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Hilary : 1/23/2023 7:50 am
Beaten by a better team
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I feel like about 1/2 of PFFs grades  
Biteymax22 : 1/23/2023 7:54 am : link
make sense to me. Andrew Thomas clearly played light years better than anyone on our OL, so that one I saw with my eyes and 100% agree with.

Did Feliciano play well? Not at all, but I don't see how his grade is that much worse than Evan Neal's.
Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
kelly : 1/23/2023 8:10 am : link
Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.
RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
halfback20 : 1/23/2023 8:34 am : link
In comment 16009769 kelly said:
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.


Carson Wentz made $32m this year.

Cousins $35m. Derek Carr $40m

Jones is worth more than $25m
RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
Capt. Don : 1/23/2023 8:36 am : link
In comment 16009769 kelly said:
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Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play.


The idea that Daniel Jones will sign anywhere for $25M is comical. It will be well north of $25M; that wont even be a starting point.
Jones  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/23/2023 8:42 am : link
Played his worse game of the entire season IMO. Credit the Eagles, but it sucks with the momentum he was building.
RE: Jones  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/23/2023 9:14 am : link
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Played his worse game of the entire season IMO. Credit the Eagles, but it sucks with the momentum he was building.


all true. and even if he played the best game of his career we still would have been rolled.
3/5 of the OL had good grades...  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/23/2023 9:22 am : link
...yeah, that passes the eyeball test.

/sarcasm
no really played well  
46and2Blue : 1/23/2023 9:23 am : link
to my eye. Jones didn't have a great game but WR's didn't get open for the most part. The defense just couldn't stop the run all night. I thought the game was commentary on the team's talent level. They have heart but they need more talent.
RE: RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
Metnut : 1/23/2023 9:23 am : link
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.



Carson Wentz made $32m this year.

Cousins $35m. Derek Carr $40m

Jones is worth more than $25m


How have the Wentz, Cousins and Carr deals worked out for those teams? Do you think that's something the Giants should be copying?
Evan Neal scored better  
Gruber : 1/23/2023 9:25 am : link
than the previous game against the Vikings.
RE: RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
BigBlueShock : 1/23/2023 9:27 am : link
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.



Carson Wentz made $32m this year.

Cousins $35m. Derek Carr $40m

Jones is worth more than $25m

If you want to claim that Jones is worth more than $25M, you should probably come up with better examples than 3 hugely overpaid QBs that have not lived up to their contracts. Just because THOSE teams overpaid doesn’t mean the Giants should follow in their footsteps. In fact, they’re probably better examples of why NOT to overpay him, no?
Those are the Lowest Scores for Tackling  
OntheRoad : 1/23/2023 9:40 am : link

that I have seen from that site.
RE: RE: RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
mfjmfj : 1/23/2023 9:58 am : link
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.



Carson Wentz made $32m this year.

Cousins $35m. Derek Carr $40m

Jones is worth more than $25m


If you want to claim that Jones is worth more than $25M, you should probably come up with better examples than 3 hugely overpaid QBs that have not lived up to their contracts. Just because THOSE teams overpaid doesn’t mean the Giants should follow in their footsteps. In fact, they’re probably better examples of why NOT to overpay him, no?


Um . . . no. The question is not what you want to pay. It is what the market will give him. QBs get paid. Mediocre QBs. QBs with untapped potential. Even QBs who kill dogs or have rape charges pending. They all get paid. It is a fact that DJ is worth more than $25MM a year and he will get it. He took a totally crappy team (with great coaching) into the playoffs and won a playoff game. His lowest possible paycheck next year is the franchise tag. It might be that we should not pay him what the market will bear, but he is worth a lot more than $25MM (worth here being determined in the only rational way, as what the market will bear).
Curious to see how Sy reviews Jones  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/23/2023 10:36 am : link
They were not able to get him involved in the run game so he was not able to make a impact here. This makes sense as the Eagles have a front to handle this.

