Most important offseason in recent history of Giants.
Cannot overpay for any of these free agent players on a roster that is still in rebuild mode.
There is still a huge talent gap across the roster in comparison to Eagles and Cowboys.
Don’t be fooled by this years surprising success. We are not 1 or 2 players away from being on their level.
Most important offseason in recent history of Giants.
Cannot overpay for any of these free agent players on a roster that is still in rebuild mode.
There is still a huge talent gap across the roster in comparison to Eagles and Cowboys.
Don’t be fooled by this years surprising success. We are not 1 or 2 players away from being on their level.
be interesting to see if Schoen is more guarded with his comments this time. Last year, he let it slip that he was specifically looking to cut $40 million in cap space. That sort of telegraphed his plans to agents and the media. I suspect he won't make the same mistake.
to this off season. The regular season was much better than we all expected (though I did predict 8-9, so I was pretty happy there) and now an off season that is truly about building upon not building from the ground..
I think the Giants make one trade this winter/spring for a WR.. Diggs was a great trade for Buffalo as they got him realitively cheaply and I think the Giants could look to do the same. Keep an eye on Gabriel Davis in Buffalo.
They have some money and some base pieces. LW will be an interesting, situation. says he wants to play with dex, but I don't see him giving up his 32 mil.
be interesting to see if Schoen is more guarded with his comments this time. Last year, he let it slip that he was specifically looking to cut $40 million in cap space. That sort of telegraphed his plans to agents and the media. I suspect he won't make the same mistake.
It was certainly a moment of transparency, but if you simply looked at the draft pool, the roster count, and the cap deficit — a number of BBIers guessed the Giants needed to clear around that much before Schoen said it.
Listening to the Giant Insider Podcast this morning
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
be interesting to see if Schoen is more guarded with his comments this time. Last year, he let it slip that he was specifically looking to cut $40 million in cap space. That sort of telegraphed his plans to agents and the media. I suspect he won't make the same mistake.
I don't know if that was a mistake. It set expectations for ownership and the fan base to explain some of what was done.
RE: Listening to the Giant Insider Podcast this morning
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
As a unit they looked off. McKinney had a bad game. He got turned inside out by Goedert on his early TD.
They have some money and some base pieces. LW will be an interesting, situation. says he wants to play with dex, but I don't see him giving up his 32 mil.
Yeah, meanwhile, man I can't see paying him 32 million dollars. I saw his dead cap hit is 20 million, so it's brutal either way. Thanks, Dave. The 'gift' that keeps giving.
RE: Listening to the Giant Insider Podcast this morning
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
That’s interesting. I didn’t notice anything earlier in the game but my hunch is that Daboll had a problem with the last few Philly scores. He didn’t mix words when calling Saturday night a “crash landing”. I know I saw Ward pretty much playing paddy cake late in the 4th in one of Gainwell’s long runs. I have a feeling Daboll didn’t think that score should have gotten up to 38.
RE: Listening to the Giant Insider Podcast this morning
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
other than the long Gainwell runs late, but said that some defenders were having issues getting off their blocks, then also pointed to the missed tackles by Julian Love being shoulder shots and not wrapping up.
RE: RE: Listening to the Giant Insider Podcast this morning
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
Tackling was an issue Saturday. To me, that falls on effort.
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
This is the kind of stuff I dont like.
More questions than anything else. You're telling me Bisignano was in the same spot with Schoen? And Schoen was sitting behind him but Bisignano could tell he was visibly upset?
which our DC is known for, we do have a lot of bad tacklers and less than tone setting players. Our ILB's specifically are more gatherers and take down guys than enforcers. Our safeties are good but not great and our CB's are a bit light in physicality and some, low in ability.
The Giants need WR, CB and ILB as our biggest priorities (assuming we bring back Jones and Barkley).
Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
be interesting to see if Schoen is more guarded with his comments this time. Last year, he let it slip that he was specifically looking to cut $40 million in cap space. That sort of telegraphed his plans to agents and the media. I suspect he won't make the same mistake.
