Quoted "Just taking away that first read because we knew they wanted to take us out of the game by getting away quick throws and by him extending the play with his legs,” Eagles defensive end Brandon Graham said after. “When you look at [Bills quarterback] Josh Allen and you see the system that he runs, it’s similar to what [the Giants] run; the same thing. We just played off that. Take away his first [read] and get him to move around. We gave ourselves a chance to put pressure on him. I think it’s a credit to [Eagles Defensive Coordinator Jonathan Gannon] and the coaches.”
Defense said it was "easy." Them made fun of Giants and said,"I thought the Giants were coming to town? Who was that??"
Allen hasn’t played the Eagles since Jim Schwartz was the DC. The only time Gannon ever faced Allen was as a CB coach with the Colts. They’re just saying the offense is similar, not that they’d run the same game plan.
perhaps. but this is the system Jones can run and be somewhat effective. Jones hasn't shown he can excel in a pocket passing system.
If I had to guess, Philly made a concerted effort, with either a safety or LB, to keep a spy on Jones on every play. That's the strength of Jones's game and he killed Minnesota with it. So, Philly declared early - find another approach to move the ball...
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we still lose but it would have been nice to see what impact that could have had. Lousy gameplan.
If I had to guess, Philly made a concerted effort, with either a safety or LB, to keep a spy on Jones on every play. That's the strength of Jones's game and he killed Minnesota with it. So, Philly declared early - find another approach to move the ball...
You're not going to have wide open, uncontested, QB running lanes that we saw against the Vikings when we play good defenses.
More that our OL can't sustain pass pro for long and they have great players throughout their defense.
Unless I m wrong going through your progressions. Begins with option 1
However a problem could arise if the protection breaks down before you can get to #2 or 3
As Daniel was pressured on 65% of his drop backs, seems to me it was a sound game plan by the Eagles
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to knock Jones- and you miss entirely. Notice they mention the Bills and Josh Allen- play them the same way. of course take the first read (why wouldn't you), you know your pass rush will get through. That whole statement isn't a knock on Jones, it is the reality that we have little options and basically tried to quick throw our way through teams to not expose our IOL and Neal to pass rush blocking for any longer than a quick moment.
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Unless I m wrong going through your progressions. Begins with option 1
However a problem could arise if the protection breaks down before you can get to #2 or 3
As Daniel was pressured on 65% of his drop backs, seems to me it was a sound game plan by the Eagles
There is no third read for Jones. The secret of his late season success was first read.. second read (time permitting)... run. They were coaching him to take off if the first or 2nd read wasn't there.
Jones supporters are little like Keynesian Economists. If you just print more money, it's gonna be fine. If Jones had this and that it would be fine. Print print print, the theory should work.
The post, which comes from Eagles defensive coach, merely points out what they did. They said it was easy. They said how easy it was.
I mean, I am OK with Jones resigning but he is not the second coming of Steve Young OK.
i don't take it as a knock on Jones, more a knock on our ability to protect Jones.
Color me shocked.
Try and think this one through before some of you start poking your DJ dolls with needles once again.
No surprises here
Brock Purdy's pockets were slow to break down and sometimes he had all day. And afterwards he scrambled and had the hot hands to catch his stuff. Jones O-Line was total crap. But come on, Dabs knows Neal is the Staypuff Marshmallow. So there was something clearly bad with the scheme this time around
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Is incapable of progressing to his second and third read? That seems unlikely
Unless I m wrong going through your progressions. Begins with option 1
However a problem could arise if the protection breaks down before you can get to #2 or 3
As Daniel was pressured on 65% of his drop backs, seems to me it was a sound game plan by the Eagles
There is no third read for Jones. The secret of his late season success was first read.. second read (time permitting)... run. They were coaching him to take off if the first or 2nd read wasn't there.
Worked pretty well. Seems the coaches tried to mitigate perceived deficiencies of the offense
That's a good point. Jones was getting better looking away from first read last 2 games but I guess he regressed and stared down his primary target.
