The Giants aren't letting Jones go, at least not next season. That was pretty clear from Schoen's presser today. They probably don't want to tag him but they might anyway.
And play tyrod Taylor til he’s ready. I’m under the opinion that kaftka (if he stays) and daboll can coach him up like they have with other quarterbacks. I also believe that if we lose Jones we will get at least a #1 back, prob 2 and we can use that pick to take Richardson since I don’t believe he will be there for the giants pick.
The Giants aren't letting Jones go, at least not next season. That was pretty clear from Schoen's presser today. They probably don't want to tag him but they might anyway.
I think they do expect to just tag him and that's what was pretty clear from the Schoen/Daboll presser today.
They didn't oversell/undersell his contributions early on the call, they said they are moving towards discussions soon and slipped a bit that they expect him to be on team next year (but silent as to longer term).
Could have missed wording as I was working and listening at same time but that was my takeaway. Which I conclude as tag.
If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.
so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?
If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.
so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?
done. Tagging him would be the worst possible choice. It would mean they are moving forward with a QB who they can’t meet eye to eye on as to his value, which would mean he’s an expensive stop gap. That will SEVERELY hamper the rebuild.
t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.
There is no shot Joe Schoen risks his first and potentially only run as a GM with a 6th or 7th round QB. You'll see Jimmy G or a Mariotta reclamation project before that happens.
If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.
so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?
done. Tagging him would be the worst possible choice. It would mean they are moving forward with a QB who they can’t meet eye to eye on as to his value, which would mean he’s an expensive stop gap. That will SEVERELY hamper the rebuild.
Do you pay him QB1 money? If I was DJ's agent I would be playing hardball, no question about it. Especially after Giants skipped out on his 5th year option. He won a playoff game in convincing fashion. I would be looking for a Kirk Cousins / Dak deal - 3 or 4 years fully guaranteed, take it or leave it.
RE: RE: Guys, there is no way that Jones does not play
Do you pay him QB1 money? If I was DJ's agent I would be playing hardball, no question about it. Especially after Giants skipped out on his 5th year option. He won a playoff game in convincing fashion. I would be looking for a Kirk Cousins / Dak deal - 3 or 4 years fully guaranteed, take it or leave it.
If he wants to play hardball then he can look elsewhere. He threw 15 touchdowns. Now, that number can go up but it’s hard for Team Jones to take that approach with that little passing production.
t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.
You mean the guy who passed on Purdy at least six times? And the guy who passed on Brady five times? Neither was drafted with the expectation they would ever start.
t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.
You mean the guy who passed on Purdy at least six times? And the guy who passed on Brady five times? Neither was drafted with the expectation they would ever start.
come on, how can you dismiss odds like twice in 22 years? if they commit to the strategy then they have a 1 in 32 chance of finding the next brock purdy at some point in the next 11 years.
If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.
so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?
Given that that is the best alternative: I would like to keep Jones. But if Jones isn't interested in staying long-term and communicates as much, franchise him, trade him, and that's my preference as backup plan. It's a reasonable way to spread your money around: reclamation project, decent bridge starter, and project.
Help is coming via the draft. 5 interceptions all year with what they trotted out there is a remarkable achievement. Dual threat qb. The arrow is pointing upwards. He threw an absolute dime to Slayton in the corner of the end zone against Minnesota after the Hodgins catch. I think Jones takes another jump forward next year.
I can’t give Jones $40M when these are his passing TD numbers:
I think Jones should be back, and he’s a good player but no on $40M per year. I’d rather franchise him then and challenge him to make the jump Hurts made from 2021 to 2022. Hurts threw for 16 TD’s in 2021.
Help is coming via the draft. 5 interceptions all year with what they trotted out there is a remarkable achievement. Dual threat qb. The arrow is pointing upwards. He threw an absolute dime to Slayton in the corner of the end zone against Minnesota after the Hodgins catch. I think Jones takes another jump forward next year.
I do have concerns about how he performs when the game speed goes up. Philly plays at another speed. I look forward to asking Sy about this in his game review.
Agreed, but then we are back to the original question. The thought of QB purgatory (see the Jets, Panthers Commanders, etc) scares me.You know your cost for Jones and what you have in him. Don't need to give up crucial picks to move up, especially when we need so much more than a QB. Hoping that a Hendon Hooker in the 3rd can become our Purdy is really rolling the dice. Hell a 1st round pick is rolling the dice. I loved the other thread where someone said let DJ walk and wait for this years Heisman winner in 2024. That sounds like a super plan.......
