I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.
Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.
Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
Here you go:
There have been many tackles who have moved from tackle to guard when transitioning from college to the NFL. In recent years, players like D.J. Fluker, Zach Martin, Brandon Scherff, Andrus Peat, and Ereck Flowers were all tackles drafted in the first-round who have all moved inside to guard at the NFL level.
Flowers and Fluker were busts. Fluker wasn’t even good as a G. Flowers had a very small run as G. Peat graded out as one of the worst run blocking Gs in NFL last year.
Martin and Scherff were drafted exclusively as Gs. They were not Ts or transitioned players.
Let’s give Evan Neal a chance to play the position he’s played his whole life and he was drafted highly for before we start playing mind games with him on the position he’s best suited for.
Flowers and Fluker were busts. Fluker wasn’t even good as a G. Flowers had a very small run as G. Peat graded out as one of the worst run blocking Gs in NFL last year.
Martin and Scherff were drafted exclusively as Gs. They were not Ts or transitioned players.
Let’s give Evan Neal a chance to play the position he’s played his whole life and he was drafted highly for before we start playing mind games with him on the position he’s best suited for.
Like I said, if you think he can be a good to elite tackle, I can buy that argument. I’m having some doubts but I could be very wrong. Let’s hope he progresses next year and lives up to the promise that made him the 7th pick in the draft. I hope he gets it solved and with his desire and work ethic would not bet against him. Would live it if he and Thomas are bookends for the next 10 years.
CB,S, OL and TE, hopefully they can get some value to add these units.
Hope they can find a stud WR early (Round 1 or 2), Addison would seem to be a perfect pair for what Daboll covets. Breece would fit along nice with Dex and Williams if he is there with our first pick though.
Really hope one of Campbell or Sanders is destined to be our future MLB here, we desperately need one of them in the worst way.
thank you sy - a ton of great names in the 20-40 range
addison
smith njigba
nolan smith
van ness
ojulari
hyatt
simpson
nyg going to be able to get another building block at a key spot. who knows maybe one of the corners falls too (though i kind of doubt that). porter or gonzalez would be great. i think both may end up ahead of ringo.
After what happened last night, you have to wonder whether
So far my favorite prospects in this draft (in no order)
- Tuli Tuipulotu
- Emmanuel Forbes Jr.
- Drew Sanders
- Rashee Rice
- Zay Flowers
- Zach Charbonnet
- Brian Branch
- Ivan Pace Jr
- Joey Porter Jr.
- Clark Phillips
- Marvin Mims
- Jonathan Mingo
- Dontay Demus Jr.
- Jaylin Hyatt
- Dalton Kincaid
- Felix Anudike-Uzomah
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.
Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
Neal played guard in college too. It’s not a new position for him. And it was widely said at the time that Neal was a safe pick BECAUSE if he struggled at OT he could easily kick inside.
RE: Just my opinion but give me Addison or Smith-Njigba over Hyatt
Much rather have elite route running skills over straight line speed.
I know Sy' was incredibly high on Smith-Njiba this time last year, looking forward to read his write-ups on him and see if he thinks he still carries that same potential. I agree on the route running part, this offense needs a guy that can be counted on to get open and be a safety valve for the QB in the worst way.
...Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
Lots of us feeling irritable today, but, yeah, I'm not quite getting your take Sammo, whereas, no offense please, but I don't see the drill down and support of your position of Neal staying put other than that is 'where he was drafted'. Kind of a nasty response to Gary imo. I've pondered the same question. Yes, we'd all like Schoen to be proven right in where Neal was drafted, but through most of the season, Neal has demonstrated significant shortcomings, the same over and over (technique on step/sliding, balance, staying square, recognition). It's not as if he has not been afforded the opportunity; he has been the most serious leak in pass protection, among others. It's a question that I find it hard to believe the FO won't look at themselves, even if we know GMs are loath to acknowledge mistakes. Again, we'd like JS to be proven right and more likely than not Neal will be given another shot. Some here were saying he was the most under drafted player in the entire draft. Not yet.
One thing I am confident in: I will be fascinated and confident with JS's management of this next draft and those to come. And, thanks so much, Sy', for this early tasting menu!
...Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
Lots of us feeling irritable today, but, yeah, I'm not quite getting your take Sammo, whereas, no offense please, but I don't see the drill down and support of your position of Neal staying put other than that is 'where he was drafted'. Kind of a nasty response to Gary imo. I've pondered the same question. Yes, we'd all like Schoen to be proven right in where Neal was drafted, but through most of the season, Neal has demonstrated significant shortcomings, the same over and over (technique on step/sliding, balance, staying square, recognition). It's not as if he has not been afforded the opportunity; he has been the most serious leak in pass protection, among others. It's a question that I find it hard to believe the FO won't look at themselves, even if we know GMs are loath to acknowledge mistakes. Again, we'd like JS to be proven right and more likely than not Neal will be given another shot. Some here were saying he was the most under drafted player in the entire draft. Not yet.
