On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
I’ll take DJ over those 4. But only at the right price. I just get pissed at anyone who points to the top elite QBs (Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts, Allen, Herbert, Jackson… and yes assuming they are all healthy) and says “I don’t really see a difference :/ “ … I’ll even put DJ as a top 10 QB and we can win a SB with him, but he is NOT ahead of those dudes. That’s simply the reality we need to face in building this team going forward. That is all.
I'm as high on Jones as anybody here, and I wouldn't even come close to saying that.
Mahomes and Burrow are on a whole other level. I put Jones in the group below with
Allen, Herbert, and Hurts. Most people put Jones in the group behind that, so not sure where you found the premise for this thread.
Im not saying he is Joe Burrow but seriously lets gwy some perspective here. Give Joe Burrow Slayton, Hodgins and James and then Give DJ Higgins,Chase and Boyd and get back to me.
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
This comment is so disrespectful to Burrow. He’s played behind arguably a worse OL than DJ.
Ceedee Lamb
Justin Jefferson
Devante Adams
Amon Ra St Brown
Darius Slayton
Those are the leaders in targets on those teams for 2022. I’m assuming even the stupidest person on BBI can recognize the difference between these receivers.
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
All you do is quote raw stats with no context, which is meaningless. All of those QB's have 1 or more top WRs/TEs, and play in offenses that throw the ball a lot more because of this. The Giants offense is around Barkley and Jones running, not built around throwing. Oh by the way, I see you ignored Jones rushing yards and rushing TDs
All you do is quote raw stats with no context, which is meaningless. All of those QB's have 1 or more top WRs/TEs, and play in offenses that throw the ball a lot more because of this. The Giants offense is around Barkley and Jones running, not built around throwing. Oh by the way, I see you ignored Jones rushing yards and rushing TDs
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
This comment is so disrespectful to Burrow. He’s played behind arguably a worse OL than DJ.
Burrow’s offensive line was dominant yesterday. Did you see the game?
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
This comment is so disrespectful to Burrow. He’s played behind arguably a worse OL than DJ.
Burrow’s offensive line was dominant yesterday. Did you see the game?
His line was atrocious all year until yesterday. You tune in to one game and think you have the answers. It's like someone telling you the Giants line is great because Jones had a lot of time vs the Vikings.
But I haven’t seen anyone saying he’s in Burrows class. Jones is 25 and is improving. Give him some Wrs in this offense and his passing numbers will improve.
Does everything have to be twisted and exaggerated just to argue even more sp than we already are?
Stick to reality.
Many people on this board have argued this.
I don't think so dude... lol. I haven't seen that one. Herbert maybe. I love me some DJ and want him back with us long term but if I had to choose between him and Burrow?? lol
All you do is quote raw stats with no context, which is meaningless. All of those QB's have 1 or more top WRs/TEs, and play in offenses that throw the ball a lot more because of this. The Giants offense is around Barkley and Jones running, not built around throwing. Oh by the way, I see you ignored Jones rushing yards and rushing TDs
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
A number of people (whenever they joined BBI I don’t care) have made this argument and I was just pointing out that they are idiots. A large percentage of BBI agree with me and I was just looking for y’all to confirm this adamantly to snuff out the r****ds. But instead many people who agree with me have decided to attack me and tell me this phenomenon of stupidness doesn’t exist. Ok fine. Sorry for posting one thing that made you feel uncomfortable in some way.
Congrats, you have a couple of January 2023 accounts on your side.
My “side” ?
Let me clarify what I meant by "on your side" - supporting the idiotic narrative that you're suggesting is a reality on this forum and one you're champing at the bit to see others confirm.
Congrats, you have a couple of January 2023 accounts on your side.
My “side” ?
Let me clarify what I meant by "on your side" - supporting the idiotic narrative that you're suggesting is a reality on this forum and one you're champing at the bit to see others confirm.
I’m champing at the bit to show how stupid those people are. Period.
ryanmkeane : 1/17/2023 7:51 pm : link : reply
People need to relax on Burrow being so much better than Jones. Yeah I said it. Right now they are playing pretty equal football when you consider what Jones is doing with his legs. Would be nice if Jones had Tee Higgins and Chase to catch everything in sight within a 10 foot radius
All you do is quote raw stats with no context, which is meaningless. All of those QB's have 1 or more top WRs/TEs, and play in offenses that throw the ball a lot more because of this. The Giants offense is around Barkley and Jones running, not built around throwing. Oh by the way, I see you ignored Jones rushing yards and rushing TDs
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You say one thing about Daniel Jones not being Jesus Christ and people on BBI assume you are are saying he is not the next coming of Eli Goddamn Manning… or Jesus Christ… idk I’m micing up my metaphors at this point. The point is: I WANT Jones to be the Quarterback of this team. And I think we can win a super bowl with him. But yes i have perused this board and many ignorant souls say his is as good as Burrow or better. Idc when they joined BBI they are saying this. I’m just saying let’s build the team knowing exactly what we have, DJ needs help around him, that’s all I’m saying.
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
Burrow also throws on the run better, has better arm talent, audibles better, has a better winning pedigree, etc.
The most TD passes Burrow has thrown in a season is 35. Therefore, to suggest an inferior player would "put up 30+ TD easy" is just daft.
