The truth about Saquon Barkley

I stopped at that.

He had a big bounce back year this past season but did wear down a bit imv.
The shoulder injury also limited him for several games.
He is going into his 6th year. When RB’s do begin to slow down a bit…see Zeke Elliott.

In comment 16011407 Rick in Dallas said:

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He had a big bounce back year this past season but did wear down a bit imv. The shoulder injury also limited him for several games. He is going into his 6th year. When RB’s do begin to slow down a bit…see Zeke Elliott.

Saquon does not have nearly the miles and abuse that Zeke has.

let’s say I agree and he’s not 2018 Barkley - does he no longer have a home in the NFL? I’m fairly certain Schoen has all the data, advanced metrics and medical info to gauge where Barkley is at vs 2018 and how much he’s wiling to pay for it.

I saw a really productive back this year that’s worth paying for a few years. And he’s worth way more than the tag amount, not even sure how that’s debatable. But I trust Schoen, so I’m good with whatever happens.

But he redeemed himself this year.
However, I don't think any RB is worth a big contract.

Didn't have a torn ACL. He can still make guys miss, and he can put his shoulder down and take on contact. They misused him on Saturday night by not giving him the ball enough early on. When the Giants gave him the ball early in games, they usually won.

The truth...the facts...are opinions of armchair fans. Period.

Not as ridiculously explosive as he was as a rookie, but he’s also a smarter runner now IMO. I still say you fill this position in the cheap, especially with a far from complete offensive line. Just isn’t worth the money

Played for crappy teams.

I love him, think he's a great great guy. But would never pay him over 12 million.

and risk for decline.

Proceed with caution.

I don't think you're too far off.

Full disclosure... I thought Barkley ran gun-shy in 2021. When a player gets like that, he seldom finds his toughness again.

Barkley did in 2022. I was very impressed with the way he reinvented himself as a far more physical and tougher running back.

Some may remember that I posted before the season that the best scenario for the Giants was for Barkley to have a tremendous first half and then for the Giants to trade him before the deadline when his value was the highest. However, the unforeseen 6-2 start prevented that. But at the time, I posted I thought we had not seen the best of Barkley yet because we had not seen the 2018-type big runs.

Problem is we never did. I'm not sure he has that extra gear anymore. And for better or worse, the Giants' coaching staff thinks his sweet spot in touches is <20 per game. He's used as much as a threat now as actual weapon.

How much is that worth? I'm not sure it is $12-14 million per year.

and I say that as someone who really likes Barkley and was a proponent of drafting him in 2018.

I think there is a place for him on this roster but I think it should be at a price that I have a feeling he wouldn’t like.

When we drafted him I figured we were going to get at least a handful of seasons like his rookie year and it just hasn’t panned out.

His numbers?

In comment 16011439 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't think you're too far off. Full disclosure... I thought Barkley ran gun-shy in 2021. When a player gets like that, he seldom finds his toughness again. Barkley did in 2022. I was very impressed with the way he reinvented himself as a far more physical and tougher running back. Some may remember that I posted before the season that the best scenario for the Giants was for Barkley to have a tremendous first half and then for the Giants to trade him before the deadline when his value was the highest. However, the unforeseen 6-2 start prevented that. But at the time, I posted I thought we had not seen the best of Barkley yet because we had not seen the 2018-type big runs. Problem is we never did. I'm not sure he has that extra gear anymore. And for better or worse, the Giants' coaching staff thinks his sweet spot in touches is <20 per game. He's used as much as a threat now as actual weapon. How much is that worth? I'm not sure it is $12-14 million per year.

I think he looked really good when he was at full health and full strength. Still a top-5 RB. But the risks remain.

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and risk for decline. Proceed with caution.

I wish people would stop with the injury prone/injury risk monicker. Every RB is an injury risk. Not many Henry's or CMCs in the league. Dalvin Cook is in the same boat as Saquon.

He had an ACL on a hit to the side of the knee and a high ankle sprain.

One of the first things he said in his presser was

“He’s a good player and a GREAT teammate”. That was a calculated statement.

I do think SB will be resigned. He has said he doesn’t expect a record breaking contract and that his injury history would impact his negotiations. I think RB is a very fungible position, but SB would be a good signing at the right number. I think it happens.

