How can Met Life and Levi Stadiums be so #$@& ugly ?

Or LA would cost 3 to 4 more times to build it in jersey would be the starting point

Vegas/Bay Area real estate is not cheap if not more $ than Meadowlands

In comment 16010096 MeanBunny said:

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Vegas/Bay Area real estate is not cheap if not more $ than Meadowlands

They don’t own the property I believe. Labor and material cost are much higher in the great northeast

New York Metro and San Francisco probably the highest in the country

I like Levi Stadium, except if you go to a day game and sit in the sun, where the seats become unbearably hot and bright.

They did a great job making the parking lots tailgate friendly.

In comment 16010096 MeanBunny said:

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Vegas/Bay Area real estate is not cheap if not more $ than Meadowlands

Yup.

Look at where SoFi is as well with respect to where it could be.

Easy to get in and out, good concessions with wide concourses.

Sofi stadium, Allegiant, AT&T, or even University of Phoenix stadiums here would have ran the team over 4 billion dollars easily here in Jersey. The labor cost alone would of been astronomical.

In comment 16010136 Section331 said:

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Easy to get in and out, good concessions with wide concourses.

Levi's is very nice inside.

It's funny how spoiled fans can be. Did we all forget where teams played only 15+ years ago?

Candlestick Park? The Vet? Jack Murphy Stadium? Oakland Coliseum?

These states…. Their tax’s and forced union labor create double or triple construction costs…. It’s incredible that in California they built sofi but I believe it was 5-6 billion?

Price. They were caught between different visions from each team and tried to split the difference. End result... Generic Grey dump. I don't think that it was a lack of money or costs. What they built is built ok. It just stinks from a design standpoint.

Is ugly as sin fwiw… stadium doesnt match the spirit of the franchise imo

Qatar route.

There are legit complaints about MetLife, namely how high up the upper deck is and how hard it is to get out of the stadium after games. I also wish it was Giants only. But what it looks like? Who gives a crap.

In comment 16010213 Kanavis said:

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Price. They were caught between different visions from each team and tried to split the difference. End result... Generic Grey dump. I don't think that it was a lack of money or costs. What they built is built ok. It just stinks from a design standpoint.

100%. It wasn't cheap to build and there's nothing about it that is cheap from that perspective. It's just a terrible design. The same $ could have been spent to build a much more interesting and well designed stadium. But instead they went the generic route. Nothing about MetLife is interesting.

does anyone really care what the stadium looks like? I am there to watch the game. This isn't baseball where you take a leisurely stroll to let the kids get some hot dogs.

The Bay area built a damn near perfect baseball stadium, why couldn't they build a nice football stadium 40 MILES AWAY? They spent all the money on tech, which was mind blowingly short sighted.

LA has Chavez Raven outside the city, but a dump in Aneheim...

Citi Field is a pretty sweet stadium, so why is Giants Stadium design so poor, in a swamp? And Citi is ten times the stadium vs new Yankee stadium, but cost half the price...

I'm guessing Pittsburgh, as blue collar as it gets, and they've got perhaps the best stadium in all of sports, design wise.

In comment 16010213 Kanavis said:

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Price. They were caught between different visions from each team and tried to split the difference. End result... Generic Grey dump. I don't think that it was a lack of money or costs. What they built is built ok. It just stinks from a design standpoint.

This is exactly it IMO. MetLife was still very expensive to build. I'm by no means an expert in this area, but it is hard to believe they couldn't have made some bolder design choices that fit their budget. I honestly feel like I'm going to a massive doctors office with how sterile and grey it is.

In comment 16010296 fanoftheteam said:

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Is ugly as sin fwiw… stadium doesnt match the spirit of the franchise imo

I went there for a game last year and really loved it. Location was fantastic, concessions were good, sight lines were great. And I thought the whole death star thing was perfect for the Raiders.

How many people offering opinions on the economics and design are actually qualified to do so. Great sight lines, adequate bathrooms, ease of access (in and out) parking and roadways leading to the stadium are what matters to me. For all the love of Jerry’s world, try watching a game there from a level even with or above the scoreboard, talk to me about ease of access to the stadium, parking and the roadways surrounding the stadium. All of which suck.

after an event. You can sit in the parking lot for HOURS after a concert trying to get out.

In comment 16010406 Chris in Philly said:

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does anyone really care what the stadium looks like? I am there to watch the game. This isn't baseball where you take a leisurely stroll to let the kids get some hot dogs.

For me, I don't like the look of MetLife, but that is secondary to the logistics. The seats are much further away from the action, which is the biggest problem, especially when the only seats I have any hope of ever sitting in are the upper tier. I have sat in the very last row of Giants Stadium and had a better view of the game than when I was in the 10th row of the upper tier in MEtLife.

In comment 16010171 DJ5150 said:

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These states…. Their tax’s and forced union labor create double or triple construction costs…. It’s incredible that in California they built sofi but I believe it was 5-6 billion?

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In comment 16010645 Bernie said:

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How many people offering opinions on the economics and design are actually qualified to do so. Great sight lines, adequate bathrooms, ease of access (in and out) parking and roadways leading to the stadium are what matters to me. For all the love of Jerry’s world, try watching a game there from a level even with or above the scoreboard, talk to me about ease of access to the stadium, parking and the roadways surrounding the stadium. All of which suck.

Getting in and out of anywhere with 35,000 cars arriving and leaving at the same time is gonna suck. I don't think its that bad, but we have had years to practice. Before the club seats, I parked all the way out in lot P, which was a nice 20 minute constitutional there and back, but getting in and out of the lots was a piece of cake. Then there are the folks who get there early and leave late, tailgating the whole time. If I had that amount of time and the liver for it, I'd do that too. Especially for the densest state in the nation, I don't know what you'd expect.

50+ locations every year. NY, NJ, CT are by far the most difficult states to build in, and usually it's due to local policies and needed to get approval from not only the state, but also the city or town being built in. Often the increased costs come from changes that need to be made after original designs are selected. And the longer the project gets dragged out the more it costs. Lawyer fees get up there pretty quick as well.

That being said, Metlife just looks generic & boring which likely has to do with 2 teams playing there.

and they are MUCH closer than similar seats at the old Giants Stadium. Too many general statements and assumptions are made here. I understand the people sitting in the 300 level complaining about all the escalators as opposed to 1 in the old stadium and the fact that for some unknown reason they chose not to enclose the 300 level concourse but as far as sight lines, some of the 100 level and 200 level seats have much better sightlines than the old stadium.

As for aesthetics, it was intended to blend in with Bergen County nj office buildings and most everything else had to be relatively mundane like the seat colors because we share with the Jets.

I do not go to a stadium to see how beautiful it looks. I go to watch a goddamn football game. Does the stadium have shortcomings? Absolutely.

In comment 16010556 John In CO said:

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In comment 16010296 fanoftheteam said: Quote: Is ugly as sin fwiw… stadium doesnt match the spirit of the franchise imo I went there for a game last year and really loved it. Location was fantastic, concessions were good, sight lines were great. And I thought the whole death star thing was perfect for the Raiders.

we did a college game there its awesome stay at Mandalay bay and walk to stadium. It's great.

make too much money.

Try working in that industry for 20 years and tell me how the fuck you're going to make it to SSI retirement age.

Show me someone that moans about high construction worker wages and I'll show you a white-collar cunt that sits behind a desk all fucking day.

They could have made Metlife a hell of a lot better stadium without incurring massive additional costs. What you have is the choice they made.