Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Daboll said he has confidence in his staff when asked if he was planning any coaching changes. Said you have to have a plan in case someone isn't back.
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Schoen said the goal is to close the gap between the Giants and teams like the Eagles. Said it's important to win the NFC East and everything else will take care of itself.
Charlotte Carroll
@charlottecrrll
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“You always have to have a plan”
Brian Daboll on if potential coordinator positions open with Wink Martindale and Mike Kafka taking HC interviews. Says he’s confident with group inside and work they’ve put in to make year 2 smooth
The Giant Insider Newspaper & Podcast
@GiantInsider
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Schoen says there was few occasions when he wanted to add veterans but couldn’t financial wise, didn’t have flexibility.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Joe Schoen: "Dinner was good" with Odell Beckham Jr. on free agent visit. Says Giants will get together and formulate free agent plans starting next week.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Joe Schoen says the dinner with Odell Beckham was "good" but deflects on directly answering about revisiting that option.
Speaks generally to all free agent options they will evaluate
John Schmeelk
@Schmeelk
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Also cited 1-5-1 record in NFC East and later added that increased flexibility this offseason with the cap and 9 draft picks will help do that.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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#Giants Schoen on Love - werent able to get a new deal in the bye...he knows the team wants him, had a good exit interview
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Schoen said there are some potential FAs out there that can help the team moving forward.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen on Sterling Shepard: "Love Shep. Juice guy." He's been a tremendous resource despite the injury.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Joe Schoen says his opinion on Xavier McKinney has not changed following his ATV accident. "He's a great kid that we look forward to working with." #Giants
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Schoen said they'll continue monitoring Sterling Shepard's rehab. Haven't closed the door on his returning.
As I’ve suspected, Jones being back depends on the money. They’ll tag him if they have to, so at minimum he’s back for 2023. I don’t think he’s getting some massive contract though.
Yup -- there are 5 power houses in the NFL right now: Philly, San Francisco, Cincinnati, KC, and Buffalo.
The Giants would lose to those 5 teams 10/10 times.
They are in the next class, which is excellent progress in one year.
This might be fair, maybe a slight exaggeration but fine. That doesn't mean we get rid of the only star power we have on offense. That doesn't mean we can't build around what we have here already. Not saying you implied that, but many are flat out saying it.
AGain, you're allowed to pay 12-15 big time salaries in this cap world we love to fear. We are paying like 3-4 guys right now. And 1-2 of them are coming off the books over the next season or so.
This fear of spending money is out of control around here. Yes you don't want to sign a Galladay. Shit, you did't want to pay that guy in 1986 either. it fucked the books then too. IT would fuck them now. But Barkley is not Galloday. Jones is not Dak. And if he is, ok? Who the fuck else we getting for 2023? Some guy from Idaho?
If Daboll is convinced he can do better and soon? Fine. I'll put my faith in him. With all due respect to everyone here, I aint putting my faith in the take that says Jones is a huge pay risk or that e is Dak redux. What if he keeps this up for the next 3-4-5 years? We're fine that's what.
The fact that’s what go gleaned from my post is both bizarre and not surprising.
You're saying we are far away from the big 5 Correct? Good. I am saying that doesn't mean to move on from the core of players here. Others here are definitely saying this. And I even said I wasn't sure you implied that. I guess that wasn't good enough for you. Even though I clearly said it.
Should I be surprised that yet another one of your posts annoyed me. No.
Bye.
Did someone skips their meds this morning?
I don’t take meds. Nice classy post though. Are you really a Christian?
Conjure up one wrong take or one take that seems outlandish. I’m only getting out in front of the barrage of cap money fearful takes that will inundate this site over the coming months. I’m in the minority so I guess I’m crazy.
and stick to it. You can't overpay because it kills your cap down the road. I like Williams and hope they work something out and he stays, but I would understand if they traded him to a team that's closer to the SB that needs a stalwart DT for picks this year. I like Love, but if someone throws silly $$ at him let him go and trot Pinnock out there and draft another S. Hodgins is the only WR I'd hate to see go. He would be really good as a possession type. Slayton and James are replaceable, Shep is a good guy but enough already.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Did he slip?