A number of people (whenever they joined BBI I don’t care) have made this argument and I was just pointing out that they are idiots. A large percentage of BBI agree with me and I was just looking for y’all to confirm this adamantly to snuff out the r****ds. But instead many people who agree with me have decided to attack me and tell me this phenomenon of stupidness doesn’t exist. Ok fine. Sorry for posting one thing that made you feel uncomfortable in some way.
What exactly was the argument? Making a rogue comment to piss people off is what many people do, and yes I’ve seen that. I don’t recall anyone making this argument with some sort of reasoning behind it. Seems like a complete waste of time to start this and then argue about it.
A number of people (whenever they joined BBI I don’t care) have made this argument and I was just pointing out that they are idiots. A large percentage of BBI agree with me and I was just looking for y’all to confirm this adamantly to snuff out the r****ds. But instead many people who agree with me have decided to attack me and tell me this phenomenon of stupidness doesn’t exist. Ok fine. Sorry for posting one thing that made you feel uncomfortable in some way.
What exactly was the argument? Making a rogue comment to piss people off is what many people do, and yes I’ve seen that. I don’t recall anyone making this argument with some sort of reasoning behind it. Seems like a complete waste of time to start this and then argue about it.
Well you should’ve been on the Bills Bengals thread … as the Bengals we’re winning by 3 scores and people were still arguing this. If you think this thread was useless for your own purposes just ignore it.
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
Burrow also throws on the run better, has better arm talent, audibles better, has a better winning pedigree, etc.
The most TD passes Burrow has thrown in a season is 35. Therefore, to suggest an inferior player would "put up 30+ TD easy" is just daft.
IMO, this hit is the turning point in Burrow's career. He was good going into the fiesta bowl his Junior year, but has been playing on another level since. Burrow may not be as skilled as some of the other QBs in the league, but he is the best leader right now and Jones has a lot of work to do to if he wants to catch him.
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
Exactly this.
Make believe is fun! He said it, must be true if you guys click your heels together and snap your fingers 4 times, right?
Burrow probably has more passing TDs this year than DJ has the last 3 years combined. DJ just needs that 1 good WR and we'll be sizing him for a gold jacket. Der...der...
I said something that isn’t at all controversial and people went wild. I am a long time member oF BBI And longtime poster & was trying to dispel some stupid notions I’ve seen on this Board, how the fuck did this turn into a crucifixion?
I said something that isn’t at all controversial and people went wild. I am a long time member oF BBI And longtime poster & was trying to dispel some stupid notions I’ve seen on this Board, how the fuck did this turn into a crucifixion?
Because I’ve been on the board longer and have never seen anyone say DJ is better than Burrow.
Also - just saying DJ would be better than he is if he had
Chase, Higgins, etc… is not the same as saying he is equal to or better than Burrow. It’s just stating an obvious fact… DJ would put up better numbers with better receivers. It’s not controversial at all.
I said something that isn’t at all controversial and people went wild. I am a long time member oF BBI And longtime poster & was trying to dispel some stupid notions I’ve seen on this Board, how the fuck did this turn into a crucifixion?
Because I’ve been on the board longer and have never seen anyone say DJ is better than Burrow.
Oh ok then you haven’t been reading all of BBI the past 24 hours. If you haven’t read every single thread that’s cool. Why did you assume you had & therefore why did you respond to this?
I said something that isn’t at all controversial and people went wild. I am a long time member oF BBI And longtime poster & was trying to dispel some stupid notions I’ve seen on this Board, how the fuck did this turn into a crucifixion?
Because I’ve been on the board longer and have never seen anyone say DJ is better than Burrow.
I said “Jones = Burrow” I did not say “better than.” That is a fundamental difference. And if you read THIS THREAD many people are arguing exactly that.
I said something that isn’t at all controversial and people went wild. I am a long time member oF BBI And longtime poster & was trying to dispel some stupid notions I’ve seen on this Board, how the fuck did this turn into a crucifixion?
Because I’ve been on the board longer and have never seen anyone say DJ is better than Burrow.
Oh ok cool. You’ve been here 20 years while I’ve been here 18 years. I’m sure that fact matters at all in this conversation considering Joe Burrow is 25 fucking years old
ryanmkeane : 1/17/2023 7:51 pm : link : reply
People need to relax on Burrow being so much better than Jones. Yeah I said it. Right now they are playing pretty equal football when you consider what Jones is doing with his legs. Would be nice if Jones had Tee Higgins and Chase to catch everything in sight within a 10 foot radius
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: DJs numbers aren't as good as...
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
And I like the growth Jones has shown, and think there is a reasonable expectation that he will continue to grow... That said, I don't think Producer is wrong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: DJs numbers aren't as good as...
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
I don’t agree with the text that I put in bold above. Personally, I find it polite and respectful to communicate opinions as such. It seems a bit arrogant in my view to express an opinion as fact. I could also argue that perhaps those that speak their opinions as fact are too lazy to express it properly.
In the end, neither way is a big deal, but we all have our own preferences.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: DJs numbers aren't as good as...
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
I don’t agree with the text that I put in bold above. Personally, I find it polite and respectful to communicate opinions as such. It seems a bit arrogant in my view to express an opinion as fact. I could also argue that perhaps those that speak their opinions as fact are too lazy to express it properly.
In the end, neither way is a big deal, but we all have our own preferences.
Look, I agree it is better/more polite to state that something is opinion, and it is something I try to do myself.
However, lets be real here. Is anybody going to mistake what Producer said as inside knowledge. Of course not. Of course it is opinion. That is what this board is. I find it to be intellectually dishonest to get bent out of shape about another posters style of stating their opinion and to make that the whole of your argument. It's a lazy argument.
what gushes from their mouths is opinion? Hell no.
