game
2) this staff doesn’t believe Barkley si the guy to lean on.
If that’s the case, either due to the player of system, it’s hard to imagine he being brought back, yet alone at an elite player level salary.
I like the player, LOVE the person. But regardless if it’s 1, 2 or both - hate the salary.
Guy was a top 5 rb in rushing yards, attempts, receptions, 20+ yard gains, but yeah, don't pay him. SMH.
Pay the man. He'll be 26 next season, not 36. He's a top running back, and closest to a sure thing as we have on the offense.
I have to disagree Homer. One of the big problems with Barkley is that he is not a sure thing or even close to it. He is still capable of having a dominating performance from time to time. However, they are coming with less and less frequency. He's still a good back and maybe will be for another year (or two at the most). He's just not in fact a "sure thing" and is therefore not deserving of a huge contract in terms of RB level contracts.
Barkley and jones were the only players here keeping DCs up at night. That matters. Some of you are lost.
So giving them both big raises makes the Giants better next year how?
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Take into account the OL. The wrs.
Barkley and jones were the only players here keeping DCs up at night. That matters. Some of you are lost.
So giving them both big raises makes the Giants better next year how?
The OL makes every other position better.