Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That isn’t creative, that’s lowballing him. Why would Barkley agree to an incentive laden deal when he can walk into FA and get more guaranteed money? He’s not in prove it mode, he’s a top tier player at his position. The only way his price comes down is if we do a deal with Jones and free up the tag.
This team has to stop overpaying for guys like we are a few folks away rather than knowing we need to beef up this roster in so many places! So many places!!!!
RE: RE: This is where I would love some creativity.
Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That isn’t creative, that’s lowballing him. Why would Barkley agree to an incentive laden deal when he can walk into FA and get more guaranteed money? He’s not in prove it mode, he’s a top tier player at his position. The only way his price comes down is if we do a deal with Jones and free up the tag.
Matt didn't say incentives, he said more gtd. Kind of like what the Vikings did with Cousins(except less money).
If Barkley thinks he can get 4-60 with 30 gtd on the open market, maybe they can agree to 3/30, but fully gtd.
The Giants can and should explore other options that are cheaper at RB. The Eagles are a perfect example of that.
Barkley is NOT the same back from 2018 but he isn't that far off. But, the league continues to minimize the Bell Cow back- outside of Derrick Henry. Barkley was being used more as a weapon (Kamara like) but his passing game usage was hit and miss game to game. I would rather we have multiple backs that can be used and use money for weapons at TE, WR (at least two) and another Olmen (interior).
RE: RE: RE: RE: This is where I would love some creativity.
If the Giants are offering the franchise tag figure and he's asking $16, then maybe they can meet in the middle. But if not, well, they'd get a nice comp pick if he got that money elsewhere.
Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That isn’t creative, that’s lowballing him. Why would Barkley agree to an incentive laden deal when he can walk into FA and get more guaranteed money? He’s not in prove it mode, he’s a top tier player at his position. The only way his price comes down is if we do a deal with Jones and free up the tag.
Matt didn't say incentives, he said more gtd. Kind of like what the Vikings did with Cousins(except less money).
If Barkley thinks he can get 4-60 with 30 gtd on the open market, maybe they can agree to 3/30, but fully gtd.
I misread, but that doesn’t make sense either. I don’t think there’s any getting cute with top players.
Yesterday or two days ago that he knows his injuries will prevent him from resetting the RB market? Which to me says this BR article is complete horseshit.
If I guaranteed you a repeat of Barkleys 2022 every year for the next five years - would you sign him to a 5 year $80mm contract?
Add in the increased injury risk of a RB, and his specific injury history. Would you still give him that contract?
Add in aging RB progressions, whatever that is. Do you still sign him to that deal?
And all of that is assuming the 2022 Barkley is here to stay - and I still don't give him that contract...
should completely walk away from Barkley. Let someone else pay money to have his decline years. Use that money on the OL or DL or to fix LBers. Draft a RB in round 3 or 4.
I actually think the best of Saquon is yet to come
In terms of his production. With that said, the Giants are in no position to offer him a contract at 16 mil/per. I think a dream scenario would be for Jones to accept a 2 year $60-70 million dollar contract and put Barkley on the franchise tag which would allow for flexibility moving forward but Its most likely not realistic.
Yesterday or two days ago that he knows his injuries will prevent him from resetting the RB market? Which to me says this BR article is complete horseshit.
I'd rather spend money signing that guard from the Eagles and Boston Scott... Eagles and even Dallas rb by committee but it takes a good oline at $16 mill I'd say we will miss you
no way I’d go above that. Someone posted a list of free agent RB’s on here the other day. We could sign one of them for less and draft another one with one of the extra third rounders.
someone will pay him that. I don't believe it will or should be the Giants.
I also don't begrudge SB for trying to maximize his potential while he can. It's most likely his only chance at a big payday.
I don't know if there is a team willing to fork out that asking price.
But I do agree that Team Barkley should be going for the most money ever for a RB. Just like I think Team Jones should be asking for at least $35M AAV with a $100M guaranteed.
This is going to be Schoen's most important off-season at the GM. Now he has the opportunity to really put his fingerprints on this team after spending his first year as a HazMat specialist trying to clean up Gettleman's mess.
no way I’d go above that. Someone posted a list of free agent RB’s on here the other day. We could sign one of them for less and draft another one with one of the extra third rounders.