When you get together with your buddies over a few, and discuss football, do you couch everything you say as your opinion. Of course you don't!
Why is this place any different. Just make the underlying assumption that everything is an opinion and challenge as such. Ask for supporting evidence, or better yet, provide some evidence to counter.
Honestly, I could not care less, if somebody feels butthurt because of what somebody typed on a message board. I want to read the various opinions, points of view, and maybe learn something.
It gets tiresome repeating this as I know some think it's just an excuse but .... sure would be nice to rate him after he's got a legit and reliable #1 and #2 receiver. I still don't think his OL is solid either. The OL improved a little from last year as did the coaching, still, some respectable receivers please?
The NY Giants' #1 receiver is (as in most receptions) Saquon Barkley and Richie James with 57 receptions. That's good for around 60th in the league. With 32 NFL teams, that ranks James as one of the worst #2 receivers in the league.
We have a plethora of really good #3 receivers, one of which may become an average #2 receiver. We need a good to great #1 receiver AND a good to great #2 receiver.
Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, etc all have a great receiving core. Most of the QBs constantly mentioned also have good OLs (not the Bengals ofc). All I ask is for a fair measurement.
If you had said, "Anyone who says Daniel Jones can leap tall buildings at a single bound does not know a single thing about tall buildings" I would support that statement, because clearly that person is clueless when it comes to tall buildings. Daniel Jones couldn't even leap the shortest of buildings! But when you say that anyone who says he equals Joe Burrow he doesn't know a single thing about football you lose me because the simple fact that he knows they both are football players and are comparable because they play the same position indicates he knows at least a single thing or two about the game. Next time, stick with deriding those that say he can leap tall buildings at a single bound (it's likely these are the same people who think he is Joe Burrow's equal) or that he lives in a condom (because clearly they don't know a single thing about condoms and are probably confusing them with condominiums).
what is your point? Burrow has Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase and a decent TE... Jones has Slayton and Hodgins. Does that make you happy.
Jones is not Burrow. Josh Allen is not Joe Burrow. I'm not sure Patrick Mahomes is Josh Burrow....
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
I don’t agree with the text that I put in bold above. Personally, I find it polite and respectful to communicate opinions as such. It seems a bit arrogant in my view to express an opinion as fact. I could also argue that perhaps those that speak their opinions as fact are too lazy to express it properly.
In the end, neither way is a big deal, but we all have our own preferences.
Look, I agree it is better/more polite to state that something is opinion, and it is something I try to do myself.
However, lets be real here. Is anybody going to mistake what Producer said as inside knowledge. Of course not. Of course it is opinion. That is what this board is. I find it to be intellectually dishonest to get bent out of shape about another posters style of stating their opinion and to make that the whole of your argument. It's a lazy argument.
The Giants never had in modern times a stat leader at QB. Virtually never in the top 5. BUT they have 4 Lombardi's to
show and how many do the Bills, Chargers, and Cincinatti have?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: DJs numbers aren't as good as...
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
I don’t agree with the text that I put in bold above. Personally, I find it polite and respectful to communicate opinions as such. It seems a bit arrogant in my view to express an opinion as fact. I could also argue that perhaps those that speak their opinions as fact are too lazy to express it properly.
In the end, neither way is a big deal, but we all have our own preferences.
Look, I agree it is better/more polite to state that something is opinion, and it is something I try to do myself.
However, lets be real here. Is anybody going to mistake what Producer said as inside knowledge. Of course not. Of course it is opinion. That is what this board is. I find it to be intellectually dishonest to get bent out of shape about another posters style of stating their opinion and to make that the whole of your argument. It's a lazy argument.
The Giants never had in modern times a stat leader at QB. Virtually never in the top 5. BUT they have 4 Lombardi's to
show and how many do the Bills, Chargers, and Cincinatti have?
A number of people (whenever they joined BBI I don’t care) have made this argument and I was just pointing out that they are idiots. A large percentage of BBI agree with me and I was just looking for y’all to confirm this adamantly to snuff out the r****ds. But instead many people who agree with me have decided to attack me and tell me this phenomenon of stupidness doesn’t exist. Ok fine. Sorry for posting one thing that made you feel uncomfortable in some way.
What exactly was the argument? Making a rogue comment to piss people off is what many people do, and yes I’ve seen that. I don’t recall anyone making this argument with some sort of reasoning behind it. Seems like a complete waste of time to start this and then argue about it.
Well you should’ve been on the Bills Bengals thread … as the Bengals we’re winning by 3 scores and people were still arguing this. If you think this thread was useless for your own purposes just ignore it.
I was on the thread and no one said this. What was said were things like “must be nice to throw to Chase and Higgins” (which if you ask Joe Burrow, he’d agree with) not “if Jones has Chase and Higgins he’d be the MVP of the league”.
If you are going to start a low quality thread be prepared for some backlash.
yeah, and i remember very fondly when posters were talking up Jones' ability before the beginning of this year and saying he could be a really good franchise QB. And everyone pretty much laughed at that and said its over. Then he led the team to a playoff win. Then people said well let's see about the Eagles game before we make any judgements here. Then people said well he's not Joe Burrow.
So..yeah. He's not Joe Burrow. Obviously. But during this stretch before the Eagles game he was playing close to that level.
