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I didn't buy into Daniel Jones,

sec308 : 1/22/2023 12:58 pm
I didn't hate him either, but then the last few weeks had me thinking he's our guy, and he is whether we like it or not. Yesterday, it looked to me like he reverted back to what I saw before the last few weeks.

The problem I have is I can't see his receivers when Jones looks flustered. I see Jones pumping the ball like he wants to throw it, then he doesn't throw it, and he's swallowed up. He has to throw the ball to a place where only his guys can catch it. No pumping, just fucking throw it.

Also, and its along the same lines, is his running. What I would like to see is him completing long throws after he decides to run alah Aaron Rogers. It's great that he can run and get first downs, it is I'm not arguing against that, but the next step is to use mobility as a deep throw threat. I rarely see him attempt that. Again I can't see the receivers.

I do think there is another level for him to get to. I believe in him and his work ethic.
I hope he can do it.

LOL  
mdthedream : 1/22/2023 1:01 pm : link
We have no wrs and a rookie avg TE but you don't see he can go to another level. I think he can hit open targets if they get open.
......  
Route 9 : 1/22/2023 1:01 pm : link
Don't hate him? That doesn't matter you're asking for it ... friend
Yep, with all the time he had to throw and all those wide open  
PatersonPlank : 1/22/2023 1:03 pm : link
receivers, I can't believe how he played. Obviously he was pumping for dramatic effect only, not because the WRs were making cuts and not getting separation. What a poser.
I don’t think the WRs were getting separation. When he did throw it,  
carpoon : 1/22/2023 1:03 pm : link
there was usually someone all over the receiver.
That's one hell of a...  
Johnny5 : 1/22/2023 1:04 pm : link
... cool story bro.
He had to play perfectly in order to beat Minn.  
Coopcomic : 1/22/2023 1:06 pm : link
That should put into context what the Eagles are at this point. How easy it was for Hurts to sit back, the weapons at TE, two stud recievers vs. Jones. That said, we're about to find out loud & clear what Schoen & Daboll truly believe.
If only he would escape the pocket  
Giantimistic : 1/22/2023 1:07 pm : link
Roll left, flip his hips and hit a receiver, let’s say for example, Hodgins, 20 yards down the field where only he can catch it.
jones was absolute dogshit yesterday.  
japanhead : 1/22/2023 1:08 pm : link
straight-up embarrassing performance.

i realize the OL didn't do him many if any favors, but he looked overmatched and played his worst game of the season in the biggest game. bad passing, holding the ball too long, slow, confused, poor decision-making.

but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.

this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?

seriously?
Would love to see the all 22 in this game  
Breeze_94 : 1/22/2023 1:11 pm : link
Something tells me there wasn’t many places for him to go with the ball. And pocket was collapsing around him all night.

The argument people have against DJ is that his 3 best games came against awful defenses (MIN x2, IND). That’s true. But that shows what he is capable of when his receiving core isn’t overmatched and he actually has windows to throw.

Daniel is only going to get better as the situation improves. A lot of work to do around him this off-season.
RE: jones was absolute dogshit yesterday.  
Johnny5 : 1/22/2023 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16007926 japanhead said:
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straight-up embarrassing performance.

i realize the OL didn't do him many if any favors, but he looked overmatched and played his worst game of the season in the biggest game. bad passing, holding the ball too long, slow, confused, poor decision-making.

but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.

this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?

seriously?

I predicted that you idiots would come out of the woodwork yesterday if DJ had a bad game. News flash, the WHOLE team sucked yesterday including the coaching. I knew we weren't winning that game. We are a TERRIBLE matchup with that DL with our OL. Our talent is 2 notches below teams like the Eagles and Cowboys but Daboll and staff had this team playing really good ball for most of the year, and playing above their heads. Also with a WR corp not one of which would see the field for the Eagles. But yes it's all on DJ. LOL
RE: jones was absolute dogshit yesterday.  
sec308 : 1/22/2023 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16007926 japanhead said:
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straight-up embarrassing performance.



but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.

this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?