Watching the game it seemed like lots of pressure but there were times he certainly had time and was looking downfield. Johnson made the point a few times that he had nobody to throw to but I am sure there will be some misses. He also was again in the poor down/distance situations too often which tend to make things harder for most QB's. This played out most of the year when the Giants could not run.
RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
Johnny5 : 1/23/2023 10:40 am : link
In comment 16009769 kelly said:
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.

Geezus. The WR were blanketed and he was running for his life from the Philly DL. Did he have a bad game? Yeah. But sometimes I wonder if some of you guys actually watch other players on the field other than freaking QB. That Philly team dominated every player we have on the Giants on Saturday night. There are ZERO existing QBs who would have looked good behind center on the Giants that night.
RE: RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/23/2023 11:02 am : link
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.


Geezus. The WR were blanketed and he was running for his life from the Philly DL. Did he have a bad game? Yeah. But sometimes I wonder if some of you guys actually watch other players on the field other than freaking QB. That Philly team dominated every player we have on the Giants on Saturday night. There are ZERO existing QBs who would have looked good behind center on the Giants that night.


That is what it looked to me. There were a few times where you can see him looking downfield and had time. The staff will be able to see how many were missed on Jones versus skill guys/scheme not presenting opportunities.
Eagles are more talented  
Vanzetti : 1/23/2023 1:26 pm : link
But Giants showed no heart.

Eagles out muscled them and were more physical from the first snap to the last.
RE: RE: RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
Dave : 1/23/2023 1:29 pm : link
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.



Carson Wentz made $32m this year.

Cousins $35m. Derek Carr $40m

Jones is worth more than $25m


If you want to claim that Jones is worth more than $25M, you should probably come up with better examples than 3 hugely overpaid QBs that have not lived up to their contracts. Just because THOSE teams overpaid doesn’t mean the Giants should follow in their footsteps. In fact, they’re probably better examples of why NOT to overpay him, no?


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So to justify giving Jones huge money  
Producer : 1/23/2023 1:34 pm : link
You cite a bunch of contracts that look like poor value.

That's not how markets work. If the thing you are buying doesn't look like good value, you don't buy it.
RE: Eagles are more talented  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 1:38 pm : link
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But Giants showed no heart.

Eagles out muscled them and were more physical from the first snap to the last.


id phrase differently, giants showed some effort but no poise. i can recall a handful of effort/physical plays (barkley ran over CJG in the 4q, Jackson made some physical tackles, etc).

they lost bc of talent deficiencies but they were non-competitive because there were numerous times throughout the game where the moment was just too big from the first drive.

Love was a step slow getting over to smith.
McKinney slipped on the 3rd down allowing a goedert walk in td.
Neal got blown by to kill the first drive.
Hodgins double catch that stopped a 3rd down pickup.
Jones INT to bradberry and slayton's poor route bc gates missed a blitz up the middle.
Jones bad throw on the deep ball to slayton and his poor effort to draw what should have been an easy DPI.
James' drop on what would have been a long td.

that's like 5% of the plays in the game where the giants just made big mistakes that cost them points or functioned as "turnovers" since they were 3rd/4th down non-conversions.
Can anybody say that Jones looked anything like a franchise QB on Sat  
Producer : 1/23/2023 1:40 pm : link
It was like he wasn't even there.
RE: Can anybody say that Jones looked anything like a franchise QB on Sat  
BigBlue7 : 1/23/2023 1:42 pm : link
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It was like he wasn't even there.


Literally every player played like shit. Singling out Jones is just a sign of someone searching for confirmation bias
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Producer : 1/23/2023 1:49 pm : link
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It was like he wasn't even there.



Literally every player played like shit. Singling out Jones is just a sign of someone searching for confirmation bias


This is a silly reply, frankly. Yes the whole team played poorly, but this is the NFL, special attention and responsibility is always payed to the QB. A QB that many here want to bestow a historically large contract to. They want to give Daniel Jones a top-10 all time contract. I think it is fair to point to his performance first and foremost.

QB is the most important position on the field. It doesn't matter that other played poorly. Jones played like ass in the most important game of his life. And he's the guy y'all wanna pay.
RE: RE: RE: Can anybody say that Jones looked anything like a franchise QB on Sat  
Walker Gillette : 1/23/2023 2:04 pm : link
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It was like he wasn't even there.