Also once had a 3 game stretch that would be similar to Joe Burrow. As did Davis Mills last season. As did Darnold, Winston, Baker, etc.
Mitch Trubisky had a six-game stretch in 2018 when he threw 17 TDs and 4 INTs. Even at the end of his last year in Chicago, he had a 5-game stretch with 10 TDs (plus 1 rushing), 4 INTs, and a 99.3 passer rating.
I will accept and acknowledge that Jones is almost certainly going to be the Giants QB in 2023 at the very least, but let's not fall in love with small samples. It would be fantastic if the Giants improved the roster and Jones improved as well. That said, it's not unfair to point out that it's purely speculative.
And nobody should be mentioning Joe Burrow in a conversation about Daniel Jones.
Also once had a 3 game stretch that would be similar to Joe Burrow. As did Davis Mills last season. As did Darnold, Winston, Baker, etc.
Mitch Trubisky had a six-game stretch in 2018 when he threw 17 TDs and 4 INTs. Even at the end of his last year in Chicago, he had a 5-game stretch with 10 TDs (plus 1 rushing), 4 INTs, and a 99.3 passer rating.
I will accept and acknowledge that Jones is almost certainly going to be the Giants QB in 2023 at the very least, but let's not fall in love with small samples. It would be fantastic if the Giants improved the roster and Jones improved as well. That said, it's not unfair to point out that it's purely speculative.
And nobody should be mentioning Joe Burrow in a conversation about Daniel Jones.
+1. Barring a breakdown in contract negotiations, Jones will be the QB next year. Being concerned with how much and how long the Giants pay him off of speculation he’s going to jump into the next tier, or play like the Vikings/Colts games more consistently is legitimate. Some think it’s a forgone conclusion, but it’s not. It’s one thing to have a bad game, especially when the whole team is bad that day, but we saw old Jones’ habits pop back up Saturday (the pick, the mental lapse running out of bounds on 2nd and 1, off target on short/intermediate throws outside the hash).
From this past weekend Jones definitely wasn’t good
but look around at the other teams that lost too. Lawrence was underwhelming, Dak stunk, Allen wasn’t very good, and Purdy sucked too but got the win playing on an all star team. Not comparing all the QBs directly to each other but I saw a lot of bad from that group collectively.
Schoen is looking at a multi year extension or Tag, something Trubisky didn’t get and won’t ever get. The comp is meaningless, same for Minshew. So what do you guys know that Schoen doesn’t?
but look around at the other teams that lost too. Lawrence was underwhelming, Dak stunk, Allen wasn’t very good, and Purdy sucked too but got the win playing on an all star team. Not comparing all the QBs directly to each other but I saw a lot of bad from that group collectively.
Schoen is looking at a multi year extension or Tag, something Trubisky didn’t get and won’t ever get. The comp is meaningless, same for Minshew. So what do you guys know that Schoen doesn’t?
Joe Schoen is neither infallible nor capable of predicting the future. It's already been acknowledged that Jones almost certainly has a future as a Giants QB for Schoen/Daboll, but what comes with that are EXPECTATIONS for consistent performance.
If those two guys are going to hitch their wagon to Daniel Jones, they'd better be correct too. It's no longer going to be about "potential" it's going to be about results. You think Jones's critics are going to be silenced by occasional flashes of excellent mixed with mediocrity? Because I can assure you, they (we) will not. I hope Jones delivers, absolutely, but hopes and reality often don't align.
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
Exactly this.
Make believe is fun! He said it, must be true if you guys click your heels together and snap your fingers 4 times, right?
Burrow probably has more passing TDs this year than DJ has the last 3 years combined. DJ just needs that 1 good WR and we'll be sizing him for a gold jacket. Der...der...
Its not just a 1WR disparity here. Its a 3WR disparity. Secondly Chase isn't just a decent #1 he is perhaps top 2 or 3 in the entire NFL. Lastly which one of any of our WRs would start over any of their 3 top WRs? Thats not a small difference that's a totally different ballpark. For even more fun which TE on our roster plays over theirs?
No one is saying DJ is Burrow but to think his numbers wouldn't drastically improve with the likes of Chase Higgins and Boyd over Slayton Hodgins and James is fantasy land.
RE: From this past weekend Jones definitely wasn’t good
but look around at the other teams that lost too. Lawrence was underwhelming, Dak stunk, Allen wasn’t very good, and Purdy sucked too but got the win playing on an all star team. Not comparing all the QBs directly to each other but I saw a lot of bad from that group collectively.
Schoen is looking at a multi year extension or Tag, something Trubisky didn’t get and won’t ever get. The comp is meaningless, same for Minshew. So what do you guys know that Schoen doesn’t?
Not comparing Jones to either, but just pointing out a lot of QBs who aren’t franchise QBs have had stretches of franchise QB like play.
But back to Tribusky/Jones in terms of contract. The reason Tribusky didn’t get a 5th year or a long term contract was because his best year came in year 2 and there wasn’t any growth in the years after that. Jones’ best year came in year 4, in a year the team played themselves out of draft position for a top QB. So naturally you have to see if there’s an opportunity for him to do it again. If you swapped career arcs, the Bears would be looking to find a way out of a Tribusky deal and a second contract for Jones wouldn’t even be on the table.
Agree with this. Although Burrow is no less than top 2 for me. I honestly think if I had to start a franchise right now with a pick of the current QBs, it would be Burrow.
