1 yr 31.5 million fully guaranteed or if he goes somewhere else that team has to give us 2 first rounders.
And if nobody wants to trade - you're fielding a QB in 2023 who has openly told you he doesn't want to be here. Or you've got a highly paid player on the bench a la Golladay. Terrible situation.
If he tells them he doens't want to be here, or give me $50M/year + stock options, he's gone. There will be no franchise tag. IMO.
If he wants more than we're willing to give him, he can walk.
And then what? Bring guys like Flacco, Ryan, Wilson, and other used up qb's and a whole parade of rookie qb's for then next 5 years? No, Jones is the best option.
Why Jones Said he loves the Giants but it was about business
First,I used to be CJ in AZ but due to password problems and my inability to figure out how to return to that name I am now a number.
It seem obvious to me that DJ's agent prepared DJ to say what he said long before the end of the last game. It is exactly what the agent would want him to say.
Just compare Barkley's comments to Jones comments....a huge difference in attitude. Maybe Jones is just negotiating here....but sure doesn't seem like it. Does not feel like there's much goodwill towards Giants for drafting him so high above consensus and sticking with him through some very shaky play.
He's also been through three coaches and some dog shit rosters. Ownership screwed him up, and finally admitted so last year. So he may not feel like this is the place for him long term, because they've been essentially rebuilding his entire tenure here.
Which now will beg question if he leaves, of what the plan B is at QB?
fretting what a player said cleaning out his locker? His agent probably told him to deflect contract talks. He may still be agitated(with himself) over the night before.
If the Giants want him back, he will be back - period.
Saying its business. This coaching staff did a great job and really helped Jones to improve but I can't help but feel there is a bit of an attitude coming from Jones.
I don't think he comes back.
Don't want Barkley back either. Spend the money in the trenches.
I’d stick to 25-30 at most with the escape hatch after two years. I think that is high for him but we may not have any options. Those saying just pay anything to him and there are many in here that have done that are crazy. We need to fill a lot of holes on this team and if DJ is overpaid we’ll be talking about how he has no one good around him three years from now.
RE: DJ should be offered market for what he has done
I’d stick to 25-30 at most with the escape hatch after two years. I think that is high for him but we may not have any options. Those saying just pay anything to him and there are many in here that have done that are crazy. We need to fill a lot of holes on this team and if DJ is overpaid we’ll be talking about how he has no one good around him three years from now.
And market for him I think is around the 15 QB range of NFL QBs with a deviation of 3.
Both sides want to get this done. It won’t be a problem.
THIS.
But that said, if Jones is going to reach for the moon, let him walk.
What's the moon in your mind?
Before last night, most of us were getting comfortable with the thought the AAV would be = or > than the non-EFT and that a $100M guarantee could be argued - and successfully - by Team Jones.
fretting what a player said cleaning out his locker? His agent probably told him to deflect contract talks. He may still be agitated(with himself) over the night before.
If the Giants want him back, he will be back - period.
I don't think this one is that simple. Schoen has to have a floor and ceiling for these talks and so does Jones. If they don't really meet, he might be gone. In other t=words, the Giants might "want him back" and he might "want to remain a Giant", but if Schoen sets a ceiling of $30M and Jones wants $40M, he might be playing elsewhere.
we, the fans, have treated him like shit. The owners have probably given him a little more leeway than most owners would, but he is going to do what is best for Daniel Jones.
Agree and when Giants didn't pick up his 5th year option all bets were off. Having said that if no deal is reached they ll be some kind of tag on him
How is that not reaching for the moon? I think there is close to a 0% chance he gets that offer from the Giants. Jones went from a bottom tier QB to middle of the pack this year. That is elite/top 10 QB money.
To reach for the moon. We declined his option and he didn’t cry about it. He worked his butt off and raised his market price. The Giants still control the situation as they can franchise him or they can let him walk. Plain and simple.
Saying its business. This coaching staff did a great job and really helped Jones to improve but I can't help but feel there is a bit of an attitude coming from Jones.
I don't think he comes back.
Don't want Barkley back either. Spend the money in the trenches.
It's not his attitude. It's his agent's attitude. And regardless, it's the correct take - this is a business. He doesn't owe the Giants anything.
