Ok, it was an awful game and it sucks to go into the off-season with the feelings that this game left with us. The fact that it was the Eagles who easily and happily made us eat a big bowl of Downer Flakes makes it even worse.
It was clear from the start that the Giants - almost to a man - were being out played. All of the feel-good, over-achieving offensive players were non-factors. Jones wasn’t sharp. The defensive line and linebackers, except for a few plays, looked like pawns.
It goes without question that the coaching has been magnificent this year.
Just not yesterday.
The decision to go for the 4th and 8 in the 1st quarter down 7-0 sent out an unsettling vibe. Sure, if they picked up the 1st down, the play could have altered the trajectory of the game. However, it wasn’t a smart call. The risk was too high. A punt that pinned the Eagles back could have changed the trajectory of the game as well. The whole team, up and down from coaches to players, were just not good. Perhaps after the playoff win, they were drunk off their own Kool-Aid. It happens.
The first emotional response as a fan is disillusionment. Suddenly, you question all of the things you felt certain about. Losing 27-24? Ok, still sucks. It’s the feeling that the Giants looked EXPOSED that is troubling.
This is how I’m dealing with it:
No one game - good performance or bad - fully defines a team. I’d like to thank our NY friends Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills for making me feel better and helping me achieve this state of mind.
The Giants lost badly. They also had a better season than any of us thought they would. So, emotionally? A painful loss that creates doubt as to whether it was all an illusion.
But if I leave emotion out of it? Reason tells me this:
The Giants will be better next year.
“It’s the feeling that the Giants looked EXPOSED that is troubling.”
“It’s the feeling that the Giants looked EXPOSED that is troubling.”
Big off-season ahead. I look forward to your draft threads, MS. It’s crucial Schoen & company nail this draft.
And yet here is talk of "being exposed."
What the hell does that even mean?
Just accept reality.
Until then find joy in other shit.
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“It’s the feeling that the Giants looked EXPOSED that is troubling.”
Big off-season ahead. I look forward to your draft threads, MS. It’s crucial Schoen & company nail this draft.
Like our weaknesses are a secret?
I see it as a reaffirmation which needs to be addressed, as if JS and staff didn’t know or plan to.
And I’m sure they successfully will.
It was a good, fun year 1 of Schoen/Daboll. Eventually talent level rears It’s head. Nothing to feel sour about…if anything it’s a reality check. We have the right staff in place and it’s time to get “their” guys in:
I love the “4th and 8 ended the game” takes… NYG lost by 31 and only scored once. Sure feels like we needed points any way possible. Did the same thing In the biggest game of the year against Washington everyone loved It…because It converted. Spare me the results driven reaction. For NYG to have a chance of even being in the game, had to be aggressive. If anything the final result supports the decision to go for It.
Eagles T minus 1 week until they are in the same boat as all of us. All Hail The San Fran 49ers.
Now let's say you happen to KNOW, to a moral certainty, that you'll need to score at least 32 points to win the game.
Now do you go for it?
I do. These decisions aren't just about down and distance. They're about field position, point of the game, what kind of game it's been to that point, and what kind of game it will likely be. Daboll reasoned (correctly, as it turns out) that the offense was going to need to score 30+ to win. This wasn't going to be a 19-17 rock fight where field position is a significant factor.
In an understand some reservations but the insanity that every high rookie draft pick will be LT or Anthony Munoz good has to stop.
Thomas was a whipping boy for how long? Lawrence? Wasted pick. Now we must sign Jones. Really really exhausting people writing of young players. Some fail. But many here don't want to give them more than a year
And yet here is talk of "being exposed."
What the hell does that even mean?
Just accept reality.
Why can’t it be two things?
(1) Primarily what you said — Eagles are much better.
(2) Secondarily the Giants from top to bottom brought their F-minus game to the Linc.
I doubt anyone is too bummed about #1. I believe many are disappointed about #2.
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understand why some Giants fans are having so much problem simply accepting that the Eagles are really that much better at this point in time. Go position by position. Look at the depth.
And yet here is talk of "being exposed."
What the hell does that even mean?
Just accept reality.
Why can’t it be two things?
(1) Primarily what you said — Eagles are much better.
(2) Secondarily the Giants from top to bottom brought their F-minus game to the Linc.
I doubt anyone is too bummed about #1. I believe many are disappointed about #2.
Possibly. But my sense is that nine times out of ten, the Giants A+ game wasn't going to get it done last night. Because of #1.