Told he just said Jones would be here, he goes back to his early general statement.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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#Giants Schoen on injuries - trying to figure out reasons and how to improve team's health in the future
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen said the book is pretty much closed on 2022. It's onto 2023. "There's no vacation."
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Schoen - process been in place for one year....year 2 should be smoother
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Schoen said UFAs wil be the early priority, but they'll also look at guys who are nearing the end of their contracts.
I did not get the sense that they would overpay on Barkley
if something can be worked out that is team friendly, they might do it. If they get Jones done and can use the franchise, they might do it. But, I did not get the sense that they are breaking the bank for him--which is great news.
Pat Leonard
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One theme of Joe Schoen's approach to the offseason signings and decisions, it appears, is that he values "in-house" knowledge of players as people, injury histories, performance. It's very clear he is prioritizing *trying* to keep the NYG UFAs who impressed him in the building
Dan Salomone
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Daboll said their philosophy isn't just to collect talent. It's to build a team.
I would love to know how he is planning to address injuries
if something can be worked out that is team friendly, they might do it. If they get Jones done and can use the franchise, they might do it. But, I did not get the sense that they are breaking the bank for him--which is great news.
Based on Saquon's comments the other day he knows it too. If he plays too much hardball they will let him walk.
Dan Duggan
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Came away from Schoen’s presser 100% convinced Daniel Jones will be back. Expect Saquon back as well, but Schoen did not speak as definitively about him.
It’s hard posting a take in the minority and getting yelled at by people. What can I say it’s something I believe in. I usually provide facts or good evidence — yet it angers some of you or forces some to come at me and twist my words to make them sound looney.
All I said was don’t give up on the core of talent here simply because we’re not in the elite class of teams yet. And I called out the Dak takes as a little crazy.
Dan Duggan
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Came away from Schoen’s presser 100% convinced Daniel Jones will be back. Expect Saquon back as well, but Schoen did not speak as definitively about him.
1000% I was kinda surprised at how assertiveness in wanting Jones back and as mentioned Schoen slipped up saying he will be back.
They clearly like Saquon but absolutely no overpaying, he'll get what they feel is a fair offer and if wants more he can get it elsewhere.
RE: main thing is that I trust Schoen to set a value for each player
and stick to it. You can't overpay because it kills your cap down the road. I like Williams and hope they work something out and he stays, but I would understand if they traded him to a team that's closer to the SB that needs a stalwart DT for picks this year. I like Love, but if someone throws silly $$ at him let him go and trot Pinnock out there and draft another S. Hodgins is the only WR I'd hate to see go. He would be really good as a possession type. Slayton and James are replaceable, Shep is a good guy but enough already.
I like LW but that contract is hefty. They have Lawrence (who is due a contract) and they can grab a DT in the draft if they want to have a cost-controlled piece on the DL.
Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Did he slip?
Told he just said Jones would be here, he goes back to his early general statement.
He will be here on the franchise tag if they can't agree on a multi-year deal. And this was no slip, it was intentional, and aimed directly at Jones and his agent. He was making it perfectly clear that Jones will not see free agency. If the media and fan got the message, too, so be it, but this so-called "slip" was for the benefit of Jones and his agent.
Seems like Schoen agrees with Sy regarding his answer to the #1 WR question. Its a need but the Giants still need significant improvement near the LOS on both sides of the ball.
Interior OL, depth on DL and LB's are all needed. I'd also love an impact dual threat TE but that's me Christmas shopping.