If Jones (or his agent) has got any brains, he knows he's got more leverage in this negotiation. Millions of dollars might depend on convincing Joe Schoen that he's perfectly comfortable exploring the free agent market instead of re-signing with the Giants.
RE: RE: RE: I don’t think “red flag” means what you think it does
you just listed things that happened, none of it is alarming. Schoens primary tasks year 1 we’re getting the cap corrected and having a strong draft. Handing out new contracts before the coaches had any hands on experience with a poor roster would have been strange to say the least.
Let's think back to Josh Allen's rookie year with the Bills. It was pretty terrible. You mean to tell me that neither Joe Schoen nor Brian Daboll, who worked together in the same facility, did 0 prep on DJ coming out in the draft just 1 year later and then also watched 0 tape on DJ after coming to NYG? The 5th year option is a no brainer if you like the QB even a little bit. It doesn't appear to me that Joe OR Brian Daboll OR Mike Kafka liked DJ enough to talk themselves into a very cost effective 5th year option. Now they'll have to pay a pretty penny IF they want to keep him around.
You are way to invested in being right, so much so that you aren’t even entertaining the fact that not every situation is comparable to Buffalo. Who cares what happened there - why does it matter to us what happened to Josh Allen, a better QB that the GM had a hand in drafting and who the coach, coached?
They didn’t tie themselves into more money for 2023 to keep all options open. It’s not a flawless strategy but it’s got the least amount of downside. We are facing a good problem to have, enjoy it and see what happens.
The poster- sharp... hates Jones., He's not going to be reasonable in these discussions. He's going to invent things just so he can bash Jones.
Saying its business. This coaching staff did a great job and really helped Jones to improve but I can't help but feel there is a bit of an attitude coming from Jones.
I don't think he comes back.
Don't want Barkley back either. Spend the money in the trenches.
It's not his attitude. It's his agent's attitude. And regardless, it's the correct take - this is a business. He doesn't owe the Giants anything.
If Jones (or his agent) has got any brains, he knows he's got more leverage in this negotiation. Millions of dollars might depend on convincing Joe Schoen that he's perfectly comfortable exploring the free agent market instead of re-signing with the Giants.
I hope The Giants don't take the philosophy you are taking. Tennessee I'm sure felt the same way about Tannehill that they felt they had to sign him. And Seattle got backed into a corner and wisely dumped their QB. Sometimes the best move is to just "pass."
IMO The Giants have to look at how long before they can compete at the Philly level with an eye on signing their all-Pros Thomas and Lawrence. Regardless how bad they got beat they are deserved All_Pros. If the QB contract is like Tenn or Denver - you have to pass.
IMO The Giants have to look at how long before they can compete at the Philly level with an eye on signing their all-Pros Thomas and Lawrence. Regardless how bad they got beat they are deserved All_Pros. If the QB contract is like Tenn or Denver - you have to pass.
The contracts that Tannehill and Wilson signed bear almost zero relationship to one another.
$30 million per year might as well be the floor for a contract with DJ, and the reality is that it's probably a few million higher.
I’M NOT TAKING A LOT LESS TO STAY IF SOMEONE THATS decent OFFERS THE MOON, OR AT LEAST MARKET.
SO it’s up to the Giants to offer the right number.
It’s business.
you just listed things that happened, none of it is alarming. Schoens primary tasks year 1 we’re getting the cap corrected and having a strong draft. Handing out new contracts before the coaches had any hands on experience with a poor roster would have been strange to say the least.
Let's think back to Josh Allen's rookie year with the Bills. It was pretty terrible. You mean to tell me that neither Joe Schoen nor Brian Daboll, who worked together in the same facility, did 0 prep on DJ coming out in the draft just 1 year later and then also watched 0 tape on DJ after coming to NYG? The 5th year option is a no brainer if you like the QB even a little bit. It doesn't appear to me that Joe OR Brian Daboll OR Mike Kafka liked DJ enough to talk themselves into a very cost effective 5th year option. Now they'll have to pay a pretty penny IF they want to keep him around.
