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If not DJ then who?

Damfino : 1/23/2023 6:40 pm
Draft, free agency or trade?
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My preference?  
RHPeel : 1/23/2023 6:41 pm : link
If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.
Perfectly fair topic, but it's gonna be DJ.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/23/2023 6:44 pm : link
The Giants aren't letting Jones go, at least not next season. That was pretty clear from Schoen's presser today. They probably don't want to tag him but they might anyway.
Draft Anthony Richardson  
BigBlueDawg56 : 1/23/2023 6:47 pm : link
And play tyrod Taylor til he’s ready. I’m under the opinion that kaftka (if he stays) and daboll can coach him up like they have with other quarterbacks. I also believe that if we lose Jones we will get at least a #1 back, prob 2 and we can use that pick to take Richardson since I don’t believe he will be there for the giants pick.
RE: Perfectly fair topic, but it's gonna be DJ.  
chick310 : 1/23/2023 6:49 pm : link
In comment 16010948 81_Great_Dane said:
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The Giants aren't letting Jones go, at least not next season. That was pretty clear from Schoen's presser today. They probably don't want to tag him but they might anyway.


I think they do expect to just tag him and that's what was pretty clear from the Schoen/Daboll presser today.

They didn't oversell/undersell his contributions early on the call, they said they are moving towards discussions soon and slipped a bit that they expect him to be on team next year (but silent as to longer term).

Could have missed wording as I was working and listening at same time but that was my takeaway. Which I conclude as tag.
RE: My preference?  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 6:51 pm : link
In comment 16010943 RHPeel said:
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If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.


so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?
RE: RE: My preference?  
Angel Eyes : 1/23/2023 6:52 pm : link
In comment 16010960 Eric on Li said:
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If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.



so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?

Not to mention the 3rd-round rookie tore his ACL.
I think Tyrod would be the 1 year bridge  
sharp315 : 1/23/2023 6:52 pm : link
, to who, impossible to say. They gave Tyrod a 2 year 11m contract probably with this scenario in mind.

After today's press conference though I would anticipate them getting to some kind of agreement with DJ.
They have a lot they have to get  
Dave on the UWS : 1/23/2023 6:53 pm : link
done. Tagging him would be the worst possible choice. It would mean they are moving forward with a QB who they can’t meet eye to eye on as to his value, which would mean he’s an expensive stop gap. That will SEVERELY hamper the rebuild.
Brady in the Sixth  
Jim in NH : 1/23/2023 6:55 pm : link
Purdy in the seventh.

t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/23/2023 6:55 pm : link
There's this QB named Joe on this team in the AFC North that is playing this weekend...I'd take him in a Giants uni.
However  
Dave on the UWS : 1/23/2023 6:56 pm : link
if Jones comes to the table with 40 million per as his STARTING point, to be paid like the top 3 or 4 in the league, I don’t think they go there.
Guys, there is no way that Jones does not play  
DefenseWins : 1/23/2023 6:56 pm : link
for the Giants next year.
RE: Brady in the Sixth  
sharp315 : 1/23/2023 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16010964 Jim in NH said:
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Purdy in the seventh.

t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.

There is no shot Joe Schoen risks his first and potentially only run as a GM with a 6th or 7th round QB. You'll see Jimmy G or a Mariotta reclamation project before that happens.
RE: RE: RE: My preference?  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 6:58 pm : link
In comment 16010961 Angel Eyes said:
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If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.



so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?


Not to mention the 3rd-round rookie tore his ACL.


RE: They have a lot they have to get  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 6:59 pm : link
In comment 16010963 Dave on the UWS said:
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done. Tagging him would be the worst possible choice. It would mean they are moving forward with a QB who they can’t meet eye to eye on as to his value, which would mean he’s an expensive stop gap. That will SEVERELY hamper the rebuild.


how will it severely hamper the rebuild?
Time to go grocery shopping  
Giant John : 1/23/2023 7:02 pm : link
I’ll let them do their thing then judge by the number of wins we rack up week by week.
It'll be DJ  
sb2003 : 1/23/2023 7:03 pm : link
Jones wants to remain a Giant and the Giants want Jones as their QB. I don't see how a deal isn't agreed to.
RE: Guys, there is no way that Jones does not play  
sharp315 : 1/23/2023 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16010968 DefenseWins said:
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for the Giants next year.