Kareem Hunt RB CLE UFA Market Value
Rashaad Penny RB SEA UFA -
Jamaal Williams RB DET UFA Market Value
Josh Jacobs RB LV UFA Market Value
Mark Ingram RB NO UFA -
Rex Burkhead RB HOU UFA -
Raheem Mostert RB MIA UFA Market Value
D'Onta Foreman RB CAR UFA Market Value
Mike Boone RB DEN UFA -
Boston Scott RB PHI UFA -
Samaje Perine RB CIN UFA Market Value
Ronald Jones II RB KC UFA -
Miles Sanders RB PHI UFA Market Value
Giovani Bernard RB TB UFA -
Taiwan Jones RB BUF UFA -
Jerick McKinnon RB KC UFA -
D’Ernest Johnson RB CLE UFA Market Value
Darrel Williams RB ARI UFA -
Matt Breida RB NYG UFA -
Dontrell Hilliard RB TEN UFA -
Ameer Abdullah RB LV UFA -
Dwayne Washington RB NO UFA -
Trenton Cannon RB TEN UFA -
Royce Freeman RB HOU UFA -
Latavius Murray RB DEN UFA -
David Johnson RB NO UFA -
Jeff Wilson RB MIA UFA Market Value
Jonathan Williams RB WAS UFA -
Kenyan Drake RB BAL UFA -
Justin Jackson RB DET UFA -
Marlon Mack RB DEN UFA -
Malcolm Brown RB LAR UFA -
David Montgomery RB CHI UFA Market Value
Devin Singletary RB BUF UFA Market Value
Damien Harris RB NE UFA Market Value
Alexander Mattison RB MIN UFA Market Value
Trayveon Williams RB CIN UFA -
Justice Hill RB BAL UFA -
Benny Snell Jr. RB PIT UFA -
Tony Pollard RB DAL UFA Market Value
Ty Johnson RB NYJ UFA -
Travis Homer RB SEA UFA -
Myles Gaskin RB MIA UFA -
Salvon Ahmed RB MIA RFA -
JaMycal Hasty RB JAC RFA -
Jaret Patterson RB WAS RFA -
Rico Dowdle RB DAL RFA -
James Robinson RB NYJ RFA Market Value
Jake Funk RB IND ERFA -
Deon Jackson RB IND ERFA -
And only teams that just need that final player to put them over the top on offense. The Bills and Lions come to mind.
I love Saquon, but a high dollar commitment over four or five years makes little sense. I would either do a "tag, tender and trade" or let him walk and get the compensatory pick.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is where I would love some creativity.
Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That's not being creative. That's being irresponsible by mortgaging your future on a position that has a history of dropping off a cliff.
He's 25 years old, lets not write his obituary.yet.
So, you think adding voidable years to have guaranteed money split over longer years so we take a cap hit in like 2027 for a RB is smart?
Probably not, but its not because I expect SB to fall off a cliff.
Selective reading. Guaranteeing a whole contract for a RB is insane. Barkley has been injured most of his career already. The point is simple, don't mortgaging the future for a win now type of player.
I also don't begrudge SB for trying to maximize his potential while he can. It's most likely his only chance at a big payday.
I'm not so sure he'll get that anywhere.
The franchise tag for RB next year is projected to be 10M.
That's not being creative. That's being irresponsible by mortgaging your future on a position that has a history of dropping off a cliff.
That isn’t creative, that’s lowballing him. Why would Barkley agree to an incentive laden deal when he can walk into FA and get more guaranteed money? He’s not in prove it mode, he’s a top tier player at his position. The only way his price comes down is if we do a deal with Jones and free up the tag.
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Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That's not being creative. That's being irresponsible by mortgaging your future on a position that has a history of dropping off a cliff.
He's 25 years old, lets not write his obituary.yet.
Me too.
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Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That's not being creative. That's being irresponsible by mortgaging your future on a position that has a history of dropping off a cliff.
He's 25 years old, lets not write his obituary.yet.
So, you think adding voidable years to have guaranteed money split over longer years so we take a cap hit in like 2027 for a RB is smart?
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Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That isn’t creative, that’s lowballing him. Why would Barkley agree to an incentive laden deal when he can walk into FA and get more guaranteed money? He’s not in prove it mode, he’s a top tier player at his position. The only way his price comes down is if we do a deal with Jones and free up the tag.
Matt didn't say incentives, he said more gtd. Kind of like what the Vikings did with Cousins(except less money).
If Barkley thinks he can get 4-60 with 30 gtd on the open market, maybe they can agree to 3/30, but fully gtd.
You see what I am getting at here?
You see what I am getting at here?
He has no choice... It's going to have to be a big one too.
Go with Breida, Brightwell and draft a RB like other teams....in the 4th or 5th round.....
Sign Boston Scott to round it out.
The Giants can and should explore other options that are cheaper at RB. The Eagles are a perfect example of that.
Barkley is NOT the same back from 2018 but he isn't that far off. But, the league continues to minimize the Bell Cow back- outside of Derrick Henry. Barkley was being used more as a weapon (Kamara like) but his passing game usage was hit and miss game to game. I would rather we have multiple backs that can be used and use money for weapons at TE, WR (at least two) and another Olmen (interior).
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Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That's not being creative. That's being irresponsible by mortgaging your future on a position that has a history of dropping off a cliff.
He's 25 years old, lets not write his obituary.yet.
So, you think adding voidable years to have guaranteed money split over longer years so we take a cap hit in like 2027 for a RB is smart?
Probably not, but its not because I expect SB to fall off a cliff.
