Would that mean singing him for the average salary of the top 5 guys that play the position? No. I’d rather trade his rights or sign him to a reasonable 4 year contract.
I think it’s the fact he isn’t saying the same thing every free agent says, “I want to be here for life.”
And to be fair this organization has failed you in every way, the media and fans have crucified you, why would you want to come back?
He has no control on leaving in 2023, we can tag him and Jones knows that. He more likely feels like he let everyone down and isn’t interested in talking about his contract.
there is no world where on a tag he shouldn't command at least a 2nd round pick and probably more than that.
Wentz brought back 2nd round picks 2 years in a row.
Darnold brought back a 2nd round pick off a much worse performance in his first contract.
Derek Carr is probably going to bring back a 2nd round pick or more with a 33m cap # and there are probably a half dozen teams already jockeying to try to add him.
there is no world where jones doesn't get tagged at a minimum.
He is who he is. He’s never going to wear his emotions
on his sleeve or spill his guts to the media. He apologized publicly for the ONE time he yelled at a guy to catch the ball during a game.
I do think he’s intelligent enough to understand the difference between playing for a good coach and playing for the Joe Judge/Jason Garretts of the NFL. If he has to leave money on the table to play for the former, then I think that’s what he does.
Have watched dozens of negotiations and gleaned nothing of the posturing on both sides. The deal will get done, when it gets done. The Giants have the tag. Jones and agent know this and at worst he is getting $10 mill more that the 5th year option - win-win.
Aaron Judge was going to sign elsewhere - until he didn't.
No way Joe passed on the 5th year option at 20m or whatever it was and then instead tags him at 45 million.
Because they passed on the option year outright and then they didn't even discuss contract this season (according to DJ in his press conferences) leads me to believe that DJ is and was always going to be done in NY barring a miraculous SuperBowl win this year. The time to grab a short term contract would have been in season while he was playing OK but not lights out. Waiting till a playoff win to get a contract done is bad business and Joe Schoen doesn't strike me as a guy who does bad business.
The signs all point to Joe and front office letting him walk completely. Just my $0.02.
No way Joe passed on the 5th year option at 20m or whatever it was and then instead tags him at 45 million.
Because they passed on the option year outright and then they didn't even discuss contract this season (according to DJ in his press conferences) leads me to believe that DJ is and was always going to be done in NY barring a miraculous SuperBowl win this year. The time to grab a short term contract would have been in season while he was playing OK but not lights out. Waiting till a playoff win to get a contract done is bad business and Joe Schoen doesn't strike me as a guy who does bad business.
The signs all point to Joe and front office letting him walk completely. Just my $0.02.
Not sure what signs you are looking at.
If anything, it appears both sides are trying to get a deal done now.
RE: He is who he is. He’s never going to wear his emotions
on his sleeve or spill his guts to the media. He apologized publicly for the ONE time he yelled at a guy to catch the ball during a game.
I do think he’s intelligent enough to understand the difference between playing for a good coach and playing for the Joe Judge/Jason Garretts of the NFL. If he has to leave money on the table to play for the former, then I think that’s what he does.
Could be wrong though.
He might leave money on the table to play for a stronger team, and he’d find that in a number of locations.
No way Joe passed on the 5th year option at 20m or whatever it was and then instead tags him at 45 million.
Because they passed on the option year outright and then they didn't even discuss contract this season (according to DJ in his press conferences) leads me to believe that DJ is and was always going to be done in NY barring a miraculous SuperBowl win this year. The time to grab a short term contract would have been in season while he was playing OK but not lights out. Waiting till a playoff win to get a contract done is bad business and Joe Schoen doesn't strike me as a guy who does bad business.
The signs all point to Joe and front office letting him walk completely. Just my $0.02.
Not sure what signs you are looking at.
If anything, it appears both sides are trying to get a deal done now.
I said them already:
1. No 5th year option. Red flag
2. No pre season negotiations. Red flag
3. No bye week negotiations, which apparently they did have with Saquon. Red flag
4. Tag is prohibitive for a bottom tier QB and if anything they will use it on Saquon if needed.
They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
He's a smart guy. You don't put your cards on the table BEFORE you get hot and heavy with negotiations. He played this correctly. I believe Eric is right, they will get a deal done, that is fair to BOTH sides. Schoen hasn't worked this hard to get the cap under control, to just blow it up in 2 seconds. common guys!