Do you pay him QB1 money? If I was DJ's agent I would be playing hardball, no question about it. Especially after Giants skipped out on his 5th year option. He won a playoff game in convincing fashion. I would be looking for a Kirk Cousins / Dak deal - 3 or 4 years fully guaranteed, take it or leave it.
RE: RE: Guys, there is no way that Jones does not play  
Sean : 1/23/2023 7:08 pm : link
In comment 16010977 sharp315 said:
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for the Giants next year.


Do you pay him QB1 money? If I was DJ's agent I would be playing hardball, no question about it. Especially after Giants skipped out on his 5th year option. He won a playoff game in convincing fashion. I would be looking for a Kirk Cousins / Dak deal - 3 or 4 years fully guaranteed, take it or leave it.

If he wants to play hardball then he can look elsewhere. He threw 15 touchdowns. Now, that number can go up but it’s hard for Team Jones to take that approach with that little passing production.
RE: However  
Carl in CT : 1/23/2023 7:08 pm : link
In comment 16010967 Dave on the UWS said:
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if Jones comes to the table with 40 million per as his STARTING point, to be paid like the top 3 or 4 in the league, I don’t think they go there.


$40m AAV is like 8th or 9th now before some big extensions. It’s the norm.
RE: Brady in the Sixth  
k2tampa : 1/23/2023 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16010964 Jim in NH said:
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Purdy in the seventh.

t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.


You mean the guy who passed on Purdy at least six times? And the guy who passed on Brady five times? Neither was drafted with the expectation they would ever start.
RE: RE: Brady in the Sixth  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 7:28 pm : link
In comment 16010999 k2tampa said:
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Purdy in the seventh.

t doesn't matter where you pick, only who does the picking.



You mean the guy who passed on Purdy at least six times? And the guy who passed on Brady five times? Neither was drafted with the expectation they would ever start.


come on, how can you dismiss odds like twice in 22 years? if they commit to the strategy then they have a 1 in 32 chance of finding the next brock purdy at some point in the next 11 years.
I’m not giving Jones $40M AAV  
Sean : 1/23/2023 7:35 pm : link
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RE: I’m not giving Jones $40M AAV  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 7:37 pm : link
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who said they have to?
RE: RE: My preference?  
RHPeel : 1/23/2023 7:38 pm : link
In comment 16010960 Eric on Li said:
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If no Jones: Hendon Hooker in the third round, Baker Mayfield on a one-year prove it deal, and Tyrod Taylor as the presumptive starter.



so a guy who got booted off 2 teams in the last 9 months getting 1 of those coaches fired, a guy who can't go a full game without getting hurt, and a 3rd round rookie only 6 months younger than jones. where can we sign up?


Given that that is the best alternative: I would like to keep Jones. But if Jones isn't interested in staying long-term and communicates as much, franchise him, trade him, and that's my preference as backup plan. It's a reasonable way to spread your money around: reclamation project, decent bridge starter, and project.
RE: RE: I’m not giving Jones $40M AAV  
Sean : 1/23/2023 7:40 pm : link
In comment 16011017 Eric on Li said:
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who said they have to?

Carl above called it the norm.
RE: RE: RE: I’m not giving Jones $40M AAV  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 7:44 pm : link
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who said they have to?


Carl above called it the norm.


he's right - that doesn't mean they have to pay jones $40m right now, though i think it's possible they do.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/23/2023 7:45 pm : link
Jones getting $40 million a season? Fuck that!
Jones is going to continue to prove the doubters wrong  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/23/2023 7:50 pm : link
Help is coming via the draft. 5 interceptions all year with what they trotted out there is a remarkable achievement. Dual threat qb. The arrow is pointing upwards. He threw an absolute dime to Slayton in the corner of the end zone against Minnesota after the Hodgins catch. I think Jones takes another jump forward next year.
I can’t give Jones $40M when these are his passing TD numbers:  
Sean : 1/23/2023 7:54 pm : link
2022: 15
2021: 9
2020: 11
2019: 24

I think Jones should be back, and he’s a good player but no on $40M per year. I’d rather franchise him then and challenge him to make the jump Hurts made from 2021 to 2022. Hurts threw for 16 TD’s in 2021.
Trade For The Last Pick In The 2023 Draft  
Trainmaster : 1/23/2023 7:54 pm : link
and draft a QB as Mr Irrelevant. It worked for the 49ers.