You are way to invested in being right, so much so that you aren’t even entertaining the fact that not every situation is comparable to Buffalo. Who cares what happened there - why does it matter to us what happened to Josh Allen, a better QB that the GM had a hand in drafting and who the coach, coached?
They didn’t tie themselves into more money for 2023 to keep all options open. It’s not a flawless strategy but it’s got the least amount of downside. We are facing a good problem to have, enjoy it and see what happens.
The poster- sharp... hates Jones., He's not going to be reasonable in these discussions. He's going to invent things just so he can bash Jones.
Where have I given my personal opinion on Jones even once in this thread? In fact, where have I even talked about DJ's performance?
Literally every single one of my posts here is talking about the front office's demeanor towards Jones. If they liked DJ they would have picked up the option or made more progress with contract talks DURING the season. They haven't. These are facts, not my personal opinion about Daniel Jones.
there is no vibe, imv..He just came off an embarrassing whipping and had an immediate presser afterwards. I doubt he decompressed from that..I think it’s much ado
year and I love his warrior mentality the game is set up for even the most average quarterback to succeed. I mean seriously, do we really think Chubba Purdy, Dak Prescott, and Jalen Hurts are a group of once in a lifetime talents?
Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
1 yr 31.5 million fully guaranteed or if he goes somewhere else that team has to give us 2 first rounders.
This. Brock Purdy is in the championship game. Build the roster. Dont handcuff the cap unless it's a good deal for both. DJ had a great year but he's not a top 5 QB. Teams over panic and over pay. Murray Dak Cousins etc.
Again. You can pay the kid but it can't be some insane contract.
RE: RE: And Jones won’t/isn’t “reaching for the moon”
How is that not reaching for the moon? I think there is close to a 0% chance he gets that offer from the Giants. Jones went from a bottom tier QB to middle of the pack this year. That is elite/top 10 QB money.
Paying A+ money for B talent is what gets a GM fired.
I found it interesting when, during the latter part of the season, Daboll was asked about Jones. He would always say he was "good" or has done a "good job" for us all season. Never a superlative. Sure, maybe just trying to keep Jones motivated, but maybe he was also keeping in mind how a few gushing reviews could be useful for the other side in future negotiations.
I think BD was also trying to instill the team concept.
Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
How do you know the Giants love DJ?
We know John Mara does, which is why we need to keep him away from the microphone for a while.
RE: RE: RE: And Jones won’t/isn’t “reaching for the moon”
How is that not reaching for the moon? I think there is close to a 0% chance he gets that offer from the Giants. Jones went from a bottom tier QB to middle of the pack this year. That is elite/top 10 QB money.
Paying A+ money for B talent is what gets a GM fired.
If Schoen gives Jones a mega deal he will wear that deal around his neck for his duration as GM.
Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
How do you know the Giants love DJ?
Oh, let me count the ways....
Steve tisch January 16, 2023
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Asked what he thought of his quarterback, Steve Tisch smiled and said: “The world.”
Joe schoen today...
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"He continued to prove [himself] throughout the season. I don't know the exact date or time when we were like 'Daniel is our guy,' but we're pleased with how he played this season."
1 yr 31.5 million fully guaranteed or if he goes somewhere else that team has to give us 2 first rounders.
This. Brock Purdy is in the championship game. Build the roster. Dont handcuff the cap unless it's a good deal for both. DJ had a great year but he's not a top 5 QB. Teams over panic and over pay. Murray Dak Cousins etc.
Again. You can pay the kid but it can't be some insane contract.
Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
How do you know the Giants love DJ?
He put the team on his back to clinch the playoffs and essentially earn the team a bye the last week of the season and then he played the best game of his career on the road and won his first playoff game. Our starting WRs were practice squad players.
I find it absolutely hilarious that you think any internal scouting will matter more than that in their feelings about Jones. I know you are not stupid but you are making a fool of yourself daily for weeks now with specious arguments.
Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
How do you know the Giants love DJ?
He put the team on his back to clinch the playoffs and essentially earn the team a bye the last week of the season and then he played the best game of his career on the road and won his first playoff game. Our starting WRs were practice squad players.
I find it absolutely hilarious that you think any internal scouting will matter more than that in their feelings about Jones. I know you are not stupid but you are making a fool of yourself daily for weeks now with specious arguments.