I don't totally disagree with you.

I don't think he has the speed he had. Probably because he's a few years older and he's bulked up some. Barkley in his rookie year, would have never been caught on that 40 yard run he had the other day against Philly. That would have been 6.

In comment 16011466 section125 said:

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In comment 16011436 Producer said: Quote: and risk for decline. Proceed with caution. I wish people would stop with the injury prone/injury risk monicker. Every RB is an injury risk. Not many Henry's or CMCs in the league. Dalvin Cook is in the same boat as Saquon. He had an ACL on a hit to the side of the knee and a high ankle sprain.

McCaffrey missed huge chunks of 2020 and 2021 with injuries.
He actually looked like he might have been done after last year. He couldn't stay healthy. This year was a surprise.

In comment 16011439 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't think you're too far off. Full disclosure... I thought Barkley ran gun-shy in 2021. When a player gets like that, he seldom finds his toughness again. Barkley did in 2022. I was very impressed with the way he reinvented himself as a far more physical and tougher running back. Some may remember that I posted before the season that the best scenario for the Giants was for Barkley to have a tremendous first half and then for the Giants to trade him before the deadline when his value was the highest. However, the unforeseen 6-2 start prevented that. But at the time, I posted I thought we had not seen the best of Barkley yet because we had not seen the 2018-type big runs. Problem is we never did. I'm not sure he has that extra gear anymore. And for better or worse, the Giants' coaching staff thinks his sweet spot in touches is <20 per game. He's used as much as a threat now as actual weapon. How much is that worth? I'm not sure it is $12-14 million per year.

To me the biggest difference between 2018 Barkley and 2022 edition:
Declining Eli throwing to OBJ, Engram and peak, healthy Shep demanded more attention from defenses than ascending DJ throwing to Hodgins, James and Bellinger.

wasn't running with the toughness we saw in the first half of the season, he was still the featured back. it was clear that for those games he was not the best back on the team and should have been on the bench.

but he does get dinged often and it impacts his performance on the football field. He fought through it more this season than in the past, I'm sure there's some maturing taking place and he's willing himself through it more.

He's an asset to NYG on and off the field. I'd be happy to keep him and not create another hole to fill, and offering him 3/36 during the bye week is an indication NYG feels the same. I think this an extension of feeling he's a special individual to the franchise, as well as the fanbase. He's going to get some preferential treatment, imv.

The Titans game was phenomenal, and think back to the late TD he scored vs. DAL when he cut across the field and just outran their DBs to the end zone. To me, his play fell off a cliff as soon as he got injured vs. GB.

He came back with weird shoulder pads and ran stiff as a board after that. I'm not sure why a shoulder injury would affect speed but maybe his back/neck hurt when he ran.

In any event, this is a guy who's play is dramatically affected by injury. That's a tough deal in the NFL.

In comment 16011439 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't think you're too far off. Full disclosure... I thought Barkley ran gun-shy in 2021. When a player gets like that, he seldom finds his toughness again. Barkley did in 2022. I was very impressed with the way he reinvented himself as a far more physical and tougher running back. Some may remember that I posted before the season that the best scenario for the Giants was for Barkley to have a tremendous first half and then for the Giants to trade him before the deadline when his value was the highest. However, the unforeseen 6-2 start prevented that. But at the time, I posted I thought we had not seen the best of Barkley yet because we had not seen the 2018-type big runs.

Recall several posters on here put up that same scenario.

Ironic that recovering the best value on Saquon going forward was spoiled because the Giants had a good 2022 season.

Hopefully that doesn't get in the way again (just kidding)

of a strong receiving corps leads to a strong focus on shutting down Barkley for the opposing defense.

Bring in a couple more receivers and you’ll see more big runs from Barkley.

The ideal format for Barkley is about 12-15 carries per game and at least 5 targets through the air. I’d like to see them run something similar to the 49ers in terms of how they rotate CMC and Eli Mitchell.

I am very curious as what the league thinks of SB and his value contract wise moving forward.

It's hard for me to be objective about it as a Giants fan.

Daboll must put him on a pitch count and use him wisely. That also means pairing him with a really strong backup, like Pollard and Elliott in Dallas.