RE: I would love to know how he is planning to address injuries
It can't just be coincidence or bad luck that the Giants are consistently among the most injured teams - and was the most injured among playoff teams.
not a knock on you but the chart, seattle looks like they had more and they made it.
this year they were more middle of the pack injuries than prior years and in the playoffs they were close to full strength.
unlike prior years i think most of the injuries (the mcls) were contact injuries (williams, jackson, thibs, neal, barkley stinger, ezeudu neck). bellinger was obviously a contact injury.
the rookie class ACLs were the only really bizarre thing this year. 4 in one class is nuts.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Well, that is the right question that needs to be asked internally. But it requires an additional question if you answer "yes".
And if yes, what do you have to do to support that belief? More offensive resources that could negative impact the balance of the team. Or do you think Jones will grow without over-committing those resources. It had better be the latter...
BTW, I'm so sick of these OBJ scenarios. I can't think of a receiver I'd have less interest in adding...
Seems like Schoen agrees with Sy regarding his answer to the #1 WR question. Its a need but the Giants still need significant improvement near the LOS on both sides of the ball.
Interior OL, depth on DL and LB's are all needed. I'd also love an impact dual threat TE but that's me Christmas shopping.
I also thought Schoen's comment about teams being home from the playoffs who have a true #1WR was an off-hand reference to Diggs and the Bills.
It’s hard posting a take in the minority and getting yelled at by people. What can I say it’s something I believe in. I usually provide facts or good evidence — yet it angers some of you or forces some to come at me and twist my words to make them sound looney.
All I said was don’t give up on the core of talent here simply because we’re not in the elite class of teams yet. And I called out the Dak takes as a little crazy.
THAT is unacceptable? Tough crowd.
I don't think the Dak talk is crazy at all, and I don't think a position on Dak affects your core premise at all. I believe in paying/keeping your core, like it sounds you do too, but consider the Dak situation excessive. Of course neither you nor I know what would have happened it they didn't give Dak insane dollars, its just our opinion. However I do believe that they could have gotten the same production from a QB half the price, and that means another ~$23M or so available to improve a different area. Better LBs, another WR, etc could have made a big difference last night.
Just because you have a basic philosophy of keeping the core together doesn't mean at all costs. Paying Dak "Mahomes-like" money (or elite money) was stupid IMO. Its clear he is not worth anywhere near that much
and stick to it. You can't overpay because it kills your cap down the road. I like Williams and hope they work something out and he stays, but I would understand if they traded him to a team that's closer to the SB that needs a stalwart DT for picks this year. I like Love, but if someone throws silly $$ at him let him go and trot Pinnock out there and draft another S. Hodgins is the only WR I'd hate to see go. He would be really good as a possession type. Slayton and James are replaceable, Shep is a good guy but enough already.
I like LW but that contract is hefty. They have Lawrence (who is due a contract) and they can grab a DT in the draft if they want to have a cost-controlled piece on the DL.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Well, that is the right question that needs to be asked internally. But it requires an additional question if you answer "yes".
And if yes, what do you have to do to support that belief? More offensive resources that could negative impact the balance of the team. Or do you think Jones will grow without over-committing those resources. It had better be the latter...
BTW, I'm so sick of these OBJ scenarios. I can't think of a receiver I'd have less interest in adding...
THANK YOU! How stupid do you have to be to think that jerk with 2 ACLs behind him now is worth the $$ and the headaches?
It’s so nice seeing Schoen & Daboll up there together. Gettleman would be up there solo talking about giving the head coach good players to work with. Absolutely no unified direction before. Now there seems to be a unified direction.
out of this and realize Barkley is a KNOWN commodity- good and bad. The good is obvious, the bad is a sometimes soft running style and a long history of getting injured.
Was Barkley more effective earlier in the season when Jones was running a lot? Could be. Did Barkley become a bit more worn down, less explosive after the Houston game with a large number of carries? He sure the heck did.
