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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2023 6:36 pm
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Re-watching PHI vs NYG

Not sure how anyone could look past just how impactful FIVE dominant offensive linemen can be for a team.

Having 2 isn't enough. 3 isn't enough. 4 isn't enough.
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RE: RE: Ide use our money to .  
WillVAB : 1/22/2023 7:13 pm : link
In comment 16008964 j_rud said:
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In comment 16008874 BigBlueDawg56 said:


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Get Payne and edmunds. Might cost 22 and 15 but Ide rather get 2 studs in areas of need than a bunch of middle of the road depth pieces. Then we can load up on offense in the draft.



Edmunds seems like a great fit and not bc of the Daboll connection. I think the value is there. Sportrack has him valued at 11 mill per. You could even go a little higher and you'd be getting a lot of production for that price.


Edmunds sucks. Terrible football IQ.
RE: I hope people remember this  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2023 7:14 pm : link
In comment 16008968 WillVAB said:
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2-3 months from now but I suspect they won’t when they clamor for 2-3 WRs and 2 CBs in the draft.

The priority this off-season needs to be finishing the job on the OL and front 7 on defense.


Should we bother keeping Jones then?
If finding, 5 impactful OL is easy.....wouldn't everyone do it?  
George from PA : 1/22/2023 7:14 pm : link
Sure Sy.....how?
We cannot compete in this division without being dominant...  
DefenseWins : 1/22/2023 7:15 pm : link
on the line of scrimmage.. both sides of the ball.

We are going up against at least two other teams that are stronger in that area and people here complain how and why we cannot win division games.

We have to treat this situation the same way that the division handled the Lawrence Taylor situation. Although they failed, they had to immediately place focus on stopping the pass rush.

Unfortunately for us, we are having to fix both lines to be competitive. The good news is that our D line is not far away, we need linebackers to help support.
We still definitely need WRs.  
Joe Beckwith : 1/22/2023 7:17 pm : link
That said, I truly believe that at least 2 of our starting IOL next year will be different, and that Gates, Bredereson, Feliciano and our current bench and PS OL , not named Ezeudu or McKethan, will be fighting for a spot on the team.
RE: OL is never off the table  
bw in dc : 1/22/2023 7:17 pm : link
In comment 16008866 Sy'56 said:
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including round 1


Philly's starting 5 consists of (L to R):

7th rounder, 2nd rounder, 6th rounder, 3rd rounder, 1st rounder.
RE: I hope people remember this  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/22/2023 7:18 pm : link
In comment 16008968 WillVAB said:
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2-3 months from now but I suspect they won’t when they clamor for 2-3 WRs and 2 CBs in the draft.

The priority this off-season needs to be finishing the job on the OL and front 7 on defense.


I agree whole heartedly. Those other positions need help too. BPA.
RE: Cincinnati just dominated Buffalo  
bw in dc : 1/22/2023 7:19 pm : link
In comment 16008848 ajr2456 said:
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With three backups and an injured center. Yes it would be nice to have 5 dominant offensive lineman, but it’s the exception not the rule.


Smart post. Cincy rolled Buffalo's front seven. I was stunned by how cohesive they looked.
RE: RE: I hope people remember this  
WillVAB : 1/22/2023 7:20 pm : link
In comment 16008970 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 16008968 WillVAB said:


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2-3 months from now but I suspect they won’t when they clamor for 2-3 WRs and 2 CBs in the draft.

The priority this off-season needs to be finishing the job on the OL and front 7 on defense.



Should we bother keeping Jones then?


No idea how your comment is relevant to this thread.
RE: RE: OL is never off the table  
JoeFootball : 1/22/2023 7:20 pm : link
In comment 16008982 bw in dc said:
[quote] In comment 16008866 Sy'56 said:


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including round 1



Philly's starting 5 consists of (L to R):

7th rounder, 2nd rounder, 6th rounder, 3rd rounder, 1st rounder. [/quote


And behind them is a 1st 2nd and 4th]
Kelce is a converted TE who developed into a HoF center  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/22/2023 7:23 pm : link
That is not exactly a plan you can replicate or follow.
RE: RE: I hope people remember this  
WillVAB : 1/22/2023 7:25 pm : link
In comment 16008986 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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In comment 16008968 WillVAB said:


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2-3 months from now but I suspect they won’t when they clamor for 2-3 WRs and 2 CBs in the draft.

