I know there are a few kittles and kelces in the world. But when are we going to get one? I know its not a top need but even seeing Evan Engram ball out on another team sucks.
We spent a 1st rounder on Engram in the same draft, how did that work out?
We have a functioning TE in Bellinger and can find another one to throw different looks at a team. Let's get stronger in the trenches and maybe get a LB that can cover TEs better, those are bigger problems.
if they valued TE significantly they prob do the hockenson trade
We spent a 1st rounder on Engram in the same draft, how did that work out?
We have a functioning TE in Bellinger and can find another one to throw different looks at a team. Let's get stronger in the trenches and maybe get a LB that can cover TEs better, those are bigger problems.
Mayer makes it within striking distance of our pick but if he does I'd trade up. Would be shocked to see him get near 20 though
We have much more important needs to fill there's absolutely no way we take a TE in the first round
A stud tight end is incredibly valuable. Kittle and Kelce are the best offensive weapons on their teams. We need guys who can catch the football and Mayer will be a great TE in the pros.
We're not going to be able to get him because he will be long gone but he's going to be a terrific tight end for a long time
We spent a 1st rounder on Engram in the same draft, how did that work out?
We have a functioning TE in Bellinger and can find another one to throw different looks at a team. Let's get stronger in the trenches and maybe get a LB that can cover TEs better, those are bigger problems.
Yes, Kittle was a 5th rounder
The real kicker IIRC is how many BBIers would mock Kittle to us in rounds 3-5
I don’t want to torture myself in thinking what would’ve been if we skipped Engram and came away with Watt AND Kittle instead.
on Evan Engram for Gettleman to pick him besides that Gettleman can't draft? I'm still wondering.
You make it sound like the guy should have been a 5th rounder that we elevated all the way up to round 1. As I recall, TE was a "Need" and the discussion was centered on OJ Howard, David Njoku and Evan Engram. Howard was drafted. Then it was down to Engram or Njoku. They took Engram because he offered a bit more as a receiver while obviously much less as a blocker. And despite what many of the great football minds here like to think, while he wasnt what we hoped he would be, he was far from a 1st round bust!
The problem is Kittles YAC, as you can see in those stats and watching the game, are massive differences. Bellinger will never be that, which is fine, but definitely notable.
RE: if they valued TE significantly they prob do the hockenson trade
on Evan Engram for Gettleman to pick him besides that Gettleman can't draft? I'm still wondering.
You make it sound like the guy should have been a 5th rounder that we elevated all the way up to round 1. As I recall, TE was a "Need" and the discussion was centered on OJ Howard, David Njoku and Evan Engram. Howard was drafted. Then it was down to Engram or Njoku. They took Engram because he offered a bit more as a receiver while obviously much less as a blocker. And despite what many of the great football minds here like to think, while he wasnt what we hoped he would be, he was far from a 1st round bust!
I wasn't implying where Engram should have been drafted. I truly didn't recall why the Giants Drafted him. I was just wondering why we used our 1st round pick on him since we needed so much on the OL. This is truly an innocent question.
He’s played for one of the first offensive coordinators in college football and still produced big time. If he lands somewhere with competent coaching, look out.
RE: RE: if they valued TE significantly they prob do the hockenson trade
A lot of the stacks and drags to scheme targets open come directly from the Reid playbook. The last quarter of the season looked a lot like KC play design wise.
Kelce is so damn versatile. KC can come out in 12 personnel and change into a 3-wide set if the match-up calls for it. Kelce can go to the slot or the stack and run all the routes.
They use Kelce and their speed at WR to toy with defenses. If what we saw is the offense, don't discount a big swing a TE.
TE. He’s the starter and so you’re now looking at depth and a guy that MAY get 1 or 2 balls thrown his way in any given game. It’d be a luxury to have two very good TEs, but we can get a guy, for depth later in the draft. That’s a position that you can fill later on. As others have mentioned, we NEED to solidify the trenches on this team first and foremost. You build from the inside out. We can’t win in our Division because the trenches are, and have been, our biggest issue. If we want to compete for a Division Title and playoffs, we have to win our Division games and in order to do so we have to build up the trenches!