When you are putting a roster together you have to balance it all out. Look at the Eagles, are any of their backs in Barkley's class as far as talent goes? heck no. BUT, their Oline, their TE's, their WR's are all top notch and thus those backs are even better than their overall talent would suggest. The Giants can save a LOT of money with by employing a committee type approach at RB ( Breida, Brightwell, draft choice etc) and use more money for TE help, WR help and maybe another Olinemen.
Love the answers they gave and how they wouldn’t give an inch on the fishing questions from the media. The previous GM loved trying to sound smart and it resulted in him constantly saying more than he should
out of this and realize Barkley is a KNOWN commodity- good and bad. The good is obvious, the bad is a sometimes soft running style and a long history of getting injured.
Was Barkley more effective earlier in the season when Jones was running a lot? Could be. Did Barkley become a bit more worn down, less explosive after the Houston game with a large number of carries? He sure the heck did.
When you are putting a roster together you have to balance it all out. Look at the Eagles, are any of their backs in Barkley's class as far as talent goes? heck no. BUT, their Oline, their TE's, their WR's are all top notch and thus those backs are even better than their overall talent would suggest. The Giants can save a LOT of money with by employing a committee type approach at RB ( Breida, Brightwell, draft choice etc) and use more money for TE help, WR help and maybe another Olinemen.
You also get worse at RB. And what WR are you paying all that saved money to? Where is he? He aint in 2023 FA I can tell you that.
Barkley made some of the biggest plays in that WC win at Minny. He also had 2 big TDs. Are you sure he wore down?
interest in OBJ, and I'd be stunned if the Giants did.
The Cowboys massively overpaid for Dak, as the Vikings did with Cousins. The Giants can't do the same with Jones. Don't pay a QB top five money who isn't playing at that level. Doing that is worse than the Jets blowing two top five picks on QBs in less than five years.
It’s hard posting a take in the minority and getting yelled at by people. What can I say it’s something I believe in. I usually provide facts or good evidence — yet it angers some of you or forces some to come at me and twist my words to make them sound looney.
All I said was don’t give up on the core of talent here simply because we’re not in the elite class of teams yet. And I called out the Dak takes as a little crazy.
THAT is unacceptable? Tough crowd.
I don't think the Dak talk is crazy at all, and I don't think a position on Dak affects your core premise at all. I believe in paying/keeping your core, like it sounds you do too, but consider the Dak situation excessive. Of course neither you nor I know what would have happened it they didn't give Dak insane dollars, its just our opinion. However I do believe that they could have gotten the same production from a QB half the price, and that means another ~$23M or so available to improve a different area. Better LBs, another WR, etc could have made a big difference last night.
Just because you have a basic philosophy of keeping the core together doesn't mean at all costs. Paying Dak "Mahomes-like" money (or elite money) was stupid IMO. Its clear he is not worth anywhere near that much
Fair enough. I don't think Dallas had a choice and I don't think they foresaw this regression out of Dak either, but I hear you.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Well, that is the right question that needs to be asked internally. But it requires an additional question if you answer "yes".
And if yes, what do you have to do to support that belief? More offensive resources that could negative impact the balance of the team. Or do you think Jones will grow without over-committing those resources. It had better be the latter...
He said something else that made it clear that they wanted to build a team around Jones. it was in the discussion about the Superbowl, I think. There was an aside that seemed like they wouldn't be bringing him back if they didn't think he was capable. There were a fair number of Jones questions and some was hard to follow.
I think Schoen is much more committed to working something out with Jones than Barkley. I think that is smart.
Had same exact impression
I think the message is that the franchise tag is reserved (if necessary) for Jones, not Barkley. So we can be sure that Jones will be back, but Barkley's future with the team remains uncertain.
because the chances of getting value back are low. RBs get hurt (unless everyone forgets, Barkley played the majority of this year with a shoulder injury) and the difference between a good RB and a great one are too small in terms of winning to justify the expense.
Barkley knows this, and he knows Schoen definitely knows this. Based on his comments yesterday, he'll take what the Giants are handing out, unless some other team overwhelms their offer.