Literally every player played like shit. Singling out Jones is just a sign of someone searching for confirmation bias



This is a silly reply, frankly. Yes the whole team played poorly, but this is the NFL, special attention and responsibility is always payed to the QB. A QB that many here want to bestow a historically large contract to. They want to give Daniel Jones a top-10 all time contract. I think it is fair to point to his performance first and foremost.

QB is the most important position on the field. It doesn't matter that other played poorly. Jones played like ass in the most important game of his life. And he's the guy y'all wanna pay.

Producer I'm really happy for you, your run of bad luck is over and it happened to end on the last game of the season. You stuck to your guns and you got a bad game, now we can hear about it all offseason while you conveniently ignore everything that happened before the Eagles game.
Remember how folks crowed how DJ was great because Glennon and Fromm  
Producer : 1/23/2023 2:09 pm : link
were so poor in his absence?

Davis Webb played many times better than Jones against the Eagles than Jones did in his two meaningful starts. Much better.

RE: Remember how folks crowed how DJ was great because Glennon and Fromm  
Mad Mike : 1/23/2023 2:21 pm : link
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were so poor in his absence?

Davis Webb played many times better than Jones against the Eagles than Jones did in his two meaningful starts. Much better.

It's never good to become a caricature of oneself, especially unintentionally.
RE: RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
GMen72 : 1/23/2023 3:15 pm : link
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.



Carson Wentz made $32m this year.

Cousins $35m. Derek Carr $40m

Jones is worth more than $25m


I'd bet the teams that signed all those guys regret it...but let's make the same mistake, right? Such a Gettleman move. DJ threw for 15 TDs in 16 games and the fanboys want to act like he's worth $35 million? It makes no sense! Signing DJ will make this franchise average for years.
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Walker Gillette : 1/23/2023 3:17 pm : link
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.



Carson Wentz made $32m this year.

Cousins $35m. Derek Carr $40m

Jones is worth more than $25m



I'd bet the teams that signed all those guys regret it...but let's make the same mistake, right? Such a Gettleman move. DJ threw for 15 TDs in 16 games and the fanboys want to act like he's worth $35 million? It makes no sense! Signing DJ will make this franchise average for years.


OK what's your plan then?
RE: RE: RE: Can anybody say that Jones looked anything like a franchise QB on Sat  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/23/2023 4:14 pm : link
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It was like he wasn't even there.



Literally every player played like shit. Singling out Jones is just a sign of someone searching for confirmation bias



This is a silly reply, frankly. Yes the whole team played poorly, but this is the NFL, special attention and responsibility is always payed to the QB. A QB that many here want to bestow a historically large contract to. They want to give Daniel Jones a top-10 all time contract. I think it is fair to point to his performance first and foremost.

QB is the most important position on the field. It doesn't matter that other played poorly. Jones played like ass in the most important game of his life. And he's the guy y'all wanna pay.


The irony of you calling people's posts silly. Jones has one bad game and you are Nostradamus again.
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NYG07 : 1/23/2023 4:21 pm : link
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.



Carson Wentz made $32m this year.

Cousins $35m. Derek Carr $40m

Jones is worth more than $25m



Yet you don't see a problem with this? All three of those QBs are way overpaid and will be dumped by their teams this offseason. Cousins might stick but they are $23M over the cap. I could definitely see them moving on and they should.
ok  
djm : 1/23/2023 4:36 pm : link
offer up a solution or alternative to paying Jones? Who you gonna get that is as good as Jones and cheaper?

A draft pick? So we're going to start all over again simply because other teams paid the QB and then struggled after that? Never mind WHY those teams struggled...just blame it on the QB. That's easy.

Who we starting at QB next season? Who we drafting? Anmd remember, every time you draft a QB in round 1-2 you miss out on a player in that same spot. Every time you draft Sam Darnold ( and we aren't even getting near that kind of prospect in 23 draft) you miss out on Bradley Chubb. Every time you draft Hackenburg in round 2 you miss out on the next Amani Toomer.

You either pay the good players or you don't. Just remember there's risk with every move.