I agree. This wasn't just yesterday. I'm beginning to think some of these posters have a sexual attraction to the man. They like pissy girlfriends.
seriously?
Neal is probably the worst RT in football this year  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/22/2023 1:16 pm : link
...I don't know how you get past that in evaluating Jones.

He looked a hell of a lot like Flowers yesterday.

I am not saying he stinks or is a bust, but right now he is terrible.
RE: Neal is probably the worst RT in football this year  
japanhead : 1/22/2023 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16007946 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...I don't know how you get past that in evaluating Jones.

He looked a hell of a lot like Flowers yesterday.

I am not saying he stinks or is a bust, but right now he is terrible.


this is true. he was, and has been, nightmarishly bad. supposedly he was playing injured, and made some reference to the media today about the difficulty adjusting to playing right tackle. but jesus christ the early returns are not good.
You guys do realize there's NO  
Dave on the UWS : 1/22/2023 1:32 pm : link
guarantee that Jones will re-sign. If he says he wants to go elsewhere, Tagging him will be a BAD idea.
RE: jones was absolute dogshit yesterday.  
k2tampa : 1/22/2023 1:39 pm : link
In comment 16007926 japanhead said:
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straight-up embarrassing performance.

i realize the OL didn't do him many if any favors, but he looked overmatched and played his worst game of the season in the biggest game. bad passing, holding the ball too long, slow, confused, poor decision-making.

but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.

this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?

seriously?


Show me the plays where receivers were getting any separation from DBs. And because of the pass rush (which was getting there in a blink on most plays), Philly could consistently cover with sevens guys. What receivers did he miss when they were open? Slayton on the long pass, but if Slayton had the physical strength of the average NFL receiver he catches that ball, and if he hadn't wanted to shy away from getting hit, he would have gotten PI (it might have been PI anyway). What other receiver had separation that Jones missed? There was one play where Jones escaped the pocket to the right and had a long time to wait for someone to get open. No one did.

Once they were down 14-0 Philly's front 4 was ignoring the run and just gunning for sacks. Was he as good as last week? Hell no. Was the line protection and separation by receivers way worse? Hell yes.
RE: RE: Neal is probably the worst RT in football this year  
geelabee : 1/22/2023 1:51 pm : link
Anyone remember Andrew Thomas rookie season?? Just like Thomas..Neal played hurt all year effecting his performance and just like Thomas’s rookie year…probably lead the league in pressures and sacks allowed..how is that working out 3 years later?? Just like Neal..idiots on this board called Thomas a bust after his rookie season..and did read on this board that the Giants made a mistake and should have drafted Mekhi Becton..in summary Thomas is an NFL All Pro after looking like Neal his rookie year..the good things about Neal..he is talented…played all year..knows the system…and has the entire off season to heal up…


In comment 16007956 japanhead said:
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In comment 16007946 sb from NYT Forum said:


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...I don't know how you get past that in evaluating Jones.

He looked a hell of a lot like Flowers yesterday.

I am not saying he stinks or is a bust, but right now he is terrible.



this is true. he was, and has been, nightmarishly bad. supposedly he was playing injured, and made some reference to the media today about the difficulty adjusting to playing right tackle. but jesus christ the early returns are not good.
LAst night was one of t he worst games he's played  
Matt M. : 1/22/2023 1:55 pm : link
He did seem to revert back to holding the ball and indecisiveness. There were at least 5 times where he needed to either just take off an run and get what he can or throw it away. He did neither.
RE: Would love to see the all 22 in this game  
k2tampa : 1/22/2023 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16007932 Breeze_94 said:
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Something tells me there wasn’t many places for him to go with the ball. And pocket was collapsing around him all night.

The argument people have against DJ is that his 3 best games came against awful defenses (MIN x2, IND). That’s true. But that shows what he is capable of when his receiving core isn’t overmatched and he actually has windows to throw.

Daniel is only going to get better as the situation improves. A lot of work to do around him this off-season.