Great point Eric. He's had a year to adjust to things. He'd better improve in that regard.
be interesting to see if Schoen is more guarded with his comments this time. Last year, he let it slip that he was specifically looking to cut $40 million in cap space. That sort of telegraphed his plans to agents and the media. I suspect he won't make the same mistake.
I don’t think it was a bad move last year. I think it was more of a this place is a mess and I was brought here to clean it up so if we really sucked this year he was out in front of it.
Also an aspect that imo doesn’t really get thought about is the relationship between the players and coaches/management isn’t the only one that’s taken a beating. The one between the team (again management/coaches) and the fans and this could be his way of saying he was brought in to fix this and he knows we’ve been bad for awhile and he has some tough decisions that people won’t like or understand and we might have to take a step back to move forward. I know I’m the grand scheme of things that’s down the totem pole but as much of a goof Mara can be I truly believe he really does care about his fans and people in general
Specifically since I think he had a bad game himself. Going for it on 4th down early and then not going for it on 4th down with 12 mins left down 3 scores. You have barely enough time to get 3 TDs at 12 mins and really little chance with less.
The team threw up a stinker all around from coaching to players. Barkley was under used, the D was god awful, Jones didn’t play well and the Wrs were over matched. Not a lot to take out of this game.
I think some people are going to be surprised by some of the moves
made this offseason. It seems clear Schoen / Daboll have a plan, and we have no idea whether that plan is a complete rebuild, or just building on what we have. If all the decisions they make were easy then anyone could be a GM.
This admin just took a bunch of underachievers and guys off the street and won a playoff game. They've got the benefit of the doubt from me.
Most important offseason in recent history of Giants.
Cannot overpay for any of these free agent players on a roster that is still in rebuild mode.
There is still a huge talent gap across the roster in comparison to Eagles and Cowboys.
Don’t be fooled by this years surprising success. We are not 1 or 2 players away from being on their level.
I really hope Schoen and Dabs are reading this! Otherwise, They'd have to actually be good at what they do... /sarcasm off
Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
Nonsense. Hurts was a second round pick and Prescott was a 4th round pick. Pickett went 20th in the first round and was 5-1 down the stretch. Ridder was a 3rd round pick and is now the starter in Atl after going 2-2 down the stretch with that shit team. They are out there- you just have to scout them.
RE: RE: RE: Listening to the Giant Insider Podcast this morning
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
This is the kind of stuff I dont like.
More questions than anything else. You're telling me Bisignano was in the same spot with Schoen? And Schoen was sitting behind him but Bisignano could tell he was visibly upset?
He didnt say that Schoen was DIRECTLY behind him. Schoen could have easily been in the same area, seated a row or two behind on the side and you could EASILY turn your head peak over your shoulder and see his reactions.. not really hard to fathom.
Im sitting at my desk right now and I can see my coworker who is 3ft behind me to the left perfectly fine just by looking over my shoulder with my peripheral vision.
be interesting to see if Schoen is more guarded with his comments this time. Last year, he let it slip that he was specifically looking to cut $40 million in cap space. That sort of telegraphed his plans to agents and the media. I suspect he won't make the same mistake.
I don’t think it was a bad move last year. I think it was more of a this place is a mess and I was brought here to clean it up so if we really sucked this year he was out in front of it.
Also an aspect that imo doesn’t really get thought about is the relationship between the players and coaches/management isn’t the only one that’s taken a beating. The one between the team (again management/coaches) and the fans and this could be his way of saying he was brought in to fix this and he knows we’ve been bad for awhile and he has some tough decisions that people won’t like or understand and we might have to take a step back to move forward. I know I’m the grand scheme of things that’s down the totem pole but as much of a goof Mara can be I truly believe he really does care about his fans and people in general
Everyone on the planet including us bubbleheads on BBI could how cap strapped the Giants were. It was no " state secret " making a statement about how much cap they needed to clear.
I won't be surprised if the Giants make a major change in direction, whether it's trading a high profile player or not retaining a high profile player.