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Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That isn’t creative, that’s lowballing him. Why would Barkley agree to an incentive laden deal when he can walk into FA and get more guaranteed money? He’s not in prove it mode, he’s a top tier player at his position. The only way his price comes down is if we do a deal with Jones and free up the tag.
Matt didn't say incentives, he said more gtd. Kind of like what the Vikings did with Cousins(except less money).
If Barkley thinks he can get 4-60 with 30 gtd on the open market, maybe they can agree to 3/30, but fully gtd.
I misread, but that doesn’t make sense either. I don’t think there’s any getting cute with top players.
Add in the increased injury risk of a RB, and his specific injury history. Would you still give him that contract?
Add in aging RB progressions, whatever that is. Do you still sign him to that deal?
And all of that is assuming the 2022 Barkley is here to stay - and I still don't give him that contract...
It's coming from Ralph.
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Jets are loaded at RB. They don't need him.
I also don't begrudge SB for trying to maximize his potential while he can. It's most likely his only chance at a big payday.
I don't know if there is a team willing to fork out that asking price.
But I do agree that Team Barkley should be going for the most money ever for a RB. Just like I think Team Jones should be asking for at least $35M AAV with a $100M guaranteed.
This is going to be Schoen's most important off-season at the GM. Now he has the opportunity to really put his fingerprints on this team after spending his first year as a HazMat specialist trying to clean up Gettleman's mess.
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Question which of these 2 RBs through 8 games was elite? Which was merely good?
ATT YDS AVG TD LNG REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG
132 533 4.04 5 27 29 41 149 5.14 0 18
163 779 4.78 5 68 28 35 189 6.75 0 41
Ok, yeah it was a trick question.
The bottom line is Barkley's first 8 games in 2022
The top is his last 8 games in 2022
If you are paying for him, which guy are you getting? Which is more indicative of his future play? Especially as his body degrades.
Kareem Hunt RB CLE UFA Market Value
Rashaad Penny RB SEA UFA -
Jamaal Williams RB DET UFA Market Value
Josh Jacobs RB LV UFA Market Value
Mark Ingram RB NO UFA -
Rex Burkhead RB HOU UFA -
Raheem Mostert RB MIA UFA Market Value
D'Onta Foreman RB CAR UFA Market Value
Mike Boone RB DEN UFA -
Boston Scott RB PHI UFA -
Samaje Perine RB CIN UFA Market Value
Ronald Jones II RB KC UFA -
Miles Sanders RB PHI UFA Market Value
Giovani Bernard RB TB UFA -
Taiwan Jones RB BUF UFA -
Jerick McKinnon RB KC UFA -
D’Ernest Johnson RB CLE UFA Market Value
Darrel Williams RB ARI UFA -
Matt Breida RB NYG UFA -
Dontrell Hilliard RB TEN UFA -
Ameer Abdullah RB LV UFA -
Dwayne Washington RB NO UFA -
Trenton Cannon RB TEN UFA -
Royce Freeman RB HOU UFA -
Latavius Murray RB DEN UFA -
David Johnson RB NO UFA -
Jeff Wilson RB MIA UFA Market Value
Jonathan Williams RB WAS UFA -
Kenyan Drake RB BAL UFA -
Justin Jackson RB DET UFA -
Marlon Mack RB DEN UFA -
Malcolm Brown RB LAR UFA -
David Montgomery RB CHI UFA Market Value
Devin Singletary RB BUF UFA Market Value
Damien Harris RB NE UFA Market Value
Alexander Mattison RB MIN UFA Market Value
Trayveon Williams RB CIN UFA -
Justice Hill RB BAL UFA -
Benny Snell Jr. RB PIT UFA -
Tony Pollard RB DAL UFA Market Value
Ty Johnson RB NYJ UFA -
Travis Homer RB SEA UFA -
Myles Gaskin RB MIA UFA -
Salvon Ahmed RB MIA RFA -
JaMycal Hasty RB JAC RFA -
Jaret Patterson RB WAS RFA -
Rico Dowdle RB DAL RFA -
James Robinson RB NYJ RFA Market Value
Jake Funk RB IND ERFA -
Deon Jackson RB IND ERFA -
RB list that I've seen in decades.
I love Saquon, but a high dollar commitment over four or five years makes little sense. I would either do a "tag, tender and trade" or let him walk and get the compensatory pick.
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Can we find a way to pay him a lower salary, but guarantee more money over a longer contract that will likely never get met in terms of length?
That's not being creative. That's being irresponsible by mortgaging your future on a position that has a history of dropping off a cliff.
He's 25 years old, lets not write his obituary.yet.
So, you think adding voidable years to have guaranteed money split over longer years so we take a cap hit in like 2027 for a RB is smart?
Probably not, but its not because I expect SB to fall off a cliff.
Selective reading. Guaranteeing a whole contract for a RB is insane. Barkley has been injured most of his career already. The point is simple, don't mortgaging the future for a win now type of player.