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understand why some Giants fans are having so much problem simply accepting that the Eagles are really that much better at this point in time. Go position by position. Look at the depth.
And yet here is talk of "being exposed."
What the hell does that even mean?
Just accept reality.
Why can’t it be two things?
(1) Primarily what you said — Eagles are much better.
(2) Secondarily the Giants from top to bottom brought their F-minus game to the Linc.
I doubt anyone is too bummed about #1. I believe many are disappointed about #2.
Possibly. But my sense is that nine times out of ten, the Giants A+ game wasn't going to get it done last night. Because of #1.
I think that’s the point I’m trying to make but doing a lousy job explaining it. On the one hand, you could well be right that even the Giants A+ game would not have led to a victory. But had the Giants played well but still got beat, I think Giants fans would have felt a lot better about the game and the team.
Until then find joy in other shit.
Lol, I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. It’s a game, they were projected to win 4-5 games, won 9 and a playoff game. It was a good season for a rebuilding team. On to the next.
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understand why some Giants fans are having so much problem simply accepting that the Eagles are really that much better at this point in time. Go position by position. Look at the depth.
And yet here is talk of "being exposed."
What the hell does that even mean?
Just accept reality.
Why can’t it be two things?
(1) Primarily what you said — Eagles are much better.
(2) Secondarily the Giants from top to bottom brought their F-minus game to the Linc.
I doubt anyone is too bummed about #1. I believe many are disappointed about #2.
Possibly. But my sense is that nine times out of ten, the Giants A+ game wasn't going to get it done last night. Because of #1.
I think that’s the point I’m trying to make but doing a lousy job explaining it. On the one hand, you could well be right that even the Giants A+ game would not have led to a victory. But had the Giants played well but still got beat, I think Giants fans would have felt a lot better about the game and the team.
I don't think it's fair to say the Giants played at an F- grade. It's much more a function of that Philly roster being absolute killers. Really hard to get ANYTHING going when you're getting bullied in every facet of the game. Plus, there were some positives. Saquon had a nice run there and Richie James had a pretty solid game overall. Jamie Gillan put out a few good punts too. That's about all you can hope for in this kind of game.
More of a rabbit hole that we all went down.
Onwards and upwards....
Do you think it is more likely that the Giants brought their F game to both or that the Eagles are simply performing like a #1 seed?
Wake up.
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understand why some Giants fans are having so much problem simply accepting that the Eagles are really that much better at this point in time. Go position by position. Look at the depth.
And yet here is talk of "being exposed."
What the hell does that even mean?
Just accept reality.
Why can’t it be two things?
(1) Primarily what you said — Eagles are much better.
(2) Secondarily the Giants from top to bottom brought their F-minus game to the Linc.
I doubt anyone is too bummed about #1. I believe many are disappointed about #2.
Possibly. But my sense is that nine times out of ten, the Giants A+ game wasn't going to get it done last night. Because of #1.
I think that’s the point I’m trying to make but doing a lousy job explaining it. On the one hand, you could well be right that even the Giants A+ game would not have led to a victory. But had the Giants played well but still got beat, I think Giants fans would have felt a lot better about the game and the team.
dude, go position by position offensively and match our starters to theirs. Andrew Thomas at LT might be the only position we MIGHT have the better player.
Every other spot its either a draw or they have the better player, includes depth. In some cases its almost hilarious how much better they are.
And yet here is talk of "being exposed."
What the hell does that even mean?
Just accept reality.
Eric: Absolutley no denial that the Eagles are more talented than the Giants. By “Exposed” I meant that our balloon was popped. You can’t say that you didn’t expect a better performance from this team. Especially the defense. The Giants looked like a 5 win team playing a 13 win team. This game should have been more of a fight.
That’s all.
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understand why some Giants fans are having so much problem simply accepting that the Eagles are really that much better at this point in time. Go position by position. Look at the depth.
And yet here is talk of "being exposed."
What the hell does that even mean?
Just accept reality.
Why can’t it be two things?
(1) Primarily what you said — Eagles are much better.
(2) Secondarily the Giants from top to bottom brought their F-minus game to the Linc.
I doubt anyone is too bummed about #1. I believe many are disappointed about #2.
#2 was the point I was trying to make.
More of a rabbit hole that we all went down.
Onwards and upwards....
Ha ha. You have an elephants memory.
Do you think it is more likely that the Giants brought their F game to both or that the Eagles are simply performing like a #1 seed?
Wake up.
