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Updated Top 96 - 2023 NFL Draft

Sy'56 : 1/22/2023 7:56 am
Post Early Entrant Deadline - Top 96
Sy'56  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 7:58 am : link

Just in the nick of time to chase away the blues.

Thank you!!!
If Coach Daboll want to run the ball  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 8:01 am : link

Then this is part of the answer:

28. O’Cyrus Torrence – OG / Florida – 6’5/347

Or maybe he wants to stop the run:

34. Tuli Tuipulotu – DT / USC – 6’4/290
good stuff  
KDavies : 1/22/2023 8:02 am : link
very interesting to see Kincaid as your top TE over Meyer
Also interesting to see Andre Carter in the 90s  
KDavies : 1/22/2023 8:10 am : link
I’ve seen him as high as 10 in mock drafts
Thanks, Dave  
Anakim : 1/22/2023 8:15 am : link
I take it Marvin Harrison Jr. dominating Kelee Ringo didn't knock him down a bunch in your eyes. Same. It speaks more to MHJ's talent than Ringo's.
RE: Also interesting to see Andre Carter in the 90s  
bw in dc : 1/22/2023 8:32 am : link
In comment 16007117 KDavies said:
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I’ve seen him as high as 10 in mock drafts


He fell off a cliff production wise vs 2021.

Sy has 3/4 of the Illini secondary in the top 96. They were spectacular as a unit.

If we move on from SB it's a good year to find a RB.

Lot of OTs  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 8:34 am : link
this year. Not a lot of good Gs early.
We need help  
gary_from_chester : 1/22/2023 8:49 am : link
On both sides of the LOS.

I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.

I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.

Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Lots of holes to fill  
Mark from Jersey : 1/22/2023 8:50 am : link
BPA at every slot.
If Jalin Hyatt  
AG5686 : 1/22/2023 9:03 am : link
is there when we pick....run up to the podium and call out his name!!!
RE: We need help  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 9:03 am : link
In comment 16007178 gary_from_chester said:
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On both sides of the LOS.

I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.

I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.

Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.


Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.

Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
RE: RE: We need help  
gary_from_chester : 1/22/2023 9:10 am : link
In comment 16007208 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 16007178 gary_from_chester said:


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On both sides of the LOS.

I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.

I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.

Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.



Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.

Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.


Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.
RE: RE: RE: We need help  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 9:22 am : link
In comment 16007225 gary_from_chester said:
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In comment 16007208 Sammo85 said:


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In comment 16007178 gary_from_chester said:


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On both sides of the LOS.

I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.

I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.

Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.



Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.

Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.



Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.


Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
Looks like a draft that will help the Giants  
George from PA : 1/22/2023 9:22 am : link
Corner, DT and LB

WR and OT/OG

Thanks.....let's move to offseason
RE: RE: RE: RE: We need help  
gary_from_chester : 1/22/2023 9:27 am : link
In comment 16007250 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 16007208 Sammo85 said:


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In comment 16007178 gary_from_chester said:


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On both sides of the LOS.

I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.

I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.

Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.



Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.

Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.



Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.



Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.


Here you go:

There have been many tackles who have moved from tackle to guard when transitioning from college to the NFL. In recent years, players like D.J. Fluker, Zach Martin, Brandon Scherff, Andrus Peat, and Ereck Flowers were all tackles drafted in the first-round who have all moved inside to guard at the NFL level.



Move Neal to guard  
kelly : 1/22/2023 9:29 am : link
Draft Torrence. Finally we have some beef on the IOL.

Bredeson to center. Draft a tackle in round 2 or 3 or a free agent.

Rounds 3 and 4 defense front seven.



LOL  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 9:33 am : link
Flowers and Fluker were busts. Fluker wasn’t even good as a G. Flowers had a very small run as G. Peat graded out as one of the worst run blocking Gs in NFL last year.

Martin and Scherff were drafted exclusively as Gs. They were not Ts or transitioned players.

Let’s give Evan Neal a chance to play the position he’s played his whole life and he was drafted highly for before we start playing mind games with him on the position he’s best suited for.
RE: LOL  
gary_from_chester : 1/22/2023 9:39 am : link
In comment 16007276 Sammo85 said:
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Flowers and Fluker were busts. Fluker wasn’t even good as a G. Flowers had a very small run as G. Peat graded out as one of the worst run blocking Gs in NFL last year.

Martin and Scherff were drafted exclusively as Gs. They were not Ts or transitioned players.

Let’s give Evan Neal a chance to play the position he’s played his whole life and he was drafted highly for before we start playing mind games with him on the position he’s best suited for.