I can imagine Schoen looking at where his team his vs. where the Eagles are for instance, and coming to two conclusions:
1) We're not there yet
2) It's going to take 2 more off seasons to get there
Frankly I wouldn't assume anyone from the team 'quit,' but that they were probably physically and emotionally spent.
A lot of these guys just experienced their first winning season, and had been on basically a two-month stretch of 'must-win' games going back to the first Washington game. I think they got over-hyped on their win against the Vikings - and combined with their other recent wins - rode that high a little too much and lacked the type of grounded intensity you'd need to compete with a team like the Eagles.
Maybe you could say that Daboll needed to reign them in, but he's going through the first-time experience as well.
Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
Nonsense. Hurts was a second round pick and Prescott was a 4th round pick. Pickett went 20th in the first round and was 5-1 down the stretch. Ridder was a 3rd round pick and is now the starter in Atl after going 2-2 down the stretch with that shit team. They are out there- you just have to scout them.
Brock Purdy! It’s rare to get a guy in the 6th or 7Th round and have him become a quality starter though. It can happen with some good scouting and good development, but it’s rare.
I won't be surprised if the Giants make a major change in direction, whether it's trading a high profile player or not retaining a high profile player.
I can imagine Schoen looking at where his team his vs. where the Eagles are for instance, and coming to two conclusions:
1) We're not there yet
2) It's going to take 2 more off seasons to get there
It might have been a good thing that we got thumped the other day, if it was a close game they might have been fooled that we're closer than we really are.
Per se I don’t think they quit until the last drive when the effort was not 100%.
They looked beaten on that last drive.
Schoen realizes that the talent gap is significant
Here is where the Giants stood heading into the game and including it. Four of the last five games were played on the road. This one was played on 6 days rest against a team with two weeks off.
I felt it was important to keep it close in the first. When that did not happen I think it just took a lot of of them imv. Momentum is important in this game especially on a team that had to battle down the stretch against a team with two weeks prep and rest.
RE: RE: RE: Listening to the Giant Insider Podcast this morning
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
Tackling was an issue Saturday. To me, that falls on effort.
Tackling issues are usually due to technique and awareness, if they are making the effort to get there, it is silly to think they are "all out of effort" when making the tackle. Overall, the team came out flat and my feelings on why/how boil down to the team getting over-pumped. They were likely so caught up in trying to be perfect that the opposite occurred. You can't get too much in your own head, just use the instinct and the passion that you played with all season. This game felt off in all areas.
Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
Nonsense. Hurts was a second round pick and Prescott was a 4th round pick. Pickett went 20th in the first round and was 5-1 down the stretch. Ridder was a 3rd round pick and is now the starter in Atl after going 2-2 down the stretch with that shit team. They are out there- you just have to scout them.
Dak is exactly what we can't do, his contract/performance is killing the Cowboys.
Pickett shows potential, but then again he is a #1 pick
Ridder is a complete rookie who played a whopping 4 games, and struggled. He is not an indication of anything right now
Hurts is your best argument, but my opinion is any QB would look good in that offense right now, even a Tyrod or a Baker. I am not sold on Hurts, the only saving grace for him is he is on a rookie contract still
Finding QBs who are worth paying is a hard thing, and somewhat of a crap shoot. For every Allen there is a Baker, Rosen, and Darnold (to use 2018 as one example).
Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
Nonsense. Hurts was a second round pick and Prescott was a 4th round pick. Pickett went 20th in the first round and was 5-1 down the stretch. Ridder was a 3rd round pick and is now the starter in Atl after going 2-2 down the stretch with that shit team. They are out there- you just have to scout them.
And, most importantly, you have to get extremely lucky. Every team passed on Prescott three times. If Dallas knew he could be their franchise guy, why didn't they take him in the third, or second, or first? Because they didn't think he was going to be their franchise guy. They were hoping he could be a solid piece. How many teams scouted Brady and passed on him 5 times? It's not an exact science.
Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
Nonsense. Hurts was a second round pick and Prescott was a 4th round pick. Pickett went 20th in the first round and was 5-1 down the stretch. Ridder was a 3rd round pick and is now the starter in Atl after going 2-2 down the stretch with that shit team. They are out there- you just have to scout them.
Dak is exactly what we can't do, his contract/performance is killing the Cowboys.
Pickett shows potential, but then again he is a #1 pick
Ridder is a complete rookie who played a whopping 4 games, and struggled. He is not an indication of anything right now
Hurts is your best argument, but my opinion is any QB would look good in that offense right now, even a Tyrod or a Baker. I am not sold on Hurts, the only saving grace for him is he is on a rookie contract still
Finding QBs who are worth paying is a hard thing, and somewhat of a crap shoot. For every Allen there is a Baker, Rosen, and Darnold (to use 2018 as one example).
I feel like the plan is to get a guy who has all the physical tools and coach him up. This is what they did with Allen, who was criticized as a reach when he was picked because he played at a small school and was inaccurate. I don't think its a coincidence Allen has seemed to regress this year with Daboll gone.
Don't be surprised if they move up slightly to take a raw QB with size and wheels who they can coach in their system.
I am not saying this in hindsight, but when your D is based on
trickery, weird blitzes and you are playing an offense that is diverse talented and plain nasty; you don't defer the opening kick-off.
He did it in Minnesota (and we recovered to take back the momentum) and again in Philly. The Eagles offense set the tone and we were back on our heels almost the whole game like the SB vs. Baltimore.
Take the ball to start and run Barkley three times. It sets the OL and let's the team settle into the game.
trickery, weird blitzes and you are playing an offense that is diverse talented and plain nasty; you don't defer the opening kick-off.
He did it in Minnesota (and we recovered to take back the momentum) and again in Philly. The Eagles offense set the tone and we were back on our heels almost the whole game like the SB vs. Baltimore.
Take the ball to start and run Barkley three times. It sets the OL and let's the team settle into the game.
That was a huge mistake by Daboll IMHO.
I totally agree.
RE: Listening to the Giant Insider Podcast this morning
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
I didn’t really notice Jackson but Love stood out to me on several occasions. There were tackles to be made with him in position and he either missed or didn’t really give much an effort. Love is a valuable player, he’s versatile and apparently a good leader in the Coker room but he’s not the most physical player. That play in the first Philly game where he had a chance to put a hit on Devonte Smith and completely whiffed and allowed an easy touchdown on 4th and long still irks me. The Giants lack physicality from the safety position. It’s the most overrated position group on the team, imo.
Most important offseason in recent history of Giants.
Cannot overpay for any of these free agent players on a roster that is still in rebuild mode.
There is still a huge talent gap across the roster in comparison to Eagles and Cowboys.
Don’t be fooled by this years surprising success. We are not 1 or 2 players away from being on their level.
So you're telling me right now if NEal develops into a solid starter and we add one very good center or guard in FA and do the same on defense, let's say add a very good LB. Then we draft a WR in round 1 or 2---that team isn't a lot better next season?
We are not in rebuild move. We were in 2020-21. Not anymore unless you want to punt this team into the sun and start over again. Why. If there was no cap you wouldn't even think of doing that. Think that way now.
BUILD this team up around the stars we already possess. Why the hell are we going to move guys out thqat we know can play and are under 26 year old? So we can try and find those guys all over again? Why?
Even if Jones has a ceiling, he can play. Worry about that ceiling when the time comes 3-4 years from now. LEt's sustain some winning first and knock on the door more than once. Build around Jones and Barkley. Help them get better as much as they helped the Giants win this season despite little to no help other than Thomas.
which our DC is known for, we do have a lot of bad tacklers and less than tone setting players. Our ILB's specifically are more gatherers and take down guys than enforcers. Our safeties are good but not great and our CB's are a bit light in physicality and some, low in ability.
The Giants need WR, CB and ILB as our biggest priorities (assuming we bring back Jones and Barkley).
