“We’re happy Daniel’s going to be here. We’re happy he’s going to be here. Hopefully we can get something done with his representatives. And that would be the goal – to build a team around him where he can lead us and win a Super Bowl.”
they can work out a 3-4 year extension with Jones and then tag Barkley. Better to go year-to-year with a RB from an injury risk perspective & the RB tag number is far less than the QB tag number.
I thought Schoen and Daboll made their minds up when they got here....
Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
I believe the Tag will be used, but eventually a deal will be reached. But I'm pretty confident that the Tag will be used as a negioating tactic until the deal is settled.
Can I ask a general question? Why believe anything they said this
Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
Most on here would find this offer insulting to DJ. He's been through so much! We should just let DJ decide his own contract...how could the Giants ever replace 15 passing TDs in 16 games? It would be impossible!
Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
Most on here would find this offer insulting to DJ. He's been through so much! We should just let DJ decide his own contract...how could the Giants ever replace 15 passing TDs in 16 games? It would be impossible!
Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
Most on here would find this offer insulting to DJ. He's been through so much! We should just let DJ decide his own contract...how could the Giants ever replace 15 passing TDs in 16 games? It would be impossible!
Exaggerating again.
Ignore him as he is nothing more than a shit stirrer
Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
If that’s what the market dictates.
What if the market isn't there?
We know you think he sucks and will never change your mind, but there are a good number of teams that would be in the market for DJ. The team we share a stadium with would be just one.
Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..
He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.
Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..
He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.
I think both sides have a fair argument. He hasn't produced big numbers, and it can't only be because of context or scheme. At the same time, he had some big games down the stretch and has raised his overall play somewhat, so there is logic that his best days may yet come. I agree with the overall premise that we shouldn't break the bank for a player in this position. I'd like a better sense of what the market thinks of him. I'm n ot certain it is as strong a market as many here think.
Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..
He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.
no i did not watch him play. did you read my post? part of it is saying him doing well is reliant on being a running threat. he has had 1 durable year--- meaning hes a tall lean guy- which when thinking long term and if you see him able to handle a 17 game load not getting hurt running as physically as he did against the vikings which is what opened up the passing game ... that is a tough judgement to make. the post is saying there is nothing lost in tagging him. pay him whatever you want to for a year--- to see that with more pieces in place we are on track to beat the division teams... not just taking his best 4 games and saying ok pay him whatver number we must keep him... and then at the same time looking at Dak and laughing.... which is what many do. some people require more to invest the franchise over 5yrs.
Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..
He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.
no i did not watch him play. did you read my post? part of it is saying him doing well is reliant on being a running threat. he has had 1 durable year--- meaning hes a tall lean guy- which when thinking long term and if you see him able to handle a 17 game load not getting hurt running as physically as he did against the vikings which is what opened up the passing game ... that is a tough judgement to make. the post is saying there is nothing lost in tagging him. pay him whatever you want to for a year--- to see that with more pieces in place we are on track to beat the division teams... not just taking his best 4 games and saying ok pay him whatver number we must keep him... and then at the same time looking at Dak and laughing.... which is what many do. some people require more to invest the franchise over 5yrs.
ok, that’s fair. I would NEVER pay him or any QB big contracts based on a four game stretch..And sure, tag him if necessary, but I hope we don’t have to given how much a tag eats into the cap. We need the space to fix other stuff obviously..
QB contracts are ABSURD, even in today’s NFL, but that’s reality..He’s getting 35-40 per year, imo, because they don’t pay anything less for a good QB..I would love “amortization” years, but I don’t know what Schoen and DJ’s agent will come to terms with pertaining to years and guarantees..
no i did not watch him play. did you read my post? part of it is saying him doing well is reliant on being a running threat. he has had 1 durable year--- meaning hes a tall lean guy- which when thinking long term and if you see him able to handle a 17 game load not getting hurt running as physically as he did against the vikings which is what opened up the passing game ... that is a tough judgement to make. the post is saying there is nothing lost in tagging him. pay him whatever you want to for a year--- to see that with more pieces in place we are on track to beat the division teams... not just taking his best 4 games and saying ok pay him whatver number we must keep him... and then at the same time looking at Dak and laughing.... which is what many do. some people require more to invest the franchise over 5yrs.
