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Eagles won four games in 2020

exiled : 1/24/2023 12:52 pm
Four.
Two off seasons later, they arguably have the best squad in the NFL. I think about that every time I read that we are “years away” from having a team like the Eagles or the Niners. Sometimes “light” years. Now, technically, two off seasons are years (plural). But that was a quick turnaround. How likely—or unlikely—is it that our team might be closer to being competitive with the big boys than expected?
Schoen can now start from non-DG “scratch”  
Big Blue '56 : 1/24/2023 12:54 pm : link
and with money to play with
The NFL is designed for teams to improve quickly  
Ben in Tampa : 1/24/2023 1:05 pm : link
The fact the Giants were terrible for a decade is actually harder than fielding a competitive team year-to-year.

RE: The NFL is designed for teams to improve quickly  
Porch622 : 1/24/2023 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16012093 Ben in Tampa said:
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The fact the Giants were terrible for a decade is actually harder than fielding a competitive team year-to-year.


Good point.
I'd say the Eagles are a best-case scenario  
DieHard : 1/24/2023 1:33 pm : link
Like us, they took their salary cap medicine in 2021 and somehow managed to field a competitive team. But they also had mainstays on the O line (Kelce and Johnson) they could build around, and Roseman knocked it out of the park with his draft pick maneuvers and trades (AJ Brown, DaVonta Smith), not to mention stealing players like Bradberry for good value.

With all the long-term deals we need to get done for core players, I don't see us being able to make a similar splash. I just hope Schoen, Brown and co. can ace this draft, and the rookies who missed playing time this year can step up.
The Eagles had a bad QB in Carson Wentz.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/24/2023 1:48 pm : link
They ripped off the band-aid and moved on to Jalen Hurts. Hurts wasn't good at first but he's very cheap, and that gave the Eagles a lot of cap space to work with. Now he's an MVP candidate and getting paid peanuts by NFL QB standards.

Daniel Jones > Carson Wentz, I don't think the Giants need to move on from him, but he's about to get paid. The Giants have cap space but not as much as the Eagles have had.

On the other hand, the Giants seem to have had a good 2022 draft and have at least 9 (maybe 11) picks in the next draft. If last year's picks return healthy and they have another good draft this year, they can upgrade the roster pretty fast.
RE: Schoen can now start from non-DG “scratch”  
djm : 1/24/2023 1:58 pm : link
In comment 16012070 Big Blue '56 said:
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and with money to play with


What's also nice is he has some players to work with already. The rebuild is over. Now it's time to go from good to great.
I just don't understand why people keep saying "years away"  
Producer : 1/24/2023 2:05 pm : link
Turnarounds happen quickly if the organization is smart.
Also look at SF  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/24/2023 3:29 pm : link
After 2013 they tore down their team and rebuilt it again while we were crap the whole time Schoen will keep building via the draft
Eagles 2020  
NINEster : 1/24/2023 5:56 pm : link
is hard to say.

Keep in mind they won the Bowl in 2017, so the question is how much of that SB roster was remaining by 2020?

IMO, they had some kind of setback in 2020 that really set their success back a lot. It's like the Niners 2020 and 2018 seasons which were very injury riddled....basically no QB for majority of those two seasons, and for the latter they had Bosa, Kittle, Sherman, etc. out a bunch of games.

If Brandon Graham is still on the roster, then that's saying a lot. They probably have a bunch of other guys that were good from the SB team.
RE: Also look at SF  
NINEster : 1/24/2023 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16012461 Paulie Walnuts said:
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After 2013 they tore down their team and rebuilt it again while we were crap the whole time Schoen will keep building via the draft


2013?

You're probably thinking 2017.

The only Niner from the 2017 roster remaining is Jimmie Ward, and occasional practice squad guy Dontae Johnson (both drafted in Harbaugh's last season, 2014).
4 w season was an anomaly  
bc4life : 1/25/2023 8:05 am : link
13-3 win SB, then 9-7, 9-7, then 4 wins
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Sean : 1/25/2023 8:19 am : link
I agree. I’ve almost made this point. The key is to hit on the draft. The Eagles hit on their picks. They ran circles around Gettleman & Judge when they maneuvered the draft and stole Devonta Smith. They take calculated risks. Landon Dickerson fell in the draft due to injury concerns but had talent, the Eagles take him and now he’s a huge force in their IOL. They did the same with Nakobe Dean.

Roseman is also brilliant in managing assets and stockpiling future picks. The top roster in the NFL and they have the 10th pick in the draft.

As for the Giants, if they nail this upcoming draft in combination with Neal developing and Wan’Dale Robinson contributing to the passing game, this team can make another big jump next year.
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