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Breeze_94 : 1/23/2023 12:22 am
Following players are FA's

Josh Jacobs
Saquon Barkley
Miles Sanders
Tony Pollard
Kareem Hunt
David Montgomery
Devin Singletary
Jeff Wilson
D'Onta Foreman
Raheem Mostert
Damien Harris
Rashaad Penny
Jamaal Williams

RB market is going to be interesting. I personally don't see any team being in a rush to offer a guy more than 12 mil with so many other options available.

Draft has 2 first round caliber RB's as well (Robinson, Gibbs)

I love Saquon. One of my favorite Giants in the 20 years I've been a fan. But it would be absolutely insane to sign him to a huge deal before FA starts.

1. There are very few teams in a position to give him a huge deal
2. Tons of supply, not much demand
3. Injury prone position. RBBC is a safer bet.
4. RB Production almost always declines on their second contract.

I think he ultimately ends up back because he wants to be a Giant and he has more value to the Giants than he does any other team in the league. But I do think the price at which they get him will be reasonable (3 yrs, 36mil with an out after year 2)

I also think it's imperative that they add to the RB room and get a guy (Round 4ish) who can shoulder some of the load without as significant a drop off.
That is an impressive list  
Payasdaddy : 1/23/2023 12:33 am : link
Gotta make sure saquon contract is reasonable
Because a few of those top guys may be only getting 3 yr 25-30 million deals
That’s a lot of backs. Would take josh Jacobs or sanders or it was less cash
Love saquon on gmen. Can’t overpay with that list.
I would not bring back Barkley at any price  
ElitoCanton : 1/23/2023 2:06 am : link
2nd contracts for running backs never work out. Move one. Fortify the trenches. Draft a running back in round 3 or 4.
Boston Scott  
MattinKY : 1/23/2023 6:46 am : link
will be a cheap free agent this off season.
Obviously all about cost  
mfjmfj : 1/23/2023 6:48 am : link
but if SB wants anywhere close to CMC money I would take almost anyone on that list at a market appropriate cost over him. Even at the same contract I would take Tony Pollard or Josh Jacobs over Barkley.
3yr 36M ?? No thanks  
averagejoe : 1/23/2023 8:48 am : link
SB had a very good year. He has adjusted his game considerably and remained healthy . But 3yrs at 12M per is a serious misuse of cap space and I hope it does not happen . He is not a top 10 RB any longer. He has had injuries and is no longer the breakaway threat that he was. What other team would offer him 36M ?
Saquon was awesome this year  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/23/2023 9:12 am : link
but i'm more than fine if they move on. This team has so many holes and has a few homegrown guys that need to be resigned who won't be cheap. A double digit APY for a RB could be used in a litany of other different areas.
That being said  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/23/2023 9:12 am : link
Mara loves him and I don't see them letting him walk because of that
RE: 3yr 36M ?? No thanks  
TommyWiseau : 1/23/2023 9:37 am : link
In comment 16009814 averagejoe said:
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SB had a very good year. He has adjusted his game considerably and remained healthy . But 3yrs at 12M per is a serious misuse of cap space and I hope it does not happen . He is not a top 10 RB any longer. He has had injuries and is no longer the breakaway threat that he was. What other team would offer him 36M ?


12 mil a year for 1,650 yards and 10 TDs is a misuse if cap space? Id rather pay him that then pay a backup QB like Taylor 7 million per. Draft a quality backup like half of these other teams do and pay them the league min rather then waste 7-10 mil on a backup
RE: I would not bring back Barkley at any price  
SteelGiant : 1/23/2023 10:54 am : link
In comment 16009681 ElitoCanton said:
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2nd contracts for running backs never work out. Move one. Fortify the trenches. Draft a running back in round 3 or 4.


I agree with this, having a elite running back is a nice to have and we are not in that position, fortify the trenches properly and you can do more with less from the RB position and you also get better pass protection out of it as well.