RE: RE: Listening to the Giant Insider Podcast this morning
Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
So as long as no one has the balls to call it out when it happens, it's cool? I don't think so. I saw the same thing, so did those i watched with. For some of them, beating the Vikings was good enough.I'm glad it isn't for management.
Seems like Schoen agrees with Sy regarding his answer to the #1 WR question. Its a need but the Giants still need significant improvement near the LOS on both sides of the ball.
Interior OL, depth on DL and LB's are all needed. I'd also love an impact dual threat TE but that's me Christmas shopping.
For long term success, yes to IOL and front 7
Obviously need cbs and wrs but it all starts with stopping run and controlling LOS. Sure we will draft or sign cbs and wrs. But going big there ( cherry on top) may be 2024 If our first 4 picks over 3 rds fill with 1 ILB, IOL and D lineman, would be thrilled.
@Patricia_Traina
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Daboll said he has confidence in his staff when asked if he was planning any coaching changes. Said you have to have a plan in case someone isn't back.
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Schoen said the goal is to close the gap between the Giants and teams like the Eagles. Said it's important to win the NFC East and everything else will take care of itself.
@charlottecrrll
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“You always have to have a plan”
Brian Daboll on if potential coordinator positions open with Wink Martindale and Mike Kafka taking HC interviews. Says he’s confident with group inside and work they’ve put in to make year 2 smooth
The Giant Insider Newspaper & Podcast
@GiantInsider
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Schoen says there was few occasions when he wanted to add veterans but couldn’t financial wise, didn’t have flexibility.
@art_stapleton
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Joe Schoen: "Dinner was good" with Odell Beckham Jr. on free agent visit. Says Giants will get together and formulate free agent plans starting next week.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Joe Schoen says the dinner with Odell Beckham was "good" but deflects on directly answering about revisiting that option.
Speaks generally to all free agent options they will evaluate
John Schmeelk
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Also cited 1-5-1 record in NFC East and later added that increased flexibility this offseason with the cap and 9 draft picks will help do that.
@giantswfan
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#Giants Schoen on Love - werent able to get a new deal in the bye...he knows the team wants him, had a good exit interview
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Schoen said there are some potential FAs out there that can help the team moving forward.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen on Sterling Shepard: "Love Shep. Juice guy." He's been a tremendous resource despite the injury.
@art_stapleton
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Joe Schoen says his opinion on Xavier McKinney has not changed following his ATV accident. "He's a great kid that we look forward to working with." #Giants
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Schoen said they'll continue monitoring Sterling Shepard's rehab. Haven't closed the door on his returning.
@Dan_Salomone
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Joe Schoen: "You shop hungry, you overpay."
I think Barkley may be gone.
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Yup -- there are 5 power houses in the NFL right now: Philly, San Francisco, Cincinnati, KC, and Buffalo.
The Giants would lose to those 5 teams 10/10 times.
They are in the next class, which is excellent progress in one year.
This might be fair, maybe a slight exaggeration but fine. That doesn't mean we get rid of the only star power we have on offense. That doesn't mean we can't build around what we have here already. Not saying you implied that, but many are flat out saying it.
AGain, you're allowed to pay 12-15 big time salaries in this cap world we love to fear. We are paying like 3-4 guys right now. And 1-2 of them are coming off the books over the next season or so.
This fear of spending money is out of control around here. Yes you don't want to sign a Galladay. Shit, you did't want to pay that guy in 1986 either. it fucked the books then too. IT would fuck them now. But Barkley is not Galloday. Jones is not Dak. And if he is, ok? Who the fuck else we getting for 2023? Some guy from Idaho?
If Daboll is convinced he can do better and soon? Fine. I'll put my faith in him. With all due respect to everyone here, I aint putting my faith in the take that says Jones is a huge pay risk or that e is Dak redux. What if he keeps this up for the next 3-4-5 years? We're fine that's what.
