In short, if the Giants use this tag, Jones can negotiate with another team and the Giants can match the deal or receive 2 first rounders from the new team.
Does anybody think Carolina or NYJ or Washington, for example, will ink a huge deal with Jones AND surrender two firsts? I think it's unlikely.
But if they do, don't you like getting two firsts for Jones? Or we can match.
Seems the way to go.
Huh? What is Jones leverage? Is he just going to retire?
2 first rounders for Jones. Zero. Using the non-exclusive tag means that Jones’ salary under the tag would be less than the exclusive tag. I’m sure that’s appealing.
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DOESNT want to play on a tag, that’s no the best way to go at QB. Just ask Washington who did it with Cousins TWICE- how’d that work out?
Huh? What is Jones leverage? Is he just going to retire?
He doesn't have leverage per se, but nobody wants the QB to feel betrayed. That's the reason he brought up Cousins. There was a lot of bad feeling there. But we can always tag and then sign.
2 first rounders for Jones. Zero. Using the non-exclusive tag means that Jones’ salary under the tag would be less than the exclusive tag. I’m sure that’s appealing.
My thoughts too.
4 years: $120M; w/$90M guaranteed type of range
Dak got 4 years $160M
Herbert might get 4 years $200M
I think Daniel Jones wants to be here but I have zero reason to think he's taking a discount. He might get Dak's deal or better if he hits the open market and his agent knows it.
Some QBs would. But not this one.
Yeah, but if someone gives you 2 firsts you can get a replacement. And you can still work out a multiyear deal before the season.
Two things. One, those are established superstar WRs. But two, you have to comp to another QB, not a WR.
Jones isn't a superstar QB. I can see a team asking for a first - tops.
4 years: $120M; w/$90M guaranteed type of range
Dak got 4 years $160M
Herbert might get 4 years $200M
I think Daniel Jones wants to be here but I have zero reason to think he's taking a discount. He might get Dak's deal or better if he hits the open market and his agent knows it.
DJ would be the 4th rated QB in this draft, at best, and most likely would be outside the top 10. Levis is going 9th in most mocks and the Eagles, picking 10th, aren't drafting a QB.
This is a MUCH better QB class than when DJ came out.
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I think we probably end up tagging him. Hopefully, a deal gets done, but I am not overly optimistic. Tag him, let him negotiate. If someone wants to give him a big deal we don't want to match, take the picks and go home. Sign Derek Carr or Jimmy G, if you think you can make a move now. Or go big and go after Lamar.
And he does have huge leverage in the FT process if he wants. Just refuse to play. Come in after week 9, get your year of service and the team is royally screwed.
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He'd easily be a top 10 pick. I can see a team like Washington and Carolina going after him even if we tag him, it would be a smart move for them IMO. But IMO the smart move for us is to try to get him on a long term deal for money that is cheap relative to what Dak got and what Herbert is about to get before even considering anyone's offers.
4 years: $120M; w/$90M guaranteed type of range
Dak got 4 years $160M
Herbert might get 4 years $200M
I think Daniel Jones wants to be here but I have zero reason to think he's taking a discount. He might get Dak's deal or better if he hits the open market and his agent knows it.
DJ would be the 4th rated QB in this draft, at best, and most likely would be outside the top 10. Levis is going 9th in most mocks and the Eagles, picking 10th, aren't drafting a QB.
This is a MUCH better QB class than when DJ came out.
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Davante Adams went for a 1st and a 2nd. AJ Brown went for a 1st and a 3rd. Tyreek Hill went for a 1st, a 2nd, 2 4ths, and a 6th. If a you think that a QB wouldn’t garner that, I think you’d be wrong.
Two things. One, those are established superstar WRs. But two, you have to comp to another QB, not a WR.
Jones isn't a superstar QB. I can see a team asking for a first - tops.
Wentz went for a 1st and 3rd. Darnold went for a 2nd, a 4th, and a 6th. I’m confident that we’d get two first rounders for Jones if he gets the non-exclusive FT.