I don’t think “red flag” means what you think it does
you just listed things that happened, none of it is alarming. Schoens primary tasks year 1 we’re getting the cap corrected and having a strong draft. Handing out new contracts before the coaches had any hands on experience with a poor roster would have been strange to say the least.
I think a team will be willing to give up two picks.
Some will say that's great. Well that can be true as well. Schoen will just have to find a better QB or at least one close to what Jones was at a cheaper price.
If he does not then he will get questioned significantly relatively soon. If Jones lights it up elsewhere it will be even greater if he fails finding another solution.
They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
I said them already:
1. No 5th year option. Red flag
2. No pre season negotiations. Red flag
3. No bye week negotiations, which apparently they did have with Saquon. Red flag
4. Tag is prohibitive for a bottom tier QB and if anything they will use it on Saquon if needed.
I dont agree with you at all on 1-3..
First, they are not going to sign Jones to a 5th year option OR negotiate his contract in pre season before this coaching staff has a chance to work with him. You need your coach to sign off on a move like this because his job is tied to that decision. It is not fair to have your coach make a decision on the QB before having time to work with the guy under game conditions. If anything it would have been a red flag for me as it relates to both the GM and the coach.
Next, you have no idea if/when there are any negotiations. Not everything is made public. "Reports" came out recently that the Giants and Jones were close to a deal. Jones just torpedoed that myth.
I found it interesting when, during the latter part of the season, Daboll was asked about Jones. He would always say he was "good" or has done a "good job" for us all season. Never a superlative. Sure, maybe just trying to keep Jones motivated, but maybe he was also keeping in mind how a few gushing reviews could be useful for the other side in future negotiations.
They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
I don't see it. It was widely held by Giants fans that Jones would have another bad year in 2022. Popular prediction was Taylor would be starting by December.
Schoen and Daboll had no way of knowing if their coaching would take. Jones could have imploded this season.
The smart play was to see how he developed (or didn't under the new coaching staff).
If you ask me, most signs point to him coming back unless he and his agent get unreasonable. If they do, they should let him walk.
RE: I don’t think “red flag” means what you think it does
you just listed things that happened, none of it is alarming. Schoens primary tasks year 1 we’re getting the cap corrected and having a strong draft. Handing out new contracts before the coaches had any hands on experience with a poor roster would have been strange to say the least.
Let's think back to Josh Allen's rookie year with the Bills. It was pretty terrible. You mean to tell me that neither Joe Schoen nor Brian Daboll, who worked together in the same facility, did 0 prep on DJ coming out in the draft just 1 year later and then also watched 0 tape on DJ after coming to NYG? The 5th year option is a no brainer if you like the QB even a little bit. It doesn't appear to me that Joe OR Brian Daboll OR Mike Kafka liked DJ enough to talk themselves into a very cost effective 5th year option. Now they'll have to pay a pretty penny IF they want to keep him around.
The non-exclusive franchise tag for Jones is $31.5M
If we doesn't agree to a very reasonable 3-4 year deal than we should absolutley use that on him. If someone else wants to sign him to a huge deal and give us 2 first round picks we can live with that.
Signing Jones to a monster deal and then having him play anything near what he did in the Philly game would set this team back many many years. Too much risk to take on when you have a strong alternate option like the non-exclusive franchise tag.
They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
I don't see it. It was widely held by Giants fans that Jones would have another bad year in 2022. Popular prediction was Taylor would be starting by December.
Schoen and Daboll had no way of knowing if their coaching would take. Jones could have imploded this season.
The smart play was to see how he developed (or didn't under the new coaching staff).
If you ask me, most signs point to him coming back unless he and his agent get unreasonable. If they do, they should let him walk.
I think this is fair. But, what do you consider unreasonable? I still think $35M is unreasonable, but was resigned to it being about where he lands.