It's gotten to the point where the Giants could win back to back Super Bowls and some on this site, who keep moving the bar, would say it wasn't because of Jones, the defense won the games. They would say the team won in spite of Jones. The bar keeps moving for these posters. Remember when he couldn't win? Then it was he couldn't get them to the playoffs. Then it was he has to win in the playoffs. Now it's he didn't get them to the NFC championship game.
RE: RE: RE: Neal is probably the worst RT in football this year  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/22/2023 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16008048 geelabee said:
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Anyone remember Andrew Thomas rookie season?? Just like Thomas..Neal played hurt all year effecting his performance and just like Thomas’s rookie year…probably lead the league in pressures and sacks allowed..how is that working out 3 years later?? Just like Neal..idiots on this board called Thomas a bust after his rookie season..and did read on this board that the Giants made a mistake and should have drafted Mekhi Becton..in summary Thomas is an NFL All Pro after looking like Neal his rookie year..the good things about Neal..he is talented…played all year..knows the system…and has the entire off season to heal up…


In comment 16007956 japanhead said:


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In comment 16007946 sb from NYT Forum said:


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...I don't know how you get past that in evaluating Jones.

He looked a hell of a lot like Flowers yesterday.

I am not saying he stinks or is a bust, but right now he is terrible.



this is true. he was, and has been, nightmarishly bad. supposedly he was playing injured, and made some reference to the media today about the difficulty adjusting to playing right tackle. but jesus christ the early returns are not good.



Hey fucknut, did you miss the part where I said "I am not saying he stinks or is a bust"? But he has been bad and I am just pointing out that just maybe is a reason Jones looked bad last night.
RE: LAst night was one of t he worst games he's played  
Matt M. : 1/22/2023 2:12 pm : link
In comment 16008056 Matt M. said:
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He did seem to revert back to holding the ball and indecisiveness. There were at least 5 times where he needed to either just take off an run and get what he can or throw it away. He did neither.
His run out of bounds on 3rd and short for a 5 yard loss was a huge mistake.
Just for..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/22/2023 2:20 pm : link
historical perspective, even though it won't matter to those with pitchforks, Jones was pressured at a higher rate than ANY QB in the postseason in the modern era. That's with defenses like the 86 Giants team, the bears, the Ravens, etc.

Why are the circumstances around Jones always ignored when he plays poorly??
RE: jones was absolute dogshit yesterday.  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/22/2023 2:23 pm : link
In comment 16007926 japanhead said:
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straight-up embarrassing performance.

i realize the OL didn't do him many if any favors, but he looked overmatched and played his worst game of the season in the biggest game. bad passing, holding the ball too long, slow, confused, poor decision-making.

but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.

this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?

seriously?


I know this idiot would come out of the woodwork
I have literally been a see saw on Jones  
Essex : 1/22/2023 2:25 pm : link
I initially thought he showed great promise. I was about as down on him though after last year as you can get. I still had trouble coming to terms with Jones--but you can't deny he elevated this team.

Last night he was under siege because his Right Tackle is a turnstile and the limitations of his receivers about separation showed up. He was able to get away from that against a team like the Vikings that play a soft defense, but not a defense that has two very solid (even if I think overrated corners) and a historically good pass rush.

I'm not an All 22 guy  
mittenedman : 1/22/2023 2:28 pm : link
but during the game, everytime it shows the view from behind Jones on replay, the WRs are completely smothered.
Ive been critical of Jones  
lax counsel : 1/22/2023 2:30 pm : link
But in fairness, there likely wasn’t a qb on the planet yesterday performing any better in the situation. He was overmatched because the team was overmatched. Yes, there are things he could have done better, but in the overall scheme, it wasn’t going to matter. I go back to Mahomes against the bucs in the Super Bowl, he looked over matched. I think Jones has shown enough to warrant another couple of years with some better players. Would I sign him to a cap busting top 5 qb contract? No. But the market will dictate that.