That’s speculation, but even if it was fact, it would be completely irrelevant.
I think he would be. It would be close.
It gives JS and Co. 2/3 years to find a QB if they felt they were wrong on DJ).
Wentz went for a 1st and 3rd. Darnold went for a 2nd, a 4th, and a 6th. I’m confident that we’d get two first rounders for Jones if he gets the non-exclusive FT.
Wentz was third in the MVP voting and had three years of 60+ QBR performances.
Jones is not securing two firsts. If so, we should make that deal ASAP.
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Wentz went for a 1st and 3rd. Darnold went for a 2nd, a 4th, and a 6th. I’m confident that we’d get two first rounders for Jones if he gets the non-exclusive FT.
Wentz was third in the MVP voting and had three years of 60+ QBR performances.
Jones is not securing two firsts. If so, we should make that deal ASAP.
If someone is offering two 1st for Jones, then that means someone thinks he is a franchise QB. I would be close to taking it if they could be guaranteed to get a top 3 pick via trades.
Wentz was third in the MVP voting and had three years of 60+ QBR performances.
Jones is not securing two firsts. If so, we should make that deal ASAP.
If someone is offering two 1st for Jones, then that means someone thinks he is a franchise QB. I would be close to taking it if they could be guaranteed to get a top 3 pick via trades.
Let's game it out. Let's say the Indy wants Jones and give us their 4th pick this year and their first next year.
You might be able to stay at #4 to get Stroud. Would you take that?
Our would you trade that #4 and the #25 to move up to #1 to get Bryce Young?
Me? I would take Stroud at #4.
Definitely agree but if they can work out a deal before then that works for both sides, they'll go that route.
Giants still hold all the cards.
Yes, but so far as as anyone can tell, Eli never left a penny on the table when it came to his contract negotiations. Nobody ever faulted him for that, so why should DJ be amenable to it?
Forget it. You're not getting a discount. This may be the only chance Daniel Jones gets at life-altering money. They will lobby and leverage for every last cent.
Because they aren't true free agents.
There are tags.
+1 we haven’t even seen the best of DJ yet in my view.
You are praying that the Giants tag Jones and that another team signs him with a poison pill.
LOL
He doesn't have leverage per se, but nobody wants the QB to feel betrayed. That's the reason he brought up Cousins. There was a lot of bad feeling there. But we can always tag and then sign.
I think Jones has a ton of leverage and I would go so far as to say that he is in the driver's seat.
Think of this as a game of musical chairs where the chairs are QBs and the people playing are NFL teams. Except there are about 5-10 chairs short when it comes to QBs who give a team a legitimate shot at winning.
His agent knows the decision that Schoen and Daboll make will seal their fate. It is easier to sign Jones and continue to work with him, than roll the dice and end up being a 5 win team next season.
I do agree with your approach to trying to find a way to get him cheaper. I am just do not think there is a snowball's chance in getting him for less than $30 million per year.
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He doesn't have leverage per se, but nobody wants the QB to feel betrayed. That's the reason he brought up Cousins. There was a lot of bad feeling there. But we can always tag and then sign.
I think Jones has a ton of leverage and I would go so far as to say that he is in the driver's seat.
Think of this as a game of musical chairs where the chairs are QBs and the people playing are NFL teams. Except there are about 5-10 chairs short when it comes to QBs who give a team a legitimate shot at winning.
His agent knows the decision that Schoen and Daboll make will seal their fate. It is easier to sign Jones and continue to work with him, than roll the dice and end up being a 5 win team next season.
I do agree with your approach to trying to find a way to get him cheaper. I am just do not think there is a snowball's chance in getting him for less than $30 million per year.
How is Jones in the driver's seat when the Giants can just tag him and Jones Team can't do anything about it.
I think he'd rather have a multiyear deal with guaranteed money nearing $90M.