Throw in dline and oline. Would be surprised if we don’t pick one of each over first 5 rds. Hopefully Marcus M , beavers and DJ Davidson all recover too
It will be like 3 more draft picks since Davidson was the only one on the field a little
Cannot overpay for any of these free agent players on a roster that is still in rebuild mode.
There is still a huge talent gap across the roster in comparison to Eagles and Cowboys.
Don’t be fooled by this years surprising success. We are not 1 or 2 players away from being on their level.
Cannot overpay for any of these free agent players on a roster that is still in rebuild mode.
There is still a huge talent gap across the roster in comparison to Eagles and Cowboys.
Don’t be fooled by this years surprising success. We are not 1 or 2 players away from being on their level.
Attaboy, Joe, just what I want to hear
I think the Giants make one trade this winter/spring for a WR.. Diggs was a great trade for Buffalo as they got him realitively cheaply and I think the Giants could look to do the same. Keep an eye on Gabriel Davis in Buffalo.
It was certainly a moment of transparency, but if you simply looked at the draft pool, the roster count, and the cap deficit — a number of BBIers guessed the Giants needed to clear around that much before Schoen said it.
As a unit they looked off. McKinney had a bad game. He got turned inside out by Goedert on his early TD.
Yeah, meanwhile, man I can't see paying him 32 million dollars. I saw his dead cap hit is 20 million, so it's brutal either way. Thanks, Dave. The 'gift' that keeps giving.
That’s interesting. I didn’t notice anything earlier in the game but my hunch is that Daboll had a problem with the last few Philly scores. He didn’t mix words when calling Saturday night a “crash landing”. I know I saw Ward pretty much playing paddy cake late in the 4th in one of Gainwell’s long runs. I have a feeling Daboll didn’t think that score should have gotten up to 38.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
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Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
Tackling was an issue Saturday. To me, that falls on effort.
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Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
This is the kind of stuff I dont like.
More questions than anything else. You're telling me Bisignano was in the same spot with Schoen? And Schoen was sitting behind him but Bisignano could tell he was visibly upset?
The Giants need WR, CB and ILB as our biggest priorities (assuming we bring back Jones and Barkley).
Great point Eric. He's had a year to adjust to things. He'd better improve in that regard.
I don’t think it was a bad move last year. I think it was more of a this place is a mess and I was brought here to clean it up so if we really sucked this year he was out in front of it.
Also an aspect that imo doesn’t really get thought about is the relationship between the players and coaches/management isn’t the only one that’s taken a beating. The one between the team (again management/coaches) and the fans and this could be his way of saying he was brought in to fix this and he knows we’ve been bad for awhile and he has some tough decisions that people won’t like or understand and we might have to take a step back to move forward. I know I’m the grand scheme of things that’s down the totem pole but as much of a goof Mara can be I truly believe he really does care about his fans and people in general
The team threw up a stinker all around from coaching to players. Barkley was under used, the D was god awful, Jones didn’t play well and the Wrs were over matched. Not a lot to take out of this game.
This admin just took a bunch of underachievers and guys off the street and won a playoff game. They've got the benefit of the doubt from me.
Cannot overpay for any of these free agent players on a roster that is still in rebuild mode.
There is still a huge talent gap across the roster in comparison to Eagles and Cowboys.
Don’t be fooled by this years surprising success. We are not 1 or 2 players away from being on their level.
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Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
This is the kind of stuff I dont like.
More questions than anything else. You're telling me Bisignano was in the same spot with Schoen? And Schoen was sitting behind him but Bisignano could tell he was visibly upset?
He didnt say that Schoen was DIRECTLY behind him. Schoen could have easily been in the same area, seated a row or two behind on the side and you could EASILY turn your head peak over your shoulder and see his reactions.. not really hard to fathom.
Im sitting at my desk right now and I can see my coworker who is 3ft behind me to the left perfectly fine just by looking over my shoulder with my peripheral vision.
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be interesting to see if Schoen is more guarded with his comments this time. Last year, he let it slip that he was specifically looking to cut $40 million in cap space. That sort of telegraphed his plans to agents and the media. I suspect he won't make the same mistake.