We saw that exact situation play out for Eli, even at his best, against the eagles in that stadium many times. Until the overall talent improves, the team will struggle in Philadelphia and Dallas.
Yesterdays loss  
cjac : 1/22/2023 2:33 pm : link
Is not on Jones, the Eagles absolutely dominated on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
Hope Jones resigns  
US1 Giants : 1/22/2023 2:38 pm : link
but one thing that bothers me is that with his performance, someone else is always given the blame by BBI. With Eli, he took responsibility for the losses and gave away the credit for wins to others.
RE: Yesterdays loss  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 2:44 pm : link
In comment 16008150 cjac said:
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Is not on Jones, the Eagles absolutely dominated on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.


He’s part of the team and didn’t play well. When you are QB and you lose as badly as we did yesterday, it’s a team loss.
RE: RE: Yesterdays loss  
cjac : 1/22/2023 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16008178 Sammo85 said:
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Is not on Jones, the Eagles absolutely dominated on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.



He’s part of the team and didn’t play well. When you are QB and you lose as badly as we did yesterday, it’s a team loss.


Of course he’s part of the team. Not saying he played well but you can’t put it all on him. They beat us in every phase of the game.
Reflecting on my  
Keaton028 : 1/22/2023 2:49 pm : link
own roller coaster of opinion swaps as it pertains to players like Jones has taught me to be more patient and less reactive. I was not a believer in Jones prior to the start of this season, and thought he was mediocre. However, I’ve come around. We see what he can be and the potential he has. I don’t want to flip flop again based on one poor game, against the number one seed, with a large difference in talent on both sides of the ball. I’m inclined to want to see the Giants make it work with him financially, and keep building around him. We have the coach in place. Losing DJ sets the team back in its search for a QB. I don’t want to see the Giants “let him walk” at this stage.
Since everyone brings up the Mahomes Super Bowl loss  
cosmicj : 1/22/2023 2:51 pm : link
Let’s compare and contrast. Mahomes was faced with an untenable situation vs Tampa, with backups at tackle protecting him and the Bucs D in some sort of zone. Sure, KC lost convincingly but not before Mahomes had made some absolutely amazing throws under intense pressure.

Did Jones do that? Nope. No one blames him solely for the loss, but the fact that he wasn’t able to do anything impressive out there needs to be accounted for in his contract negotiations.
RE: RE: RE: Yesterdays loss  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16008182 cjac said:
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In comment 16008178 Sammo85 said:


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Is not on Jones, the Eagles absolutely dominated on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.



He’s part of the team and didn’t play well. When you are QB and you lose as badly as we did yesterday, it’s a team loss.



Of course he’s part of the team. Not saying he played well but you can’t
put it all on him. They beat us in every phase of the game.


I never said it was all on him. Team loss and shows QBs are not the only driving factor in team success.
Jones  
Archer : 1/22/2023 3:32 pm : link
The Jones haters are out in force. They have been waiting for the Giants to lose and for the offense to sputter.

Jones did not play well, but he did not lose the game. If you watched the defense was awful. They could not stop the Eagles.

The Giants lost as a team. You could put Mahomes or any other QB on the Giants team and they were going to lose.

Jones has demonstrated that given time he can be effective, unfortunately he was pressured almost 70% of his pass plays, and his receivers were not getting open.

This game will be a learning experience and a part of the rebuild.

The Giants need to be able to stop the run and they need to control the line on both sides. They need receivers who can get separation against good 3rd level players.

This is a process and the Giants are in year one. Lets see what happens next year.
I hate the terms Jones Haters or  
Keaton028 : 1/22/2023 3:51 pm : link
Jones Defenders. No one here hates him. There are different degrees to which fans believe in him or don’t. I’ve been all across that spectrum myself. Let’s not divide this community into little groupings or cliques. We are all Giants fans, no one hates DJ, intelligent discussion can be had as to why we believe he is the guy or not.
RE: I hate the terms Jones Haters or  
Hammer : 1/22/2023 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16008351 Keaton028 said:
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Jones Defenders. No one here hates him. There are different degrees to which fans believe in him or don’t. I’ve been all across that spectrum myself. Let’s not divide this community into little groupings or cliques. We are all Giants fans, no one hates DJ, intelligent discussion can be had as to why we believe he is the guy or not.