Agreed, but then we are back to the original question. The thought of QB purgatory (see the Jets, Panthers Commanders, etc) scares me.You know your cost for Jones and what you have in him. Don't need to give up crucial picks to move up, especially when we need so much more than a QB. Hoping that a Hendon Hooker in the 3rd can become our Purdy is really rolling the dice. Hell a 1st round pick is rolling the dice. I loved the other thread where someone said let DJ walk and wait for this years Heisman winner in 2024. That sounds like a super plan.......
Franchise him.
RE: RE: Jones is going to continue to prove the doubters wrong
Help is coming via the draft. 5 interceptions all year with what they trotted out there is a remarkable achievement. Dual threat qb. The arrow is pointing upwards. He threw an absolute dime to Slayton in the corner of the end zone against Minnesota after the Hodgins catch. I think Jones takes another jump forward next year.
I do have concerns about how he performs when the game speed goes up. Philly plays at another speed. I look forward to asking Sy about this in his game review.
Philly was a buzzsaw. They are loaded. The NYG have guys mainly off the streets and practice squads as our WRs. When they get him the WRs and the pass pro continues to improve he'll be right there after the top 5-6 QBs in the NFL. You can win a SuperBowl with DJ. Just got to put better talent around him.
If it’s not the Giants then it will be someone else. What’s market value. Don’t know for sure but I think it’s somewhere near $40m AAV. I don’t think a tag makes sense unless it’s temporary to get a deal done. After declining his option they now tag him. Not a good look and just delays the inevitable. Also not good look for the FO and whatever plan they may have. Reeks of “caught off guard”. Fish or cut bait.
If it’s not the Giants then it will be someone else. What’s market value. Don’t know for sure but I think it’s somewhere near $40m AAV. I don’t think a tag makes sense unless it’s temporary to get a deal done. After declining his option they now tag him. Not a good look and just delays the inevitable. Also not good look for the FO and whatever plan they may have. Reeks of “caught off guard”. Fish or cut bait.
I said this exact thing in a similar thread and got lambasted but it's 100% accurate. Joe Schoen didn't decline a very cost effective option year (was only $22m as I recall) to turn around and use a 2x excluse franchise tag. Bad business and, as you said, a bad look because it signals the 2 sides are not eye to eye.
Front office was obviously pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the season but now they have a QB who won a playoff game. There are a lot of QBs who have never done that. Jones cemented himself in the top 10 pay scale because of that playoff win. He will get somewhere in the $35m - $40m AAV just depends on length. If I was his agent I would take nothing less than market. No home town discounts for a team that didn't even believe in my guy enough to pick up the option year.
Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.
Well, I think with there being 8-10 teams desperate for a starting QB someone will pay top dollar. Plenty of examples
- Kyler Murray: 0-1 in the playoffs, $46m AAV
- Derek Carr: 0-1 in the playoffs, $40.5m AAV
- Kirk Cousins: 1-3 in the playoffs, $35 AAV
- Carson Wentz: 0-1 in the playoffs as a starter, $32m AAV
And Webb then draft a developmental guy. Get the cap fully in control and build the roster until you find the guy.
I’d rather that than overpay for someone who isn’t the guy. We are paying Taylor a lot to be a backup. I think that was a mistake by Schoen and Taylor seems to be injured easy.
In any event I think it would be a mistake to move on from Jones since there really are no options. I would still draft a QB to develop. Moving on from Jones sends a bad message to the team. Plus if you move on and don’t make the playoffs you may lose some credibility especially if Jones goes to another team and excels with better talent.
Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.
Let's say we let Team Jones to hit the open market to see what type of demand they can generate. If they get a great deal - say AAV $40+, $100+ guaranteed, etc - is it that big of a setback if they sign and leave?
Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.
Let's say we let Team Jones to hit the open market to see what type of demand they can generate. If they get a great deal - say AAV $40+, $100+ guaranteed, etc - is it that big of a setback if they sign and leave?
is this a real question?
not only would they be giving up at least 1 top 50 pick for nothing but they'd have no qb and no high draft pick to get one. tyrod is barely durable enough to be a back up. in the limited action he saw this year he got carted off once and knocked out once.
Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.