This roster management is part of any long term deal.

that 35 carry game mid-season. Still a very valuable player, and as others have said, he really seemed to learn the value of burrowing for 3 extra yards rather than trying to making 11 guys miss this season.

It's also no stretch to question how long he'll last. He even had a comment mid-season saying something to the effect of "I play running back in the NFL", acknowledging the cumulative wear and tear is real and he was feeling it.

Would be great if the Giants can find a Pollard type to complement him. But that's a luxury right now, there's a far greater need to build a better interior OL, and paying Saquon too much hinders that effort.

Hes nowhere near 2018 barkley

1) The Giants still do not have a consistently efficient offensive line, which will effect his production.

2) In his rookie season he had a legitimate dangerous threat on the outside in OBJ which means safeties cant cheat up and stack the box. Saquon is the only TRUE threat on the offense. Defense gear up to stop him. No one is scared of Slayton, James and Hodgins.

3) In His rookie year Shurmur used him all over. He caught 91 passes with a 75% catch rate. He was used all over. Not just out the backfield. He lined up in the slot. He lined up on the wing. Shurmur put him in positions where he would be a nightmare for a LB to cover. He hasnt been used that way consistently SINCE his rookie season.

That being said. I think he has value. I think that value is an average of 13 million a year.

In comment 16011466 section125 said:

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In comment 16011436 Producer said: Quote: and risk for decline. Proceed with caution. I wish people would stop with the injury prone/injury risk monicker. Every RB is an injury risk. Not many Henry's or CMCs in the league. Dalvin Cook is in the same boat as Saquon. He had an ACL on a hit to the side of the knee and a high ankle sprain.

If every running back is an injury risk it follows that the best strategy is to spread your money around on the position rather than loading up on one top back.

but seeing that video of him only hitting 19mph on his big run against Philly was somewhat concerning. That was a run his rookie year he easily took to the house.

As he has improved in pass protection, and playing more physical. But with that being said he is not the athlete he was as a rookie. I would love him back at the 3 year 36 million contract that has been rumored. Anything for more money or more seasons and he can walk.

Barkley, a top 5 rb, is a risk of injury after a "bounce back" year and proceed with caution but let's throw caution to the winds for the qb who was injured the two years prior, was an iffy proposition when he did play those two years and was a "bounce back" candidate this year.

that's just harsh reality, like it or not.

Unless it's Frank Gore, who's future I fear for after that many years of his body taking a beating.

I don't think Schoen is going to reach for the stars. If another team signs him away, there will by hype surrounding the signing. The talking heads will be convinced that this is that team's "final piece", and there will be "doom and gloom" from many BBI posters. Many will start call for Schoen's pink slip, irrationally.

Schoen is a value guy, and I like it. If it means losing Barkley, then so be it. Obviously we'd all like Barkley to stay, but if letting him sign elsewhere gets multiple contracts done of lesser players high value players, then in the long run, it will be a good thing.

Had over 300 carries in each of his seasons year 8 through 10 and had more than 1500 yards on the ground in each of those seasons. Get Barkley some other threats on the field and this talk about him not being an elite talent will vanish overnight.

Saquon is still a young player with not a ton of carries under his belt. I'd prefer to keep him. Hopefully they can work out the financials.

Look at the production 1,650 yds, 10 TDS, and a dual threat. The 1,650 total yards is 4th, even in our conservative offensive scheme and with defenses focusing solely on him.

$12-14M for this type of production is a good deal, a WR like this would cost $20M. Plus I'm of the opinion that our other "practice squad" level skill players on offense will look a lot worse without Barkley. Again my opinion, but a lot of the opportunities they got were because the defense would follow Barkley around. How many times did you see a fake to Barkley take the whole defense with him?

I know it is BBI's DNA to always want to get rid of your best players and not pay them for some crazy reason. Barkley is the main cog in this offense and in this team.

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Look at the production 1,650 yds, 10 TDS, and a dual threat. The 1,650 total yards is 4th, even in our conservative offensive scheme and with defenses focusing solely on him. $12-14M for this type of production is a good deal, a WR like this would cost $20M. Plus I'm of the opinion that our other "practice squad" level skill players on offense will look a lot worse without Barkley. Again my opinion, but a lot of the opportunities they got were because the defense would follow Barkley around. How many times did you see a fake to Barkley take the whole defense with him? I know it is BBI's DNA to always want to get rid of your best players and not pay them for some crazy reason. Barkley is the main cog in this offense and in this team.

