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[Rumor] The #Giants are moving forward with Daniel Jones

CromartiesKid21 : 1/23/2023 6:05 pm
The relevant number and date: $31.7M and March 7.



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31.7 as in tag?  
Big Blue '56 : 1/23/2023 6:14 pm : link
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"It put Jones in a prove-it year"  
short lease : 1/23/2023 6:17 pm : link
I don't think his success this year had anything to do with it being a "prove it year".

It is just who he is ... he is a hard worker. Period.
You can tag 22 days before the new league year  
UConn4523 : 1/23/2023 6:17 pm : link
which puts them in February. Not sure what March 7th alludes to.
But if true it’s exciting stuff  
UConn4523 : 1/23/2023 6:18 pm : link
this is going to be such a fascinating off season
Isn't it simply the day before the Tag Deadline of March 8?  
chick310 : 1/23/2023 6:19 pm : link
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In the end  
sb2003 : 1/23/2023 6:20 pm : link
I think they'll work out a long term deal.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/23/2023 6:31 pm : link
I think Schoen & Jones' camp will get something done.
RE: In the end  
chick310 : 1/23/2023 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16010922 sb2003 said:
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I think they'll work out a long term deal.


In the end, I think they'll tag him.
I don't see the tag being used  
Bill in UT : 1/23/2023 7:35 pm : link
Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
This doesn’t sound like a tag to me  
BillT : 1/23/2023 7:43 pm : link
“We’re happy Daniel’s going to be here. We’re happy he’s going to be here. Hopefully we can get something done with his representatives. And that would be the goal – to build a team around him where he can lead us and win a Super Bowl.”

But what do I know.
I think  
Giantsfan79 : 1/23/2023 7:45 pm : link
they can work out a 3-4 year extension with Jones and then tag Barkley. Better to go year-to-year with a RB from an injury risk perspective & the RB tag number is far less than the QB tag number.
I thought Schoen and Daboll made their minds up when they got here....  
Walker Gillette : 1/23/2023 8:05 pm : link
that they didn't want him. They're going to be getting a lot of emails from Producer!
And I call BS on the $31.7m  
BillT : 1/23/2023 8:09 pm : link
It’s obvious from the press conference that they haven’t come to that kind of decision or that much specificity.
RE: I don't see the tag being used  
rasbutant : 1/23/2023 8:18 pm : link
In comment 16011012 Bill in UT said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per


I believe the Tag will be used, but eventually a deal will be reached. But I'm pretty confident that the Tag will be used as a negioating tactic until the deal is settled.
Can I ask a general question? Why believe anything they said this  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/23/2023 8:28 pm : link
Afternoon? Remember what Schoen said about Toney, where is he now?

And what sense does it make to tell the rest of the teams we’re in the market for a QB? The less they know about what we think we need the better.

People assume that because Schoen said he wants Jones back next year, he’s their guy. Could be, but nothing is set in stone.
RE: Can I ask a general question? Why believe anything they said this  
Mayo2JZ : 1/23/2023 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16011064 mikeinbloomfield said:
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Afternoon? Remember what Schoen said about Toney, where is he now?

And what sense does it make to tell the rest of the teams we’re in the market for a QB? The less they know about what we think we need the better.

People assume that because Schoen said he wants Jones back next year, he’s their guy. Could be, but nothing is set in stone.


THIS!^^^^^
That’s not moving forward.  
giantBCP : 1/23/2023 8:49 pm : link
That’s a standstill.
RE: I thought Schoen and Daboll made their minds up when they got here....  
Producer : 1/23/2023 8:51 pm : link
In comment 16011046 Walker Gillette said:
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that they didn't want him. They're going to be getting a lot of emails from Producer!


A tersely worded missive.
RE: I don't see the tag being used  
Producer : 1/23/2023 8:52 pm : link
In comment 16011012 Bill in UT said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per


Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
RE: RE: I don't see the tag being used  
giantBCP : 1/23/2023 8:54 pm : link
In comment 16011077 Producer said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per



Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?


If that’s what the market dictates.
RE: RE: RE: I don't see the tag being used  
Producer : 1/23/2023 9:01 pm : link
In comment 16011079 giantBCP said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per



Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?



If that’s what the market dictates.


What if the market isn't there?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't see the tag being used  
giantBCP : 1/23/2023 9:03 pm : link
In comment 16011086 Producer said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per



Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?



If that’s what the market dictates.



What if the market isn't there?


If we’re tagging him, as the OP states, then the market is certainly there. Maybe not $50m per, but it’s healthy enough to make you mad.
RE: RE: I don't see the tag being used  
GMen72 : 1/23/2023 9:16 pm : link
In comment 16011077 Producer said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per



Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?


Most on here would find this offer insulting to DJ. He's been through so much! We should just let DJ decide his own contract...how could the Giants ever replace 15 passing TDs in 16 games? It would be impossible!
RE: But if true it’s exciting stuff  
djm : 1/23/2023 9:25 pm : link
In comment 16010918 UConn4523 said:
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this is going to be such a fascinating off season


Truly is. Even if things go by rote with the vets looking for contracts, how they handle everything else is so curious to me.
RE: RE: I don't see the tag being used  
SomeFan : 1/23/2023 9:26 pm : link
In comment 16011077 Producer said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per



Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
Some of these numbers are insane and we'll be discussing that DJ needs a better team around him for the next 3-5 years.
RE: RE: RE: I don't see the tag being used  
djm : 1/23/2023 9:27 pm : link
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per



Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?



Most on here would find this offer insulting to DJ. He's been through so much! We should just let DJ decide his own contract...how could the Giants ever replace 15 passing TDs in 16 games? It would be impossible!


Exaggerating again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't see the tag being used  
uconngiant : 1/23/2023 10:38 pm : link
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per



Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?



