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Spider43 : 1/22/2023 4:28 am
Not quite the ringing endorsement I was expecting from him. If he's playing it coy, he's doing a great job starting out the negotiations. I underrated him this season, in many respects.

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I have always thought there is a  
mfjmfj : 1/22/2023 5:00 am : link
substantive risk that DJ does not want to stay. He could be pissed that the option wasn't picked up. We have surrounded him with lousy talent his whole time here and bad coaching until now. The fans often suck. Simple mind experiment. Switch QBs last night and the game outcome is the same. Why wait to rebuild if he can go somewhere the parts exist already?

Worst case scenario. We tag him and he holds out. That kills the whole year.
Yeah not getting any hometown discount  
Blue Dream : 1/22/2023 5:30 am : link
Want to help build something special vibe off him.
After investing 4 years of his career here  
joe48 : 1/22/2023 5:31 am : link
So as someone mentioned more than once his scholarship should have ended. Maybe he wasn’t thrilled with the how the organization failed to support him. There may be a few teams that view him as more than a “Bridge QB.”
Daboll's comments...  
bluewave : 1/22/2023 5:41 am : link
No different from Daboll's comments. He was asked again on Daniel and his progress and says, and I'm paraphrasing, "Daniel has been the same all year long. He's done a good job, everyone has done a good job. The team has done a good job of concentrating on the process..."

When you read that, it almost seems like he's going to look hard at the draft. Even after the season, he doesn't want to compliment him too much.
RE: Daboll's comments...  
.McL. : 1/22/2023 5:46 am : link
In comment 16007018 bluewave said:
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No different from Daboll's comments. He was asked again on Daniel and his progress and says, and I'm paraphrasing, "Daniel has been the same all year long. He's done a good job, everyone has done a good job. The team has done a good job of concentrating on the process..."

When you read that, it almost seems like he's going to look hard at the draft. Even after the season, he doesn't want to compliment him too much.

Both sides have to negotiate... Daniel saying anything like he loves NY or is looking forward to being back or whater too positive reduces his leverage. Similarly, if the Giants are too effusive, they lose leverage.

So noboay is going to say anything much right now.
RE: RE: Daboll's comments...  
Producer : 1/22/2023 5:59 am : link
In comment 16007021 .McL. said:
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No different from Daboll's comments. He was asked again on Daniel and his progress and says, and I'm paraphrasing, "Daniel has been the same all year long. He's done a good job, everyone has done a good job. The team has done a good job of concentrating on the process..."

When you read that, it almost seems like he's going to look hard at the draft. Even after the season, he doesn't want to compliment him too much.


Both sides have to negotiate... Daniel saying anything like he loves NY or is looking forward to being back or whater too positive reduces his leverage. Similarly, if the Giants are too effusive, they lose leverage.

So noboay is going to say anything much right now.


I really don't think public comments affect leverage too much unless they talk specific contract details in the media which nobody really does. The Giants offers and Jones' team's replies will speak for themselves. he wasn't good tonight. I think he still gets a deal from them, but is his ceiling limited? The Giants need to think about it. I think Jones lost money tonight. But still will make a pretty penny with at least 2 guaranteed years, probably north of 30.
RE: RE: RE: Daboll's comments...  
.McL. : 1/22/2023 6:14 am : link
In comment 16007024 Producer said:
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No different from Daboll's comments. He was asked again on Daniel and his progress and says, and I'm paraphrasing, "Daniel has been the same all year long. He's done a good job, everyone has done a good job. The team has done a good job of concentrating on the process..."

When you read that, it almost seems like he's going to look hard at the draft. Even after the season, he doesn't want to compliment him too much.


Both sides have to negotiate... Daniel saying anything like he loves NY or is looking forward to being back or whater too positive reduces his leverage. Similarly, if the Giants are too effusive, they lose leverage.

So noboay is going to say anything much right now.



I really don't think public comments affect leverage too much unless they talk specific contract details in the media which nobody really does. The Giants offers and Jones' team's replies will speak for themselves. he wasn't good tonight. I think he still gets a deal from them, but is his ceiling limited? The Giants need to think about it. I think Jones lost money tonight. But still will make a pretty penny with at least 2 guaranteed years, probably north of 30.

