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Brandon Aiyuk for the #25 pick - should we speak it into

BlackLight : 1/24/2023 3:49 pm
existence?

Dan Schneier has been beating this drum for a few weeks. Aiyuk is under contract for at least one more season with less than a $4 million cap hit. Under normal circumstances, San Fran would exercise his 5th year option after this season, and his 2024 salary would jump to about $14 million.

The 49ers projected 2023 cap space is about $14 million, but that's with only 35 guys under contract. Purdy will likely keep making $7.75/hr for at least another season, but one wouldn't be crazy to think that San Francisco will be looking to dump some salary.

One unique wrinkle is that San Francisco doesn't have any 2023 draft picks scheduled before the 3rd round. Working against this is that 2024 cap is likely to make a significant jump, so San Fran might simply choose to tread water for a year and wait for things to open up after next season.

If I'm San Fran's GM, I probably wouldn't part with Aiyuk for anything short of a Godfather offer - taking weapons off the table with a QB like Purdy doesn't seem like a great move. Still, I love the idea of Aiyuk catching passes from DJ. So should we get a prayer circle going?

Aiuk doesn't run the full route tree  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/24/2023 3:51 pm : link
And was in shannahan's doghouse to start the season last year for being lackadaisical on his routes. I'm not giving up a 5 yr cost controlled asset for aiuk...for our 2nd rdr, sure
Stop fooling yourselves  
blueblood : 1/24/2023 3:54 pm : link
Why the hell would San Fran trade away a cost controlled WR who doesnt become a FA until 2025. And dont tell me that wont be able to sign him. They have TWO QBs on rookie deals.
Brandon Aiyuk is a nice piece to think about but  
chick310 : 1/24/2023 3:55 pm : link
not worth the #25 overall pick.

Consider a late Day 2 pick though.

I think Aiyuk is worth #25 if you can get him  
Producer : 1/24/2023 3:56 pm : link
but I doubt they are trading.
How about Davonte Adams for that #25 and a sweetner?  
GiantBlue : 1/24/2023 3:56 pm : link
Am I crazy? He would be a big upgrade out there.

Too expensive?
RE: Brandon Aiyuk is a nice piece to think about but  
Producer : 1/24/2023 3:56 pm : link
In comment 16012516 chick310 said:
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not worth the #25 overall pick.

Consider a late Day 2 pick though.


He's at least a first.
I've heard this thrown around a lot  
Biteymax22 : 1/24/2023 3:57 pm : link
But the one thought that keeps coming into my mind is that San Francisco has to feel like they're within their "window" and will likely try and hang on to as much talent as they can for the next few years.
I keep asking this  
djm : 1/24/2023 3:57 pm : link
why are the niners trading him? He's cheap for another year and he's their best pure WR. They are in win now mode.
No  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/24/2023 3:57 pm : link
Aiyuk is not a No. 1 receiver, he’s a solid No. 2.
RE: RE: Brandon Aiyuk is a nice piece to think about but  
chick310 : 1/24/2023 4:02 pm : link
In comment 16012521 Producer said:
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In comment 16012516 chick310 said:


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not worth the #25 overall pick.

Consider a late Day 2 pick though.




He's at least a first.


There were like 35-40 WRs that went over 800+ yards last year in the NFL. College is spitting out good WRs these days like they were RBs of prior decades.

Aiyuk is solid starting WR but first round picks are gold.
RE: Stop fooling yourselves  
BlackLight : 1/24/2023 4:03 pm : link
In comment 16012514 blueblood said:
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Why the hell would San Fran trade away a cost controlled WR who doesnt become a FA until 2025. And dont tell me that wont be able to sign him. They have TWO QBs on rookie deals.


I grant you that it's not terribly likely, but the answer to your question is, you trade him away to get another cost-controlled asset for the next four years.
RE: I keep asking this  
chick310 : 1/24/2023 4:07 pm : link
In comment 16012523 djm said:
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why are the niners trading him? He's cheap for another year and he's their best pure WR. They are in win now mode.


Because they want more picks, are confident in their drafting abilities, and can replace him with the heavy supply of WRs coming out of the college ranks.

I presume.
We can  
Straw Hat : 1/24/2023 4:07 pm : link
Probably draft a wr with a higher ceiling than aiyuk with that pick.
Looks good on paper  
Chocco : 1/24/2023 4:08 pm : link
But tends to absolutely disappear sometimes. I am not sure that's what you want from a #1 receiver and for your first round pick.
no  
mdthedream : 1/24/2023 4:09 pm : link
we need better
RE: Stop fooling yourselves  
Matt M. : 1/24/2023 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16012514 blueblood said:
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Why the hell would San Fran trade away a cost controlled WR who doesnt become a FA until 2025. And dont tell me that wont be able to sign him. They have TWO QBs on rookie deals.
And a 3rd who's not.
no way  
JerrysKids : 1/24/2023 4:27 pm : link
pass
I don't understand this.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/24/2023 4:28 pm : link
We saw the talent discrepancy between us and Philly. We can't/shouldn't be using multiple assets to be filling one position. We aren't in the position Philly was last year when getting AJ Brown. For them it made perfect sense. It doesn't make sense for us with where we are at.
RE: Stop fooling yourselves  
bw in dc : 1/24/2023 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16012514 blueblood said:
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Why the hell would San Fran trade away a cost controlled WR who doesnt become a FA until 2025. And dont tell me that wont be able to sign him. They have TWO QBs on rookie deals.