I do not think this is unreasonable. As someone that has been on and off the Jones train a couple times, I too would like to see him with better players around him and over a full year. I would like to see him stay at near the level of play in the last 4 games(sans Philly). If he can be that guy, then pay him on a long term deal.
Right now I think he is that guy, then Philly happened. I think the coaching/game plan was worse than he was in that game, BTW, both offense and defense.
Will be interesting to see what Sy says Thursday in his Jones thread.
and because a few mid range QBs have cashed in as well.
Doesn't mean we have to bite and pay Jones a big deal he hasn't earned. No way I pay this guy over $25M for 2-3 years tops. If it takes more, let him go.
It is just who he is ... he is a hard worker. Period.
In the end, I think they'll tag him.
But what do I know.
I believe the Tag will be used, but eventually a deal will be reached. But I'm pretty confident that the Tag will be used as a negioating tactic until the deal is settled.
And what sense does it make to tell the rest of the teams we’re in the market for a QB? The less they know about what we think we need the better.
People assume that because Schoen said he wants Jones back next year, he’s their guy. Could be, but nothing is set in stone.
And what sense does it make to tell the rest of the teams we’re in the market for a QB? The less they know about what we think we need the better.
People assume that because Schoen said he wants Jones back next year, he’s their guy. Could be, but nothing is set in stone.
THIS!^^^^^
A tersely worded missive.
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
If that’s what the market dictates.
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
If that’s what the market dictates.
What if the market isn't there?
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In comment 16011012 Bill in UT said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
If that’s what the market dictates.
What if the market isn't there?
If we’re tagging him, as the OP states, then the market is certainly there. Maybe not $50m per, but it’s healthy enough to make you mad.
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
Most on here would find this offer insulting to DJ. He's been through so much! We should just let DJ decide his own contract...how could the Giants ever replace 15 passing TDs in 16 games? It would be impossible!
Truly is. Even if things go by rote with the vets looking for contracts, how they handle everything else is so curious to me.
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
Most on here would find this offer insulting to DJ. He's been through so much! We should just let DJ decide his own contract...how could the Giants ever replace 15 passing TDs in 16 games? It would be impossible!
Exaggerating again.
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In comment 16011077 Producer said:
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In comment 16011012 Bill in UT said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
Most on here would find this offer insulting to DJ. He's been through so much! We should just let DJ decide his own contract...how could the Giants ever replace 15 passing TDs in 16 games? It would be impossible!
Exaggerating again.
Ignore him as he is nothing more than a shit stirrer
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In comment 16011077 Producer said:
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In comment 16011012 Bill in UT said:
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Neither party has that as their first choice. They're going to work out a 3-5 year deal, $35-40M per
Who not 8 years? $45-50M per. Where's the faith? Where's the loyalty?
If that’s what the market dictates.
What if the market isn't there?
We know you think he sucks and will never change your mind, but there are a good number of teams that would be in the market for DJ. The team we share a stadium with would be just one.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..
He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.
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Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..
He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.
I think both sides have a fair argument. He hasn't produced big numbers, and it can't only be because of context or scheme. At the same time, he had some big games down the stretch and has raised his overall play somewhat, so there is logic that his best days may yet come. I agree with the overall premise that we shouldn't break the bank for a player in this position. I'd like a better sense of what the market thinks of him. I'm n ot certain it is as strong a market as many here think.
i.e. I've got a tag and I won't hesitate to use it. If you want term, come to the table with reason.
I don't read much more into it than that. Logical/subtle first move.
i.e. I've got a tag and I won't hesitate to use it. If you want term, come to the table with reason.
I don't read much more into it than that. Logical/subtle first move.
Spot on
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Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..