RB seems like a great position to cluster draft with late round picks and hope you hit in one. Let them play out rookie contract, rinse, repeat.

If anything I would franchise Barkley and trade him to the highest bidder
RE: RE: I would not bring back Barkley at any price  
eli4life : 1/23/2023 10:59 am : link
In comment 16010083 SteelGiant said:
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2nd contracts for running backs never work out. Move one. Fortify the trenches. Draft a running back in round 3 or 4.



I agree with this, having a elite running back is a nice to have and we are not in that position, fortify the trenches properly and you can do more with less from the RB position and you also get better pass protection out of it as well.

RB seems like a great position to cluster draft with late round picks and hope you hit in one. Let them play out rookie contract, rinse, repeat.

If anything I would franchise Barkley and trade him to the highest bidder
we can’t afford to cluster draft rb’s way to many holes to focus on one position besides he’s coming back and would expect soon so every option is available for the jones deal
RE: RE: 3yr 36M ?? No thanks  
PatersonPlank : 1/23/2023 11:08 am : link
In comment 16009923 TommyWiseau said:
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SB had a very good year. He has adjusted his game considerably and remained healthy . But 3yrs at 12M per is a serious misuse of cap space and I hope it does not happen . He is not a top 10 RB any longer. He has had injuries and is no longer the breakaway threat that he was. What other team would offer him 36M ?



12 mil a year for 1,650 yards and 10 TDs is a misuse if cap space? Id rather pay him that then pay a backup QB like Taylor 7 million per. Draft a quality backup like half of these other teams do and pay them the league min rather then waste 7-10 mil on a backup


+1. Production wise Barkley is a good value
RE: RE: RE: I would not bring back Barkley at any price  
SteelGiant : 1/23/2023 11:17 am : link
In comment 16010090 eli4life said:
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2nd contracts for running backs never work out. Move one. Fortify the trenches. Draft a running back in round 3 or 4.



I agree with this, having a elite running back is a nice to have and we are not in that position, fortify the trenches properly and you can do more with less from the RB position and you also get better pass protection out of it as well.

RB seems like a great position to cluster draft with late round picks and hope you hit in one. Let them play out rookie contract, rinse, repeat.

If anything I would franchise Barkley and trade him to the highest bidder

we can’t afford to cluster draft rb’s way to many holes to focus on one position besides he’s coming back and would expect soon so every option is available for the jones deal


Sorry, I agree, the cluster draft part was more of my general feelings on the position, in our case I think we should draft one and sign a couple that we’re not drafted
RE: RE: RE: 3yr 36M ?? No thanks  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/23/2023 11:22 am : link
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SB had a very good year. He has adjusted his game considerably and remained healthy . But 3yrs at 12M per is a serious misuse of cap space and I hope it does not happen . He is not a top 10 RB any longer. He has had injuries and is no longer the breakaway threat that he was. What other team would offer him 36M ?



12 mil a year for 1,650 yards and 10 TDs is a misuse if cap space? Id rather pay him that then pay a backup QB like Taylor 7 million per. Draft a quality backup like half of these other teams do and pay them the league min rather then waste 7-10 mil on a backup



+1. Production wise Barkley is a good value


Yes, but you can't pay him for what he did, but what he is going to do. Second contracts for RBs are always a bad idea unless its cheap and you can get out of it. The problem is that some team who needs a "face of the franchise" or some other dumb reason is going to back the truck up, so will he take the extra coin to go elsewhere?
If you read Sy's top 96 list...  
bw in dc : 1/23/2023 12:10 pm : link
for the 2023 draft (from a thread yesterday), you will see there are 12-13 RBs in his top 96. That seemed like a lot to me. If so, it's a good year to have a RB need.

Of the F4 teams, the Chiefs are using RBBC, the Eagles are mostly Miles Sanders (2nd rounder) with good support from Gainwell and Scott, and the Bengals are mostly Mixon (2nd rounder) with good support from Perine.

While the Niners are rolling with CMC via the trade with Carolina, they have had similar success with RBBC.