Purdy's contract: 4yrs/$3.7M, $77K guaranteed. Just think about that...

Unbelievable.
No. Absolutely not  
BillT : 1/24/2023 4:30 pm : link
This is how you screw up your salary cap. Giving up high value cost controlled players for vets on their 2nd contracts. Bad roster building 101.
RE: How about Davonte Adams for that #25 and a sweetner?  
Kmed6000 : 1/24/2023 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16012520 GiantBlue said:
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Am I crazy? He would be a big upgrade out there.

Too expensive?


The Raiders would take a massive dead cap hit trading Adams already.
you're not going to get good cheap players from good teams  
djm : 1/24/2023 4:35 pm : link
think more along the lines of bad teams looking to clean the books. Think teams that went all in and shit the bed this past season. And target the vet that can still play who is making a lot of loot.

Raiders
Wash
Saints
Browns
Colts
etc etc
RE: you're not going to get good cheap players from good teams  
robbieballs2003 : 1/24/2023 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16012584 djm said:
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think more along the lines of bad teams looking to clean the books. Think teams that went all in and shit the bed this past season. And target the vet that can still play who is making a lot of loot.

Raiders
Wash
Saints
Browns
Colts
etc etc


Doug, so you are saying we look at the mistakes that these teams made and make the same mistakes?
If there was someone...  
Ryan : 1/24/2023 5:08 pm : link
...I would ask about in a trade it would be Tee Higgins. Going into the last year of a 2nd round rookie deal and the Bengals are going to end up paying Chase $20M/y after next year sometime.

But I still probably wouldn't do it because he will command (deservedly so) #1 WR money and with all the holes we have and how quickly this year's cap space will disappear I don't want to give away assets that could acquire 2 premium players.
I'd rather have the guy Schoen is going to pick at #25  
widmerseyebrow : 1/24/2023 5:10 pm : link
Cost controlled for 4-5 years.
No  
jeff57 : 1/24/2023 5:44 pm : link
.
AJ Brown was obtained for the  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/24/2023 5:58 pm : link

18th pick and the 101st. (1st and 3rd).

Marquis Brown (and a 3rd rounder) was obtained for the 23rd pick in the draft.


I would not be against trying to pull off a trade like this for a Tee Higgins. Tee is in the exact same position as AJ Brown was last year and the Bengals have to pay Burrow and Chase, max contracts.
I'm not giving up a 1st  
pjcas18 : 1/24/2023 6:05 pm : link
for Aiyuk. Giants have some overlap with Robinson. even though Aiyuk can be the X, but I think of him more as a slot with gadget potential.

I'd look into the next rung of WR's and try and get someone like Denzel Mims.

Mims should cost a lot less than Aiyuk and it seemed like he couldn't get on the field, but he is a big body, seems like he has talent and not sure the Giants have had a real big body WR since Plaxico.

Be wary  
Sammo85 : 1/24/2023 6:07 pm : link
of trading for secondary options and pieces of offenses that run through or on other players. Aiyuk is option 4 on that offense.
Aiyuk is a very good WR. Wehn Deebo went down he really picked up  
PatersonPlank : 1/24/2023 6:11 pm : link
the slack. I don't know why some people think he doesn't run all the routes, he can do everything (including run the ball) from what I can see. He's like a little-Deebo
RE: No  
bradshaw44 : 1/24/2023 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16012524 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Aiyuk is not a No. 1 receiver, he’s a solid No. 2.


Yup. Do not give up a number 1 pick for a number 2 wide out.
RE: AJ Brown was obtained for the  
bradshaw44 : 1/24/2023 6:35 pm : link
In comment 16012693 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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18th pick and the 101st. (1st and 3rd).

Marquis Brown (and a 3rd rounder) was obtained for the 23rd pick in the draft.


I would not be against trying to pull off a trade like this for a Tee Higgins. Tee is in the exact same position as AJ Brown was last year and the Bengals have to pay Burrow and Chase, max contracts.