Well, I think with there being 8-10 teams desperate for a starting QB someone will pay top dollar. Plenty of examples
- Kyler Murray: 0-1 in the playoffs, $46m AAV
- Derek Carr: 0-1 in the playoffs, $40.5m AAV
- Kirk Cousins: 1-3 in the playoffs, $35 AAV
- Carson Wentz: 0-1 in the playoffs as a starter, $32m AAV
Why didn’t Trubisky have a market then beyond getting back up money? And he drove right down the field in a playoff game against Philly and had the Bears in FG range. The kicker didn’t execute.
I have heard some observers say the market for Jones is overrated
“We’re happy Daniel’s going to be here. We’re happy he’s going to be here. Hopefully we can get something done with his representatives. And that would be the goal – to build a team around him where he can lead us and win a Super Bowl.”
Now, to me that doesn’t sound like GM hyperbole and you can’t build around a player on a tag. But hey, maybe that’s just me.
I think they do expect to just tag him and that's what was pretty clear from the Schoen/Daboll presser today.
They didn't oversell/undersell his contributions early on the call, they said they are moving towards discussions soon and slipped a bit that they expect him to be on team next year (but silent as to longer term).
Could have missed wording as I was working and listening at same time but that was my takeaway. Which I conclude as tag.
so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?
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If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.
so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?
Not to mention the 3rd-round rookie tore his ACL.
After today's press conference though I would anticipate them getting to some kind of agreement with DJ.
t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.
t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.
There is no shot Joe Schoen risks his first and potentially only run as a GM with a 6th or 7th round QB. You'll see Jimmy G or a Mariotta reclamation project before that happens.
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If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.
so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?
Not to mention the 3rd-round rookie tore his ACL.
how will it severely hamper the rebuild?
Do you pay him QB1 money? If I was DJ's agent I would be playing hardball, no question about it. Especially after Giants skipped out on his 5th year option. He won a playoff game in convincing fashion. I would be looking for a Kirk Cousins / Dak deal - 3 or 4 years fully guaranteed, take it or leave it.
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Do you pay him QB1 money? If I was DJ's agent I would be playing hardball, no question about it. Especially after Giants skipped out on his 5th year option. He won a playoff game in convincing fashion. I would be looking for a Kirk Cousins / Dak deal - 3 or 4 years fully guaranteed, take it or leave it.
If he wants to play hardball then he can look elsewhere. He threw 15 touchdowns. Now, that number can go up but it’s hard for Team Jones to take that approach with that little passing production.
$40m AAV is like 8th or 9th now before some big extensions. It’s the norm.
t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.
You mean the guy who passed on Purdy at least six times? And the guy who passed on Brady five times? Neither was drafted with the expectation they would ever start.
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t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.
You mean the guy who passed on Purdy at least six times? And the guy who passed on Brady five times? Neither was drafted with the expectation they would ever start.
come on, how can you dismiss odds like twice in 22 years? if they commit to the strategy then they have a 1 in 32 chance of finding the next brock purdy at some point in the next 11 years.
who said they have to?
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If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.
so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?
Given that that is the best alternative: I would like to keep Jones. But if Jones isn't interested in staying long-term and communicates as much, franchise him, trade him, and that's my preference as backup plan. It's a reasonable way to spread your money around: reclamation project, decent bridge starter, and project.
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who said they have to?
Carl above called it the norm.
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who said they have to?
Carl above called it the norm.
he's right - that doesn't mean they have to pay jones $40m right now, though i think it's possible they do.
2021: 9
2020: 11
2019: 24
I think Jones should be back, and he’s a good player but no on $40M per year. I’d rather franchise him then and challenge him to make the jump Hurts made from 2021 to 2022. Hurts threw for 16 TD’s in 2021.
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I do have concerns about how he performs when the game speed goes up. Philly plays at another speed. I look forward to asking Sy about this in his game review.
Agreed, but then we are back to the original question. The thought of QB purgatory (see the Jets, Panthers Commanders, etc) scares me.You know your cost for Jones and what you have in him. Don't need to give up crucial picks to move up, especially when we need so much more than a QB. Hoping that a Hendon Hooker in the 3rd can become our Purdy is really rolling the dice. Hell a 1st round pick is rolling the dice. I loved the other thread where someone said let DJ walk and wait for this years Heisman winner in 2024. That sounds like a super plan.......
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Jones getting $40 million a season? Fuck that!