:-)
RE: Jones is going to continue to prove the doubters wrong  
Sean : 1/23/2023 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16011037 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Help is coming via the draft. 5 interceptions all year with what they trotted out there is a remarkable achievement. Dual threat qb. The arrow is pointing upwards. He threw an absolute dime to Slayton in the corner of the end zone against Minnesota after the Hodgins catch. I think Jones takes another jump forward next year.

I do have concerns about how he performs when the game speed goes up. Philly plays at another speed. I look forward to asking Sy about this in his game review.
RE: ...  
Dinger : 1/23/2023 7:58 pm : link
In comment 16011030 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Jones getting $40 million a season? Fuck that!


Agreed, but then we are back to the original question. The thought of QB purgatory (see the Jets, Panthers Commanders, etc) scares me.You know your cost for Jones and what you have in him. Don't need to give up crucial picks to move up, especially when we need so much more than a QB. Hoping that a Hendon Hooker in the 3rd can become our Purdy is really rolling the dice. Hell a 1st round pick is rolling the dice. I loved the other thread where someone said let DJ walk and wait for this years Heisman winner in 2024. That sounds like a super plan.......
Some of you are delusional  
uconngiant : 1/23/2023 8:14 pm : link
He is staying and that is what will happen. Taylor is not ready to lead the Giant's unless you want to end up 4-13 next year
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Sean : 1/23/2023 8:15 pm : link
In comment 16011045 Dinger said:
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Jones getting $40 million a season? Fuck that!



Agreed, but then we are back to the original question. The thought of QB purgatory (see the Jets, Panthers Commanders, etc) scares me.You know your cost for Jones and what you have in him. Don't need to give up crucial picks to move up, especially when we need so much more than a QB. Hoping that a Hendon Hooker in the 3rd can become our Purdy is really rolling the dice. Hell a 1st round pick is rolling the dice. I loved the other thread where someone said let DJ walk and wait for this years Heisman winner in 2024. That sounds like a super plan.......

Franchise him.
RE: RE: Jones is going to continue to prove the doubters wrong  
CornerStone246+17 : 1/23/2023 8:18 pm : link
In comment 16011044 Sean said:
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Help is coming via the draft. 5 interceptions all year with what they trotted out there is a remarkable achievement. Dual threat qb. The arrow is pointing upwards. He threw an absolute dime to Slayton in the corner of the end zone against Minnesota after the Hodgins catch. I think Jones takes another jump forward next year.


I do have concerns about how he performs when the game speed goes up. Philly plays at another speed. I look forward to asking Sy about this in his game review.


Philly was a buzzsaw. They are loaded. The NYG have guys mainly off the streets and practice squads as our WRs. When they get him the WRs and the pass pro continues to improve he'll be right there after the top 5-6 QBs in the NFL. You can win a SuperBowl with DJ. Just got to put better talent around him.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/23/2023 8:20 pm : link
I thought DJ had a good season. But the idea of shelling out $40 million to him? GTFO.

He's not Burrow.
DJ will get a market value contract from someone  
BillT : 1/23/2023 8:33 pm : link
If it’s not the Giants then it will be someone else. What’s market value. Don’t know for sure but I think it’s somewhere near $40m AAV. I don’t think a tag makes sense unless it’s temporary to get a deal done. After declining his option they now tag him. Not a good look and just delays the inevitable. Also not good look for the FO and whatever plan they may have. Reeks of “caught off guard”. Fish or cut bait.
RE: ...  
BillT : 1/23/2023 8:46 pm : link
In comment 16011058 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I thought DJ had a good season. But the idea of shelling out $40 million to him? GTFO.

He's not Burrow.

Burrow will get $50m at least.
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Sean : 1/23/2023 9:22 pm : link
In comment 16011073 BillT said:
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I thought DJ had a good season. But the idea of shelling out $40 million to him? GTFO.

He's not Burrow.


Burrow will get $50m at least.

How has Dak getting $40M worked out? And he’s thrown over 30 TD’s in a season.
RE: DJ will get a market value contract from someone  
sharp315 : 1/23/2023 9:43 pm : link
In comment 16011066 BillT said:
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If it’s not the Giants then it will be someone else. What’s market value. Don’t know for sure but I think it’s somewhere near $40m AAV. I don’t think a tag makes sense unless it’s temporary to get a deal done. After declining his option they now tag him. Not a good look and just delays the inevitable. Also not good look for the FO and whatever plan they may have. Reeks of “caught off guard”. Fish or cut bait.