A lot of the stacks and drags to scheme targets open come directly from the Reid playbook. The last quarter of the season looked a lot like KC play design wise.
Kelce is so damn versatile. KC can come out in 12 personnel and change into a 3-wide set if the match-up calls for it. Kelce can go to the slot or the stack and run all the routes.
They use Kelce and their speed at WR to toy with defenses. If what we saw is the offense, don't discount a big swing a TE.
14 catches for 98 yards, 7 YPC..Gonzalez you to average way more than that, no?
on Evan Engram for Gettleman to pick him besides that Gettleman can't draft? I'm still wondering.
You make it sound like the guy should have been a 5th rounder that we elevated all the way up to round 1. As I recall, TE was a "Need" and the discussion was centered on OJ Howard, David Njoku and Evan Engram. Howard was drafted. Then it was down to Engram or Njoku. They took Engram because he offered a bit more as a receiver while obviously much less as a blocker. And despite what many of the great football minds here like to think, while he wasnt what we hoped he would be, he was far from a 1st round bust!
I wasn't implying where Engram should have been drafted. I truly didn't recall why the Giants Drafted him. I was just wondering why we used our 1st round pick on him since we needed so much on the OL. This is truly an innocent question.
Because our TE's at the time were Larry Donnell and Will Tye. Translation: it was a position of need and they thought Engram could fulfill that need. Did it work out. Not really. But I didnt really question the move at the time. The OL was a need as well, as it has been every year since forever, but I was never head over heels in love with Ramczyk like so many were. In hindsight, yes, OL would have been the way to go. But my point in there were reasons for the Engram selection.
We have much more important needs to fill there's absolutely no way we take a TE in the first round
We have a functioning TE in Bellinger and can find another one to throw different looks at a team. Let's get stronger in the trenches and maybe get a LB that can cover TEs better, those are bigger problems.
elite te's are fun to watch but there are very few of them and for whatever reason almost never the TEs who get picked in the first round.
Kincaid is a guy that I'm really high on. Even over Mayer. I think he'll be the most impactful weapon in the passing game at the next level.
We have a functioning TE in Bellinger and can find another one to throw different looks at a team. Let's get stronger in the trenches and maybe get a LB that can cover TEs better, those are bigger problems.
Yes, Kittle was a 5th rounder
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Mayer makes it within striking distance of our pick but if he does I'd trade up. Would be shocked to see him get near 20 though
We have much more important needs to fill there's absolutely no way we take a TE in the first round
A stud tight end is incredibly valuable. Kittle and Kelce are the best offensive weapons on their teams. We need guys who can catch the football and Mayer will be a great TE in the pros.
We're not going to be able to get him because he will be long gone but he's going to be a terrific tight end for a long time
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We spent a 1st rounder on Engram in the same draft, how did that work out?
We have a functioning TE in Bellinger and can find another one to throw different looks at a team. Let's get stronger in the trenches and maybe get a LB that can cover TEs better, those are bigger problems.
Yes, Kittle was a 5th rounder
I don’t want to torture myself in thinking what would’ve been if we skipped Engram and came away with Watt AND Kittle instead.
2017 kittle - 43 rec 515 yards 2 tds (15 games)
2022 bellinger - 30 rec 268 yards 2 tds (12 games)
He and Bellinger could be major factors next year.
Amazing, isn’t it?
Wasn't Engram drafted in 2017 before Gettleman became GM?
You make it sound like the guy should have been a 5th rounder that we elevated all the way up to round 1. As I recall, TE was a "Need" and the discussion was centered on OJ Howard, David Njoku and Evan Engram. Howard was drafted. Then it was down to Engram or Njoku. They took Engram because he offered a bit more as a receiver while obviously much less as a blocker. And despite what many of the great football minds here like to think, while he wasnt what we hoped he would be, he was far from a 1st round bust!