And just to add one more thing, put a gun to my head am I'm keeping Barkley at $12M over Jones at $35M every day. Now I would like to keep both, but IMO the value of Barkley at that price vs Jones at that price is much greater. This is why I tag Jones.

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In comment 16011660 PatersonPlank said: Quote: Look at the production 1,650 yds, 10 TDS, and a dual threat. The 1,650 total yards is 4th, even in our conservative offensive scheme and with defenses focusing solely on him. $12-14M for this type of production is a good deal, a WR like this would cost $20M. Plus I'm of the opinion that our other "practice squad" level skill players on offense will look a lot worse without Barkley. Again my opinion, but a lot of the opportunities they got were because the defense would follow Barkley around. How many times did you see a fake to Barkley take the whole defense with him? I know it is BBI's DNA to always want to get rid of your best players and not pay them for some crazy reason. Barkley is the main cog in this offense and in this team. And just to add one more thing, put a gun to my head am I'm keeping Barkley at $12M over Jones at $35M every day. Now I would like to keep both, but IMO the value of Barkley at that price vs Jones at that price is much greater. This is why I tag Jones.

You make good points in both threads. Difference, Jones is less likely to be injured and more likely to be available each week. Plus, Jones is more likely to be playing 10 years from now as opposed to 3 years from Barkley.
Yes Barkley is the higher rated player at his position than Jones is at his. QB is a vastly more important position than running back and much harder to replace.

IMV your numbers ($12 and $35) are about were they would make the most sense.

Into OL.

Look at Philly , SF , KC - Rb are a dime a dozen.

If history is any guide, Daboll in Buffalo Never ran the ball. They still don’t.

Truth be told the last game was so horrible that both Saquon, Jones ,Kafka and Wink stock went down a bit. After Vikings everyone went parabolic with Jones being the second coming of Steve Young. Thud!
Vikings were a crappy team. The NFC East, we can't compete in yet. And Washington Commies are getting better too

I feel like the smartest franchises in the league would let Barkley go unless it's an absolute steal of a contract, and I want to be one of the smartest franchises in the league again.

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Into OL. Look at Philly , SF , KC - Rb are a dime a dozen. If history is any guide, Daboll in Buffalo Never ran the ball. They still don’t.

SF? The same SF who traded 4 draft picks for CMC? I don’t think they are a good example of the point you are desperately trying to make.

of why it doesn’t make sense to pay $12mil+ for a running back yet. He was without question our best offensive player all year, and he still was even in the limited touches he received against the Eagles. The problem is that because of the position he plays, there will be games like this past weekend where he can barely be used.

There are just too many holes on the roster, especially on the defensive side of the ball, that could lead to games that play out where they are in pass only mode and Barkley’s impact is limited. After a game like Sunday, it just makes you think that rather than spending that money on Barkley, wouldn’t it be better to use it towards plugging one of the holes on defense with a guy like Tremaine Edmunds?

In comment 16011715 bceagle05 said:

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I feel like the smartest franchises in the league would let Barkley go unless it's an absolute steal of a contract, and I want to be one of the smartest franchises in the league again.

Well put bceagle.

And of all positions, the ability to find an adequate RB replacement in the draft, for pennies on the dollar, is the smart play if contract negotiations aren't a slam dunk.

You don't lose top end speed from an ACL injury. It will effect your cutting, but SB looked elite again from that perspective. He's 100% healed from the ACL.

And how much, has to be a strictly production/financial decision. It can’t be about relationships or loyalty, …… I would be a lousy GM

I want Saquon back even though I felt a running back at 2 was just a terrible idea, because he is a Giant and I like rooting for him

Practically? An oft injured 6 th year rb, seems risky

All I know is this guy was great his rookie year and he was great again this year. Tied for team with receptions. 91 his rookie year. MORE than just a RB.
The contract is definitely a sticking point but I'm a 40 year Giants fan who wants him back.

most Giants fans were done with Barkley and wanted him off the team. The fact that many have walked that back shows how far he has come back. SB did everything we all were asking and hoping of him. His blocking improved, he ran tougher and got the dirty yards, he played a full season, he showed up big in big moments.