He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.
no i did not watch him play. did you read my post? part of it is saying him doing well is reliant on being a running threat. he has had 1 durable year--- meaning hes a tall lean guy- which when thinking long term and if you see him able to handle a 17 game load not getting hurt running as physically as he did against the vikings which is what opened up the passing game ... that is a tough judgement to make. the post is saying there is nothing lost in tagging him. pay him whatever you want to for a year--- to see that with more pieces in place we are on track to beat the division teams... not just taking his best 4 games and saying ok pay him whatver number we must keep him... and then at the same time looking at Dak and laughing.... which is what many do. some people require more to invest the franchise over 5yrs.
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Based off of his best 4 games- is what puts a team in a bad spot.
The team was 1-5-1 against the division.
Tag him- improve the supporting cast- and make a better assessment on what the potential upside of the offense is with him. If you are willing to pay the guy 35-40 for this season? Then there is no downside in tagging him. If he plays well then what? He gets paid a few bucks more with more certainty this is a 7-8yr investment. His success is based on his ability to run. Locking in 100 guaranteed for one healthy season as a tall lean dual threat? Also not a great idea when the upside of the player is unclear
This is not a jones sucks post. I like what he did this year but I also realize the giants schemes brilliantly and we couldn’t do sh@t in division.
Did you actually watch him play? Did you take in the viable double-threat he presented this year? What ever limitations were evident, were the product of the playcalls and designs. Picking apart a bunch of games against a bunch of opponents can be done for most other good QBs..
He’s a good QB. Not great. Not elite. May never be. Certainly more than enough to keep us very competitive with obligatory fixes on both sides of the ball.
no i did not watch him play. did you read my post? part of it is saying him doing well is reliant on being a running threat. he has had 1 durable year--- meaning hes a tall lean guy- which when thinking long term and if you see him able to handle a 17 game load not getting hurt running as physically as he did against the vikings which is what opened up the passing game ... that is a tough judgement to make. the post is saying there is nothing lost in tagging him. pay him whatever you want to for a year--- to see that with more pieces in place we are on track to beat the division teams... not just taking his best 4 games and saying ok pay him whatver number we must keep him... and then at the same time looking at Dak and laughing.... which is what many do. some people require more to invest the franchise over 5yrs.
ok, that’s fair. I would NEVER pay him or any QB big contracts based on a four game stretch..And sure, tag him if necessary, but I hope we don’t have to given how much a tag eats into the cap. We need the space to fix other stuff obviously..
QB contracts are ABSURD, even in today’s NFL, but that’s reality..He’s getting 35-40 per year, imo, because they don’t pay anything less for a good QB..I would love “amortization” years, but I don’t know what Schoen and DJ’s agent will come to terms with pertaining to years and guarantees..
no i did not watch him play. did you read my post? part of it is saying him doing well is reliant on being a running threat. he has had 1 durable year--- meaning hes a tall lean guy- which when thinking long term and if you see him able to handle a 17 game load not getting hurt running as physically as he did against the vikings which is what opened up the passing game ... that is a tough judgement to make. the post is saying there is nothing lost in tagging him. pay him whatever you want to for a year--- to see that with more pieces in place we are on track to beat the division teams... not just taking his best 4 games and saying ok pay him whatver number we must keep him... and then at the same time looking at Dak and laughing.... which is what many do. some people require more to invest the franchise over 5yrs.
I do not think this is unreasonable. As someone that has been on and off the Jones train a couple times, I too would like to see him with better players around him and over a full year. I would like to see him stay at near the level of play in the last 4 games(sans Philly). If he can be that guy, then pay him on a long term deal.
Right now I think he is that guy, then Philly happened. I think the coaching/game plan was worse than he was in that game, BTW, both offense and defense.
Will be interesting to see what Sy says Thursday in his Jones thread.
Doesn't mean we have to bite and pay Jones a big deal he hasn't earned. No way I pay this guy over $25M for 2-3 years tops. If it takes more, let him go.