The priority this off-season needs to be finishing the job on the OL and front 7 on defense.



I agree whole heartedly. Those other positions need help too. BPA.


No doubt the Giants need WR and CB help. It may just have to wait. The smart play is to wait if the trade off is OL studs, DL studs, or ILB stud.
Good players at any position will help us get better  
JoeFootball : 1/22/2023 7:27 pm : link
I'm just tired of getting pushed around in these division games. Plus we see what happens at this level of the playoffs, Buffalo got shutdown.
TTH  
bc4life : 1/22/2023 7:27 pm : link
sick, especially given how dominant he is
RE: Kelce is a converted TE who developed into a HoF center  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/22/2023 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16009010 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That is not exactly a plan you can replicate or follow.


So was Peters though he started in Buffalo. It's not about where they came from just that you stay committed to it and keep at it till you have what you need. Then keep adding at it to replace someone.
RE: Cincinnati just dominated Buffalo  
Johnny5 : 1/22/2023 7:28 pm : link
In comment 16008848 ajr2456 said:
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With three backups and an injured center. Yes it would be nice to have 5 dominant offensive lineman, but it’s the exception not the rule. The Giants have poured plenty of resources into the line, it’s time to see if they can develop.

The Eagles looked so much faster than the Giants at nearly every skill position.

Did you watch the game? They pretty much DOMINATED the Buffalo DL.
RE: RE: OL is never off the table  
widmerseyebrow : 1/22/2023 7:28 pm : link
In comment 16008982 bw in dc said:
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Philly's starting 5 consists of (L to R):

7th rounder, 2nd rounder, 6th rounder, 3rd rounder, 1st rounder.


This is an important distinction. At some point you have to get good offensive line starters outside of round 1 and 2 or you start running a deficit on talented skill guys.
He is right  
kelly : 1/22/2023 7:28 pm : link
Build the o line and the front seven on defense.

We need dt, ilb, o line

Buffalo's D seems a good regular season D  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/22/2023 7:31 pm : link
Last two playoffs they got trounced. First by KC and then again today. Both those team ran for 170 plus the bulk of which came from the backs.
What to do now  
Colin@gbn : 1/22/2023 7:40 pm : link
Interesting discussion. And there is no question that the Giants need to do a better job up front: 49 sacks is too many. One can make a pretty good case though that Philly and Cincy are going to play each other in the Super Bowl (especially if Mahomes ankle is as bad as it looked). And those two teams each allowed 44 sacks this fall. So can we get real here. The Eagles and Bengals aren't on the verge of the SB because of their OLs. Philly exploded this year after acquiring WRs Brown and Smith in the past couple of years, plus they have a really dynamic pass rush with what 3-4 guys with double digit sacks numbers. And Cincinnati took off when the got Chase last year to go with Higgins. So how are we going to compete with those teams? Hell ya fix the offensive line!! Makes sense to me!
RE: I hope they’re listening  
markky : 1/22/2023 7:42 pm : link
In comment 16008875 UberAlias said:
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Sy’s a smart guy


I've often wished Sy worked for the Giants.
The last center they drafted was Weston Richburg  
DavidinBMNY : 1/22/2023 7:44 pm : link
Just saying.

And the last high draft pick used on an inside linebacker was Pepper Johnson.
RE: RE: Cincinnati just dominated Buffalo  
ajr2456 : 1/22/2023 7:44 pm : link
In comment 16009033 Johnny5 said:
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With three backups and an injured center. Yes it would be nice to have 5 dominant offensive lineman, but it’s the exception not the rule. The Giants have poured plenty of resources into the line, it’s time to see if they can develop.

The Eagles looked so much faster than the Giants at nearly every skill position.


Did you watch the game? They pretty much DOMINATED the Buffalo DL.