There is a limit to what you offer any player, and there is certainly a limit to what you offer Barkley. But to just say move on after the guy literally has done everything asked of him seems callous. I think Schoen gives it a real attempt to meet in the middle. If SB asks for too much then he leaves, but to come up with all of these excuses about his production and ability as reasons to not even negotiate is a bad look.

On a team that already needs a whole new set of wr's and obviously can't allocate those resources in the draft to a single position with all the other needs they have. You simply don't give this offense much of a shot by removing his production next year. You don't want to sign him long term - fine. But I don't see why they wouldn't atleast tag him for next season.

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most Giants fans were done with Barkley and wanted him off the team. The fact that many have walked that back shows how far he has come back. SB did everything we all were asking and hoping of him. His blocking improved, he ran tougher and got the dirty yards, he played a full season, he showed up big in big moments. There is a limit to what you offer any player, and there is certainly a limit to what you offer Barkley. But to just say move on after the guy literally has done everything asked of him seems callous. I think Schoen gives it a real attempt to meet in the middle. If SB asks for too much then he leaves, but to come up with all of these excuses about his production and ability as reasons to not even negotiate is a bad look.

if Barkley's very public statements that he doesn't want to reset the market are an indication that he believes that any money he doesn't make on a contract can easily made up with playing in New York and the endorsements that come with that.

I know its 2023 and NY isn't exactly the only place you can be a megastar, but that tends to be true mostly only for quarterbacks in football.

What other player is really nationally well known who isn't a quarterback?

Beckham? True, but for various reasons besides just football and he became a star here first.

The best WRs? Adams, Hill, Jefferson, Chase? Top of the hill, class of their positions. In our world, we know these guys. But do you see them in any commercials? (I guess Hill wouldn't be a spokesman given his off the field issues but still)>

The best RBs? Anyone see Derrick Henry in commercials? Josh Jacobs? Nick Chubb?

Even harder for defensive players. Aaron Donald is in some commercial I believe but you don't see many defensive stars in ad campaigns. JJ Watt is probably the last guy to be a big national star where the average person may at least "know of him" and recognize his face.

Barkley, even in 2021 coming off his ACL and people wondering what player he would was still used in national NFL ad campaigns and of course here in the tri state area.

For a non-QB, playing in New York is the best way to be a star.

I'm not saying that Barkley is driven solely by personal stardom, but if you are Saquon you may be thinking "Hey if I could be part of a winner here in New York, I'll be a star for life" as opposed to getting some superficial non-guaranteed money that I'll probably never see to make my new contract look sexier than it really is from some other org where I'll be forgotten about in a few years.

We don't know him personally, but Barkley seems like a saavy guy. Long term, there could be a lot more money here beyond his playing days.

once he typed out an evaluation about Barkley. Truth? No.

In comment 16011439 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't think you're too far off. Full disclosure... I thought Barkley ran gun-shy in 2021. When a player gets like that, he seldom finds his toughness again. Barkley did in 2022. I was very impressed with the way he reinvented himself as a far more physical and tougher running back. Some may remember that I posted before the season that the best scenario for the Giants was for Barkley to have a tremendous first half and then for the Giants to trade him before the deadline when his value was the highest. However, the unforeseen 6-2 start prevented that. But at the time, I posted I thought we had not seen the best of Barkley yet because we had not seen the 2018-type big runs. Problem is we never did. I'm not sure he has that extra gear anymore. And for better or worse, the Giants' coaching staff thinks his sweet spot in touches is <20 per game. He's used as much as a threat now as actual weapon. How much is that worth? I'm not sure it is $12-14 million per year.

Agree Eric. And I posted on another thread. He doesn't have that next gear to pull away anymore

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In comment 16011700 GiantsRage2007 said: Quote: Into OL. Look at Philly , SF , KC - Rb are a dime a dozen. If history is any guide, Daboll in Buffalo Never ran the ball. They still don’t. SF? The same SF who traded 4 draft picks for CMC? I don’t think they are a good example of the point you are desperately trying to make.