I don’t think it was a bad move last year. I think it was more of a this place is a mess and I was brought here to clean it up so if we really sucked this year he was out in front of it.
Also an aspect that imo doesn’t really get thought about is the relationship between the players and coaches/management isn’t the only one that’s taken a beating. The one between the team (again management/coaches) and the fans and this could be his way of saying he was brought in to fix this and he knows we’ve been bad for awhile and he has some tough decisions that people won’t like or understand and we might have to take a step back to move forward. I know I’m the grand scheme of things that’s down the totem pole but as much of a goof Mara can be I truly believe he really does care about his fans and people in general
Everyone on the planet including us bubbleheads on BBI could how cap strapped the Giants were. It was no " state secret " making a statement about how much cap they needed to clear.
I can imagine Schoen looking at where his team his vs. where the Eagles are for instance, and coming to two conclusions:
1) We're not there yet
2) It's going to take 2 more off seasons to get there
A lot of these guys just experienced their first winning season, and had been on basically a two-month stretch of 'must-win' games going back to the first Washington game. I think they got over-hyped on their win against the Vikings - and combined with their other recent wins - rode that high a little too much and lacked the type of grounded intensity you'd need to compete with a team like the Eagles.
Maybe you could say that Daboll needed to reign them in, but he's going through the first-time experience as well.
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Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
Nonsense. Hurts was a second round pick and Prescott was a 4th round pick. Pickett went 20th in the first round and was 5-1 down the stretch. Ridder was a 3rd round pick and is now the starter in Atl after going 2-2 down the stretch with that shit team. They are out there- you just have to scout them.
Brock Purdy! It’s rare to get a guy in the 6th or 7Th round and have him become a quality starter though. It can happen with some good scouting and good development, but it’s rare.
I can imagine Schoen looking at where his team his vs. where the Eagles are for instance, and coming to two conclusions:
1) We're not there yet
2) It's going to take 2 more off seasons to get there
It might have been a good thing that we got thumped the other day, if it was a close game they might have been fooled that we're closer than we really are.
They looked beaten on that last drive.
Schoen realizes that the talent gap is significant
The Giants would lose to those 5 teams 10/10 times.
They are in the next class, which is excellent progress in one year.
Here is where the Giants stood heading into the game and including it. Four of the last five games were played on the road. This one was played on 6 days rest against a team with two weeks off.
I felt it was important to keep it close in the first. When that did not happen I think it just took a lot of of them imv. Momentum is important in this game especially on a team that had to battle down the stretch against a team with two weeks prep and rest.
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Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
Tackling was an issue Saturday. To me, that falls on effort.
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Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
Nonsense. Hurts was a second round pick and Prescott was a 4th round pick. Pickett went 20th in the first round and was 5-1 down the stretch. Ridder was a 3rd round pick and is now the starter in Atl after going 2-2 down the stretch with that shit team. They are out there- you just have to scout them.
Dak is exactly what we can't do, his contract/performance is killing the Cowboys.
Pickett shows potential, but then again he is a #1 pick
Ridder is a complete rookie who played a whopping 4 games, and struggled. He is not an indication of anything right now
Hurts is your best argument, but my opinion is any QB would look good in that offense right now, even a Tyrod or a Baker. I am not sold on Hurts, the only saving grace for him is he is on a rookie contract still
Finding QBs who are worth paying is a hard thing, and somewhat of a crap shoot. For every Allen there is a Baker, Rosen, and Darnold (to use 2018 as one example).
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Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
Nonsense. Hurts was a second round pick and Prescott was a 4th round pick. Pickett went 20th in the first round and was 5-1 down the stretch. Ridder was a 3rd round pick and is now the starter in Atl after going 2-2 down the stretch with that shit team. They are out there- you just have to scout them.
And, most importantly, you have to get extremely lucky. Every team passed on Prescott three times. If Dallas knew he could be their franchise guy, why didn't they take him in the third, or second, or first? Because they didn't think he was going to be their franchise guy. They were hoping he could be a solid piece. How many teams scouted Brady and passed on him 5 times? It's not an exact science.