The fact that’s what go gleaned from my post is both bizarre and not surprising.
You're saying we are far away from the big 5 Correct? Good. I am saying that doesn't mean to move on from the core of players here. Others here are definitely saying this. And I even said I wasn't sure you implied that. I guess that wasn't good enough for you. Even though I clearly said it.
Should I be surprised that yet another one of your posts annoyed me. No.
Bye.
Did someone skips their meds this morning?
I don’t take meds. Nice classy post though. Are you really a Christian?
Conjure up one wrong take or one take that seems outlandish. I’m only getting out in front of the barrage of cap money fearful takes that will inundate this site over the coming months. I’m in the minority so I guess I’m crazy.
One take that was wrong or can’t be argued.
@art_stapleton
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Joe Schoen: "If you shop hungry, then you overpay and it's a bad deal, you have buyer's remorse." #Giants
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Did he slip?
Told he just said Jones would be here, he goes back to his early general statement.
But... interesting!
@giantswfan
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#Giants Schoen on injuries - trying to figure out reasons and how to improve team's health in the future
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen said the book is pretty much closed on 2022. It's onto 2023. "There's no vacation."
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Schoen - process been in place for one year....year 2 should be smoother
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Schoen said UFAs wil be the early priority, but they'll also look at guys who are nearing the end of their contracts.
@Dan_Salomone
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Joe Schoen said they're going to be "relentless" in the pursuit of building a championship team here.
@PLeonardNYDN
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One theme of Joe Schoen's approach to the offseason signings and decisions, it appears, is that he values "in-house" knowledge of players as people, injury histories, performance. It's very clear he is prioritizing *trying* to keep the NYG UFAs who impressed him in the building
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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Daboll said their philosophy isn't just to collect talent. It's to build a team.
Based on Saquon's comments the other day he knows it too. If he plays too much hardball they will let him walk.
@DDuggan21
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Came away from Schoen’s presser 100% convinced Daniel Jones will be back. Expect Saquon back as well, but Schoen did not speak as definitively about him.
@Dan_Salomone
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Joe Schoen: "You shop hungry, you overpay."
"That's bullshit Joe"
Looks like he's getting tagged if they can't get a deal done.
At the end he went further. He said they're glad Jones is going to be there.
Sounds like a deal is done or at least they're in the same ballpark as Jones people.
It’s hard posting a take in the minority and getting yelled at by people. What can I say it’s something I believe in. I usually provide facts or good evidence — yet it angers some of you or forces some to come at me and twist my words to make them sound looney.
All I said was don’t give up on the core of talent here simply because we’re not in the elite class of teams yet. And I called out the Dak takes as a little crazy.
THAT is unacceptable? Tough crowd.
Had same exact impression
@DDuggan21
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Came away from Schoen’s presser 100% convinced Daniel Jones will be back. Expect Saquon back as well, but Schoen did not speak as definitively about him.
1000% I was kinda surprised at how assertiveness in wanting Jones back and as mentioned Schoen slipped up saying he will be back.
They clearly like Saquon but absolutely no overpaying, he'll get what they feel is a fair offer and if wants more he can get it elsewhere.
I like LW but that contract is hefty. They have Lawrence (who is due a contract) and they can grab a DT in the draft if they want to have a cost-controlled piece on the DL.
Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Did he slip?
Told he just said Jones would be here, he goes back to his early general statement.
Interior OL, depth on DL and LB's are all needed. I'd also love an impact dual threat TE but that's me Christmas shopping.
not a knock on you but the chart, seattle looks like they had more and they made it.
this year they were more middle of the pack injuries than prior years and in the playoffs they were close to full strength.
unlike prior years i think most of the injuries (the mcls) were contact injuries (williams, jackson, thibs, neal, barkley stinger, ezeudu neck). bellinger was obviously a contact injury.
the rookie class ACLs were the only really bizarre thing this year. 4 in one class is nuts.
I just feel good about the direction.