THAT SAID - DJ is absolutely top 10 right now, with WAY less of a cast of characters surrounding him than basically every other QB in the playoffs this year. I DON'T CARE if he is as good as Burrow, I am happy to have him.
And Leg, I have not seen one post, not one with someone saying he is as good as Burrow.
no one in the league has, and Jones is very good in that department. Just go over old college and high school interviews regarding Joe Burrow, coaches and other players speak reverentially about him, never seen something like that before.
Jones MIGHT be really good if given the WRs and OL ... now that he stopped turning the ball over so much.
But he hasn't been really good yet.
So we don't need to negotiate against ourselves to pay him like he it. There's no way another GM is going to offer him $35M+ per year based on what he's done. They can't if they want to keep their job.
On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
LMFAO! Always love ridiculous statements like these. As if the NFL is fucking Madden and, it’s as easy as plug-n-play.
Stick to reality.
Stick to reality.
Many people on this board have argued this.
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DJ has wet dreams about being as good as Burrow.
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Does everything have to be twisted and exaggerated just to argue even more sp than we already are?
Stick to reality.
Many people on this board have argued this.
Nope. They haven’t. Find one post. One.
Cousins
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DJ has wet dreams about being as good as Burrow.
I’ll take DJ over those 4. But only at the right price. I just get pissed at anyone who points to the top elite QBs (Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts, Allen, Herbert, Jackson… and yes assuming they are all healthy) and says “I don’t really see a difference :/ “ … I’ll even put DJ as a top 10 QB and we can win a SB with him, but he is NOT ahead of those dudes. That’s simply the reality we need to face in building this team going forward. That is all.
Mahomes and Burrow are on a whole other level. I put Jones in the group below with
Allen, Herbert, and Hurts. Most people put Jones in the group behind that, so not sure where you found the premise for this thread.
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Does everything have to be twisted and exaggerated just to argue even more sp than we already are?
Stick to reality.
Many people on this board have argued this.
Nope. They haven’t. Find one post. One.
Oh ok. How about the post right below yours?
Now watch this thread and how many of them pile up.
This comment is so disrespectful to Burrow. He’s played behind arguably a worse OL than DJ.
Cousins
Carr
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DJ has wet dreams about being as good as Burrow.
Ceedee Lamb
Justin Jefferson
Devante Adams
Amon Ra St Brown
Darius Slayton
Those are the leaders in targets on those teams for 2022. I’m assuming even the stupidest person on BBI can recognize the difference between these receivers.
Exactly this.
lol.. ok
Just admit Jones is not in Burrow''s universe.
Uhhh. No sir. Keep monitoring this thread. I certainly am. Got my popcorn ready🍿😁
Cousins
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DJ has wet dreams about being as good as Burrow.
All you do is quote raw stats with no context, which is meaningless. All of those QB's have 1 or more top WRs/TEs, and play in offenses that throw the ball a lot more because of this. The Giants offense is around Barkley and Jones running, not built around throwing. Oh by the way, I see you ignored Jones rushing yards and rushing TDs
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DJ has wet dreams about being as good as Burrow.
All you do is quote raw stats with no context, which is meaningless. All of those QB's have 1 or more top WRs/TEs, and play in offenses that throw the ball a lot more because of this. The Giants offense is around Barkley and Jones running, not built around throwing. Oh by the way, I see you ignored Jones rushing yards and rushing TDs
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
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On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
This comment is so disrespectful to Burrow. He’s played behind arguably a worse OL than DJ.
Burrow’s offensive line was dominant yesterday. Did you see the game?
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On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
This comment is so disrespectful to Burrow. He’s played behind arguably a worse OL than DJ.
Burrow’s offensive line was dominant yesterday. Did you see the game?
His line was atrocious all year until yesterday. You tune in to one game and think you have the answers. It's like someone telling you the Giants line is great because Jones had a lot of time vs the Vikings.
Maybe read the thread.
Maybe read the thread.
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This is stupid.
Maybe read the thread.
Congrats, you have a couple of January 2023 accounts on your side.
Prescott, yes. Burrow, no.
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This is stupid.
Maybe read the thread.
Congrats, you have a couple of January 2023 accounts on your side.
My “side” ?
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Stick to reality.
Many people on this board have argued this.
I don't think so dude... lol. I haven't seen that one. Herbert maybe. I love me some DJ and want him back with us long term but if I had to choose between him and Burrow?? lol
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DJ has wet dreams about being as good as Burrow.
All you do is quote raw stats with no context, which is meaningless. All of those QB's have 1 or more top WRs/TEs, and play in offenses that throw the ball a lot more because of this. The Giants offense is around Barkley and Jones running, not built around throwing. Oh by the way, I see you ignored Jones rushing yards and rushing TDs
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
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This is stupid.
Maybe read the thread.
Congrats, you have a couple of January 2023 accounts on your side.
My “side” ?
Let me clarify what I meant by "on your side" - supporting the idiotic narrative that you're suggesting is a reality on this forum and one you're champing at the bit to see others confirm.
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This is stupid.
Maybe read the thread.
Congrats, you have a couple of January 2023 accounts on your side.
My “side” ?
Let me clarify what I meant by "on your side" - supporting the idiotic narrative that you're suggesting is a reality on this forum and one you're champing at the bit to see others confirm.
I’m champing at the bit to show how stupid those people are. Period.