He did not play well... I doubt he lost money, but certainly he is capped.
Let the analyzing  
TrueBlue56 : 1/22/2023 6:36 am : link
Of every word said and what wasn't said be disected to the nth degree.

The giants view on Daniel Jones will not be effected by his performance last night. Same as it is with kafka and Martindale as head coach candidates for other teams.

The truth will all come out when negotiations start. The giants hold the cards. If they are committed to Jones, then they will offer him a contract accordingly. If they can't reach an agreement, the giants can franchise tag him.

Daniel Jones has always been coy with the media. Accepts all of the blame and never points fingers. Daboll has been the same as well.

No one will be able to read what Jones or the giants think or feel from anything they say (or don't say) in comments to the press. Trying to do so is an exercise in futility, but hey have at it.
It’s a good point  
Sean : 1/22/2023 7:07 am : link
We all just assume Jones wants to stay, but maybe he doesn’t. Carolina needs a QB.
RE: It’s a good point  
mfsd : 1/22/2023 7:19 am : link
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We all just assume Jones wants to stay, but maybe he doesn’t. Carolina needs a QB.


I think he’ll see value in sticking with a coaching staff that has a clue at last.

But this notion that just bc a bunch of fans on BBI like to run him down he’s going to take a bridge deal or well below QB market value has always been a pipe dream

If Giants don’t want to pay him, there are at least a half dozen other teams that will line up to do so
He uses past tense  
Sean : 1/22/2023 7:22 am : link
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Art Stapleton
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Daniel Jones: “Like I said, we will cross that bridge when we get there. I really enjoyed playing here. I appreciate all of those guys in the locker room. It is a special group of guys and I have really enjoyed being a part of it."
DJ's earned the tag, but really not more.  
chick310 : 1/22/2023 7:24 am : link
If the interest is to give a QB $35M/year for multiple years becasue he can be an impactful player against the Indy and Minn defenses of the league then he's your guy.

But don't we want a QB that can hold his own and more against the league's better defenses. And somebody that can go toe-to-toe and beat the two most important teams that we have to face 4 times (and sometimes more), the Cowboys and Eagles.

The team got out-classed last night on both sides of the ball, not just at QB. But if our impact players are guys like DJ then they have to be able to keep us in the same zipcode of tough matchups for longer than a quarter or so. However, that is 0-5 against these better divisional rivals in case you missed it. So I ask again, how does giving big raises to DJ and Saquon really make the NY Giants a better team?

There is enough to like in 2022 to use the tag to see if his curve keeps ascending in 2023. Maybe with another few pieces on offense. Meanwhile, keep looking to the draft for more promise.
FT is a last resort for the team  
giantBCP : 1/22/2023 7:31 am : link
and a clear win for DJ. $32m guaranteed for a single season is big money, and would give him a higher cap hit than he’d likely see in any long term deal. He’d also have the flexibility of seeing whether Schoen can improve the roster that is clearly lacking in many areas. I feel that Jones thinks of himself as an elite player, and won’t be recognized as such if he stays with this team in its current state.
RE: FT is a last resort for the team  
Sean : 1/22/2023 7:32 am : link
In comment 16007065 giantBCP said:
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and a clear win for DJ. $32m guaranteed for a single season is big money, and would give him a higher cap hit than he’d likely see in any long term deal. He’d also have the flexibility of seeing whether Schoen can improve the roster that is clearly lacking in many areas. I feel that Jones thinks of himself as an elite player, and won’t be recognized as such if he stays with this team in its current state.

I don’t think Schoen views him as elite. If that’s the case it’ll be interesting if another team pays him as an elite QB.
RE: RE: FT is a last resort for the team  
giantBCP : 1/22/2023 7:38 am : link
In comment 16007069 Sean said:
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and a clear win for DJ. $32m guaranteed for a single season is big money, and would give him a higher cap hit than he’d likely see in any long term deal. He’d also have the flexibility of seeing whether Schoen can improve the roster that is clearly lacking in many areas. I feel that Jones thinks of himself as an elite player, and won’t be recognized as such if he stays with this team in its current state.