He's a bullshitter. I've told him that many times. He'll bullshit anything to try to make his own opinion stand.
what life is like with a coach like Daboll and what it's like with the Judges and Shurmurs of the world. It's possible he sees remaining with Daboll as his best shot at continued growth and earnings potential.
Look at how Mahomes, Allen and Lamar Jackson thrived under competent leadership and now look at Justin Fields and his uncertain trajectory.
Look at Trevor Lawrence under Doug Pederson vs. Urban Meyer.
It's hard to forget the worst times but objectively, there's a lot to like about the Giants going forward if you're Jones.
I get the vibe from Schoen that the Giants have a price on Jones they won’t go over. If that have to franchise him, they will.
I posted earlier about the non-exclusive tag, but a look at the Giants cap space and how much the tag would occupy, the reality might make a Jones tag untenable.
I get the vibe from Schoen that the Giants have a price on Jones they won’t go over. If that have to franchise him, they will.
I posted earlier about the non-exclusive tag, but a look at the Giants cap space and how much the tag would occupy, the reality might make a Jones tag untenable.
If the giants want to keep jones and by all accounts they do, then they will tag him without hesitation and continue to try and negotiate a contract.
There is absolutely ZERO chance that the Giants will allow jones to be a free agent and sign somewhere without getting compensation in a trade (in the remote possibility) that he does go somewhere.
I'm sure the giants and jones would prefer not to use the tag, but they will if they have to.
And if nobody wants to trade - you're fielding a QB in 2023 who has openly told you he doesn't want to be here. Or you've got a highly paid player on the bench a la Golladay. Terrible situation.
If he tells them he doens't want to be here, or give me $50M/year + stock options, he's gone. There will be no franchise tag. IMO.
It seem obvious to me that DJ's agent prepared DJ to say what he said long before the end of the last game. It is exactly what the agent would want him to say.
So, in the famous words of Aaron Rogers, "relax."
He's also been through three coaches and some dog shit rosters. Ownership screwed him up, and finally admitted so last year. So he may not feel like this is the place for him long term, because they've been essentially rebuilding his entire tenure here.
Which now will beg question if he leaves, of what the plan B is at QB?
If the Giants want him back, he will be back - period.
That would be reaching for the moon based on his body of work. IMO.
I don't think he comes back.
Don't want Barkley back either. Spend the money in the trenches.
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Both sides want to get this done. It won’t be a problem.
THIS.
But that said, if Jones is going to reach for the moon, let him walk.
What's the moon in your mind?
Before last night, most of us were getting comfortable with the thought the AAV would be = or > than the non-EFT and that a $100M guarantee could be argued - and successfully - by Team Jones.
If the Giants want him back, he will be back - period.
How is that not reaching for the moon? I think there is close to a 0% chance he gets that offer from the Giants. Jones went from a bottom tier QB to middle of the pack this year. That is elite/top 10 QB money.
I don't think he comes back.
Don't want Barkley back either. Spend the money in the trenches.
It's not his attitude. It's his agent's attitude. And regardless, it's the correct take - this is a business. He doesn't owe the Giants anything.
If Jones (or his agent) has got any brains, he knows he's got more leverage in this negotiation. Millions of dollars might depend on convincing Joe Schoen that he's perfectly comfortable exploring the free agent market instead of re-signing with the Giants.
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you just listed things that happened, none of it is alarming. Schoens primary tasks year 1 we’re getting the cap corrected and having a strong draft. Handing out new contracts before the coaches had any hands on experience with a poor roster would have been strange to say the least.
Let's think back to Josh Allen's rookie year with the Bills. It was pretty terrible. You mean to tell me that neither Joe Schoen nor Brian Daboll, who worked together in the same facility, did 0 prep on DJ coming out in the draft just 1 year later and then also watched 0 tape on DJ after coming to NYG? The 5th year option is a no brainer if you like the QB even a little bit. It doesn't appear to me that Joe OR Brian Daboll OR Mike Kafka liked DJ enough to talk themselves into a very cost effective 5th year option. Now they'll have to pay a pretty penny IF they want to keep him around.