People need to relax on Burrow being so much better than Jones. Yeah I said it. Right now they are playing pretty equal football when you consider what Jones is doing with his legs. Would be nice if Jones had Tee Higgins and Chase to catch everything in sight within a 10 foot radius
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Cousins
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DJ has wet dreams about being as good as Burrow.
All you do is quote raw stats with no context, which is meaningless. All of those QB's have 1 or more top WRs/TEs, and play in offenses that throw the ball a lot more because of this. The Giants offense is around Barkley and Jones running, not built around throwing. Oh by the way, I see you ignored Jones rushing yards and rushing TDs
The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
Says fucking you Producer. Go away.
Burrow also throws on the run better, has better arm talent, audibles better, has a better winning pedigree, etc.
The most TD passes Burrow has thrown in a season is 35. Therefore, to suggest an inferior player would "put up 30+ TD easy" is just daft.
What exactly was the argument? Making a rogue comment to piss people off is what many people do, and yes I’ve seen that. I don’t recall anyone making this argument with some sort of reasoning behind it. Seems like a complete waste of time to start this and then argue about it.
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A number of people (whenever they joined BBI I don’t care) have made this argument and I was just pointing out that they are idiots. A large percentage of BBI agree with me and I was just looking for y’all to confirm this adamantly to snuff out the r****ds. But instead many people who agree with me have decided to attack me and tell me this phenomenon of stupidness doesn’t exist. Ok fine. Sorry for posting one thing that made you feel uncomfortable in some way.
What exactly was the argument? Making a rogue comment to piss people off is what many people do, and yes I’ve seen that. I don’t recall anyone making this argument with some sort of reasoning behind it. Seems like a complete waste of time to start this and then argue about it.
Well you should’ve been on the Bills Bengals thread … as the Bengals we’re winning by 3 scores and people were still arguing this. If you think this thread was useless for your own purposes just ignore it.
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On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
Burrow also throws on the run better, has better arm talent, audibles better, has a better winning pedigree, etc.
The most TD passes Burrow has thrown in a season is 35. Therefore, to suggest an inferior player would "put up 30+ TD easy" is just daft.
IMO, this hit is the turning point in Burrow's career. He was good going into the fiesta bowl his Junior year, but has been playing on another level since. Burrow may not be as skilled as some of the other QBs in the league, but he is the best leader right now and Jones has a lot of work to do to if he wants to catch him.
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On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
Exactly this.
Make believe is fun! He said it, must be true if you guys click your heels together and snap your fingers 4 times, right?
Burrow probably has more passing TDs this year than DJ has the last 3 years combined. DJ just needs that 1 good WR and we'll be sizing him for a gold jacket. Der...der...
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This is stupid.
Maybe read the thread.
Do you have multiple handles by any chance?
Because I’ve been on the board longer and have never seen anyone say DJ is better than Burrow.
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I said something that isn’t at all controversial and people went wild. I am a long time member oF BBI And longtime poster & was trying to dispel some stupid notions I’ve seen on this Board, how the fuck did this turn into a crucifixion?
Because I’ve been on the board longer and have never seen anyone say DJ is better than Burrow.
Oh ok then you haven’t been reading all of BBI the past 24 hours. If you haven’t read every single thread that’s cool. Why did you assume you had & therefore why did you respond to this?
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I said something that isn’t at all controversial and people went wild. I am a long time member oF BBI And longtime poster & was trying to dispel some stupid notions I’ve seen on this Board, how the fuck did this turn into a crucifixion?
Because I’ve been on the board longer and have never seen anyone say DJ is better than Burrow.
I said “Jones = Burrow” I did not say “better than.” That is a fundamental difference. And if you read THIS THREAD many people are arguing exactly that.
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I said something that isn’t at all controversial and people went wild. I am a long time member oF BBI And longtime poster & was trying to dispel some stupid notions I’ve seen on this Board, how the fuck did this turn into a crucifixion?
Because I’ve been on the board longer and have never seen anyone say DJ is better than Burrow.
Oh ok cool. You’ve been here 20 years while I’ve been here 18 years. I’m sure that fact matters at all in this conversation considering Joe Burrow is 25 fucking years old
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People need to relax on Burrow being so much better than Jones. Yeah I said it. Right now they are playing pretty equal football when you consider what Jones is doing with his legs. Would be nice if Jones had Tee Higgins and Chase to catch everything in sight within a 10 foot radius
Haha, of course.
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The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
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The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
And I like the growth Jones has shown, and think there is a reasonable expectation that he will continue to grow... That said, I don't think Producer is wrong.
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The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
I don’t agree with the text that I put in bold above. Personally, I find it polite and respectful to communicate opinions as such. It seems a bit arrogant in my view to express an opinion as fact. I could also argue that perhaps those that speak their opinions as fact are too lazy to express it properly.
In the end, neither way is a big deal, but we all have our own preferences.
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The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
I don’t agree with the text that I put in bold above. Personally, I find it polite and respectful to communicate opinions as such. It seems a bit arrogant in my view to express an opinion as fact. I could also argue that perhaps those that speak their opinions as fact are too lazy to express it properly.
In the end, neither way is a big deal, but we all have our own preferences.
Look, I agree it is better/more polite to state that something is opinion, and it is something I try to do myself.
However, lets be real here. Is anybody going to mistake what Producer said as inside knowledge. Of course not. Of course it is opinion. That is what this board is. I find it to be intellectually dishonest to get bent out of shape about another posters style of stating their opinion and to make that the whole of your argument. It's a lazy argument.