I don’t think Schoen views him as elite. If that’s the case it’ll be interesting if another team pays him as an elite QB.


How do you think Daboll and Kafka view him? Who’s opinion do you value higher?
RE: FT is a last resort for the team  
chick310 : 1/22/2023 7:38 am : link
In comment 16007065 giantBCP said:
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and a clear win for DJ. $32m guaranteed for a single season is big money, and would give him a higher cap hit than he’d likely see in any long term deal. He’d also have the flexibility of seeing whether Schoen can improve the roster that is clearly lacking in many areas. I feel that Jones thinks of himself as an elite player, and won’t be recognized as such if he stays with this team in its current state.


You're not thinking about this correctly if you think the advantage to the Giants of signing him longer term is because we can then manipulate the cap next year.

The goal is to get better, including at QB. The tag says keep improving otherwise we are moving on.
You don’t extend a $32m guaranteed contract  
giantBCP : 1/22/2023 7:43 am : link
to someone that you don’t want to keep long term. You do so because you simply couldn’t come to an agreement.
RE: You don’t extend a $32m guaranteed contract  
chick310 : 1/22/2023 7:49 am : link
In comment 16007077 giantBCP said:
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to someone that you don’t want to keep long term. You do so because you simply couldn’t come to an agreement.


You're playing both sides of this now. Is this why you didn't get your contract extended with the franchise?

IF Schoen/Daboll don't see an apparent long-term solution they think is better and can reach for in 2023, Jones under the tag is not an unreasonable short-term bridge. Particularly if they saw enough growth/development in his game.

IF they didn't see enough growth or determine the evals on some college QBs they can reach for are better, then let him walk into free agency.

The longer-term deal with DJ right now is non-sensical.
Franchise tag money is appropriate for a “bridge” QB now  
giantBCP : 1/22/2023 7:52 am : link
If you say so.
Barkley is the important guy  
HomerJones45 : 1/22/2023 7:56 am : link
if you have Barkley, you can get any one of the mid-tier of qb's. This is Jones: he sucks you in for a game or two where he looks great and then he reverts to what he is, and he looks like shit against any team with a good defense.
RE: Franchise tag money is appropriate for a “bridge” QB now  
chick310 : 1/22/2023 7:57 am : link
In comment 16007093 giantBCP said:
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If you say so.


You clearly aren't reading it all.

Or seeing it.
RE: Barkley is the important guy  
Sean : 1/22/2023 7:59 am : link
In comment 16007097 HomerJones45 said:
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if you have Barkley, you can get any one of the mid-tier of qb's. This is Jones: he sucks you in for a game or two where he looks great and then he reverts to what he is, and he looks like shit against any team with a good defense.

That’s where I’m at. I think he should be back but not at any price. He looked like the old Jones yesterday and that’s concerning against a division rival.
This is all normal players/coaches talk  
JerrysKids : 1/22/2023 8:07 am : link
They are advised correctly by their agents / advisors to not say too much I’m pretty sure being a free agent is appealing to DJ too. It hasn’t been a great experience for most of the time. I’m sure this is all posturing for the negotiations that will happen soon.
If you truly feel that SB is more valuable than DJ  
giantBCP : 1/22/2023 8:07 am : link
then any amount of money spent on him would be money well spent compared to QB money. As to whether any fans truly feel this way, I have my doubts.
Last night's game did not  
section125 : 1/22/2023 8:31 am : link
sway Schoen or Daboll one iota. The decision to re-sign, or not, was made weeks ago. Pretty doggone certain Daboll wants him back.
The only thing in question is the $$ and length. 4 or 5 years at the AAV of $35 is about right, but I bet Schoen would still like to hedge that to 3 years. He will get a good contract from Carolina, the Jets and a few others if he goes the FA route.
RE: Last night's game did not  
chick310 : 1/22/2023 8:40 am : link
In comment 16007146 section125 said:
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sway Schoen or Daboll one iota. The decision to re-sign, or not, was made weeks ago. Pretty doggone certain Daboll wants him back.
The only thing in question is the $$ and length. 4 or 5 years at the AAV of $35 is about right, but I bet Schoen would still like to hedge that to 3 years. He will get a good contract from Carolina, the Jets and a few others if he goes the FA route.