Like I said, if you think he can be a good to elite tackle, I can buy that argument. I’m having some doubts but I could be very wrong. Let’s hope he progresses next year and lives up to the promise that made him the 7th pick in the draft. I hope he gets it solved and with his desire and work ethic would not bet against him. Would live it if he and Thomas are bookends for the next 10 years.
Thx SY  
Earl the goat : 1/22/2023 10:14 am : link
Great read on a depressing Sunday morning

I’m shocked Gervon Dexter DT from Florida didn’t make the list
I have a feeling that will change after the combine unless he’s not declaring
Seems like a pretty deep draft at  
beatrixkiddo : 1/22/2023 10:24 am : link
CB,S, OL and TE, hopefully they can get some value to add these units.

Hope they can find a stud WR early (Round 1 or 2), Addison would seem to be a perfect pair for what Daboll covets. Breece would fit along nice with Dex and Williams if he is there with our first pick though.

Really hope one of Campbell or Sanders is destined to be our future MLB here, we desperately need one of them in the worst way.
thank you sy - a ton of great names in the 20-40 range  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2023 10:27 am : link
addison
smith njigba
nolan smith
van ness
ojulari
hyatt
simpson

nyg going to be able to get another building block at a key spot. who knows maybe one of the corners falls too (though i kind of doubt that). porter or gonzalez would be great. i think both may end up ahead of ringo.
After what happened last night, you have to wonder whether  
cosmicj : 1/22/2023 10:31 am : link
A player like DL Bryan Bresee isn’t the best option in the 1st.
Of the 96...  
bw in dc : 1/22/2023 10:32 am : link
12 are RBS. That feels really high - 13% of the top 96.

Day three RB here we come...
RE: Of the 96...  
Anakim : 1/22/2023 10:35 am : link
In comment 16007446 bw in dc said:
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12 are RBS. That feels really high - 13% of the top 96.

Day three RB here we come...


Roschon Johnson of Texas
Just my opinion but give me Addison or Smith-Njigba over Hyatt  
Rick in Dallas : 1/22/2023 10:40 am : link
Much rather have elite route running skills over straight line speed.
RE: If Coach Daboll want to run the ball  
GoDeep13 : 1/22/2023 11:08 am : link
In comment 16007106 M.S. said:
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Then this is part of the answer:

28. O’Cyrus Torrence – OG / Florida – 6’5/347

Or maybe he wants to stop the run:

34. Tuli Tuipulotu – DT / USC – 6’4/290

Big fan of Tuli.

So far my favorite prospects in this draft (in no order)

- Tuli Tuipulotu
- Emmanuel Forbes Jr.
- Drew Sanders
- Rashee Rice
- Zay Flowers
- Zach Charbonnet
- Brian Branch
- Ivan Pace Jr
- Joey Porter Jr.
- Clark Phillips
- Marvin Mims
- Jonathan Mingo
- Dontay Demus Jr.
- Jaylin Hyatt
- Dalton Kincaid
- Felix Anudike-Uzomah
RE: RE: RE: RE: We need help  
GoDeep13 : 1/22/2023 11:15 am : link
In comment 16007250 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 16007208 Sammo85 said:


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On both sides of the LOS.

I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.

I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.

Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.



Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.

Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.



Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.



Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
Neal played guard in college too. It’s not a new position for him. And it was widely said at the time that Neal was a safe pick BECAUSE if he struggled at OT he could easily kick inside.
RE: Just my opinion but give me Addison or Smith-Njigba over Hyatt  
beatrixkiddo : 1/22/2023 11:16 am : link
In comment 16007473 Rick in Dallas said:
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Much rather have elite route running skills over straight line speed.


I know Sy' was incredibly high on Smith-Njiba this time last year, looking forward to read his write-ups on him and see if he thinks he still carries that same potential. I agree on the route running part, this offense needs a guy that can be counted on to get open and be a safety valve for the QB in the worst way.
If available I would be happy with  
gogiants : 1/22/2023 11:43 am : link
R1 O’Cyrus Torrence – OG / Florida – 6’5/347
R2 Jack Campbell – LB / Iowa – 6’4/248
R3 Emmanuel Forbes – CB / Mississippi State – 6’0/180
Love Addison but expect him gone  
Dankbeerman : 1/22/2023 12:12 pm : link
Hyatt would be my rd 1 WR target but I would take Mayer over either of them. Not a more complete player in the draft.

Evan Neal  
Professor Falken : 1/22/2023 12:27 pm : link
started 13 games at LG for Alabama in 2019.
RE: We need help  
ColHowPepper : 1/22/2023 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16007250 Sammo85 said:
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...Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.