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to knock Jones- and you miss entirely. Notice they mention the Bills and Josh Allen- play them the same way. of course take the first read (why wouldn't you), you know your pass rush will get through. That whole statement isn't a knock on Jones, it is the reality that we have little options and basically tried to quick throw our way through teams to not expose our IOL and Neal to pass rush blocking for any longer than a quick moment.
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Because our OL apart from Thomas is good at pass pro? Because our WRs are in the same zip code as most other highly contending teams?
I would take a moment to consider DJ needs to be judged in the context of the talent around him vs judged by stats only . Hurts didnt magically become great, nor did Allen, or Lawrence , or Tua. Each ones production increased when they got another #1 WR added to their team. On the other side of the coin Herbert suddenly kinda sucked and so did Rogers for much of the year. When Herbert got his recievers back from injury he played better and when the light bulb went of for Watson so did Rogers.
Not one of any of the recivers DJ had in his entire career would be even a number 2 on almost any Eli manning team. Maybe only one starter beats out his OL of Diehl Snee OHara Suebert McKenzie
Jones supporters are little like Keynesian Economists. If you just print more money, it's gonna be fine. If Jones had this and that it would be fine. Print print print, the theory should work.
The post, which comes from Eagles defensive coach, merely points out what they did. They said it was easy. They said how easy it was.
I mean, I am OK with Jones resigning but he is not the second coming of Steve Young OK.
Well aren't you Einstein..I could tell you how the defend Jones - Detroit did it, too.
This time they doubled Hodgins to take away the quick read, they ran through Neal like he wasn't there and spied on Jones to prevent the QB runs.
Eagles have a very, very good defense and they did it to most teams the entire year. A team with limited offensive weapons, like the Giants, is easy to defend when your defense is that good and the oline that bad...
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meanwhile if you read the quote they defend Josh Allen the same exact way.
Allen hasn’t played the Eagles since Jim Schwartz was the DC. The only time Gannon ever faced Allen was as a CB coach with the Colts. They’re just saying the offense is similar, not that they’d run the same game plan.
Came here to say this...yeah, the Eagles haven't played Buffalo since 2019.
Also, and I know, this is going to be quite the controversial statement...but maybe, just MAYBE, Josh Allen is a lot better than Daniel Jones and is able to still make plays happen very often even if you do take away his first read?
I think the takeaway here is they had a game plan to take away Hodgins. Hodgins had 8 catches on 9 targets against Minnesota, 4 for 5 in the Colts, 8 for 12 in the first Minnesota game.
I'm curious to see what Sy says or if he saw something in the All-22, but it looked like there was a lot of coverage on the crossers and intermediate area of the field where Daniel really likes to work as well.
The Giants are going to need to get a receiver that is a legitimate downfield threat to command safety attention so that these underneath throwing lanes aren't so clogged. And Daniel has to not be afraid to cut it loose sometimes.
There were occasions in my watch of the game that Daniel didn't take a throw because the receiver was covered, but in some spots you have to trust your receiver to make a play and give him a chance, if it's one-on-one. There were times where the receiver had a 2-yard cushion, and Daniel didn't make the throw. That is where you can "throw your receiver open."
It was a great game plan by the Eagles. I expect that if they played that way against Josh Allen, he'd beat them over the top. Giants need their version of Gabe Davis. Hell, Stephon Diggs, too.
Hodgins is a good receiver to stick around but obviously he's more of a complementary piece.
Another thing that Allen does is he hits Knox on deep outs and seams. Bellinger might not have that sort of deep ability, he's also better on those short and intermediate routes, maybe. Hard to say because I haven't really seen them try Bellinger on those types of routes. It maybe that is because he's not that kind of TE, or it may be that is just not in their scheme. If it's the former, another TE that can stretch the middle or get deep on the outside would be a nice-to-have. Not more important than the critical upgrades at WR.