Just because some bad NFL teams that are desperate for a QB would give Jones a good contract doesn't mean the right thing for the Giants to do is extend him.

Everybody wants to upgrade, why shouldn't we try as well?
Wow that's pretty interesting.  
mittenedman : 1/22/2023 9:08 am : link
We've touched on this before - the option nobody puts much thought into is Jones not wanting to be here anymore.

Of course, the Giants control his rights with the tag, but he could refuse a longterm contract and they could let him go, not wanting to use him in 2023 if he doesn't want to be here.
RE: RE: Last night's game did not  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/22/2023 9:10 am : link
In comment 16007160 chick310 said:
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sway Schoen or Daboll one iota. The decision to re-sign, or not, was made weeks ago. Pretty doggone certain Daboll wants him back.
The only thing in question is the $$ and length. 4 or 5 years at the AAV of $35 is about right, but I bet Schoen would still like to hedge that to 3 years. He will get a good contract from Carolina, the Jets and a few others if he goes the FA route.



Just because some bad NFL teams that are desperate for a QB would give Jones a good contract doesn't mean the right thing for the Giants to do is extend him.

Everybody wants to upgrade, why shouldn't we try as well?


I wouldn't use those teams as a barometer for QB talent.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/22/2023 9:10 am : link
I guess I could see him wanting to be a Panther. He grew up here.
RE: Wow that's pretty interesting.  
giantBCP : 1/22/2023 9:19 am : link
In comment 16007218 mittenedman said:
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We've touched on this before - the option nobody puts much thought into is Jones not wanting to be here anymore.

Of course, the Giants control his rights with the tag, but he could refuse a longterm contract and they could let him go, not wanting to use him in 2023 if he doesn't want to be here.


Even if he didn’t want to be here, they would receive trade compensation if they tagged him. Without a doubt.
I like DJ  
illmatic : 1/22/2023 9:25 am : link
but if he wanted to walk, I wouldn’t cry about it. I think Daboll really helped him a ton this year and I don’t know if he has the same success with another coaching staff. I could easily see him reverting back to the player he used to be in another system. I like to think DJ knows that too.
RE: ...  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 9:27 am : link
In comment 16007226 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I guess I could see him wanting to be a Panther. He grew up here.


Do the Panthers want him? We don’t even know. They haven’t even hired a HC so time will tell. They’ve also played roulette wheel with former 1st rounders. having Carr and Garoppolo available as short term options for teams next 3-4 years is going to depress Jones “demand” side leverage.
In all honesty, if I was him I may want a new start  
PatersonPlank : 1/22/2023 9:30 am : link
He's improved a lot and been in a difficult position with no talent around him for most of his time here. Plus the media and fans are brutal. He can likely get more money, and go somewhere where he is wanted (maybe home)
RE: In all honesty, if I was him I may want a new start  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 9:42 am : link
In comment 16007269 PatersonPlank said:
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He's improved a lot and been in a difficult position with no talent around him for most of his time here. Plus the media and fans are brutal. He can likely get more money, and go somewhere where he is wanted (maybe home)


I wouldn’t knock him one bit for seeing what’s out there. I’m not sure “more money” is out there but who knows. Players sometimes like we all do in relationships or jobs or living situations feel need to make a change or switch.

As for fans and media, he is going to get that everywhere, especially at position he plays. In fact, it might become worse as a FA with a new team that gives him big money.