I think Schoen and Daboll were 100% correct not to pick up the 5th year option. They needed to see more and I think they saw what they needed. As you hint, it may boil down, at this point, to how highly Jones thinks of himself and whether or not they are willing to use the tag on him.
The Indy and Minny game really did a ton for his stock. But, his showing last night, in my opinion, knocks him back down a peg. Indy and Minny were not good defenses. Philly was a real test after those performances and I think it's safe to say he didn't pass. Does that knock him back to $15M? No. But, I think it shows that the top end of the market is too much also. I think that is the worst outcome of last night. If they lost, but had a decent showing on offense, this could be a deal done quickly, even though they would be overpaying. Now, it turns back into a big question about how much they are willing to overpay.
They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
To refresh your memory: Jones missed the last third of the season with a serious neck injury. As fans we still don't know the details of that injury. Although Schoen and the Docs knew more there may have been no clear prognosis at the time. This is often the case with neck injuries. Schoen was not about to pick up an option on a QB who might never had taken another snap. As for the lack of in-season negotiations so what ? It worked out pretty well for the Yankees and Aaron Judge.
Also, I completely agree with the premise of this thread
Just compare Barkley's comments to Jones comments....a huge difference in attitude. Maybe Jones is just negotiating here....but sure doesn't seem like it. Does not feel like there's much goodwill towards Giants for drafting him so high above consensus and sticking with him through some very shaky play.
you just listed things that happened, none of it is alarming. Schoens primary tasks year 1 we’re getting the cap corrected and having a strong draft. Handing out new contracts before the coaches had any hands on experience with a poor roster would have been strange to say the least.
Let's think back to Josh Allen's rookie year with the Bills. It was pretty terrible. You mean to tell me that neither Joe Schoen nor Brian Daboll, who worked together in the same facility, did 0 prep on DJ coming out in the draft just 1 year later and then also watched 0 tape on DJ after coming to NYG? The 5th year option is a no brainer if you like the QB even a little bit. It doesn't appear to me that Joe OR Brian Daboll OR Mike Kafka liked DJ enough to talk themselves into a very cost effective 5th year option. Now they'll have to pay a pretty penny IF they want to keep him around.
You are way to invested in being right, so much so that you aren’t even entertaining the fact that not every situation is comparable to Buffalo. Who cares what happened there - why does it matter to us what happened to Josh Allen, a better QB that the GM had a hand in drafting and who the coach, coached?
They didn’t tie themselves into more money for 2023 to keep all options open. It’s not a flawless strategy but it’s got the least amount of downside. We are facing a good problem to have, enjoy it and see what happens.
They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
To refresh your memory: Jones missed the last third of the season with a serious neck injury. As fans we still don't know the details of that injury. Although Schoen and the Docs knew more there may have been no clear prognosis at the time. This is often the case with neck injuries. Schoen was not about to pick up an option on a QB who might never had taken another snap. As for the lack of in-season negotiations so what ? It worked out pretty well for the Yankees and Aaron Judge.
Didn't seem like the neck injury was ever a long term concern from DJ himself or anyone in the organization then or in the new regime. DJ never even had surgery on it. I think it's a huge stretch to say there were concerns about him "ever taking another snap". I think it's much more likely that no one was convinced of his play and declined the option that is almost always picked up for QBs that teams actually want to keep around.
the decision to pick up or not pick up his option would be very telling. But it didn’t happen that way. They inherited a bad team, including a QB who didn’t prove his worth yet, and an awful cap situation. This isn’t rocket science.
we, the fans, have treated him like shit. The owners have probably given him a little more leeway than most owners would, but he is going to do what is best for Daniel Jones.
would have been startling if they had picked up the fifth year option on Jones. Schoen and Daboll were not only in their first year with the Giants, this was their first time as a GM and head coach. They had also never seen Jones up close, he had not performed that well his first three years, and he was coming off a serious neck injury.
I certainly agree there is and should be a limit to what the Giants should pay for Jones, but Daboll has pretty much made it clear he loves Jones. Last night changes nothing about any contract negotiation, including Jones. The whole team was basically blown off the field. Everybody knows the Eagles have a lot more talent and were playing at home.
I'd be surprised if a deal doesn't get done. As someone noted, the FT is just too expensive.