But the more I look at Hodgins, I think he could be really good as a slot. Not the same kind of slot as a Wan'Dale, who is really explosive out of breaks, but a bigger slot who runs good routes, catches just about everything, and is a bigger target.
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Jones supporters are little like Keynesian Economists. If you just print more money, it's gonna be fine. If Jones had this and that it would be fine. Print print print, the theory should work.
The post, which comes from Eagles defensive coach, merely points out what they did. They said it was easy. They said how easy it was.
I mean, I am OK with Jones resigning but he is not the second coming of Steve Young OK.
Well aren't you Einstein..I could tell you how the defend Jones - Detroit did it, too.
This time they doubled Hodgins to take away the quick read, they ran through Neal like he wasn't there and spied on Jones to prevent the QB runs.
Eagles have a very, very good defense and they did it to most teams the entire year. A team with limited offensive weapons, like the Giants, is easy to defend when your defense is that good and the oline that bad...
They can gameplan and scheme to a point but when the talent disparity is stark and the other team has a good gameplan themselves, guys like Hodgins Slayton and James are going to get contained enough for the opposing pass-rush to get home against the likes of our pass protectors.
Jones supporters are little like Keynesian Economists. If you just print more money, it's gonna be fine. If Jones had this and that it would be fine. Print print print, the theory should work.
The post, which comes from Eagles defensive coach, merely points out what they did. They said it was easy. They said how easy it was.
I mean, I am OK with Jones resigning but he is not the second coming of Steve Young OK.
I like your football take better than your economics take.
It is what it is. However, ultimately, of course the Giants were going to go to a quick read for Jones. They knew their OL wasn't going to hold up to the Philly pass rush. So did Philly. This was a mismatch, Giants weren't ready for them. Odds are this group is going to win the Super Bowl.
However, that said, I know they have the 10th pick, but a lot of their key players/leaders are older. Graham is 35 and likely won't be back. Neither will Cox. Kelce will retire. Johnson getting older. That team will have a target on their back all next year & will have a turnover on the roster with no guarantee their younger guys will necessarily be as good as the those they are replacing, which is what people are assuming.
Giants are going to close the gap on them quicker than people realize. I just hope they keep the camera on Sirianni's dumb ass face when they do flip the script on them. Also, watch the fans turn on him as soon as it happens. They are all playing to a mouthbreathing fan base who will throw them out the second they start losing.
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what he first read was on every play?
That's a good point. Jones was getting better looking away from first read last 2 games but I guess he regressed and stared down his primary target.
They 'know' the first read of a play based on film study of the offense and tendencies. They aren't going to get it right every time but they probably deduced it part of the time.
WFT second game third drive is where the switched up. Instead of running as they had in previous weeks and not getting enough desired results they used the quick PG on early downs.
All comes back to the same things. We still have a LOS problem against the better fronts.
From yesterday I believe JS is well aware of it and it will get a lot of attention imv on both sides.
But we knew as soon as the offense stumbled everyone would be back out of their hiding places. "See?? See??"
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But we knew as soon as the offense stumbled everyone would be back out of their hiding places. "See?? See??"
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Who are these posters that were hiding? Not me, not Jon, not ajr, I have no idea who you're talking about.
All over philly sports radio the debate is if this is the greatest Eagles team ever assembled
You hate to say it but this is very true. They are well coached to boot. Hard to find a weakness and many areas on the team are high level strengths. The hope was Hurts wasn't the real deal but once he got AJ Brown in Sirianni's QB friendly offense he took off.
Hopefully NYG closes the gap this offseason.
I think they now have a coaching stuff that can create a masterpeice if you give them the ingredients and we have cap space and maneuverability if we want to.
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to knock Jones- and you miss entirely. Notice they mention the Bills and Josh Allen- play them the same way. of course take the first read (why wouldn't you), you know your pass rush will get through. That whole statement isn't a knock on Jones, it is the reality that we have little options and basically tried to quick throw our way through teams to not expose our IOL and Neal to pass rush blocking for any longer than a quick moment.
This.
So much this