You are way to invested in being right, so much so that you aren’t even entertaining the fact that not every situation is comparable to Buffalo. Who cares what happened there - why does it matter to us what happened to Josh Allen, a better QB that the GM had a hand in drafting and who the coach, coached?
They didn’t tie themselves into more money for 2023 to keep all options open. It’s not a flawless strategy but it’s got the least amount of downside. We are facing a good problem to have, enjoy it and see what happens.
The poster- sharp... hates Jones., He's not going to be reasonable in these discussions. He's going to invent things just so he can bash Jones.
Did we re-hire Gettleman to run the negotiations?
Or are you trolling?
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Saying its business. This coaching staff did a great job and really helped Jones to improve but I can't help but feel there is a bit of an attitude coming from Jones.
I don't think he comes back.
Don't want Barkley back either. Spend the money in the trenches.
It's not his attitude. It's his agent's attitude. And regardless, it's the correct take - this is a business. He doesn't owe the Giants anything.
If Jones (or his agent) has got any brains, he knows he's got more leverage in this negotiation. Millions of dollars might depend on convincing Joe Schoen that he's perfectly comfortable exploring the free agent market instead of re-signing with the Giants.
I hope The Giants don't take the philosophy you are taking. Tennessee I'm sure felt the same way about Tannehill that they felt they had to sign him. And Seattle got backed into a corner and wisely dumped their QB. Sometimes the best move is to just "pass."
IMO The Giants have to look at how long before they can compete at the Philly level with an eye on signing their all-Pros Thomas and Lawrence. Regardless how bad they got beat they are deserved All_Pros. If the QB contract is like Tenn or Denver - you have to pass.
IMO The Giants have to look at how long before they can compete at the Philly level with an eye on signing their all-Pros Thomas and Lawrence. Regardless how bad they got beat they are deserved All_Pros. If the QB contract is like Tenn or Denver - you have to pass.
The contracts that Tannehill and Wilson signed bear almost zero relationship to one another.
$30 million per year might as well be the floor for a contract with DJ, and the reality is that it's probably a few million higher.
The whole team stunk. Let that settle in for a few days.
They'll figure it out one way or the other.
He stays or he's tagged and traded.
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That said he will get something like 5/200.
Did we re-hire Gettleman to run the negotiations?
Or are you trolling?
SO it’s up to the Giants to offer the right number.
It’s business.
Tag him. Either he plays 1 year on the tag, gets a deal from another team and we take the two firsts, or we trade him and get fair value.
Just letting him walk is not an option.
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In comment 16008018 UConn4523 said:
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you just listed things that happened, none of it is alarming. Schoens primary tasks year 1 we’re getting the cap corrected and having a strong draft. Handing out new contracts before the coaches had any hands on experience with a poor roster would have been strange to say the least.
Let's think back to Josh Allen's rookie year with the Bills. It was pretty terrible. You mean to tell me that neither Joe Schoen nor Brian Daboll, who worked together in the same facility, did 0 prep on DJ coming out in the draft just 1 year later and then also watched 0 tape on DJ after coming to NYG? The 5th year option is a no brainer if you like the QB even a little bit. It doesn't appear to me that Joe OR Brian Daboll OR Mike Kafka liked DJ enough to talk themselves into a very cost effective 5th year option. Now they'll have to pay a pretty penny IF they want to keep him around.
You are way to invested in being right, so much so that you aren’t even entertaining the fact that not every situation is comparable to Buffalo. Who cares what happened there - why does it matter to us what happened to Josh Allen, a better QB that the GM had a hand in drafting and who the coach, coached?
They didn’t tie themselves into more money for 2023 to keep all options open. It’s not a flawless strategy but it’s got the least amount of downside. We are facing a good problem to have, enjoy it and see what happens.
The poster- sharp... hates Jones., He's not going to be reasonable in these discussions. He's going to invent things just so he can bash Jones.
Where have I given my personal opinion on Jones even once in this thread? In fact, where have I even talked about DJ's performance?
Literally every single one of my posts here is talking about the front office's demeanor towards Jones. If they liked DJ they would have picked up the option or made more progress with contract talks DURING the season. They haven't. These are facts, not my personal opinion about Daniel Jones.
The whole team stunk. Let that settle in for a few days.