So we just do away or start screwing around with players after one year?
He played T for one of best programs in football. He was drafted precisely based on need as a T and moved from LT to RT. He battled injuries and is not in any way deserving of being cast aside from a bunch of fans who are lazily calling him a failure already. Andrew Thomas rookie year says hello.
that's better, maybe even fair (:. But it has also been observed that AT was working on technique issues, also--best as I recall it was hand placement as much as his kick step, and progressed as the year went on, despite having nagging ankle issue for which he underwent surgery that off season, and I think '21 offseason as well. The two situations are not identical. And having this discussion is not equivalent by any stretch to 'lazily calling him a failure already', which is what you accuse Gary, and I suppose now me, of doing.
To me, Neal's first kickstep, right leg, looked consistently heavy and slow. It rarely allowed him to get to the spot to square up vs the DE. There are the balance issues, which Sy' has said (and I could be mis-stating mis-interpreting him) are very difficult to overcome.
I opined a few days ago that maybe shedding some weight would facilitate addressing some issues. I am not lazily doing anything or calling him a failure: but if you don't think there are concerns surrounding his season as a RT, beyond simply rookie 'growing pains', I'd opine you're being a bit obtuse. There was precious little improvement over the course of the season. Even EN said--and he seems to be a good kid with a very positive attitude--the injury hampered him less as the season wore on.
Just in the nick of time to chase away the blues.
Thank you!!!
Then this is part of the answer:
28. O’Cyrus Torrence – OG / Florida – 6’5/347
Or maybe he wants to stop the run:
34. Tuli Tuipulotu – DT / USC – 6’4/290
He fell off a cliff production wise vs 2021.
Sy has 3/4 of the Illini secondary in the top 96. They were spectacular as a unit.
If we move on from SB it's a good year to find a RB.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
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On both sides of the LOS.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.
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On both sides of the LOS.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.
Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
WR and OT/OG
Thanks.....let's move to offseason
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In comment 16007178 gary_from_chester said:
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On both sides of the LOS.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.
Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
Here you go:
There have been many tackles who have moved from tackle to guard when transitioning from college to the NFL. In recent years, players like D.J. Fluker, Zach Martin, Brandon Scherff, Andrus Peat, and Ereck Flowers were all tackles drafted in the first-round who have all moved inside to guard at the NFL level.
Bredeson to center. Draft a tackle in round 2 or 3 or a free agent.
Rounds 3 and 4 defense front seven.
Martin and Scherff were drafted exclusively as Gs. They were not Ts or transitioned players.
Let’s give Evan Neal a chance to play the position he’s played his whole life and he was drafted highly for before we start playing mind games with him on the position he’s best suited for.
Martin and Scherff were drafted exclusively as Gs. They were not Ts or transitioned players.
Let’s give Evan Neal a chance to play the position he’s played his whole life and he was drafted highly for before we start playing mind games with him on the position he’s best suited for.
Like I said, if you think he can be a good to elite tackle, I can buy that argument. I’m having some doubts but I could be very wrong. Let’s hope he progresses next year and lives up to the promise that made him the 7th pick in the draft. I hope he gets it solved and with his desire and work ethic would not bet against him. Would live it if he and Thomas are bookends for the next 10 years.
I’m shocked Gervon Dexter DT from Florida didn’t make the list
I have a feeling that will change after the combine unless he’s not declaring
Hope they can find a stud WR early (Round 1 or 2), Addison would seem to be a perfect pair for what Daboll covets. Breece would fit along nice with Dex and Williams if he is there with our first pick though.
Really hope one of Campbell or Sanders is destined to be our future MLB here, we desperately need one of them in the worst way.
smith njigba
nolan smith
van ness
ojulari
hyatt
simpson
nyg going to be able to get another building block at a key spot. who knows maybe one of the corners falls too (though i kind of doubt that). porter or gonzalez would be great. i think both may end up ahead of ringo.
Day three RB here we come...
Day three RB here we come...
Roschon Johnson of Texas
Then this is part of the answer:
28. O’Cyrus Torrence – OG / Florida – 6’5/347
Or maybe he wants to stop the run:
34. Tuli Tuipulotu – DT / USC – 6’4/290
Big fan of Tuli.
So far my favorite prospects in this draft (in no order)
- Tuli Tuipulotu
- Emmanuel Forbes Jr.
- Drew Sanders
- Rashee Rice
- Zay Flowers
- Zach Charbonnet
- Brian Branch
- Ivan Pace Jr
- Joey Porter Jr.
- Clark Phillips
- Marvin Mims
- Jonathan Mingo
- Dontay Demus Jr.
- Jaylin Hyatt
- Dalton Kincaid
- Felix Anudike-Uzomah
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In comment 16007208 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 16007178 gary_from_chester said:
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On both sides of the LOS.