Desperate? Um ok. Lol

I can offer an opinion same as you.

Build the line. I think that’s more important.

on a 1 year prove it deal.

Is we had below average RB when Barkley was hurt and they clearly didn't get the job done. So no, RBs aren't a dime a dozen. Take a look at these names and tell me who you want back:

Wayne Gallman
Elijhaa Penny
Alfred Morris
Devonta Freeman
Dion Lewis
Devontae Booker

Take a look at these names. Do any of these guys scream "starting, above average RB" to you? Are any of these average RBs going to outperform Barkley on this team?

Joe Mixon
David Montgomery
Cam Akers
James Conner
AJ Dillon
Latavius Murray
Khalil Herbert
Cordarrelle Patterson
Leonard Fournette
Antonio Gibson
D'Andre Swift
J.K. Dobbins
James Cook
Kenyan Drake
Rachaad White
Kareem Hunt
Chuba Hubbard

But do agree with your premise. When I look at the cap and the number of guys we would like to re-sign, then the number of positions we need to bolster in both FA and the draft, my first thought is "do I want to commit 12-15mil to a RB?".

As much as I love Barkley and think he's a great teammate, I just don't think doing so would be a good long term strategy, specifically since RBs trail off heavily in production as they get past 5 years in the league.

To me he was always a luxury pick and still would be a luxury re-signing.

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Is we had below average RB when Barkley was hurt and they clearly didn't get the job done. So no, RBs aren't a dime a dozen. Take a look at these names and tell me who you want back: Wayne Gallman Elijhaa Penny Alfred Morris Devonta Freeman Dion Lewis Devontae Booker Take a look at these names. Do any of these guys scream "starting, above average RB" to you? Are any of these average RBs going to outperform Barkley on this team? Joe Mixon David Montgomery Cam Akers James Conner AJ Dillon Latavius Murray Khalil Herbert Cordarrelle Patterson Leonard Fournette Antonio Gibson D'Andre Swift J.K. Dobbins James Cook Kenyan Drake Rachaad White Kareem Hunt Chuba Hubbard

Reminds me a lot of Beckham debate. "Wideouts are a dime a dozen", "Just draft em", "You don't need a stud #1 to win, just look at the 01-03 Patriots!"

And yet here we are, years later and we have the least talented WR corp in the sport.

SB had Eli, which I believe greatly helped SBs production

Then give him a multiyear deal.

thanks in advance

Barkley:

Tied for 3rd in the NFL in 20+ rushing plays with 9.
5th in Rushing TDs (10)

Tied for 3rd in 40+ rushing plays (2) (plus 1 more as a receiver)

5th in rushing first rounds (62)

4th in rushing yards (didn't play the last game)


Add in 57 more receptions.

Stop with this bologna that the guy isn't elite. You scared to pay him? Fine, but don't sell the bs that he's not a great RB right now.



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is akin to the same mistake Gettleman made in overvaluing a RB with the #2 overall pick in 2018.

The team may have made the playoffs but still has plenty of rebuilding to execute, players decisions to make, extensions to give. And now will be picking later in the draft to boot.

In certain instances the next stage of rebuilding decisions are far more important than the earlier ones.

In comment 16011729 Mike in NJ said:

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of why it doesn’t make sense to pay $12mil+ for a running back yet. He was without question our best offensive player all year, and he still was even in the limited touches he received against the Eagles. The problem is that because of the position he plays, there will be games like this past weekend where he can barely be used. There are just too many holes on the roster, especially on the defensive side of the ball, that could lead to games that play out where they are in pass only mode and Barkley’s impact is limited. After a game like Sunday, it just makes you think that rather than spending that money on Barkley, wouldn’t it be better to use it towards plugging one of the holes on defense with a guy like Tremaine Edmunds?

The only problem with this, is we never even get to this position without him.

Especially if the tag is $10 mil.

He is still young. He got back into ideal playing weight and strength instead of being too muscle bound and less flexible.

The tag for an RB is low. He is a 2 way player that can give us a level of receiving out of the backfield. We haven't seen him with a fully finished OL in front of him no a passing game that really forces teams to focus more on the passing game than him.

I think at this point, he is considered core and the Giants tend to be very good at retaining players they identify as core over recent years.