2017 kittle - 43 rec 515 yards 2 tds (15 games)
2022 bellinger - 30 rec 268 yards 2 tds (12 games)
The problem is Kittles YAC, as you can see in those stats and watching the game, are massive differences. Bellinger will never be that, which is fine, but definitely notable.
elite te's are fun to watch but there are very few of them and for whatever reason almost never the TEs who get picked in the first round.
OR.. they valued the draft picks they would have to part with more than the value of Hockenson
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on Evan Engram for Gettleman to pick him besides that Gettleman can't draft? I'm still wondering.
You make it sound like the guy should have been a 5th rounder that we elevated all the way up to round 1. As I recall, TE was a "Need" and the discussion was centered on OJ Howard, David Njoku and Evan Engram. Howard was drafted. Then it was down to Engram or Njoku. They took Engram because he offered a bit more as a receiver while obviously much less as a blocker. And despite what many of the great football minds here like to think, while he wasnt what we hoped he would be, he was far from a 1st round bust!
I wasn't implying where Engram should have been drafted. I truly didn't recall why the Giants Drafted him. I was just wondering why we used our 1st round pick on him since we needed so much on the OL. This is truly an innocent question.
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he's maybe not elite but he's close to that level and he was available pretty cheaply.
elite te's are fun to watch but there are very few of them and for whatever reason almost never the TEs who get picked in the first round.
OR.. they valued the draft picks they would have to part with more than the value of Hockenson
the hockenson trade was draft pick neutral. the vikings didnt lose any picks, they slid back about 40-50 spots from 90 to 130 i think.
Kelce is so damn versatile. KC can come out in 12 personnel and change into a 3-wide set if the match-up calls for it. Kelce can go to the slot or the stack and run all the routes.
They use Kelce and their speed at WR to toy with defenses. If what we saw is the offense, don't discount a big swing a TE.
Kelce is so damn versatile. KC can come out in 12 personnel and change into a 3-wide set if the match-up calls for it. Kelce can go to the slot or the stack and run all the routes.
They use Kelce and their speed at WR to toy with defenses. If what we saw is the offense, don't discount a big swing a TE.
14 catches for 98 yards, 7 YPC..Gonzalez you to average way more than that, no?
He averaged more yards per target than CC Lamb and Devontae Adams this year, on 150+ targets.
He has very competitive production vs. some of the volume WRs in the NFL.
He averaged more yards per target than CC Lamb and Devontae Adams this year, on 150+ targets.
He has very competitive production vs. some of the volume WRs in the NFL.
Ok, gotcha..It’s just that it was lauded as a great game by him. They emphasized the 14 catches (2tds) and failed to mention for just 98 yards
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on Evan Engram for Gettleman to pick him besides that Gettleman can't draft? I'm still wondering.
You make it sound like the guy should have been a 5th rounder that we elevated all the way up to round 1. As I recall, TE was a "Need" and the discussion was centered on OJ Howard, David Njoku and Evan Engram. Howard was drafted. Then it was down to Engram or Njoku. They took Engram because he offered a bit more as a receiver while obviously much less as a blocker. And despite what many of the great football minds here like to think, while he wasnt what we hoped he would be, he was far from a 1st round bust!
I wasn't implying where Engram should have been drafted. I truly didn't recall why the Giants Drafted him. I was just wondering why we used our 1st round pick on him since we needed so much on the OL. This is truly an innocent question.
Because our TE's at the time were Larry Donnell and Will Tye. Translation: it was a position of need and they thought Engram could fulfill that need. Did it work out. Not really. But I didnt really question the move at the time. The OL was a need as well, as it has been every year since forever, but I was never head over heels in love with Ramczyk like so many were. In hindsight, yes, OL would have been the way to go. But my point in there were reasons for the Engram selection.
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Kelce is a career 12.7 YPC and 8.8 YPT pass catcher and routinely gets thrown to 120+ times a year.
He averaged more yards per target than CC Lamb and Devontae Adams this year, on 150+ targets.
He has very competitive production vs. some of the volume WRs in the NFL.
Ok, gotcha..It’s just that it was lauded as a great game by him. They emphasized the 14 catches (2tds) and failed to mention for just 98 yards
Yeah, it was a high volume low yardage game for sure.