I didn't hate him either, but then the last few weeks had me thinking he's our guy, and he is whether we like it or not. Yesterday, it looked to me like he reverted back to what I saw before the last few weeks.
The problem I have is I can't see his receivers when Jones looks flustered. I see Jones pumping the ball like he wants to throw it, then he doesn't throw it, and he's swallowed up. He has to throw the ball to a place where only his guys can catch it. No pumping, just fucking throw it.
Also, and its along the same lines, is his running. What I would like to see is him completing long throws after he decides to run alah Aaron Rogers. It's great that he can run and get first downs, it is I'm not arguing against that, but the next step is to use mobility as a deep throw threat. I rarely see him attempt that. Again I can't see the receivers.
I do think there is another level for him to get to. I believe in him and his work ethic.
I hope he can do it.
i realize the OL didn't do him many if any favors, but he looked overmatched and played his worst game of the season in the biggest game. bad passing, holding the ball too long, slow, confused, poor decision-making.
but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.
this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?
seriously?
The argument people have against DJ is that his 3 best games came against awful defenses (MIN x2, IND). That’s true. But that shows what he is capable of when his receiving core isn’t overmatched and he actually has windows to throw.
Daniel is only going to get better as the situation improves. A lot of work to do around him this off-season.
i realize the OL didn't do him many if any favors, but he looked overmatched and played his worst game of the season in the biggest game. bad passing, holding the ball too long, slow, confused, poor decision-making.
but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.
this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?
seriously?
I predicted that you idiots would come out of the woodwork yesterday if DJ had a bad game. News flash, the WHOLE team sucked yesterday including the coaching. I knew we weren't winning that game. We are a TERRIBLE matchup with that DL with our OL. Our talent is 2 notches below teams like the Eagles and Cowboys but Daboll and staff had this team playing really good ball for most of the year, and playing above their heads. Also with a WR corp not one of which would see the field for the Eagles. But yes it's all on DJ. LOL
but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.
this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?
I agree. This wasn't just yesterday. I'm beginning to think some of these posters have a sexual attraction to the man. They like pissy girlfriends.
seriously?
He looked a hell of a lot like Flowers yesterday.
I am not saying he stinks or is a bust, but right now he is terrible.
He looked a hell of a lot like Flowers yesterday.
I am not saying he stinks or is a bust, but right now he is terrible.
this is true. he was, and has been, nightmarishly bad. supposedly he was playing injured, and made some reference to the media today about the difficulty adjusting to playing right tackle. but jesus christ the early returns are not good.
i realize the OL didn't do him many if any favors, but he looked overmatched and played his worst game of the season in the biggest game. bad passing, holding the ball too long, slow, confused, poor decision-making.
but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.
this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?
seriously?
Show me the plays where receivers were getting any separation from DBs. And because of the pass rush (which was getting there in a blink on most plays), Philly could consistently cover with sevens guys. What receivers did he miss when they were open? Slayton on the long pass, but if Slayton had the physical strength of the average NFL receiver he catches that ball, and if he hadn't wanted to shy away from getting hit, he would have gotten PI (it might have been PI anyway). What other receiver had separation that Jones missed? There was one play where Jones escaped the pocket to the right and had a long time to wait for someone to get open. No one did.
Once they were down 14-0 Philly's front 4 was ignoring the run and just gunning for sacks. Was he as good as last week? Hell no. Was the line protection and separation by receivers way worse? Hell yes.
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...I don't know how you get past that in evaluating Jones.
He looked a hell of a lot like Flowers yesterday.
I am not saying he stinks or is a bust, but right now he is terrible.
this is true. he was, and has been, nightmarishly bad. supposedly he was playing injured, and made some reference to the media today about the difficulty adjusting to playing right tackle. but jesus christ the early returns are not good.
The argument people have against DJ is that his 3 best games came against awful defenses (MIN x2, IND). That’s true. But that shows what he is capable of when his receiving core isn’t overmatched and he actually has windows to throw.
Daniel is only going to get better as the situation improves. A lot of work to do around him this off-season.