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Well, that is the right question that needs to be asked internally. But it requires an additional question if you answer "yes".
And if yes, what do you have to do to support that belief? More offensive resources that could negative impact the balance of the team. Or do you think Jones will grow without over-committing those resources. It had better be the latter...
BTW, I'm so sick of these OBJ scenarios. I can't think of a receiver I'd have less interest in adding...
Interior OL, depth on DL and LB's are all needed. I'd also love an impact dual threat TE but that's me Christmas shopping.
I also thought Schoen's comment about teams being home from the playoffs who have a true #1WR was an off-hand reference to Diggs and the Bills.
It’s hard posting a take in the minority and getting yelled at by people. What can I say it’s something I believe in. I usually provide facts or good evidence — yet it angers some of you or forces some to come at me and twist my words to make them sound looney.
All I said was don’t give up on the core of talent here simply because we’re not in the elite class of teams yet. And I called out the Dak takes as a little crazy.
THAT is unacceptable? Tough crowd.
I don't think the Dak talk is crazy at all, and I don't think a position on Dak affects your core premise at all. I believe in paying/keeping your core, like it sounds you do too, but consider the Dak situation excessive. Of course neither you nor I know what would have happened it they didn't give Dak insane dollars, its just our opinion. However I do believe that they could have gotten the same production from a QB half the price, and that means another ~$23M or so available to improve a different area. Better LBs, another WR, etc could have made a big difference last night.
Just because you have a basic philosophy of keeping the core together doesn't mean at all costs. Paying Dak "Mahomes-like" money (or elite money) was stupid IMO. Its clear he is not worth anywhere near that much
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and stick to it. You can't overpay because it kills your cap down the road. I like Williams and hope they work something out and he stays, but I would understand if they traded him to a team that's closer to the SB that needs a stalwart DT for picks this year. I like Love, but if someone throws silly $$ at him let him go and trot Pinnock out there and draft another S. Hodgins is the only WR I'd hate to see go. He would be really good as a possession type. Slayton and James are replaceable, Shep is a good guy but enough already.
I like LW but that contract is hefty. They have Lawrence (who is due a contract) and they can grab a DT in the draft if they want to have a cost-controlled piece on the DL.
yup
Hope Love comes back and that Lawrence gets a new contract.
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Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Well, that is the right question that needs to be asked internally. But it requires an additional question if you answer "yes".
And if yes, what do you have to do to support that belief? More offensive resources that could negative impact the balance of the team. Or do you think Jones will grow without over-committing those resources. It had better be the latter...
BTW, I'm so sick of these OBJ scenarios. I can't think of a receiver I'd have less interest in adding...
THANK YOU! How stupid do you have to be to think that jerk with 2 ACLs behind him now is worth the $$ and the headaches?
1) LW’s current agreement needs to be addressed
2) If Barkley isn’t trying to reset the market (per SB) and they aren’t close, the dollar value Schoen puts on RB might be pretty low
3) They aren’t rolling over to Team Jones
I just feel good about the direction.
It’s so nice seeing Schoen & Daboll up there together. Gettleman would be up there solo talking about giving the head coach good players to work with. Absolutely no unified direction before. Now there seems to be a unified direction.
Was Barkley more effective earlier in the season when Jones was running a lot? Could be. Did Barkley become a bit more worn down, less explosive after the Houston game with a large number of carries? He sure the heck did.
When you are putting a roster together you have to balance it all out. Look at the Eagles, are any of their backs in Barkley's class as far as talent goes? heck no. BUT, their Oline, their TE's, their WR's are all top notch and thus those backs are even better than their overall talent would suggest. The Giants can save a LOT of money with by employing a committee type approach at RB ( Breida, Brightwell, draft choice etc) and use more money for TE help, WR help and maybe another Olinemen.
Was Barkley more effective earlier in the season when Jones was running a lot? Could be. Did Barkley become a bit more worn down, less explosive after the Houston game with a large number of carries? He sure the heck did.