The Niners added CMC as a luxury because they had so much infrastructure in place. We don't have that luxury situation for SB.

The two best moves, IMV, for SB are: (1) sign SB to a one-year deal (or NEFT) or (2) let him hit the market. Anything with multiple years with a high AAV - NEFT or > - is poor resource management.
If you lose Saquon you lose the offense  
Chip : 1/23/2023 12:10 pm : link
Send Saquon right and throw left and the wr/te is open. They ran that play all season which is why James was so productive.
If you guys are only interested in top 10 picks every year let him go. How many games do we win without him. Not many.
Bring him back on a Tag  
Simms11 : 1/23/2023 1:17 pm : link
if they sign DJ to a contract, and draft a RB to groom behind him.
bw  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2023 1:33 pm : link
I'd argue that even WITH McCaffrey, San Fran is still deploying what ammounts to a RBBC with CMC, Mitchell, and then significant gadget play usage and designed WR rushing attempts in the running game.
RE: bw  
bw in dc : 1/23/2023 2:26 pm : link
In comment 16010450 Gatorade Dunk said:
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I'd argue that even WITH McCaffrey, San Fran is still deploying what ammounts to a RBBC with CMC, Mitchell, and then significant gadget play usage and designed WR rushing attempts in the running game.


True.

I wanted to emphasize the luxury factor involved with the acquisition of CMC. San Fran were clearly in the hunt for big prizes, so I can buy why they went against the grain to add a high priced RB with so many pieces already assembled.
RE: Bring him back on a Tag  
Sean : 1/23/2023 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16010413 Simms11 said:
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if they sign DJ to a contract, and draft a RB to groom behind him.

The tag is out I think. I see them using the tag on Jones if they need to. The Barkley contract will be very challenging.
RE: RE: Bring him back on a Tag  
.McL. : 1/23/2023 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16010571 Sean said:
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if they sign DJ to a contract, and draft a RB to groom behind him.


The tag is out I think. I see them using the tag on Jones if they need to. The Barkley contract will be very challenging.

I agree, I think there is a high probability that the tag gets used on Jones.
Which means it won't be on Barkley, in which case he likely finds somebody else who will pay more and walks.

We are going to need multiple ambulance crews on call at the homes of some posters here when/if that happens.

Probably some home contractors to repair the damage as well.
RE: That being said  
Blue21 : 1/23/2023 3:52 pm : link
In comment 16009864 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Mara loves him and I don't see them letting him walk because of that
True and I like Barkley but Mara needs to stay out of this. Does he like Barkley more than winning? Can't overpay . Giants have a lot of needs. 2 good young backs work pretty good for the Pats. They refuse to overpay their backs. They let them go when they are too expensive and reload.
RE: RE: 3yr 36M ?? No thanks  
GiAnT4LYFE : 1/23/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16009923 TommyWiseau said:
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SB had a very good year. He has adjusted his game considerably and remained healthy . But 3yrs at 12M per is a serious misuse of cap space and I hope it does not happen . He is not a top 10 RB any longer. He has had injuries and is no longer the breakaway threat that he was. What other team would offer him 36M ?



12 mil a year for 1,650 yards and 10 TDs is a misuse if cap space? Id rather pay him that then pay a backup QB like Taylor 7 million per. Draft a quality backup like half of these other teams do and pay them the league min rather then waste 7-10 mil on a backup


This is an excellent point. He was "the offense" in the beginning of the year. Pay him $12/yr, keep Brightwell, and find a big back later in the draft.
RE: If you lose Saquon you lose the offense  
HomerJones45 : 1/23/2023 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16010228 Chip said:
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Send Saquon right and throw left and the wr/te is open. They ran that play all season which is why James was so productive.
If you guys are only interested in top 10 picks every year let him go. How many games do we win without him. Not many.
Yep. This is a lot more important a decision than some are thinking. Too many are thinking top 5 rb's are easily replaceable.
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