Lots of us feeling irritable today, but, yeah, I'm not quite getting your take Sammo, whereas, no offense please, but I don't see the drill down and support of your position of Neal staying put other than that is 'where he was drafted'. Kind of a nasty response to Gary imo. I've pondered the same question. Yes, we'd all like Schoen to be proven right in where Neal was drafted, but through most of the season, Neal has demonstrated significant shortcomings, the same over and over (technique on step/sliding, balance, staying square, recognition). It's not as if he has not been afforded the opportunity; he has been the most serious leak in pass protection, among others. It's a question that I find it hard to believe the FO won't look at themselves, even if we know GMs are loath to acknowledge mistakes. Again, we'd like JS to be proven right and more likely than not Neal will be given another shot. Some here were saying he was the most under drafted player in the entire draft. Not yet.
Ok here’s my fearless prediction  
cosmicj : 1/22/2023 1:08 pm : link
BBI will be flabbergasted at Evan Neal’s improved play at RT next September. And in year 3, we will debating whether he will make the Pro Bowl.
cosmic ray  
ColHowPepper : 1/22/2023 1:22 pm : link
We all hope you are spot on!

One thing I am confident in: I will be fascinated and confident with JS's management of this next draft and those to come. And, thanks so much, Sy', for this early tasting menu!
RE: RE: We need help  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 2:06 pm : link
In comment 16007913 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 16007250 Sammo85 said:


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...Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.


Lots of us feeling irritable today, but, yeah, I'm not quite getting your take Sammo, whereas, no offense please, but I don't see the drill down and support of your position of Neal staying put other than that is 'where he was drafted'. Kind of a nasty response to Gary imo. I've pondered the same question. Yes, we'd all like Schoen to be proven right in where Neal was drafted, but through most of the season, Neal has demonstrated significant shortcomings, the same over and over (technique on step/sliding, balance, staying square, recognition). It's not as if he has not been afforded the opportunity; he has been the most serious leak in pass protection, among others. It's a question that I find it hard to believe the FO won't look at themselves, even if we know GMs are loath to acknowledge mistakes. Again, we'd like JS to be proven right and more likely than not Neal will be given another shot. Some here were saying he was the most under drafted player in the entire draft. Not yet.


So we just do away or start screwing around with players after one year?

He played T for one of best programs in football. He was drafted precisely based on need as a T and moved from LT to RT. He battled injuries and is not in any way deserving of being cast aside from a bunch of fans who are lazily calling him a failure already. Andrew Thomas rookie year says hello.
ok,  
ColHowPepper : 1/22/2023 2:49 pm : link
that's better, maybe even fair (:. But it has also been observed that AT was working on technique issues, also--best as I recall it was hand placement as much as his kick step, and progressed as the year went on, despite having nagging ankle issue for which he underwent surgery that off season, and I think '21 offseason as well. The two situations are not identical. And having this discussion is not equivalent by any stretch to 'lazily calling him a failure already', which is what you accuse Gary, and I suppose now me, of doing.

To me, Neal's first kickstep, right leg, looked consistently heavy and slow. It rarely allowed him to get to the spot to square up vs the DE. There are the balance issues, which Sy' has said (and I could be mis-stating mis-interpreting him) are very difficult to overcome.

I opined a few days ago that maybe shedding some weight would facilitate addressing some issues. I am not lazily doing anything or calling him a failure: but if you don't think there are concerns surrounding his season as a RT, beyond simply rookie 'growing pains', I'd opine you're being a bit obtuse. There was precious little improvement over the course of the season. Even EN said--and he seems to be a good kid with a very positive attitude--the injury hampered him less as the season wore on.
Players I like for Giants in first two rounds  
jeff57 : 1/22/2023 3:00 pm : link
Witherspoon, Tuipulotu, Campbell, Mayer, Torrence, Rice, Michael-Schmitz.
RE: If Coach Daboll want to run the ball  
jeff57 : 1/22/2023 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16007106 M.S. said:
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Then this is part of the answer:

28. O’Cyrus Torrence – OG / Florida – 6’5/347

Or maybe he wants to stop the run:

34. Tuli Tuipulotu – DT / USC – 6’4/290


With you, could live with either of them at 25
RE: If available I would be happy with  
jeff57 : 1/22/2023 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16007662 gogiants said:
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R1 O’Cyrus Torrence – OG / Florida – 6’5/347
R2 Jack Campbell – LB / Iowa – 6’4/248
R3 Emmanuel Forbes – CB / Mississippi State – 6’0/180


I’d sign for that right now. Don’t reach for WRs.
My favorite prospect in the draft...  
Milton : 1/22/2023 4:00 pm : link
Bijan Robinson.
I hope the Eagles feel like they're set at RB...  
Milton : 1/22/2023 4:04 pm : link
Because if they land Robinson with the 10th pick and Torrence with the 29th pick, their offense will be impossible to stop.
RE: If available I would be happy with  
M.S. : 1/22/2023 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16007662 gogiants said:
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R1 O’Cyrus Torrence – OG / Florida – 6’5/347
R2 Jack Campbell – LB / Iowa – 6’4/248
R3 Emmanuel Forbes – CB / Mississippi State – 6’0/180

Where do I sign up? Would love these picks!!!
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