1 yr 31.5 million fully guaranteed or if he goes somewhere else that team has to give us 2 first rounders.
And if nobody wants to trade - you're fielding a QB in 2023 who has openly told you he doesn't want to be here. Or you've got a highly paid player on the bench a la Golladay. Terrible situation.
If he tells them he doens't want to be here, or give me $50M/year + stock options, he's gone. There will be no franchise tag. IMO.
If he wants more than we're willing to give him, he can walk.
And then what? Bring guys like Flacco, Ryan, Wilson, and other used up qb's and a whole parade of rookie qb's for then next 5 years? No, Jones is the best option.
Why Jones Said he loves the Giants but it was about business
First,I used to be CJ in AZ but due to password problems and my inability to figure out how to return to that name I am now a number.
It seem obvious to me that DJ's agent prepared DJ to say what he said long before the end of the last game. It is exactly what the agent would want him to say.
THIS.
But that said, if Jones is going to reach for the moon, let him walk.
I think it’s the fact he isn’t saying the same thing every free agent says, “I want to be here for life.”
And to be fair this organization has failed you in every way, the media and fans have crucified you, why would you want to come back?
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what do you expect him to sound like?
I think it’s the fact he isn’t saying the same thing every free agent says, “I want to be here for life.”
And to be fair this organization has failed you in every way, the media and fans have crucified you, why would you want to come back?
He has no control on leaving in 2023, we can tag him and Jones knows that. He more likely feels like he let everyone down and isn’t interested in talking about his contract.
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Both sides want to get this done. It won’t be a problem.
THIS.
But that said, if Jones is going to reach for the moon, let him walk.
Agreed on all counts.
there is no world where on a tag he shouldn't command at least a 2nd round pick and probably more than that.
Wentz brought back 2nd round picks 2 years in a row.
Darnold brought back a 2nd round pick off a much worse performance in his first contract.
Derek Carr is probably going to bring back a 2nd round pick or more with a 33m cap # and there are probably a half dozen teams already jockeying to try to add him.
there is no world where jones doesn't get tagged at a minimum.
I do think he’s intelligent enough to understand the difference between playing for a good coach and playing for the Joe Judge/Jason Garretts of the NFL. If he has to leave money on the table to play for the former, then I think that’s what he does.
Could be wrong though.
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Both sides want to get this done. It won’t be a problem.
THIS.
But that said, if Jones is going to reach for the moon, let him walk.
I think Jones realizes that his best opportunity for a long career in the league right now is to continue to work under this coaching staff.
If he signs with the Jets for example, then they will ruin him and it will be his last significant contract.
Aaron Judge was going to sign elsewhere - until he didn't.
Because they passed on the option year outright and then they didn't even discuss contract this season (according to DJ in his press conferences) leads me to believe that DJ is and was always going to be done in NY barring a miraculous SuperBowl win this year. The time to grab a short term contract would have been in season while he was playing OK but not lights out. Waiting till a playoff win to get a contract done is bad business and Joe Schoen doesn't strike me as a guy who does bad business.
The signs all point to Joe and front office letting him walk completely. Just my $0.02.
Because they passed on the option year outright and then they didn't even discuss contract this season (according to DJ in his press conferences) leads me to believe that DJ is and was always going to be done in NY barring a miraculous SuperBowl win this year. The time to grab a short term contract would have been in season while he was playing OK but not lights out. Waiting till a playoff win to get a contract done is bad business and Joe Schoen doesn't strike me as a guy who does bad business.
The signs all point to Joe and front office letting him walk completely. Just my $0.02.
Not sure what signs you are looking at.
If anything, it appears both sides are trying to get a deal done now.
I do think he’s intelligent enough to understand the difference between playing for a good coach and playing for the Joe Judge/Jason Garretts of the NFL. If he has to leave money on the table to play for the former, then I think that’s what he does.
Could be wrong though.
He might leave money on the table to play for a stronger team, and he’d find that in a number of locations.
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Both sides want to get this done. It won’t be a problem.
THIS.
But that said, if Jones is going to reach for the moon, let him walk.