I guess Daniel Jones at 35 per or so  
djm : 1/23/2023 4:37 pm : link
can't ever be viewed as money well spent. And why? BEcause Wentz sucks.

That seems fair.
RE: Offense was terrible but PFF grades look better  
Jack Stroud : 1/23/2023 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16009769 kelly said:
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.
Come on man, Jones played against a far superior defense, he is a very good qb, he could lead this team to a SB! We had better hope he resigns with the Giants, if not we will be in qb hell for years to come!
It would be so Giants to give a mid range QB elite dollars  
Producer : 1/23/2023 5:05 pm : link
just when doing so is out of fashion.
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Matt M. : 1/23/2023 5:15 pm : link
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Jones at 47 is really bad and explains a lot.

He did not play well, reverted back to his old self. Played like Dak. Disappointing.

Not convinced he is worth more than 25 million a year with his current level of play. I think I would put the transition tag on him. If someone else signs him so be it.



Carson Wentz made $32m this year.

Cousins $35m. Derek Carr $40m

Jones is worth more than $25m
So, your answer is to grossly overpay Jones because other teams grossly overpaid equally middle of the pack QBs?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Can anybody say that Jones looked anything like a franchise QB on Sat  
Matt M. : 1/23/2023 5:21 pm : link
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Literally every player played like shit. Singling out Jones is just a sign of someone searching for confirmation bias



This is a silly reply, frankly. Yes the whole team played poorly, but this is the NFL, special attention and responsibility is always payed to the QB. A QB that many here want to bestow a historically large contract to. They want to give Daniel Jones a top-10 all time contract. I think it is fair to point to his performance first and foremost.

QB is the most important position on the field. It doesn't matter that other played poorly. Jones played like ass in the most important game of his life. And he's the guy y'all wanna pay.



The irony of you calling people's posts silly. Jones has one bad game and you are Nostradamus again.
No different than him having one really good game against a bad D.

My take is the last loss knocked him back a notch from the high of the Minny win. Why? Because it was against a good team. He didn't play OK, or well enough to win with a better team around him. He played poorly. Yes, there are other factors, like OL play and WRs. But, what this does is put him right back in a category requiring answers, which is where he was a few weeks ago. I saw enough this year to believe he can be good and is an excellent leader. But, I also saw enough not to want to commit $35M - $40M (or more), especially if that means they have no RB also.

It may not be realistic, but I want Schoen to be really creative and be a salesman to Jones. Sell him on the process and what we are building and get him not to focus on the AAV, but just guarantee more of the $$ up front, at a lower salary/annual average. Try to get that done.
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Lines of Scrimmage : 1/23/2023 5:48 pm : link
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Literally every player played like shit. Singling out Jones is just a sign of someone searching for confirmation bias



This is a silly reply, frankly. Yes the whole team played poorly, but this is the NFL, special attention and responsibility is always payed to the QB. A QB that many here want to bestow a historically large contract to. They want to give Daniel Jones a top-10 all time contract. I think it is fair to point to his performance first and foremost.

QB is the most important position on the field. It doesn't matter that other played poorly. Jones played like ass in the most important game of his life. And he's the guy y'all wanna pay.


He made a good post. The silliness was in the reply. Saying that it does not matter how players played around him is frankly stupid.
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Prude : 1/23/2023 7:26 pm : link
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Literally every player played like shit. Singling out Jones is just a sign of someone searching for confirmation bias



This is a silly reply, frankly. Yes the whole team played poorly, but this is the NFL, special attention and responsibility is always payed to the QB. A QB that many here want to bestow a historically large contract to. They want to give Daniel Jones a top-10 all time contract. I think it is fair to point to his performance first and foremost.

QB is the most important position on the field. It doesn't matter that other played poorly. Jones played like ass in the most important game of his life. And he's the guy y'all wanna pay.



He made a good post. The silliness was in the reply. Saying that it does not matter how players played around him is frankly stupid.


What qb is going to play well getting pressured on 70% of dropbacks and receivers who AVERAGED 1 yard of separation? He could've played better but no possible way he could've had a decent game.
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