Panthers and Jets fans (two QB needy teams) have been just as negative towards their QBs and have notoriously criticized them sometimes endlessly.
RE: RE: In all honesty, if I was him I may want a new start  
PatersonPlank : 1/22/2023 10:14 am : link
In comment 16007296 Sammo85 said:
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He's improved a lot and been in a difficult position with no talent around him for most of his time here. Plus the media and fans are brutal. He can likely get more money, and go somewhere where he is wanted (maybe home)



I wouldn’t knock him one bit for seeing what’s out there. I’m not sure “more money” is out there but who knows. Players sometimes like we all do in relationships or jobs or living situations feel need to make a change or switch.

As for fans and media, he is going to get that everywhere, especially at position he plays. In fact, it might become worse as a FA with a new team that gives him big money.

Panthers and Jets fans (two QB needy teams) have been just as negative towards their QBs and have notoriously criticized them sometimes endlessly.


Sure, but DJ is a much better QB than he was at the beginning here, but people still hold that against him to a certain extent (IMO). So a fresh start, at this "year 5" experience level I think would be different.

I have to believe that his agent is already on the phone with Carolina and the Jets. The Jets owner has already stated he is ready to spend $$$, and the Panthers owner is massively loaded. Neither team has a QB for next year. In other cities I bet Jones looks like a shiny new addition, a playoff QB who is mobile. Our muddy bike with scratches is someone elses brand new bike.
Jets OL  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 10:51 am : link
is horrendous. Jones will get killed behind that line next year unless they make other moves and they’re kind of close to cap. I don’t see Jets as good fit.
Maybe, just maybe  
George : 1/22/2023 11:07 am : link
Daniel Jones is sick and tired of putting up with all the bullshit and abuse he’s taken from fans, the media, and the organization aver the last four years.

Maybe, just maybe, he doesn’t want to come back and is signaling that desire to every other team in the NFL looking for a QB next year.

Maybe we don’t deserve nice things.
I'd love to know what some of the plugged in posters  
j_rud : 1/22/2023 11:10 am : link
think about those comments, gamesmanship or earnest consideration of an alternative. He strikes me as a thoughtful guy, the kind of person that would consider more than money when making a decision.

I can see him betting on himself in terms of his improvement translating to a new staff and saying adios. Goddamn what a curveball that would be.
RE: Maybe, just maybe  
chick310 : 1/22/2023 11:22 am : link
In comment 16007561 George said:
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Daniel Jones is sick and tired of putting up with all the bullshit and abuse he’s taken from fans, the media, and the organization aver the last four years.



Drafted overall #6. Given the starting job almost immediately in his rookie year. Was given the starting nod in subsequent years of 2020, 2021 and 2022 with little to no other competition brought in at QB by two regimes.

Yeah, he's really been abused.
RE: RE: Maybe, just maybe  
j_rud : 1/22/2023 11:49 am : link
In comment 16007617 chick310 said:
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Daniel Jones is sick and tired of putting up with all the bullshit and abuse he’s taken from fans, the media, and the organization aver the last four years.





Drafted overall #6. Given the starting job almost immediately in his rookie year. Was given the starting nod in subsequent years of 2020, 2021 and 2022 with little to no other competition brought in at QB by two regimes.

Yeah, he's really been abused.


That surely doesn't tell the whole picture either. He's been coached poorly, mocked harshly by media and fans alike, dealt with injuries. It has *not* been a fun or easy 4 years. Think about that sights and sounds clip from a few weeks back with Nick Gates. "We've suffered long enough". That is without a doubt the most honest we've heard him speak and we were never intended to hear it. Wherever his head is at, that's a clear indication about how he feels about his time here. Maybe he wants to stay but I have this nagging worry that he may just want some new scenery.
RE: I'd love to know what some of the plugged in posters  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16007573 j_rud said:
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think about those comments, gamesmanship or earnest consideration of an alternative. He strikes me as a thoughtful guy, the kind of person that would consider more than money when making a decision.

I can see him betting on himself in terms of his improvement translating to a new staff and saying adios. Goddamn what a curveball that would be.


Folks are forgetting some important points on the financial and free agent/trade market for QBs and the tag.

