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Am I way off base here? Davis Webb > Tyrod Taylor

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/24/2023 2:47 pm
Not let me get this out of the way first. Taylor has WAY more real-game experience (53 starts) to Webb's one start. Both have been with multiple teams and Taylor is the guy who has played, not Webb.

But I thought Webb looked pretty good in the 2022 preseason. And in his only start of the year, against the Eagles, he made some plays and didn't make any costly mistakes. This despite playing with backups against one of the best defenses in football.

What also causes me to wonder is that when Taylor did play in garbage time this year, he threw one interception and fumbled twice. He seemed pretty reckless with the ball, and if I remember correctly, there were times in the preseason where I thought, "he got lucky there."

I don't even know if Webb is going to play another game, but I thought Webb did well this year when given a chance.
to me it isn't off base  
djm : 1/24/2023 2:48 pm : link
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If we move forward with Jones, even on a short term deal  
BigBlue7 : 1/24/2023 2:48 pm : link
I'd like to see them draft a QB in the middle rounds and cut ties with Taylor
tallest  
pjcas18 : 1/24/2023 2:49 pm : link
midget contest. does it matter?
I thought Webb looked better  
.McL. : 1/24/2023 2:51 pm : link
And cheaper
Fixed!  
robbieballs2003 : 1/24/2023 2:51 pm : link
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He seemed pretty reckless with the ball his body, ...
RE: tallest  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/24/2023 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16012342 pjcas18 said:
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midget contest. does it matter?


Normally, I would agree. But what did Webb do poorly when he played (preseason and regular season)?
I was butthurt  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/24/2023 2:51 pm : link
when they canned Webb. Felt the same way about Lauletta so...
Davis looked better  
kash94 : 1/24/2023 2:52 pm : link
granted the sample size wasn't great.

I'd be surprised if they cut Taylor. Would leave a pretty big cap hit if so.
RE: RE: tallest  
pjcas18 : 1/24/2023 2:53 pm : link
In comment 16012350 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16012342 pjcas18 said:


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midget contest. does it matter?



Normally, I would agree. But what did Webb do poorly when he played (preseason and regular season)?


I thought he looked ok, kind of like Daniel Jones-lite. Not someone I want starting games the team needs to win.
I thought he played well  
Sean : 1/24/2023 2:58 pm : link
I think though the Giants need an upgrade at backup QB. Taylor can’t stay healthy. Jones is a dual threat and the running is great, but with that comes injury. So I’d definitely draft someone to develop with a similar skill set.

Webb looked very slow compared to Jones.
Most likely . . .  
dschwarz in westchester : 1/24/2023 2:59 pm : link
. . . the Eagles kept their Defensive playbook against Webb very vanilla given the circumstances. As such, it was probably very much like a Pre-Season game for Webb.

Honestly I don't have a ton of confidence in either of them winning an NFL regular season game. But given that scenario, I would go with the cheaper/younger guy (Webb); especially since he's apparently a real asset in terms of knowing the system (coaches kid, etc.).
I thought during the preseason  
Chip : 1/24/2023 3:03 pm : link
Webb had beaten him out but Taylors contract next season is guaranteed which mean he will be here.
Webb threw 2 or 3 balls that easily could have been picked  
Jints in Carolina : 1/24/2023 3:03 pm : link
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Webb  
Toth029 : 1/24/2023 3:04 pm : link
Didn't look anything above ordinary to me but he's a smart kid.

Taylor is just not good anymore. And they paid him, that's the problem.
Water under the bridge now  
FranknWeezer : 1/24/2023 3:05 pm : link
but Taylor also cancelled out a 6th Round Compensatory Draft Pick. It was somewhat 'comforting' to have him rostered after the 2021 debacle with the likes of Glennon and Fromm, but once we saw that Davis Webb could effectively run the offense, it probably made many of us feel like Taylor was an unnecessary addition.
I’m waiting  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/24/2023 3:06 pm : link
For someone to say you’re way off base. LOL
Webb can be my backup QB any day of the week  
chick310 : 1/24/2023 3:08 pm : link
He's a gamer.
Taylor's contract was a mistake from the get go  
jvm52106 : 1/24/2023 3:14 pm : link
and the one "oopps" from last year. But, his contract also reflects just how much this group wasn't sure about Jones heading into their first season in charge.

Regardless of Taylor's contract there is no guarantee he will be here. A rookie would easily be able to take his place cheaply.

I think Webb becomes our QB coach/ Off. Assistant.
RE: Taylor's contract was a mistake from the get go  
BigBlue7 : 1/24/2023 3:20 pm : link
In comment 16012414 jvm52106 said:
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and the one "oopps" from last year. But, his contract also reflects just how much this group wasn't sure about Jones heading into their first season in charge.

Regardless of Taylor's contract there is no guarantee he will be here. A rookie would easily be able to take his place cheaply.

I think Webb becomes our QB coach/ Off. Assistant.