Are we trying to run here? I like our run first offense, but was that more so to maximize the roster than a long term vision of what we are trying to do?

They ran Barkley into the ground a bit, they need to utilize a 2nd and 3rd back a bit more. Or maybe they ran him into the ground knowing he wouldn't be back.

Saquon is easy to root for, I like him being a Giant. I don't think I would pay him $14M a year. Remember, you're paying for the value you expect to get from him moving forward. Had a really good year but he's hitting that age where RB's typically fall off.

Noticed the same comment from Schoen. Good catch.

that the 2018 pass catchers were all much much better players than what we had out there in 2022. Beckham/Shepard/Engram cases Atleast some attention from opposing defenses. I suspect if we had that kind of talent this year Barkley would have more room to work with and we’d be scoring more points.

As for his speed, I’m not sure what you guys are watching. The numbers back up that he’s just about on par with his rookie season. His top end speed this year was 21.3 MPH, in 2018 it was 21.9. A hair off, not some drastic downturn like some are suggesting.

So what you do with Barkley is largely contingent on how that plays out. I think Chubb money is fine though. The RB market has largely corrected, CMC signed his deal 3 years ago and a RB hasn't come within more than 75% of his AAV since. I don't think that is considered a "bad" contract either, considering what the Panthers got for trading him. This is all while other positions are exploding in value. Barkley does bring intangibles that work as a tiebreaker on a close decision as well.

If Barkley is holding out for more than you're willing to pay and you need the tag for Jones, I'm fine letting him walk. Overall though, I'd prefer to resign our own guys than shop in the first wave of UFA.

In comment 16011964 djm said:

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thanks in advance Barkley: Tied for 3rd in the NFL in 20+ rushing plays with 9. 5th in Rushing TDs (10) Tied for 3rd in 40+ rushing plays (2) (plus 1 more as a receiver) 5th in rushing first rounds (62) 4th in rushing yards (didn't play the last game) Add in 57 more receptions. Stop with this bologna that the guy isn't elite. You scared to pay him? Fine, but don't sell the bs that he's not a great RB right now. Link - ( New Window )

Question which of these 2 RBs through 8 games was elite? Which was merely good?

ATT YDS AVG TD LNG REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG
132 533 4.04 5 27 29 41 149 5.14 0 18
163 779 4.78 5 68 28 35 189 6.75 0 41

To the op, although you admitted it wasn't fact and all based on speculation and opinion. The headline is decieving as he'll.

Also, I have NO idea what game/sand RB your watching but Barkley looks fantastic and has almost the same stats as his rookie year.

That is also taking into consideration the half built Offensive Line. If you think Barkley isn't the same RB we drafted then I have no idea what you are seeing.

He is A Top 5 RB and he has stated that he isn't looking to reset the RB market, which he could easily do by not signing with NY and going all in as a FA.

Barkley is a good player. He is not a dynamic must have at all costs player though. If he ever really was, he isn't anymore.

It will depend on the money. The Giants should have a set amount they are willing to go with him. If he refuses, they should not budge.

Saquan Barkley isn't your typical RB either.

He is a threat as a receiver out of the backfield ans he can also line up In the Slot and the outside as a WIDE OUT.

Barkley is so much more than your typical RB. That in and of itself is a good reason to sign him and YES he is going to get paid between 12 and 14 million a year and that isn't top 5RB salary.

Sign this guy now. He is also the reason JONES can run and is a big part of Jones Success.

if your offensive line is playing at a high level. Otherwise, you need a guy who has above average skills to make up for it.

Why you see a plug-and-play situation at the running back position with other teams is because of their offensive line.

In comment 16012337 .McL. said:

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In comment 16011964 djm said: Quote: Question which of these 2 RBs through 8 games was elite? Which was merely good? ATT YDS AVG TD LNG REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG 132 533 4.04 5 27 29 41 149 5.14 0 18 163 779 4.78 5 68 28 35 189 6.75 0 41

Ok, yeah it was a trick question.
The bottom line is Barkley's first 8 games in 2022
The top is his last 8 games in 2022

If you are paying for him, which guy are you getting? Which is more indicative of his future play? Especially as his body degrades.