Would open up a lot of options for us frankly over coming seasons and Jones has his right to FA but I suspect Giants tag him and they can tag him a second time if need be. People are forgetting this point. If Panthers are so hot and bothered for him, maybe that becomes true but they aren’t giving up two 1sts to sign him. Neither are the Jets.

Jones will get nice dinero, but he is not a true free agent. Frankly I would take the picks and run.
No one’s forgetting that Sammo  
mittenedman : 1/22/2023 12:40 pm : link
There’s a reason you rarely see franchise QBs play on the tag. It creates animosity. If Jones does not want to be here anymore, it makes little sense to bring him back as your QB, in any capacity. That is a recipe for disaster.

Yes you would ideally like to tag and trade in that scenario, but there may not be a team willing to trade and then you’re screwed.
RE: RE: RE: Maybe, just maybe  
chick310 : 1/22/2023 12:46 pm : link
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Daniel Jones is sick and tired of putting up with all the bullshit and abuse he’s taken from fans, the media, and the organization aver the last four years.





Drafted overall #6. Given the starting job almost immediately in his rookie year. Was given the starting nod in subsequent years of 2020, 2021 and 2022 with little to no other competition brought in at QB by two regimes.

Yeah, he's really been abused.



That surely doesn't tell the whole picture either. He's been coached poorly, mocked harshly by media and fans alike, dealt with injuries. It has *not* been a fun or easy 4 years. Think about that sights and sounds clip from a few weeks back with Nick Gates. "We've suffered long enough". That is without a doubt the most honest we've heard him speak and we were never intended to hear it. Wherever his head is at, that's a clear indication about how he feels about his time here. Maybe he wants to stay but I have this nagging worry that he may just want some new scenery.


Coached poorly before (presumably) but now his situation has most certainly improved, correct?

Or is Carolina and Jets the places where he can find better coaching pastures than Daboll/Kafka & Co.?
If someone is willing to pay Jones big money  
giantBCP : 1/22/2023 12:47 pm : link
then they’d be willing to give up 2 first round picks for him. Look at the recent trades that we’ve seen for WRs. Davante Adams went for a 1st and a 2nd. AJ Brown went for a 1st and a 3rd. Tyreek Hill went for a 1st, a 2nd, 2 4ths, and a 6th. If you don’t think a team would give that up for a QB, then you’re wrong.
RE: He uses past tense  
bw in dc : 1/22/2023 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16007056 Sean said:
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Art Stapleton
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Daniel Jones: “Like I said, we will cross that bridge when we get there. I really enjoyed playing here. I appreciate all of those guys in the locker room. It is a special group of guys and I have really enjoyed being a part of it."



You don't want to overthink it, but it was a very interesting use of the past tense.
RE: RE: He uses past tense  
giantBCP : 1/22/2023 12:54 pm : link
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Art Stapleton
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Daniel Jones: “Like I said, we will cross that bridge when we get there. I really enjoyed playing here. I appreciate all of those guys in the locker room. It is a special group of guys and I have really enjoyed being a part of it."

You don't want to overthink it, but it was a very interesting use of the past tense.


It sounds like he’s gone. If something is already in the works, we’ll probably see a franchise tag.
It’s odd he’s noncommittal I thought.  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/22/2023 12:55 pm : link
Especially in comparison to Barkley. Perhaps the rumored negotiations during the bye week didn’t go well. Perhaps he has heard from Daboll enough to know they’re going to draft someone. It was always likely that the new admin would want their own guy.

These guys are coached on everything they say. Past tense is not an accident I think.
no telling what will happen  
bc4life : 1/22/2023 12:55 pm : link
Jones and team may not even know
he's being smart....  
BillKo : 1/22/2023 12:57 pm : link
...he's 25 and reasonably healthy and due for his second contract.

I know what I'd do, because as soon as you're not of any value, the NFL disposes of you.

Here's hoping it works out for both sides.
...  
ThisIsMyBBIname : 1/22/2023 1:40 pm : link
Very weird to hear him sound like Brady talking about Tampa Bay.

Maybe the next test for the "Is Mara Meddling?" crew will be how they handle Jones.