And they were still the backups. Part of the reason they were able to look so dominant was because of Burrow, Hurst, Chase, Higgins and Boyd
Linebackers and  
DJ5150 : 1/22/2023 7:44 pm : link
Wide receiver … depleted at both positions
RE: What to do now  
Chris684 : 1/22/2023 7:44 pm : link
In comment 16009081 Colin@gbn said:
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Interesting discussion. And there is no question that the Giants need to do a better job up front: 49 sacks is too many. One can make a pretty good case though that Philly and Cincy are going to play each other in the Super Bowl (especially if Mahomes ankle is as bad as it looked). And those two teams each allowed 44 sacks this fall. So can we get real here. The Eagles and Bengals aren't on the verge of the SB because of their OLs. Philly exploded this year after acquiring WRs Brown and Smith in the past couple of years, plus they have a really dynamic pass rush with what 3-4 guys with double digit sacks numbers. And Cincinnati took off when the got Chase last year to go with Higgins. So how are we going to compete with those teams? Hell ya fix the offensive line!! Makes sense to me!


Colin not sure if your last question is sarcastic. If so, why? You mentioned the Eagles pass rush in your own response.
Schoen  
Dankbeerman : 1/22/2023 7:47 pm : link
showed he wants big vesitle lineman. The 3 he drafted were all guys that played G and T.

Mu belief is thats to get the best 5 on the field. That said I dont know which guys he looked at as guys who can play C.

Feliciano was the buget option. Would they have made that move if Gates was healthy? Is that the spot we target in the draft?

Bredeson played well but I would look at him as insurance at G/C and expect Ezudu to be the LG. Mckethan can hopefully comeback and be the back up RG thatvpushes Glowinski. Would expect a small deal for either Gates or Feliciano to pencil in at C before the draft.

I cant see FA being the route on the OL. Feel the first thing we need to do is spend some money on a ILB and a CB to have in place before the draft.
Giants were dominated in the trenches all game both  
Blue21 : 1/22/2023 7:47 pm : link
Sides of the line . Can't disagree one bit with Sy's hints.
All you have to do is watch  
LG in NYC : 1/22/2023 7:49 pm : link
This weekends football games to see how much protecting the QB matters

Jax, Buff and NYG all lost (in large part) to sub par O line play
Having skill players on the outside  
BigBlue7 : 1/22/2023 7:52 pm : link
Can take a lot of pressure off the o line and qb, too.

AJ Brown and Davonta Smith make the Eagles OLine Better
Philly whiffed on OL too  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/22/2023 7:52 pm : link
Remember fireman Danny? Or andre Dillard?
never  
Colin@gbn : 1/22/2023 7:53 pm : link
Chrus ... Me sarcastic never! Maybe I could have said it better as in a general sense I am all for loading up on pass rushers and receivers that can stretch the field. Tbey are the guys, other than your QB, that change games (on a consistent basis) in the NFL these days. The Giants actually have some pretty good potential on the DL although they can always add more, but we got nothing at WR that even remotely compares with what almost all the good teams in the NFL have at receiver.
RE: RE: Without doubt.  
Dang Man : 1/22/2023 7:54 pm : link
In comment 16008855 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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Neal needs to step up, because he wasn't even a gate last night.



Neil would benefit from a dominant RG. If I'm JS, I'm signing Dalton Risner to anchor the LG spot.

I’ll get killed for this, but I think Neal is that dominant RG. He had Cox on skates a few times on cross blocks in the run game. Maybe he’ll be a great RT, maybe he’ll just be above average. But what I do know is that I’m confident he could play at an All Pro level at RG.
I Watched  
Jim in NH : 1/22/2023 7:55 pm : link
A quarter of DAL-SFO, so dittos on the linemen.

Wow, are those teams (and PHI) great in the trenches, on both sides of the ball.

Way too much focus here on the backfields. The SB can’t be won without stellar OL and DL - Eagles, Cowboys and 49ers are making that obvious this weekend.
RE: RE: RE: Cincinnati just dominated Buffalo  
Johnny5 : 1/22/2023 7:55 pm : link
In comment 16009098 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16008848 ajr2456 said:


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With three backups and an injured center. Yes it would be nice to have 5 dominant offensive lineman, but it’s the exception not the rule. The Giants have poured plenty of resources into the line, it’s time to see if they can develop.

The Eagles looked so much faster than the Giants at nearly every skill position.