Higgins absolutely. He’s a number one stuck behind Chase. Def worth it. Get him and draft a receiver high. Then we are set.
The guy  
Dave on the UWS : 1/24/2023 6:50 pm : link
you go after is Tee Higgins of the Bengals. Only 25, 1000 yard receiver. FA after next year. I would give up the 25th for him for sure. They will pay Chaise and will need to trade Tee.
RE: Brandon Aiyuk is a nice piece to think about but  
81_Great_Dane : 1/24/2023 6:52 pm : link
In comment 16012516 chick310 said:
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not worth the #25 overall pick.

Consider a late Day 2 pick though.
This.

Not worth a first. Maybe a third or a late second.
RE: Aiyuk is a very good WR. Wehn Deebo went down he really picked up  
Producer : 1/24/2023 6:55 pm : link
In comment 16012706 PatersonPlank said:
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the slack. I don't know why some people think he doesn't run all the routes, he can do everything (including run the ball) from what I can see. He's like a little-Deebo


You are correct. He has #1 talent and has shown he can do it. Well worth #25.
Some of you guys are hilarious  
Producer : 1/24/2023 6:59 pm : link
The same guys complaining Jones has no weapons and we must wait until we see him with great talent, don't want to spend anything to add top talent. When are we going to add talent? When he's washed up?

Aiyuk can be a top guy.
No  
eric2425ny : 1/24/2023 8:26 pm : link
Aiyuk is overrated. I’d rather draft a 3rd round WR than trade for him.
RE: The guy  
lax counsel : 1/24/2023 10:56 pm : link
In comment 16012734 Dave on the UWS said:
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you go after is Tee Higgins of the Bengals. Only 25, 1000 yard receiver. FA after next year. I would give up the 25th for him for sure. They will pay Chaise and will need to trade Tee.


This is the guy I would want as well. He is a true #1 and ready to really emerge. Could be like Burress was to Eli for Jones.
RE: The guy  
NYG07 : 1/24/2023 11:32 pm : link
In comment 16012734 Dave on the UWS said:
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you go after is Tee Higgins of the Bengals. Only 25, 1000 yard receiver. FA after next year. I would give up the 25th for him for sure. They will pay Chaise and will need to trade Tee.


That would certainly be great for Jones and the offense. The problem is that they won't be able to sign him for less than $20M a year and it will probably be more like $25M/year.

The Eagles were able to trade for and extend Brown because of Hurts' cheap contract. They went all in on this year and it looks like it may pan out for them.

If the Giants do stupidly give Jones $40M a year, and add Higgins for $25M, when you factor in expensive upcoming extensions for Lawrence, Thomas, and McKinnie, and a Leo extension, you are talking about committing half of your cap to 5-6 players. This is with letting Barkley walk as well. Not good.

The time to trade for an established, elite receiver was 2020. It has to be a draft pick if Jones is getting paid.
Why would San Fran do this  
Breeze_94 : 1/25/2023 12:59 am : link
they are in good enough cap health, built to win, and really have NOTHING at WR after Aiyuk.

Dan Schnieir or W/E his name is is just a fan who likes to speculate - and it seems like he's latched on to this pipe dream. I like Aiyuk as a player too, but he's not a realistic option for the Giants.
A first  
3rdnlong : 1/25/2023 3:10 am : link
For Higgins? Yes absolutely (probably will cost more)
Aiyuk? Pass.
Give me Tee Higgins instead.  
GiAnT4LYFE : 1/25/2023 4:56 am : link
An absolute #1 WR if we are moving pick 25. He is a stud. Cinci won’t be able to allocate the money that he and Jamar will command.
Pass  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/25/2023 7:47 am : link
On trading our first pick
No  
Sean : 1/25/2023 7:50 am : link
.
Having a QB on a rookie deal  
pjcas18 : 1/25/2023 8:20 am : link
allow a ton of flexibility.

it's at least partly why:

MIA was able to add Tyreek Hill
PHI was able to add AJ Brown
BUF was able to add Stefon Diggs
ARI was able to add Deandre Hopkins

You can accelerate the big chunks of guaranteed cap into the years when you are paying your QB below market.

In 2024 when Murray's deal kicks in, the Cardinals will be paying Murray and Hopkins (as it stands now) a combined $76M on the cap, lol. That's over a 3rd of your cap on two players (based on 2022 cap). Same thing BUF will face in 2025 (obviously without another pandemic the cap should increase and of course teams can restructure, etc.).

You see how teams struggle otherwise too without a rookie QB:
LAR adding Davante Adams, for example

of course there are other factors, but that is how I view it - others are right - the time to do this isn't now.

Draft a WR or look at the next tier of WR below the elite.
Good post pj  
chick310 : 1/25/2023 8:22 am : link
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RE: Having a QB on a rookie deal  
section125 : 1/25/2023 8:26 am : link
In comment 16013111 pjcas18 said:
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of course there are other factors, but that is how I view it - others are right - the time to do this isn't now.

Draft a WR or look at the next tier of WR below the elite.


Thank you and well put.
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