I think both points are valid in that the Eagles did perform as the uber talented number one seed and the Giants limited talented roster brought their F game causing the blowout. All Giant fans are hoping and praying that Schoen, Daboll and staff will build a roster that we will become one of the NFL elite teams.
It was a good, fun year 1 of Schoen/Daboll. Eventually talent level rears It’s head. Nothing to feel sour about…if anything it’s a reality check. We have the right staff in place and it’s time to get “their” guys in:
I love the “4th and 8 ended the game” takes… NYG lost by 31 and only scored once. Sure feels like we needed points any way possible. Did the same thing In the biggest game of the year against Washington everyone loved It…because It converted. Spare me the results driven reaction. For NYG to have a chance of even being in the game, had to be aggressive. If anything the final result supports the decision to go for It.
Highly agree. Only way we had any chance in that game is to take every chance possible, ultra aggressive, and hope the E-girls had a bad game.
The Eagles were a complete mess 2 years ago with an unproven QB and fired a SB winning head coach. Last year they made the playoffs and got blown out by the Bucs in the WC round. This year they look like a juggernaut.
The Giants finally feel like they have broken the cycle of sustained incompetence with an "outside the family" GM and HC who are on the same page and know how to build a winning roster with a winning culture in the modern NFL. Hopefully the Maras will learn how to stay out of the way.
Reason - We are still in rebuilding mode, it takes better than one season, which btw we were in cap hell, to get out of the hole we were in. I like the direction and the positivity in spite of the late season realities.
I shall trust the system that is being applied to this team, and I think it will be one to be proud of sooner rather than later.
In the meantime, sit back and let the front office get ready to get some needed reinforcements in. We shall be fine going forward.
It's a miracle that this NYG team made the playoffs.
Been arguing on twitter with knucklehead Eagles fans - they don't want to admit that Siriani inherited way more talent than the vast majority of new hire HCs
We get the strip sack, but don't get the ball. Needed some breaks in this game, got none. Still would have lost, as Philly is the better team, but could have been more competitive.
Look at Philly last year at this time - coming off a beat down at a good, but not great TB team. Much can change in a year.
This Giants rookie class was decimated by injury - hopefully we get some luck on the injury front next year, while Philly and Dallas get the injury bug...
It's a miracle that this NYG team made the playoffs.
The real wakeup call is going to come next year when the Giants have a better roster but still only win 8-9 games.
Philly, as much as it sucks, is a much better team than the Giants. Those green mashees will get their faces rubbed in it at some point -- hopefully by the Niners, but they've been Superbowl favs all season for very good reasons. THat's a very deep team with a ton of probowlers.
It's a miracle that this NYG team made the playoffs.
I don't think fans are in denial. I think they just hate it is all. and want the giants to be at that same talent level yesterday. I know how it is commonly expressed but truly I believe most giants know the deal, they just can't stand it. I know I can't. How can our GM (Gettleman) be so bad and Roseman be so good. Starts and ends there for me.
They didn't execute. Daboll knew they had to score pts and fast. HE coached to the tune of the game.
It's a miracle that this NYG team made the playoffs.
Respectfully I disagree about the miracle part. The Giants are better than WASH. Better than Seattle and better than DET. Their record proved this and it's not like those teams run a murderers row of players out there.
We can both be humble about Philly killing them and also comfortable with how they made the playoffs.
Reminder, they also won a playoff game. Luck had nothing to do with 10 wins. They are well coached and have a good young core that played well. That doesn't mean they don't need work.
Daboll is a good HC. Maybe he's a great HC. We shall see. I think we underrate the talent here because things were so bleak in 2021.
There is talent on this roster. We just need more of it to take the next step. We under-achieved in 2021.
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fans are still in denial about (1) just how good the Eagles are, and (2) just how limited our current roster is.
It's a miracle that this NYG team made the playoffs.
Respectfully I disagree about the miracle part. The Giants are better than WASH. Better than Seattle and better than DET. Their record proved this and it's not like those teams run a murderers row of players out there.
We can both be humble about Philly killing them and also comfortable with how they made the playoffs.
Reminder, they also won a playoff game. Luck had nothing to do with 10 wins. They are well coached and have a good young core that played well. That doesn't mean they don't need work.
Uhm, really? The results on
Oct 30 (Seahawks)
Nov 20 (Lions)
Seem to suggest something different...
Also they were 1-0-1 against the WFT. Either game could have easily gone to to Wash. The teams are very closely matched.
On top of what the record says, I believe the Giants have significantly better coaching that Det and Wash. That further suggests that the roster quality is that much worse by comparison.