Did you watch the game? They pretty much DOMINATED the Buffalo DL.



And they were still the backups. Part of the reason they were able to look so dominant was because of Burrow, Hurst, Chase, Higgins and Boyd

Oh Really? Joe Burrow was top 6 in getting sacked this year. Today with 3 of their starters out he elevated the OL? Honestly, Not sure what your point is. I don't care if we play every single OL position as an UDFA. WE NEED BETTER LINE PLAY. Especially if we want to match up with Philadelphia and Dallas.
It’s really not that hard to understand  
ajr2456 : 1/22/2023 7:58 pm : link
When they dropped back to pass the ball was gone fairly quickly because either guys were open quick, or Burrow got rid of the ball quick. They all also happened to have the best games of their careers today. Some days everything just clicks. These guys were backups for a reason.

But there’s no denying an elite QB and elite weapons help make an offensive line’s job easier.
Could not agree more ...  
short lease : 1/22/2023 7:58 pm : link

remember Dallas' OL in the 90s? That's what I want.
If a big investment of draft picks and cap space guaranteed quality...  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/22/2023 7:59 pm : link
... that would make the allocation debate fairly straightforward. But there are so many variables involved. In an orderly, predictable universe, Jason Kelce would be long forgotten and Weston Richburg would be the undersized future Hall of Fame center. Jordan Mailata would have remained an amusing curiosity like Roy Mbaeteka. Evan Neal would be on a Lane Johnson trajectory.

If the staff has concluded that Neal, Ezeudu, and Glowinski were mistakes, Schoen will have to start planning to move on. Meanwhile, Bobby Johnson and Co. need to coach those guys up to make them whatever they can be

Colin I think most  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/22/2023 7:59 pm : link
want a big commitment to the front 7 and adding more on the D front will never be a issue for me and I know at least a few posters. Most also want more WR's and I am all in on at least one elite option. It's a team game and you have to be good all over imv. Playoffs expose flaws.

But to the OL issue. Switch the OL's last night? You think Philly puts up 250 on the ground and 38 pts? Just without Johnson the Philly offense has shown to be much different.
Our biggest need right now  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/22/2023 8:02 pm : link
Is D Line. We can’t run a 3-4 defense with only 2 good Dlineman on the entire team. We need to address this issue big time in the draft.
RE: It’s really not that hard to understand  
Johnny5 : 1/22/2023 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16009176 ajr2456 said:
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When they dropped back to pass the ball was gone fairly quickly because either guys were open quick, or Burrow got rid of the ball quick. They all also happened to have the best games of their careers today. Some days everything just clicks. These guys were backups for a reason.

But there’s no denying an elite QB and elite weapons help make an offensive line’s job easier.

I agree, but I don't think the elevated line play by Cincy in a shuffled line was from that. They were physically beating the Buffalo DL. That's what I saw anyway. We need better WR I agree. None of our WR would even see the field for Philly. But we also need better OL play at Center, at Guard, and at RT. Phillys DL absolutely ABUSED our OL last night.
My uneducated opinion  
Mark from Jersey : 1/22/2023 8:03 pm : link
if you are keeping a running quarterback and a top 5 RB you best have a damn good OL.

The way we gave up yards in the run game ALL YEAR we have to address DL and ILB.

The strategy proposed in this thread makes sense given the current talent on this roster.
Despite  
AcidTest : 1/22/2023 8:06 pm : link
winning a playoff game, the Giants have a zillion holes.

BPA.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Cincinnati just dominated Buffalo  
WillVAB : 1/22/2023 8:08 pm : link
In comment 16009162 Johnny5 said:
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With three backups and an injured center. Yes it would be nice to have 5 dominant offensive lineman, but it’s the exception not the rule. The Giants have poured plenty of resources into the line, it’s time to see if they can develop.

The Eagles looked so much faster than the Giants at nearly every skill position.


Did you watch the game? They pretty much DOMINATED the Buffalo DL.