Agreed, but then we are back to the original question. The thought of QB purgatory (see the Jets, Panthers Commanders, etc) scares me.You know your cost for Jones and what you have in him. Don't need to give up crucial picks to move up, especially when we need so much more than a QB. Hoping that a Hendon Hooker in the 3rd can become our Purdy is really rolling the dice. Hell a 1st round pick is rolling the dice. I loved the other thread where someone said let DJ walk and wait for this years Heisman winner in 2024. That sounds like a super plan.......
Franchise him.
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Help is coming via the draft. 5 interceptions all year with what they trotted out there is a remarkable achievement. Dual threat qb. The arrow is pointing upwards. He threw an absolute dime to Slayton in the corner of the end zone against Minnesota after the Hodgins catch. I think Jones takes another jump forward next year.
I do have concerns about how he performs when the game speed goes up. Philly plays at another speed. I look forward to asking Sy about this in his game review.
Philly was a buzzsaw. They are loaded. The NYG have guys mainly off the streets and practice squads as our WRs. When they get him the WRs and the pass pro continues to improve he'll be right there after the top 5-6 QBs in the NFL. You can win a SuperBowl with DJ. Just got to put better talent around him.
He's not Burrow.
He's not Burrow.
Burrow will get $50m at least.
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I thought DJ had a good season. But the idea of shelling out $40 million to him? GTFO.
He's not Burrow.
Burrow will get $50m at least.
How has Dak getting $40M worked out? And he’s thrown over 30 TD’s in a season.
I said this exact thing in a similar thread and got lambasted but it's 100% accurate. Joe Schoen didn't decline a very cost effective option year (was only $22m as I recall) to turn around and use a 2x excluse franchise tag. Bad business and, as you said, a bad look because it signals the 2 sides are not eye to eye.
Front office was obviously pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the season but now they have a QB who won a playoff game. There are a lot of QBs who have never done that. Jones cemented himself in the top 10 pay scale because of that playoff win. He will get somewhere in the $35m - $40m AAV just depends on length. If I was his agent I would take nothing less than market. No home town discounts for a team that didn't even believe in my guy enough to pick up the option year.
Well, I think with there being 8-10 teams desperate for a starting QB someone will pay top dollar. Plenty of examples
- Kyler Murray: 0-1 in the playoffs, $46m AAV
- Derek Carr: 0-1 in the playoffs, $40.5m AAV
- Kirk Cousins: 1-3 in the playoffs, $35 AAV
- Carson Wentz: 0-1 in the playoffs as a starter, $32m AAV
I’d rather that than overpay for someone who isn’t the guy. We are paying Taylor a lot to be a backup. I think that was a mistake by Schoen and Taylor seems to be injured easy.
In any event I think it would be a mistake to move on from Jones since there really are no options. I would still draft a QB to develop. Moving on from Jones sends a bad message to the team. Plus if you move on and don’t make the playoffs you may lose some credibility especially if Jones goes to another team and excels with better talent.
Let's say we let Team Jones to hit the open market to see what type of demand they can generate. If they get a great deal - say AAV $40+, $100+ guaranteed, etc - is it that big of a setback if they sign and leave?
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Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.
Let's say we let Team Jones to hit the open market to see what type of demand they can generate. If they get a great deal - say AAV $40+, $100+ guaranteed, etc - is it that big of a setback if they sign and leave?
is this a real question?
not only would they be giving up at least 1 top 50 pick for nothing but they'd have no qb and no high draft pick to get one. tyrod is barely durable enough to be a back up. in the limited action he saw this year he got carted off once and knocked out once.
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Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.
Well, I think with there being 8-10 teams desperate for a starting QB someone will pay top dollar. Plenty of examples
- Kyler Murray: 0-1 in the playoffs, $46m AAV
- Derek Carr: 0-1 in the playoffs, $40.5m AAV
- Kirk Cousins: 1-3 in the playoffs, $35 AAV
- Carson Wentz: 0-1 in the playoffs as a starter, $32m AAV
Why didn’t Trubisky have a market then beyond getting back up money? And he drove right down the field in a playoff game against Philly and had the Bears in FG range. The kicker didn’t execute.
I'm not saying they are right or wrong. But I think it is still a question and many here seem to assume Jones gets $40M in the open market.
Maybe not.
Now, to me that doesn’t sound like GM hyperbole and you can’t build around a player on a tag. But hey, maybe that’s just me.