I think you are underestimating the importance of having a QB in the meetings and on practice field in April-August who knew Daboll's offense
I think Tyrod is an actual NFL QB, albeit a backup  
Anakim : 1/24/2023 3:23 pm : link
Whereas Webb should be a coach
welp  
BigBlue7 : 1/24/2023 3:24 pm : link
Adam Schefter
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Giants’ backup QB Davis Webb, who was offered Buffalo’s QB coach job last off-season, has expressed interest in starting the transition from player to coach. After securing his first NFL start this season, Webb will consider making the jump to coaching for the right opportunity.
Taylor's problem is health  
widmerseyebrow : 1/24/2023 3:27 pm : link
It seems like you have to hold your breath that he'll be able to finish the game, let alone start for a 2-4 game stretch. I think he has been one of Schoen's biggest misfires.
Taylor seems like he is done  
SomeFan : 1/24/2023 3:29 pm : link
but I guess he is on a two year deal so we'll go with him next season.
I don't know about you, but  
Gman11 : 1/24/2023 3:29 pm : link
I thought the Eagles, once they got a 19-0 lead, mailed it in the rest of the game.

Webb did nothing when the game was in the early stages. He came on when the winner was already decided.

I wouldn't expect someone like you to use preseason games in your evaluation. There are a lot of preseason heroes turn out to be duds when they have to face starters every game.
I hope they keep Webb around  
blueblood : 1/24/2023 3:53 pm : link
as a coach. Especially since he has a relationship with DJ.
Taylor is a wild runner  
MeanBunny : 1/24/2023 5:12 pm : link
He really did some dumb runs in open field and got creamed. He was really good at Buffalo, but has he lost a few marbles and steps after those massive hits?
Webb can’t read the field  
cosmicj : 1/24/2023 5:16 pm : link
I think he’s a pretty poor 3rd QB. Maybe Taylor has declined but he’s a bona fide NFL player.

So you’re way off base. :)
RE: Taylor is a wild runner  
Ivan15 : 1/24/2023 5:23 pm : link
In comment 16012640 MeanBunny said:
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He really did some dumb runs in open field and got creamed. He was really good at Buffalo, but has he lost a few marbles and steps after those massive hits?
Taylor has been a more than adequate player when pressed into a starting role, but his starting experience ended a couple of seasons ago. I think he only got a few starts in 2021. This past pre-season and season, it seemed that Taylor got hurt every time he played. And I think he is pushing 33 now.
I am glad they Webb a start but I don’t have confidence in him as primary backup. Giants need to make the same deal with him they made last season and see if he can beat out Taylor. I guess you can’t designate a player as coach of the practice squad and keep him as a practice squad player too.
I feel exactly the same way  
JFIB : 1/24/2023 5:35 pm : link
Taylor is way to reckless with the ball. Webb looked good enough to me to be a back up in this system in his limited opportunities.
IMO you need 3 QBs. A starter, a back up, and a developmental  
Marty in Albany : 1/24/2023 5:38 pm : link
A proper back up should be able to fill in for a few games and hold his own. I don't think either Webb or Taylor are good enough for that.

If we're going to lose all the games that Jones can't play in, we might as well replace them both.
RE: IMO you need 3 QBs. A starter, a back up, and a developmental  
MeanBunny : 1/24/2023 5:50 pm : link
Interesting point. Usually the developmental is going to require a veteran to teach him the ropes. And that person may not be(usually is NOT) the starter who has a vested interest in the developmental flunk out. Eli didn't want to do it. Brady threw Jimmy G under the bus and had him kicked out etc.
Webb is probably a much better tactical coach than Taylor or Jones-primarily because Webb is more pocket pass and not running like a bunny.
Part of Taylor’s 2023 base salary is guaranteed  
cosmicj : 1/24/2023 10:05 pm : link
And cutting him creates a reasonably chunky cap hit.

I think the Giants may draft a developmental Qb in the middle rounds. That’s particularly interesting after Schoen scouting Howell so thoroughly last year and the news that he will start in Washington next season (at least for now).
I think you're way off base, yes  
BillKo : 1/24/2023 10:28 pm : link
Webb was actually the best looking QB in the preseason.

But that's because he played versus the weakest competition and he knew the offense. Big advantage.

He did ok in his start versus the Eagles, but as someone said most of the damage was done at 19-0.

There's a reason why he's becoming a coach.

If Taylor is released, someone will pick him up.

No one is picking up Webb.
They’re extremely different qbs  
JoeSchoens11 : 1/24/2023 10:53 pm : link
…aside from both having accuracy issues.

TT has a gunslinger mentality without a gunslinger arm, capable of great off-schedule plays and passes that end up nowhere near the target. Webb has a good arm but doesn’t look to push the ball downfield (where his accuracy is pretty bad).

Aside from this year, TT hasn’t been turnover prone. He’s as elusive as anyone outside of LJax. Once age robs him of that, I’d put him in Webb’s class…which is not starter-level.

Use the draft  
upnyg : 1/25/2023 12:14 am : link
let these guys move on, neither will really play well over an extended time.
RE: Webb  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 1/25/2023 12:26 am : link
In comment 16012387 Toth029 said:
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Didn't look anything above ordinary to me but he's a smart kid.

Taylor is just not good anymore. And they paid him, that's the problem.


Agree. Tyrod isn’t the same player he was in Buffalo. He was absolute trash with the Texans (even considering circumstances) and he didn’t look that great in the action he got here. Disappointing bc I was hopeful with the signing.
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