This dovetails with other conversations about paying top dollar for Jones/Barkley etc.
This weekend's games sort of solidified a trend that scoring is going down.
-The NFL wants more points to make the game more exciting which leads to>
-Rigging the rules for more points and offense which leads to>
-Makes Quarterback market out of hand(Jones could fetch 35 mill a year>) which leads to>
-Teams making critical decisions to gut the team or pay one position the lion's share of the money(See Green Bay)
-Smarter teams trending towards more ROI in defense/traditionally cheaper positions(tight ends) regardless of the offense-leaning rules which leads to>
-Less points scored which leads to>
-Games which the NFL didn't want in the first place. SF/Dallas was considered "boring" game. Bengals/Bills game was low-powered but maybe thats the weather. Josh Allen's game was crappy and too wild to boot.
The NFL raised the cap to cushion the blow but I think the trend regardless will be to stack your defense which is cheaper and thats just blowback from stupid QB market.
Is Schoen going to see the trend or follow the old KC model and pay ridiculous money for 1-2 players when you need an entire safety,O-Line and WR corp?
Critics say games are "bad", but I would contend that action has reaction and defenses are just getting better(Eagles and Niners) and they are still cheaper. KC is the outlier and they are going to get crushed IMHO
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That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection.
Thank you, Your Honor.
Overruled.
Same here. Far too often I will see sports highlights and the talkies refer to a game as great simply because it was a high scoring affair. Close and entertaining game? Sure. Great? No. LAst night's Dallas SF game was great.
Is that defenses, or is that a scarcity of top players feeding in from the colleges?
An individual team could invest in defense and be better than the other teams as a result. Or a handful of teams could. A whole leauge can’t just suddenly “invest” in defense and change the dynamics of the game,
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An individual team could invest in defense and be better than the other teams as a result. Or a handful of teams could. A whole leauge can’t just suddenly “invest” in defense and change the dynamics of the game,
This is chaos theory in action. Things adapt and defenses have been starved for years chasing the next high flying offenses. The gameplay in NCAA has gone down considerably-degraded into street ball and all running QBs.
Running QBs have suppressed market for RBs.
I would see the reaction as:
-Better RB draft choices. Ball control and starvation of big offenses as cited above. More West Coast offense slice and dice and less jump contested plays. More under the Safeties and 10 yard chunk plays to move the ball in a controlled manner to eat clock and get what you want with less risk.
Like how NY beat BILLs. Big defense and long controlled campaigns.
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Yesterday's 49er game was awesome to see, if you tactical clock management and minimal risk football to win. Purdy, on on a few occasions, made deep ball throws and they were too high risk and got the Niners zilch
I didn't say that. I said the NFL wants more points and consumer NFL watchers want more points. They are trying to expand the market.
Many articles say the GAME PLAY has declined. The point of the post, if you read it, is to argue that big defenses are a blowback reaction to NFL's intention to make the sport into a big video game. They assume in KC scores 40 points that housewives are going to watch the fun.
This is a reason why baseball viewship has crashed. People's tastes(because of phone) and attention spans are too short to appreciate clock management and defenses strangling the offenses. I was texted by a consumer fan who said SF game was "boring" and sucked. I disagreed
Note the Bills have the "best QB" too and flopped. Allen is too "last year" and his out of control play with bad weather made the Bills a total flopout and the scoring was not very high considering the 2 teams
fix that NFL...
Remember those Rams? They struggled mightily against Tampa in the playoffs and then again in the SB. What gets underrated on that team is they also had a outstanding D and they sure needed it.
The league average was 43.8 per game, which is certainly off the league highs, but as recently as 2017 it was 43.4.
And then it jumped to the 3rd highest amount ever in 2018.
defenses take a while to catch up
then offenses change again
defense take a while to catch up
fix that NFL...
How? Many players are so skillful that it's difficult to determine when a pass interference foul has been committed.
defenses take a while to catch up
then offenses change again
defense take a while to catch up
I remember TC was asked about the Wildcat when Miami introduced that. His answer was along the lines of looking at trends over a 5 year period. Change is inevitable but it always seems to come back to most fundamentals of the game over time.
Scoring doesn’t equal excitement. Football is not sex.
Yeah, NFL fans suck if they think that was a boring game.
Unfortunately fantasy is all people talk about. One of my coworkers is an Eagles fan and he never talks about them ever, but his fantasy team failures we all have to hear about.
(I guess that's a good thing, but you hear what I'm saying)
Scoring doesn’t equal excitement. Football is not sex.
I absolutely agree. However, I have a suspicion that various problems within the NFL (referees for example) have turned off hardcore fans and resulted in only following “their” team rather than the NFL in general.
This hypothetical trend may just be me projecting. Some people will reference how Fantasy or Betting has them watching more games they don’t have intangible vested interest in, but I believe the NFL wants more scoring because that appeals to the general audience more than the slow-strategic type games.
Ultimately, what we love will eventually become the circus as do most good things.
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Offenses changes
defenses take a while to catch up
then offenses change again
defense take a while to catch up
I remember TC was asked about the Wildcat when Miami introduced that. His answer was along the lines of looking at trends over a 5 year period. Change is inevitable but it always seems to come back to most fundamentals of the game over time.
I do very much enjoy innovation in offense that incorporates the running game and 11 on 11 football. That I enjoy very much and have no issue with the league regulating rules to favor it, if need be.
What the Shanahans did with RG3 in 2012 was epic, and led to so much of what we see now with zone read, RPO, and Lamar playing 11 on 11 football.
Helping passing offenses artificially is not something I enjoy. Started with Polian going to the NFL about the Patriot DBs slowing down his Colts WRs, and been downward slope ever since.
Scoring doesn’t equal excitement. Football is not sex.
When Eli threw like 4 TDs. That was insane
46 MILL IS A LOT OF CHEDDAR!
Giants can parlay that kind of dough into an entire side of the football or it can pay Jones or Jones+Saquon.
Saquon is clearly low priority as he is negotiating hardball. OK, whatever. Schoen admitted that running back contracts don't usually pan out. RE: Elliot and Cowboys
defenses take a while to catch up
then offenses change again
defense take a while to catch up
46 MILL IS A LOT OF CHEDDAR!
Giants can parlay that kind of dough into an entire side of the football or it can pay Jones or Jones+Saquon.
Saquon is clearly low priority as he is negotiating hardball. OK, whatever. Schoen admitted that running back contracts don't usually pan out. RE: Elliot and Cowboys
46!? I had no idea and that’s insane. Kyler trucked that franchise, brinks trucked.
10000ft view…any QB contract is a poison pill or it’s not. If the guy is the one, you’re golden. Prescott is the perfect example of a JAG who’s team is deteriorating around him. It shows. I think the best play is franchise Jones. Even Daboll can’t bet that he’s going to ascend, let alone us as fans. Clearly, he did THIS season, but will it continue?
Ps I’m firmly DJFC, he was my pick in 2019.