We know Mara loves Jones like he loved Eli. To state that the organization failed him and that he deserved another season to prove himself while knowing how the fanbase was sick of his alleged fingerprints on the team was proof of that.

So if Jones privately expresses to the powers that be that he doesn't want to be here anymore, what does Mara tell Schoen? Do they hold Jones hostage with the tag? Or does Mara gently nudge the GM to let Jones walk so he can find a new team on his own terms?

The Pro Jones camp will make the point that Jones was treated very harshly by the fanbase who wanted him to perform like a top 3 quarterback despite some rough circumstances. The Jones Skeptics will say that its possible to evaluate a QB in a vacuum like you do with a college QB and that their criticism was fair.

Playing in this area is rough. Jones is a quiet kid from Charlotte, NC. He could go play for the Panthers in relative obscurity where a playoff berth like this season's would be celebrated and he would be a hero.

People need to remember that while Eli definitely played the humble, Jeter-esque type role as the face of the organization, he was used to the fame and recognition that came with being the son of Archie and brother of Peyton. He had two people in his life who could offer advice and mentor him with dealing with the media and the pressure of being a Manning playing in the NFL.

I"m not saying that Eli wasn't genuine, but the idea that he was just some aw-shucks naive kid doesn't align with his background.

I don't know much about Danny's parents and what they do, but I do know that his dad wasn't an NFL player and if he has a brother, he definitely isn't one of the most recognizable and well known quarterbacks in the NFL. Jones played in quiet obscurity at Duke and probably at times had realistic thoughts about what his post-college football career was going to look like in the "real world". Eli knew he was always going to be in the NFL barring injury.

So maybe Jones just doesn't want to deal with the crap that comes with being the face of the New York Giants. Its a possibility. These guys aren't robots and if Jones thinks he could make similar or maybe even more money playing either in his hometown or elsewhere, combined with less media pressure, why not?

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Daniel Jones is sick and tired of putting up with all the bullshit and abuse he’s taken from fans, the media, and the organization aver the last four years.





Drafted overall #6. Given the starting job almost immediately in his rookie year. Was given the starting nod in subsequent years of 2020, 2021 and 2022 with little to no other competition brought in at QB by two regimes.

Yeah, he's really been abused.



That surely doesn't tell the whole picture either. He's been coached poorly, mocked harshly by media and fans alike, dealt with injuries. It has *not* been a fun or easy 4 years. Think about that sights and sounds clip from a few weeks back with Nick Gates. "We've suffered long enough". That is without a doubt the most honest we've heard him speak and we were never intended to hear it. Wherever his head is at, that's a clear indication about how he feels about his time here. Maybe he wants to stay but I have this nagging worry that he may just want some new scenery.



Coached poorly before (presumably) but now his situation has most certainly improved, correct?

Or is Carolina and Jets the places where he can find better coaching pastures than Daboll/Kafka & Co.?


Of course coached poorly before, I'm just pointing out that it hasn't been a great work environment prior to this year. And in truth this year was probably no picnic either, starting with the public indignity of not having the option picked up. It was the right move. It was also a slight. Both are true. I mean, it's only the past 6 weeks or so that he's received (nearly) universal praise.

If I were him I'd absolutely want to know what other teams thought. I'd be in no rush.
Cause he has substantial $  
Carl in CT : 1/22/2023 1:54 pm : link
And years ready to go if the Giants Dick him around.
He’s got to know  
George : 1/22/2023 5:49 pm : link
That there are more than two or three teams out there willing to open the vaults to get him. If I’m his agent I’m telling him to go to Thailand with former NFL head coaches and stay there until a deal gets done with one of them in March.
 
christian : 1/22/2023 6:25 pm : link
The only way this was going to be clean was if Jones played convincingly well throughout the playoffs, win or lose.

Last night left too much to be desired.

If I’m Team Jones, I laugh Schoen out of the room if they offer me 4/140M/60g. That’s what Ryan Tannehill earned 4 offseasons ago.

If I’m Schoen, I laugh Denton out of the room if he demands 5/200M/100g.
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