And they were still the backups. Part of the reason they were able to look so dominant was because of Burrow, Hurst, Chase, Higgins and Boyd


Oh Really? Joe Burrow was top 6 in getting sacked this year. Today with 3 of their starters out he elevated the OL? Honestly, Not sure what your point is. I don't care if we play every single OL position as an UDFA. WE NEED BETTER LINE PLAY. Especially if we want to match up with Philadelphia and Dallas.


Exactly, this argument is ridiculous.

Bargain bin shopping in FA for OL and using mid to late round picks on OL with zero success is what got Reese fired.

So the Giants are supposed to pass on a stud OL early in the draft simply because they’ve used high picks on a few guys already?

WRs can be found late in the draft too, and this draft looks like there’s going to be some quality WRs in the mid to late rounds.
If you are more in Colin's camp  
Mark from Jersey : 1/22/2023 8:08 pm : link
you have to let DJ and SB go. I don't think you can keep them and address WR and create a spread the field type of an offense with them given their likely cost.
RE: RE: Cincinnati just dominated Buffalo  
g56blue10 : 1/22/2023 8:10 pm : link
In comment 16008868 Sy'56 said:
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With three backups and an injured center. Yes it would be nice to have 5 dominant offensive lineman, but it’s the exception not the rule. The Giants have poured plenty of resources into the line, it’s time to see if they can develop.

The Eagles looked so much faster than the Giants at nearly every skill position.



CIN has the 2nd best QB in football and the slippery track helped them a ton.



Plus one of the best WR groups in the league
RE: RE: Cincinnati just dominated Buffalo  
Johnny5 : 1/22/2023 8:14 pm : link
In comment 16008868 Sy'56 said:
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With three backups and an injured center. Yes it would be nice to have 5 dominant offensive lineman, but it’s the exception not the rule. The Giants have poured plenty of resources into the line, it’s time to see if they can develop.

The Eagles looked so much faster than the Giants at nearly every skill position.



CIN has the 2nd best QB in football and the slippery track helped them a ton.

Yeah it seemed like they benefited from the snow. Surprising. I was expecting Cincy to really have trouble with the OL and they came out and dominated. Crazy. Honestly on Burrow, he is my favorite QB in the league. The guy is just a winner.
Having 5 great lineman  
Breeze_94 : 1/22/2023 8:16 pm : link
is obviously ideal, but not really attainable.

Eagles have 3 REALLY good ones. Dickerson and Seamulo are okay, nothing special.

Bengals won today with 2 backup tackles and a backup guard they claimed on waivers before the season (from the Texans, of all teams)

I'd argue that some combination of Ezeudu, Bredeson, Glowinski and McKethan can be nearly an equivanlent to the Eagles guard duo.

If a really good Guard falls into the Giants laps, sure, but
its lower on my list of priorities than WR, C, LB, CB, and DL (Can't go into next season relying on Leo and Dex to play 80% of snaps again).

Would also take another pass rusher over a guard.
RE: RE: Ide use our money to .  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/22/2023 8:17 pm : link
In comment 16008964 j_rud said:
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In comment 16008874 BigBlueDawg56 said:


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Get Payne and edmunds. Might cost 22 and 15 but Ide rather get 2 studs in areas of need than a bunch of middle of the road depth pieces. Then we can load up on offense in the draft.



Edmunds seems like a great fit and not bc of the Daboll connection. I think the value is there. Sportrack has him valued at 11 mill per. You could even go a little higher and you'd be getting a lot of production for that price.


He is also only 24. That’s a lot of prime left and the exact guy you want to sign as a free agent
WR, CB, OL  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/22/2023 8:20 pm : link
Priorities 1 2 and 3. Have to hope for organic growth from our 1st and 3rd round picks Neal and Ezeudu. Draft or pick up a FA OG/OT ideally and figure out if Neal is our future at RT or at OG

Positive vibes around the league for Daboll. Money talks but we are more of an attractive environment to play in now.
When have the Giants bargain bin shopped for oline?  
ajr2456 : 1/22/2023 8:22 pm : link
Their starting oline has two top 10 picks, a guard they gave a top 7 free agent contract for guards in free agency, and they’ve used two third round picks on Olineman the last three years. That’s a lot of resources. You can’t just go get 5 pro bowlers on the line just because you want them, sometimes you have to let the players you’ve drafted develop. It’s what the Eagles did.
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