When you get together with your buddies over a few, and discuss football, do you couch everything you say as your opinion. Of course you don't!
Why is this place any different. Just make the underlying assumption that everything is an opinion and challenge as such. Ask for supporting evidence, or better yet, provide some evidence to counter.
Honestly, I could not care less, if somebody feels butthurt because of what somebody typed on a message board. I want to read the various opinions, points of view, and maybe learn something.
The NY Giants' #1 receiver is (as in most receptions) Saquon Barkley and Richie James with 57 receptions. That's good for around 60th in the league. With 32 NFL teams, that ranks James as one of the worst #2 receivers in the league.
We have a plethora of really good #3 receivers, one of which may become an average #2 receiver. We need a good to great #1 receiver AND a good to great #2 receiver.
Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, etc all have a great receiving core. Most of the QBs constantly mentioned also have good OLs (not the Bengals ofc). All I ask is for a fair measurement.
I am not sure that Mahomes is Burrow right now(before injury).
Jones is somewhere in the 10-12 range of NFL QBs.
Guess the usual suspects will keep trying to prove a non-existent point to get themselves through the week.
2019: 24
2020: 11
2021: 9
2022: 15
Burrow:
2020: 13
2021: 34
2022: 35
2019: 24
2020: 11
2021: 9
2022: 15
Burrow:
2020: 13
2021: 34
2022: 35
what is your point? Burrow has Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase and a decent TE... Jones has Slayton and Hodgins. Does that make you happy.
Jones is not Burrow. Josh Allen is not Joe Burrow. I'm not sure Patrick Mahomes is Josh Burrow....
You continue to argue an non-existent point.
Burrow was supposed to be a generational prospect. No one ever
said that
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The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
I don’t agree with the text that I put in bold above. Personally, I find it polite and respectful to communicate opinions as such. It seems a bit arrogant in my view to express an opinion as fact. I could also argue that perhaps those that speak their opinions as fact are too lazy to express it properly.
In the end, neither way is a big deal, but we all have our own preferences.
Look, I agree it is better/more polite to state that something is opinion, and it is something I try to do myself.
However, lets be real here. Is anybody going to mistake what Producer said as inside knowledge. Of course not. Of course it is opinion. That is what this board is. I find it to be intellectually dishonest to get bent out of shape about another posters style of stating their opinion and to make that the whole of your argument. It's a lazy argument.
The Giants never had in modern times a stat leader at QB. Virtually never in the top 5. BUT they have 4 Lombardi's to
show and how many do the Bills, Chargers, and Cincinatti have?
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The offense is designed the way it is because of Daniel Jones' limitations. And if we pay him $40M per year we are going nowhere for the duration of his contract.
You are quoting your opinion as fact as usual (again). You don't know this. I have to believe if Schoen offers Jones another contract then he thinks Jones can do more if given the resources. I will trust his opinion over yours, even though I realize you think you are a QB guru
This is a fan chat board. Everything is OPINION!
Whenever somebody complains that another poster is stating opinion as fact, it just means they are too lazy to come up with a reasonable counter argument that has any kind of support.
Why is the offensive scheme as conservative as it is?
Occam's Razor: The team has numerous limitations, including the QB.
I don’t agree with the text that I put in bold above. Personally, I find it polite and respectful to communicate opinions as such. It seems a bit arrogant in my view to express an opinion as fact. I could also argue that perhaps those that speak their opinions as fact are too lazy to express it properly.
In the end, neither way is a big deal, but we all have our own preferences.
Look, I agree it is better/more polite to state that something is opinion, and it is something I try to do myself.
However, lets be real here. Is anybody going to mistake what Producer said as inside knowledge. Of course not. Of course it is opinion. That is what this board is. I find it to be intellectually dishonest to get bent out of shape about another posters style of stating their opinion and to make that the whole of your argument. It's a lazy argument.
The Giants never had in modern times a stat leader at QB. Virtually never in the top 5. BUT they have 4 Lombardi's to
show and how many do the Bills, Chargers, and Cincinatti have?
Well stated
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A number of people (whenever they joined BBI I don’t care) have made this argument and I was just pointing out that they are idiots. A large percentage of BBI agree with me and I was just looking for y’all to confirm this adamantly to snuff out the r****ds. But instead many people who agree with me have decided to attack me and tell me this phenomenon of stupidness doesn’t exist. Ok fine. Sorry for posting one thing that made you feel uncomfortable in some way.
What exactly was the argument? Making a rogue comment to piss people off is what many people do, and yes I’ve seen that. I don’t recall anyone making this argument with some sort of reasoning behind it. Seems like a complete waste of time to start this and then argue about it.
Well you should’ve been on the Bills Bengals thread … as the Bengals we’re winning by 3 scores and people were still arguing this. If you think this thread was useless for your own purposes just ignore it.
I was on the thread and no one said this. What was said were things like “must be nice to throw to Chase and Higgins” (which if you ask Joe Burrow, he’d agree with) not “if Jones has Chase and Higgins he’d be the MVP of the league”.
If you are going to start a low quality thread be prepared for some backlash.
So..yeah. He's not Joe Burrow. Obviously. But during this stretch before the Eagles game he was playing close to that level.
posts like this are exactly the reason why some of you guys will never accept the fact that Jones is the franchise QB
Mitch Trubisky had a six-game stretch in 2018 when he threw 17 TDs and 4 INTs. Even at the end of his last year in Chicago, he had a 5-game stretch with 10 TDs (plus 1 rushing), 4 INTs, and a 99.3 passer rating.