It's gotten to the point where the Giants could win back to back Super Bowls and some on this site, who keep moving the bar, would say it wasn't because of Jones, the defense won the games. They would say the team won in spite of Jones. The bar keeps moving for these posters. Remember when he couldn't win? Then it was he couldn't get them to the playoffs. Then it was he has to win in the playoffs. Now it's he didn't get them to the NFC championship game.
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...I don't know how you get past that in evaluating Jones.
He looked a hell of a lot like Flowers yesterday.
I am not saying he stinks or is a bust, but right now he is terrible.
this is true. he was, and has been, nightmarishly bad. supposedly he was playing injured, and made some reference to the media today about the difficulty adjusting to playing right tackle. but jesus christ the early returns are not good.
Hey fucknut, did you miss the part where I said "I am not saying he stinks or is a bust"? But he has been bad and I am just pointing out that just maybe is a reason Jones looked bad last night.
Why are the circumstances around Jones always ignored when he plays poorly??
i realize the OL didn't do him many if any favors, but he looked overmatched and played his worst game of the season in the biggest game. bad passing, holding the ball too long, slow, confused, poor decision-making.
but, this is who jones has been. he can beat the bad defenses. he can beat the redskins. against a good team with a good defense? he's a 0 TD 1-2 interception guy.
this is the guy some of you are falling over yourselves to pay 40 million a year to?
seriously?
I know this idiot would come out of the woodwork
Last night he was under siege because his Right Tackle is a turnstile and the limitations of his receivers about separation showed up. He was able to get away from that against a team like the Vikings that play a soft defense, but not a defense that has two very solid (even if I think overrated corners) and a historically good pass rush.
We saw that exact situation play out for Eli, even at his best, against the eagles in that stadium many times. Until the overall talent improves, the team will struggle in Philadelphia and Dallas.
He’s part of the team and didn’t play well. When you are QB and you lose as badly as we did yesterday, it’s a team loss.
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Is not on Jones, the Eagles absolutely dominated on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
He’s part of the team and didn’t play well. When you are QB and you lose as badly as we did yesterday, it’s a team loss.
Of course he’s part of the team. Not saying he played well but you can’t put it all on him. They beat us in every phase of the game.
Did Jones do that? Nope. No one blames him solely for the loss, but the fact that he wasn’t able to do anything impressive out there needs to be accounted for in his contract negotiations.
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Is not on Jones, the Eagles absolutely dominated on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
He’s part of the team and didn’t play well. When you are QB and you lose as badly as we did yesterday, it’s a team loss.
Of course he’s part of the team. Not saying he played well but you can’t
put it all on him. They beat us in every phase of the game.
I never said it was all on him. Team loss and shows QBs are not the only driving factor in team success.
Jones did not play well, but he did not lose the game. If you watched the defense was awful. They could not stop the Eagles.
The Giants lost as a team. You could put Mahomes or any other QB on the Giants team and they were going to lose.
Jones has demonstrated that given time he can be effective, unfortunately he was pressured almost 70% of his pass plays, and his receivers were not getting open.
This game will be a learning experience and a part of the rebuild.
The Giants need to be able to stop the run and they need to control the line on both sides. They need receivers who can get separation against good 3rd level players.
This is a process and the Giants are in year one. Lets see what happens next year.
You're wrong. There are Jones haters. Just look at this thread.
Did Jones do that? Nope. No one blames him solely for the loss, but the fact that he wasn’t able to do anything impressive out there needs to be accounted for in his contract negotiations.
Remind me again who Mahomes was throwing to in that game?
does this mean he stinks. no he has massively exceeded expectations. But lets not pretend like he is not benefitting from the scheming.
tag the guy- improve the line, improve the WR, and see what he can do with that before throwing an insane long term contract his way.
Yes. But they keep interjecting.
Did Jones do that? Nope. No one blames him solely for the loss, but the fact that he wasn’t able to do anything impressive out there needs to be accounted for in his contract negotiations.
Well... he's definitely not Mahomes. But he is still a top ten QB IMO. We can certainly win with him, especially with a better roster.
Are you sure of that??
Why are the circumstances around Jones always ignored when he plays poorly??
Excelent point. And a fact lost, or ignored, on many.
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