They'll figure it out one way or the other.
He stays or he's tagged and traded.
Are you talking about Jones or Allen. Man, the Bills need to trade him. He sucked today
let the process play out. Senior bowl is next week. pretty sure that his agent will start getting an idea of his value.
Jesus Christ, a actual rational fan on this board. I love it.
Keep it up.
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
At least we know who was responsible for keeping the lotion on DG's home office desk full.
This. Brock Purdy is in the championship game. Build the roster. Dont handcuff the cap unless it's a good deal for both. DJ had a great year but he's not a top 5 QB. Teams over panic and over pay. Murray Dak Cousins etc.
Again. You can pay the kid but it can't be some insane contract.
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That said he will get something like 5/200.
How is that not reaching for the moon? I think there is close to a 0% chance he gets that offer from the Giants. Jones went from a bottom tier QB to middle of the pack this year. That is elite/top 10 QB money.
Paying A+ money for B talent is what gets a GM fired.
I think BD was also trying to instill the team concept.
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
How do you know the Giants love DJ?
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Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
How do you know the Giants love DJ?
We know John Mara does, which is why we need to keep him away from the microphone for a while.
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That said he will get something like 5/200.
How is that not reaching for the moon? I think there is close to a 0% chance he gets that offer from the Giants. Jones went from a bottom tier QB to middle of the pack this year. That is elite/top 10 QB money.
Paying A+ money for B talent is what gets a GM fired.
If Schoen gives Jones a mega deal he will wear that deal around his neck for his duration as GM.
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Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
How do you know the Giants love DJ?
Oh, let me count the ways....
Steve tisch January 16, 2023
Joe schoen today...
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1 yr 31.5 million fully guaranteed or if he goes somewhere else that team has to give us 2 first rounders.
This. Brock Purdy is in the championship game. Build the roster. Dont handcuff the cap unless it's a good deal for both. DJ had a great year but he's not a top 5 QB. Teams over panic and over pay. Murray Dak Cousins etc.
Again. You can pay the kid but it can't be some insane contract.
+1.
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Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
How do you know the Giants love DJ?
I find it absolutely hilarious that you think any internal scouting will matter more than that in their feelings about Jones. I know you are not stupid but you are making a fool of yourself daily for weeks now with specious arguments.
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Right now, it’s all about negotiation leverage. Dabs won’t commit to DJ publically. If the coach says “He’s our starter in 2023.” then it will cost the team more to keep him. So, the answer from both sides is “We’ll see what happens.”
The Giants love DJ and Barkley. They will likely both stay. But if it comes
down to one or the other? It will be Jones. But I expect both to be the building blocks of the next 5 plus years.
How do you know the Giants love DJ?
He put the team on his back to clinch the playoffs and essentially earn the team a bye the last week of the season and then he played the best game of his career on the road and won his first playoff game. Our starting WRs were practice squad players.
I find it absolutely hilarious that you think any internal scouting will matter more than that in their feelings about Jones. I know you are not stupid but you are making a fool of yourself daily for weeks now with specious arguments.
He's a bullshitter. I've told him that many times. He'll bullshit anything to try to make his own opinion stand.
Look at how Mahomes, Allen and Lamar Jackson thrived under competent leadership and now look at Justin Fields and his uncertain trajectory.
Look at Trevor Lawrence under Doug Pederson vs. Urban Meyer.
It's hard to forget the worst times but objectively, there's a lot to like about the Giants going forward if you're Jones.
I posted earlier about the non-exclusive tag, but a look at the Giants cap space and how much the tag would occupy, the reality might make a Jones tag untenable.
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I get the vibe from Schoen that the Giants have a price on Jones they won’t go over. If that have to franchise him, they will.
I posted earlier about the non-exclusive tag, but a look at the Giants cap space and how much the tag would occupy, the reality might make a Jones tag untenable.
If the giants want to keep jones and by all accounts they do, then they will tag him without hesitation and continue to try and negotiate a contract.
There is absolutely ZERO chance that the Giants will allow jones to be a free agent and sign somewhere without getting compensation in a trade (in the remote possibility) that he does go somewhere.
I'm sure the giants and jones would prefer not to use the tag, but they will if they have to.