I will accept and acknowledge that Jones is almost certainly going to be the Giants QB in 2023 at the very least, but let's not fall in love with small samples. It would be fantastic if the Giants improved the roster and Jones improved as well. That said, it's not unfair to point out that it's purely speculative.
And nobody should be mentioning Joe Burrow in a conversation about Daniel Jones.
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Also once had a 3 game stretch that would be similar to Joe Burrow. As did Davis Mills last season. As did Darnold, Winston, Baker, etc.
Mitch Trubisky had a six-game stretch in 2018 when he threw 17 TDs and 4 INTs. Even at the end of his last year in Chicago, he had a 5-game stretch with 10 TDs (plus 1 rushing), 4 INTs, and a 99.3 passer rating.
I will accept and acknowledge that Jones is almost certainly going to be the Giants QB in 2023 at the very least, but let's not fall in love with small samples. It would be fantastic if the Giants improved the roster and Jones improved as well. That said, it's not unfair to point out that it's purely speculative.
And nobody should be mentioning Joe Burrow in a conversation about Daniel Jones.
+1. Barring a breakdown in contract negotiations, Jones will be the QB next year. Being concerned with how much and how long the Giants pay him off of speculation he’s going to jump into the next tier, or play like the Vikings/Colts games more consistently is legitimate. Some think it’s a forgone conclusion, but it’s not. It’s one thing to have a bad game, especially when the whole team is bad that day, but we saw old Jones’ habits pop back up Saturday (the pick, the mental lapse running out of bounds on 2nd and 1, off target on short/intermediate throws outside the hash).
Schoen is looking at a multi year extension or Tag, something Trubisky didn’t get and won’t ever get. The comp is meaningless, same for Minshew. So what do you guys know that Schoen doesn’t?
Schoen is looking at a multi year extension or Tag, something Trubisky didn’t get and won’t ever get. The comp is meaningless, same for Minshew. So what do you guys know that Schoen doesn’t?
Joe Schoen is neither infallible nor capable of predicting the future. It's already been acknowledged that Jones almost certainly has a future as a Giants QB for Schoen/Daboll, but what comes with that are EXPECTATIONS for consistent performance.
If those two guys are going to hitch their wagon to Daniel Jones, they'd better be correct too. It's no longer going to be about "potential" it's going to be about results. You think Jones's critics are going to be silenced by occasional flashes of excellent mixed with mediocrity? Because I can assure you, they (we) will not. I hope Jones delivers, absolutely, but hopes and reality often don't align.
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On the bengals with jamar chase et al and he would put up 30+ TD easy plus he’s a better runner. Burrow better pocket presence for sure and reads better but DJ/Burrow are a lot closer overall, it’s just hard to compare when he’s surrounded by practice squad trash/Jason Garret offense.
Exactly this.
Make believe is fun! He said it, must be true if you guys click your heels together and snap your fingers 4 times, right?
Burrow probably has more passing TDs this year than DJ has the last 3 years combined. DJ just needs that 1 good WR and we'll be sizing him for a gold jacket. Der...der...
Its not just a 1WR disparity here. Its a 3WR disparity. Secondly Chase isn't just a decent #1 he is perhaps top 2 or 3 in the entire NFL. Lastly which one of any of our WRs would start over any of their 3 top WRs? Thats not a small difference that's a totally different ballpark. For even more fun which TE on our roster plays over theirs?
No one is saying DJ is Burrow but to think his numbers wouldn't drastically improve with the likes of Chase Higgins and Boyd over Slayton Hodgins and James is fantasy land.
Schoen is looking at a multi year extension or Tag, something Trubisky didn’t get and won’t ever get. The comp is meaningless, same for Minshew. So what do you guys know that Schoen doesn’t?
Not comparing Jones to either, but just pointing out a lot of QBs who aren’t franchise QBs have had stretches of franchise QB like play.
But back to Tribusky/Jones in terms of contract. The reason Tribusky didn’t get a 5th year or a long term contract was because his best year came in year 2 and there wasn’t any growth in the years after that. Jones’ best year came in year 4, in a year the team played themselves out of draft position for a top QB. So naturally you have to see if there’s an opportunity for him to do it again. If you swapped career arcs, the Bears would be looking to find a way out of a Tribusky deal and a second contract for Jones wouldn’t even be on the table.
Agree with this. Although Burrow is no less than top 2 for me. I honestly think if I had to start a franchise right now with a pick of the current QBs, it would be Burrow.
THAT SAID - DJ is absolutely top 10 right now, with WAY less of a cast of characters surrounding him than basically every other QB in the playoffs this year. I DON'T CARE if he is as good as Burrow, I am happy to have him.
And Leg, I have not seen one post, not one with someone saying he is as good as Burrow.
More talent at the skill talent will help him.
I did see Jones show some Joe coolness this year which is a good thing.
Chase and Higgins for Hodgins and James straight up. Get it done Joe.
But he hasn't been really good yet.
So we don't need to negotiate against ourselves to pay him like he it. There's no way another GM is going to offer him $35M+ per year based on what he's done. They can't if they want to keep their job.
And he still doesn't even have a Lombardi.
Yet.
LMFAO! Always love ridiculous statements like these. As if the NFL is fucking Madden and, it’s as easy as plug-n-play.
Hell, Josh Freeman once had an entire productive season that overshadowed his shortcomings.