I would not be surprised to see Schoen go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2.
I know anyone who says move Neal inside usually gets bashed here, but maybe that is his best position. He has not been able to handle the speed rushers all season; when Thomas struggled early it was with the inside move as he overcompensated with his technique. Neal may just not have the feet/balance to handle the edge speed rusher. Moving Neal inside and going OT might go a long way to strengthening the OL.
Interesting list, enjoyed the creative descriptions.
Neal is not a G. You can’t just move an OT inside and hope for best. You in fact may create two problem areas on the OL next season in trying to solve one.
Adding a lottery ticket OL is not going to immediately fix the OL. Taking an OL in many cases is a pick for a 2 yr out projection as you rebuild roster. If Giants are building around Jones, any OL help for next year requires an aggressive FA move.
Lots of players transition successfully from tackle to guard; many examples out there. Look at Sy’s evaluations of OL prospects - often he cites players who can excel or be good at other positions. This isn’t such a wild proposition. Neal has the size and power to be good on the inside, no doubt in my mind. If your argument is he can be a good to elite tackle - I can buy that. Not being able to transition inside - I disagree.
Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
I know Sy' was incredibly high on Smith-Njiba this time last year, looking forward to read his write-ups on him and see if he thinks he still carries that same potential. I agree on the route running part, this offense needs a guy that can be counted on to get open and be a safety valve for the QB in the worst way.
R2 Jack Campbell – LB / Iowa – 6’4/248
R3 Emmanuel Forbes – CB / Mississippi State – 6’0/180
Lots of us feeling irritable today, but, yeah, I'm not quite getting your take Sammo, whereas, no offense please, but I don't see the drill down and support of your position of Neal staying put other than that is 'where he was drafted'. Kind of a nasty response to Gary imo. I've pondered the same question. Yes, we'd all like Schoen to be proven right in where Neal was drafted, but through most of the season, Neal has demonstrated significant shortcomings, the same over and over (technique on step/sliding, balance, staying square, recognition). It's not as if he has not been afforded the opportunity; he has been the most serious leak in pass protection, among others. It's a question that I find it hard to believe the FO won't look at themselves, even if we know GMs are loath to acknowledge mistakes. Again, we'd like JS to be proven right and more likely than not Neal will be given another shot. Some here were saying he was the most under drafted player in the entire draft. Not yet.
One thing I am confident in: I will be fascinated and confident with JS's management of this next draft and those to come. And, thanks so much, Sy', for this early tasting menu!
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...Your proposition is extremely lazy and not supported at all.
Lots of us feeling irritable today, but, yeah, I'm not quite getting your take Sammo, whereas, no offense please, but I don't see the drill down and support of your position of Neal staying put other than that is 'where he was drafted'. Kind of a nasty response to Gary imo. I've pondered the same question. Yes, we'd all like Schoen to be proven right in where Neal was drafted, but through most of the season, Neal has demonstrated significant shortcomings, the same over and over (technique on step/sliding, balance, staying square, recognition). It's not as if he has not been afforded the opportunity; he has been the most serious leak in pass protection, among others. It's a question that I find it hard to believe the FO won't look at themselves, even if we know GMs are loath to acknowledge mistakes. Again, we'd like JS to be proven right and more likely than not Neal will be given another shot. Some here were saying he was the most under drafted player in the entire draft. Not yet.
So we just do away or start screwing around with players after one year?
He played T for one of best programs in football. He was drafted precisely based on need as a T and moved from LT to RT. He battled injuries and is not in any way deserving of being cast aside from a bunch of fans who are lazily calling him a failure already. Andrew Thomas rookie year says hello.
To me, Neal's first kickstep, right leg, looked consistently heavy and slow. It rarely allowed him to get to the spot to square up vs the DE. There are the balance issues, which Sy' has said (and I could be mis-stating mis-interpreting him) are very difficult to overcome.
I opined a few days ago that maybe shedding some weight would facilitate addressing some issues. I am not lazily doing anything or calling him a failure: but if you don't think there are concerns surrounding his season as a RT, beyond simply rookie 'growing pains', I'd opine you're being a bit obtuse. There was precious little improvement over the course of the season. Even EN said--and he seems to be a good kid with a very positive attitude--the injury hampered him less as the season wore on.
Then this is part of the answer:
28. O’Cyrus Torrence – OG / Florida – 6’5/347
Or maybe he wants to stop the run:
34. Tuli Tuipulotu – DT / USC – 6’4/290
With you, could live with either of them at 25
R2 Jack Campbell – LB / Iowa – 6’4/248
R3 Emmanuel Forbes – CB / Mississippi State – 6’0/180
I’d sign for that right now. Don’t reach for WRs.
R2 Jack Campbell – LB / Iowa – 6’4/248
R3 Emmanuel Forbes – CB / Mississippi State – 6’0/180
Where do I sign up? Would love these picks!!!