I think Jones realizes that his best opportunity for a long career in the league right now is to continue to work under this coaching staff.
If he signs with the Jets for example, then they will ruin him and it will be his last significant contract.
This. I’m not sure there’s a better coaching staff & opportunity out there that gives Daniel a better chance to continue building his long term value.
let the process play out. Senior bowl is next week. pretty sure that his agent will start getting an idea of his value.
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No way Joe passed on the 5th year option at 20m or whatever it was and then instead tags him at 45 million.
Because they passed on the option year outright and then they didn't even discuss contract this season (according to DJ in his press conferences) leads me to believe that DJ is and was always going to be done in NY barring a miraculous SuperBowl win this year. The time to grab a short term contract would have been in season while he was playing OK but not lights out. Waiting till a playoff win to get a contract done is bad business and Joe Schoen doesn't strike me as a guy who does bad business.
The signs all point to Joe and front office letting him walk completely. Just my $0.02.
Not sure what signs you are looking at.
If anything, it appears both sides are trying to get a deal done now.
I said them already:
1. No 5th year option. Red flag
2. No pre season negotiations. Red flag
3. No bye week negotiations, which apparently they did have with Saquon. Red flag
4. Tag is prohibitive for a bottom tier QB and if anything they will use it on Saquon if needed.
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Both sides want to get this done. It won’t be a problem.
THIS.
But that said, if Jones is going to reach for the moon, let him walk.
Sounds about right to me.
Obviously a large part of it will be what kind of interest he draws from other teams.
I have confidence this front office will make reasonable decisions.
Some will say that's great. Well that can be true as well. Schoen will just have to find a better QB or at least one close to what Jones was at a cheaper price.
If he does not then he will get questioned significantly relatively soon. If Jones lights it up elsewhere it will be even greater if he fails finding another solution.
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
I said them already:
1. No 5th year option. Red flag
2. No pre season negotiations. Red flag
3. No bye week negotiations, which apparently they did have with Saquon. Red flag
4. Tag is prohibitive for a bottom tier QB and if anything they will use it on Saquon if needed.
I dont agree with you at all on 1-3..
First, they are not going to sign Jones to a 5th year option OR negotiate his contract in pre season before this coaching staff has a chance to work with him. You need your coach to sign off on a move like this because his job is tied to that decision. It is not fair to have your coach make a decision on the QB before having time to work with the guy under game conditions. If anything it would have been a red flag for me as it relates to both the GM and the coach.
Next, you have no idea if/when there are any negotiations. Not everything is made public. "Reports" came out recently that the Giants and Jones were close to a deal. Jones just torpedoed that myth.
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They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
I don't see it. It was widely held by Giants fans that Jones would have another bad year in 2022. Popular prediction was Taylor would be starting by December.
Schoen and Daboll had no way of knowing if their coaching would take. Jones could have imploded this season.
The smart play was to see how he developed (or didn't under the new coaching staff).
If you ask me, most signs point to him coming back unless he and his agent get unreasonable. If they do, they should let him walk.
Let's think back to Josh Allen's rookie year with the Bills. It was pretty terrible. You mean to tell me that neither Joe Schoen nor Brian Daboll, who worked together in the same facility, did 0 prep on DJ coming out in the draft just 1 year later and then also watched 0 tape on DJ after coming to NYG? The 5th year option is a no brainer if you like the QB even a little bit. It doesn't appear to me that Joe OR Brian Daboll OR Mike Kafka liked DJ enough to talk themselves into a very cost effective 5th year option. Now they'll have to pay a pretty penny IF they want to keep him around.
Signing Jones to a monster deal and then having him play anything near what he did in the Philly game would set this team back many many years. Too much risk to take on when you have a strong alternate option like the non-exclusive franchise tag.
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They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
I don't see it. It was widely held by Giants fans that Jones would have another bad year in 2022. Popular prediction was Taylor would be starting by December.
Schoen and Daboll had no way of knowing if their coaching would take. Jones could have imploded this season.
The smart play was to see how he developed (or didn't under the new coaching staff).
If you ask me, most signs point to him coming back unless he and his agent get unreasonable. If they do, they should let him walk.