I said this exact thing in a similar thread and got lambasted but it's 100% accurate. Joe Schoen didn't decline a very cost effective option year (was only $22m as I recall) to turn around and use a 2x excluse franchise tag. Bad business and, as you said, a bad look because it signals the 2 sides are not eye to eye.

Front office was obviously pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the season but now they have a QB who won a playoff game. There are a lot of QBs who have never done that. Jones cemented himself in the top 10 pay scale because of that playoff win. He will get somewhere in the $35m - $40m AAV just depends on length. If I was his agent I would take nothing less than market. No home town discounts for a team that didn't even believe in my guy enough to pick up the option year.
sharp  
Sean : 1/23/2023 9:48 pm : link
Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.
RE: sharp  
sharp315 : 1/23/2023 10:04 pm : link
In comment 16011153 Sean said:
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Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.

Well, I think with there being 8-10 teams desperate for a starting QB someone will pay top dollar. Plenty of examples
- Kyler Murray: 0-1 in the playoffs, $46m AAV
- Derek Carr: 0-1 in the playoffs, $40.5m AAV
- Kirk Cousins: 1-3 in the playoffs, $35 AAV
- Carson Wentz: 0-1 in the playoffs as a starter, $32m AAV
If not JonesId ride with Taylor  
Rudy5757 : 1/23/2023 10:08 pm : link
And Webb then draft a developmental guy. Get the cap fully in control and build the roster until you find the guy.

I’d rather that than overpay for someone who isn’t the guy. We are paying Taylor a lot to be a backup. I think that was a mistake by Schoen and Taylor seems to be injured easy.

In any event I think it would be a mistake to move on from Jones since there really are no options. I would still draft a QB to develop. Moving on from Jones sends a bad message to the team. Plus if you move on and don’t make the playoffs you may lose some credibility especially if Jones goes to another team and excels with better talent.
RE: sharp  
bw in dc : 1/23/2023 10:08 pm : link
In comment 16011153 Sean said:
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Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.


Let's say we let Team Jones to hit the open market to see what type of demand they can generate. If they get a great deal - say AAV $40+, $100+ guaranteed, etc - is it that big of a setback if they sign and leave?
RE: RE: sharp  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2023 10:16 pm : link
In comment 16011185 bw in dc said:
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Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.



Let's say we let Team Jones to hit the open market to see what type of demand they can generate. If they get a great deal - say AAV $40+, $100+ guaranteed, etc - is it that big of a setback if they sign and leave?


is this a real question?

not only would they be giving up at least 1 top 50 pick for nothing but they'd have no qb and no high draft pick to get one. tyrod is barely durable enough to be a back up. in the limited action he saw this year he got carted off once and knocked out once.
RE: RE: sharp  
Sean : 1/23/2023 10:21 pm : link
In comment 16011176 sharp315 said:
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Some think he won’t have much of a market if at all. I’m not sure another team is giving him $40M per year. We’ll see.


Well, I think with there being 8-10 teams desperate for a starting QB someone will pay top dollar. Plenty of examples
- Kyler Murray: 0-1 in the playoffs, $46m AAV
- Derek Carr: 0-1 in the playoffs, $40.5m AAV
- Kirk Cousins: 1-3 in the playoffs, $35 AAV
- Carson Wentz: 0-1 in the playoffs as a starter, $32m AAV

Why didn’t Trubisky have a market then beyond getting back up money? And he drove right down the field in a playoff game against Philly and had the Bears in FG range. The kicker didn’t execute.
I have heard some observers say the market for Jones is overrated  
Producer : 1/23/2023 10:26 pm : link
They say it's not as big as New York observers think, especially with Carr and JG and others hitting the market.

I'm not saying they are right or wrong. But I think it is still a question and many here seem to assume Jones gets $40M in the open market.

Maybe not.
I’ll go with this from Schoen  
BillT : 1/23/2023 10:30 pm : link
“We’re happy Daniel’s going to be here. We’re happy he’s going to be here. Hopefully we can get something done with his representatives. And that would be the goal – to build a team around him where he can lead us and win a Super Bowl.”

Now, to me that doesn’t sound like GM hyperbole and you can’t build around a player on a tag. But hey, maybe that’s just me.
And the Greek chorus.  
BillT : 1/23/2023 10:34 pm : link
“Hey, there isn’t really any market for Jones.” It’s so much more convincing when it’s said in unison.
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