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Is a monumental decision, they aren't in a position to draft a QB. Jones has dealt with alot of staff turnover since being drafted by the Giants. The roster still needs alot of work, he is going to want to get paid. If the price is too high, what is the plan B?
Nonsense. Hurts was a second round pick and Prescott was a 4th round pick. Pickett went 20th in the first round and was 5-1 down the stretch. Ridder was a 3rd round pick and is now the starter in Atl after going 2-2 down the stretch with that shit team. They are out there- you just have to scout them.
Dak is exactly what we can't do, his contract/performance is killing the Cowboys.
Pickett shows potential, but then again he is a #1 pick
Ridder is a complete rookie who played a whopping 4 games, and struggled. He is not an indication of anything right now
Hurts is your best argument, but my opinion is any QB would look good in that offense right now, even a Tyrod or a Baker. I am not sold on Hurts, the only saving grace for him is he is on a rookie contract still
Finding QBs who are worth paying is a hard thing, and somewhat of a crap shoot. For every Allen there is a Baker, Rosen, and Darnold (to use 2018 as one example).
I feel like the plan is to get a guy who has all the physical tools and coach him up. This is what they did with Allen, who was criticized as a reach when he was picked because he played at a small school and was inaccurate. I don't think its a coincidence Allen has seemed to regress this year with Daboll gone.
Don't be surprised if they move up slightly to take a raw QB with size and wheels who they can coach in their system.
He did it in Minnesota (and we recovered to take back the momentum) and again in Philly. The Eagles offense set the tone and we were back on our heels almost the whole game like the SB vs. Baltimore.
Take the ball to start and run Barkley three times. It sets the OL and let's the team settle into the game.
That was a huge mistake by Daboll IMHO.
He did it in Minnesota (and we recovered to take back the momentum) and again in Philly. The Eagles offense set the tone and we were back on our heels almost the whole game like the SB vs. Baltimore.
Take the ball to start and run Barkley three times. It sets the OL and let's the team settle into the game.
That was a huge mistake by Daboll IMHO.
I totally agree.
I didn’t really notice Jackson but Love stood out to me on several occasions. There were tackles to be made with him in position and he either missed or didn’t really give much an effort. Love is a valuable player, he’s versatile and apparently a good leader in the Coker room but he’s not the most physical player. That play in the first Philly game where he had a chance to put a hit on Devonte Smith and completely whiffed and allowed an easy touchdown on 4th and long still irks me. The Giants lack physicality from the safety position. It’s the most overrated position group on the team, imo.
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Cannot overpay for any of these free agent players on a roster that is still in rebuild mode.
There is still a huge talent gap across the roster in comparison to Eagles and Cowboys.
Don’t be fooled by this years surprising success. We are not 1 or 2 players away from being on their level.
So you're telling me right now if NEal develops into a solid starter and we add one very good center or guard in FA and do the same on defense, let's say add a very good LB. Then we draft a WR in round 1 or 2---that team isn't a lot better next season?
We are not in rebuild move. We were in 2020-21. Not anymore unless you want to punt this team into the sun and start over again. Why. If there was no cap you wouldn't even think of doing that. Think that way now.
BUILD this team up around the stars we already possess. Why the hell are we going to move guys out thqat we know can play and are under 26 year old? So we can try and find those guys all over again? Why?
Even if Jones has a ceiling, he can play. Worry about that ceiling when the time comes 3-4 years from now. LEt's sustain some winning first and knock on the door more than once. Build around Jones and Barkley. Help them get better as much as they helped the Giants win this season despite little to no help other than Thomas.
The Giants need WR, CB and ILB as our biggest priorities (assuming we bring back Jones and Barkley).
Throw in dline and oline. Would be surprised if we don’t pick one of each over first 5 rds. Hopefully Marcus M , beavers and DJ Davidson all recover too
It will be like 3 more draft picks since Davidson was the only one on the field a little