I think Schoen and Daboll were 100% correct not to pick up the 5th year option. They needed to see more and I think they saw what they needed. As you hint, it may boil down, at this point, to how highly Jones thinks of himself and whether or not they are willing to use the tag on him.
The Indy and Minny game really did a ton for his stock. But, his showing last night, in my opinion, knocks him back down a peg. Indy and Minny were not good defenses. Philly was a real test after those performances and I think it's safe to say he didn't pass. Does that knock him back to $15M? No. But, I think it shows that the top end of the market is too much also. I think that is the worst outcome of last night. If they lost, but had a decent showing on offense, this could be a deal done quickly, even though they would be overpaying. Now, it turns back into a big question about how much they are willing to overpay.
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They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
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you just listed things that happened, none of it is alarming. Schoens primary tasks year 1 we’re getting the cap corrected and having a strong draft. Handing out new contracts before the coaches had any hands on experience with a poor roster would have been strange to say the least.
Let's think back to Josh Allen's rookie year with the Bills. It was pretty terrible. You mean to tell me that neither Joe Schoen nor Brian Daboll, who worked together in the same facility, did 0 prep on DJ coming out in the draft just 1 year later and then also watched 0 tape on DJ after coming to NYG? The 5th year option is a no brainer if you like the QB even a little bit. It doesn't appear to me that Joe OR Brian Daboll OR Mike Kafka liked DJ enough to talk themselves into a very cost effective 5th year option. Now they'll have to pay a pretty penny IF they want to keep him around.
You are way to invested in being right, so much so that you aren’t even entertaining the fact that not every situation is comparable to Buffalo. Who cares what happened there - why does it matter to us what happened to Josh Allen, a better QB that the GM had a hand in drafting and who the coach, coached?
They didn’t tie themselves into more money for 2023 to keep all options open. It’s not a flawless strategy but it’s got the least amount of downside. We are facing a good problem to have, enjoy it and see what happens.
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Both sides want to get this done. It won’t be a problem.
THIS.
But that said, if Jones is going to reach for the moon, let him walk.
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In comment 16007995 Eric from BBI said:
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They weren't going to give him a deal before or during the season until they saw him play near a full season. That was obvious from the start. Would you have done so?
If I had even a modest amount of interest in continuing with DJ at any point in the future I would have picked up the 5th year option at whatever it was - $22 mil I believe. Joe obviously put thought into the QB room because he brought in Tyrod on a 2 year deal. It's not like he forgot about the option year. Now we're talking big time starting QB, multi year money that will almost certainly be fully guaranteed. That's a huge difference compared to 22m over 1 and we'd get another season with him.
To refresh your memory: Jones missed the last third of the season with a serious neck injury. As fans we still don't know the details of that injury. Although Schoen and the Docs knew more there may have been no clear prognosis at the time. This is often the case with neck injuries. Schoen was not about to pick up an option on a QB who might never had taken another snap. As for the lack of in-season negotiations so what ? It worked out pretty well for the Yankees and Aaron Judge.
Didn't seem like the neck injury was ever a long term concern from DJ himself or anyone in the organization then or in the new regime. DJ never even had surgery on it. I think it's a huge stretch to say there were concerns about him "ever taking another snap". I think it's much more likely that no one was convinced of his play and declined the option that is almost always picked up for QBs that teams actually want to keep around.
I certainly agree there is and should be a limit to what the Giants should pay for Jones, but Daboll has pretty much made it clear he loves Jones. Last night changes nothing about any contract negotiation, including Jones. The whole team was basically blown off the field. Everybody knows the Eagles have a lot more talent and were playing at home.
I'd be surprised if a deal doesn't get done. As someone noted, the FT is just too expensive.
And if nobody wants to trade - you're fielding a QB in 2023 who has openly told you he doesn't want to be here. Or you've got a highly paid player on the bench a la Golladay. Terrible situation.
If he tells them he doens't want to be here, or give me $50M/year + stock options, he's gone. There will be no franchise tag. IMO.
It seem obvious to me that DJ's agent prepared DJ to say what he said long before the end of the last game. It is exactly what the agent would want him to say.
So, in the famous words of Aaron Rogers, "relax."