You're wrong. There are Jones haters. Just look at this thread.
Do they you think, though,  
Keaton028 : 1/22/2023 4:28 pm : link
that if there are Giants fans who truly “hate” Jones, they’re probably not worth discussing anything with?
RE: Since everyone brings up the Mahomes Super Bowl loss  
k2tampa : 1/22/2023 5:54 pm : link
In comment 16008187 cosmicj said:
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Let’s compare and contrast. Mahomes was faced with an untenable situation vs Tampa, with backups at tackle protecting him and the Bucs D in some sort of zone. Sure, KC lost convincingly but not before Mahomes had made some absolutely amazing throws under intense pressure.

Did Jones do that? Nope. No one blames him solely for the loss, but the fact that he wasn’t able to do anything impressive out there needs to be accounted for in his contract negotiations.
Wednesday.

Remind me again who Mahomes was throwing to in that game?
This is horrendous  
Prude : 1/22/2023 6:20 pm : link
Jesus Christ himself couldn't have put up a good game with these receivers and this gamplan.

Return of the Straw Man Crew  
cosmicj : 1/22/2023 6:23 pm : link
Look, I want Jones back, but enough of blaming everyone around him for his troubles. He didn’t play well.
it is silly to blame jones  
hitdog42 : 1/22/2023 6:28 pm : link
it is also silly to pretend that he played OK yesterday. He did not. he played terrible, just like his line did, his coaches did, and the linebackers did. he was not decisive. he threw several awful balls. he looked a bit wide eyes happy feet- total opposite of Minny game.

does this mean he stinks. no he has massively exceeded expectations. But lets not pretend like he is not benefitting from the scheming.

tag the guy- improve the line, improve the WR, and see what he can do with that before throwing an insane long term contract his way.
RE: Do they you think, though,  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 1/22/2023 7:29 pm : link
In comment 16008473 Keaton028 said:
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that if there are Giants fans who truly “hate” Jones, they’re probably not worth discussing anything with?


Yes. But they keep interjecting.
RE: Since everyone brings up the Mahomes Super Bowl loss  
Johnny5 : 1/22/2023 8:09 pm : link
In comment 16008187 cosmicj said:
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Let’s compare and contrast. Mahomes was faced with an untenable situation vs Tampa, with backups at tackle protecting him and the Bucs D in some sort of zone. Sure, KC lost convincingly but not before Mahomes had made some absolutely amazing throws under intense pressure.

Did Jones do that? Nope. No one blames him solely for the loss, but the fact that he wasn’t able to do anything impressive out there needs to be accounted for in his contract negotiations.

Well... he's definitely not Mahomes. But he is still a top ten QB IMO. We can certainly win with him, especially with a better roster.
RE: I hate the terms Jones Haters or  
kickoff : 1/23/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16008351 Keaton028 said:
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Jones Defenders. No one here hates him. There are different degrees to which fans believe in him or don’t. I’ve been all across that spectrum myself. Let’s not divide this community into little groupings or cliques. We are all Giants fans, no one hates DJ, intelligent discussion can be had as to why we believe he is the guy or not.

Are you sure of that??
RE: Just for..  
Hammer : 1/23/2023 2:09 pm : link
In comment 16008119 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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historical perspective, even though it won't matter to those with pitchforks, Jones was pressured at a higher rate than ANY QB in the postseason in the modern era. That's with defenses like the 86 Giants team, the bears, the Ravens, etc.

Why are the circumstances around Jones always ignored when he plays poorly??


Excelent point. And a fact lost, or ignored, on many.
RE: I hate the terms Jones Haters or  
.McL. : 1/23/2023 3:13 pm : link
In comment 16008351 Keaton028 said:
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Jones Defenders. No one here hates him. There are different degrees to which fans believe in him or don’t. I’ve been all across that spectrum myself. Let’s not divide this community into little groupings or cliques. We are all Giants fans, no one hates DJ, intelligent discussion can be had as to why we believe he is the guy or not.

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