When you are putting a roster together you have to balance it all out. Look at the Eagles, are any of their backs in Barkley's class as far as talent goes? heck no. BUT, their Oline, their TE's, their WR's are all top notch and thus those backs are even better than their overall talent would suggest. The Giants can save a LOT of money with by employing a committee type approach at RB ( Breida, Brightwell, draft choice etc) and use more money for TE help, WR help and maybe another Olinemen.
You also get worse at RB. And what WR are you paying all that saved money to? Where is he? He aint in 2023 FA I can tell you that.
Barkley made some of the biggest plays in that WC win at Minny. He also had 2 big TDs. Are you sure he wore down?
The Cowboys massively overpaid for Dak, as the Vikings did with Cousins. The Giants can't do the same with Jones. Don't pay a QB top five money who isn't playing at that level. Doing that is worse than the Jets blowing two top five picks on QBs in less than five years.
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I read it again to be sure. I’ve said far worse.
It’s hard posting a take in the minority and getting yelled at by people. What can I say it’s something I believe in. I usually provide facts or good evidence — yet it angers some of you or forces some to come at me and twist my words to make them sound looney.
All I said was don’t give up on the core of talent here simply because we’re not in the elite class of teams yet. And I called out the Dak takes as a little crazy.
THAT is unacceptable? Tough crowd.
I don't think the Dak talk is crazy at all, and I don't think a position on Dak affects your core premise at all. I believe in paying/keeping your core, like it sounds you do too, but consider the Dak situation excessive. Of course neither you nor I know what would have happened it they didn't give Dak insane dollars, its just our opinion. However I do believe that they could have gotten the same production from a QB half the price, and that means another ~$23M or so available to improve a different area. Better LBs, another WR, etc could have made a big difference last night.
Just because you have a basic philosophy of keeping the core together doesn't mean at all costs. Paying Dak "Mahomes-like" money (or elite money) was stupid IMO. Its clear he is not worth anywhere near that much
Fair enough. I don't think Dallas had a choice and I don't think they foresaw this regression out of Dak either, but I hear you.
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Giants GM Joe Schoen, asked if he believes Daniel Jones can win a Super Bowl, says in his answer: "We're happy he's gonna be here."
Well, that is the right question that needs to be asked internally. But it requires an additional question if you answer "yes".
And if yes, what do you have to do to support that belief? More offensive resources that could negative impact the balance of the team. Or do you think Jones will grow without over-committing those resources. It had better be the latter...
He said something else that made it clear that they wanted to build a team around Jones. it was in the discussion about the Superbowl, I think. There was an aside that seemed like they wouldn't be bringing him back if they didn't think he was capable. There were a fair number of Jones questions and some was hard to follow.
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I think Schoen is much more committed to working something out with Jones than Barkley. I think that is smart.
Had same exact impression
Barkley knows this, and he knows Schoen definitely knows this. Based on his comments yesterday, he'll take what the Giants are handing out, unless some other team overwhelms their offer.
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Chris Bisignano said it was apparent some of the Giant secondary didn't give the best effort on Saturday (specifically Adoree Jackson). He said Schoen sat behind him during the game and was visibly upset. He's sure Schoen saw what he saw regarding the effort.
Hell of an accusation to accuse guys of not trying
So as long as no one has the balls to call it out when it happens, it's cool? I don't think so. I saw the same thing, so did those i watched with. For some of them, beating the Vikings was good enough.I'm glad it isn't for management.
Interior OL, depth on DL and LB's are all needed. I'd also love an impact dual threat TE but that's me Christmas shopping.
For long term success, yes to IOL and front 7
Obviously need cbs and wrs but it all starts with stopping run and controlling LOS. Sure we will draft or sign cbs and wrs. But going big there ( cherry on top) may be 2024 If our first 4 picks over 3 rds fill with 1 ILB, IOL and D lineman, would be thrilled.