Most on here would find this offer insulting to DJ. He's been through so much! We should just let DJ decide his own contract...how could the Giants ever replace 15 passing TDs in 16 games? It would be impossible!



Exaggerating again.



Ignore him as he is nothing more than a shit stirrer
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't see the tag being used  
Scuzzlebutt : 1/23/2023 11:20 pm : link
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per



Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?



If that’s what the market dictates.



What if the market isn't there?


We know you think he sucks and will never change your mind, but there are a good number of teams that would be in the market for DJ. The team we share a stadium with would be just one.
Paying jones a long term rate  
hitdog42 : 1/24/2023 6:37 am : link
Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.

RE: Paying jones a long term rate  
Big Blue '56 : 1/24/2023 7:59 am : link
In comment 16011308 hitdog42 said:
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Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.


Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..

He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.
RE: RE: Paying jones a long term rate  
Producer : 1/24/2023 8:03 am : link
In comment 16011361 Big Blue '56 said:
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Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.




Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..

He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.


I think both sides have a fair argument. He hasn't produced big numbers, and it can't only be because of context or scheme. At the same time, he had some big games down the stretch and has raised his overall play somewhat, so there is logic that his best days may yet come. I agree with the overall premise that we shouldn't break the bank for a player in this position. I'd like a better sense of what the market thinks of him. I'm n ot certain it is as strong a market as many here think.
Schoen's words yesterday  
bigbluehoya : 1/24/2023 8:12 am : link
As far as "we're glad he's going to be here" are just the opening salvo and public reminder of who really holds the cards.

i.e. I've got a tag and I won't hesitate to use it. If you want term, come to the table with reason.

I don't read much more into it than that. Logical/subtle first move.
RE: Schoen's words yesterday  
Big Blue '56 : 1/24/2023 8:13 am : link
In comment 16011383 bigbluehoya said:
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As far as "we're glad he's going to be here" are just the opening salvo and public reminder of who really holds the cards.

i.e. I've got a tag and I won't hesitate to use it. If you want term, come to the table with reason.

I don't read much more into it than that. Logical/subtle first move.

Spot on
RE: RE: Paying jones a long term rate  
hitdog42 : 1/24/2023 8:28 am : link
In comment 16011361 Big Blue '56 said:
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Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.




Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..

He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.


no i did not watch him play. did you read my post? part of it is saying him doing well is reliant on being a running threat. he has had 1 durable year--- meaning hes a tall lean guy- which when thinking long term and if you see him able to handle a 17 game load not getting hurt running as physically as he did against the vikings which is what opened up the passing game ... that is a tough judgement to make. the post is saying there is nothing lost in tagging him. pay him whatever you want to for a year--- to see that with more pieces in place we are on track to beat the division teams... not just taking his best 4 games and saying ok pay him whatver number we must keep him... and then at the same time looking at Dak and laughing.... which is what many do. some people require more to invest the franchise over 5yrs.
RE: RE: RE: Paying jones a long term rate  
Big Blue '56 : 1/24/2023 8:35 am : link
In comment 16011405 hitdog42 said:
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Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.




Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..

He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.



no i did not watch him play. did you read my post? part of it is saying him doing well is reliant on being a running threat. he has had 1 durable year--- meaning hes a tall lean guy- which when thinking long term and if you see him able to handle a 17 game load not getting hurt running as physically as he did against the vikings which is what opened up the passing game ... that is a tough judgement to make. the post is saying there is nothing lost in tagging him. pay him whatever you want to for a year--- to see that with more pieces in place we are on track to beat the division teams... not just taking his best 4 games and saying ok pay him whatver number we must keep him... and then at the same time looking at Dak and laughing.... which is what many do. some people require more to invest the franchise over 5yrs.


ok, that’s fair. I would NEVER pay him or any QB big contracts based on a four game stretch..And sure, tag him if necessary, but I hope we don’t have to given how much a tag eats into the cap. We need the space to fix other stuff obviously..

QB contracts are ABSURD, even in today’s NFL, but that’s reality..He’s getting 35-40 per year, imo, because they don’t pay anything less for a good QB..I would love “amortization” years, but I don’t know what Schoen and DJ’s agent will come to terms with pertaining to years and guarantees..
RE: RE: RE: Paying jones a long term rate  
section125 : 1/24/2023 8:40 am : link
In comment 16011405 hitdog42
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no i did not watch him play. did you read my post? part of it is saying him doing well is reliant on being a running threat. he has had 1 durable year--- meaning hes a tall lean guy- which when thinking long term and if you see him able to handle a 17 game load not getting hurt running as physically as he did against the vikings which is what opened up the passing game ... that is a tough judgement to make. the post is saying there is nothing lost in tagging him. pay him whatever you want to for a year--- to see that with more pieces in place we are on track to beat the division teams... not just taking his best 4 games and saying ok pay him whatver number we must keep him... and then at the same time looking at Dak and laughing.... which is what many do. some people require more to invest the franchise over 5yrs.


I do not think this is unreasonable. As someone that has been on and off the Jones train a couple times, I too would like to see him with better players around him and over a full year. I would like to see him stay at near the level of play in the last 4 games(sans Philly). If he can be that guy, then pay him on a long term deal.
Right now I think he is that guy, then Philly happened. I think the coaching/game plan was worse than he was in that game, BTW, both offense and defense.

Will be interesting to see what Sy says Thursday in his Jones thread.
just because top QBs strike big deals  
Producer : 1/24/2023 8:54 am : link
and because a few mid range QBs have cashed in as well.

Doesn't mean we have to bite and pay Jones a big deal he hasn't earned. No way I pay this guy over $25M for 2-3 years tops. If it takes more, let him go.
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